In console war rhetoric, everyone thinks their side is winning. And the truth is… They’re right.
Yah ps5 is killing it this gen. Great games. The best controller and 3D audio. Microsoft has had such a bad start there are still scarcely any exclusives out and they aren’t even leading in head to heads either. Ps5 is the better console and will absolutely have the better games all gen.
Still selling great with no exclusives. Even sold more than the PS last month(in the U.S). As far as games goes MS has teams and hiring some of the best game devs around so they could be even, or comparable quality wise through out the gen.
@lightning new xbox fan argument "lineup so awful yet people are still buying the console" lol. Truth is Microsoft sold what 45-50 million consoles last gen (no one knows really cause they keep those numbers hidden) without releasing one noteworthy game at all. They obviously have a dedicated group of fans who will stick by them no matter what.
@derek "lineup so awful yet people are still buying the console" I mean they are, it's not an argument. Selling better than the 360 in which ppl here swore that the X Series will sale worse than the X1 actually. Imagine once these games do release. Infinite and Horizon 5 this fall. Cross fire X, Stalker 2 that spring, War hammer Dark Tide, Redfall in the summer then Starfield. The games start this fall going on full momentum in 2022.
@derek I went to look back over the XBO generation, and you're scarily right. Gears 5 was the only First Party game they had that really stood out as quality and at least graphically / performance-wise moving their studios forward, and that's scary and shocking (Maybe Master Chief Collection years after launch). Add in 3rd party and there was Forza Horizon (3rd party at the time), because most of the other big titles went multiplat like Ori, Cuphead. https://www.gematsu.com/exc...
Lightning, PS5 is the fastest selling PS in spite of the pandemic and shortages. That says a lot about how much ppl want it, with games or not.
@lightning77 "Even sold more than the PS last month" Press X to doubt, all the sources I read said that Xbox was the best selling Unit/Dollar. But that doesn't mean it sold more, as even the Switch sold more units. So if the Xbox came first on the unit-dollar, comparison, but was still outsold by the Switch then there is a chance the PS5 still outsold it. But no one seems to be reporting actual numbers so guess we will never know.
@Lightning77 No microsoft did not sell more conoles than Sony last month. Microsoft's hardware revenue was higher because of the release of new controllers, that sell well to PC and Xbox gamers. Sony still sold quite a few more PS5's than Microsoft sold Xbox Series x.
I do agree PS5 is currently leading XB. And what you said about why is also true. But, neither are killing it for games yet. They both are starting the generation with very little new. The only real new IP by either as of the end of the year for first parties is returnal. And returnal is a solid game, it is no GOTY for me. To me it is sad that we are 9 months into the Gen and all we've really seen is more sackboy, Demon's Souls, Spider-man, R&C, gears, and sea of thieves. And all we will see for rest of the year is more Horizon, Halo, and Forza Horizon. LOL. This holiday looks bleaker then last holiday. And I thought last holiday was bleak with remakes, full story expansions, and a lack of great new IPs.
I thought Flamebait headlines were sooo pre-covid. Guess not.
Better to show games until the end of the year, rather than constantly telling which console is selling more units. A relatively pointless argument.
@derek It is bizarre, half the time Xbox fans online act more like shareholders than gamers. Maybe they are? Lol, who knows? Furthermore, they often mislead to make a point. Pointing out Xbox beating PS5 in the USA is like pointing out that American football is more popular in the US than soccer, lol. It's even more absurd than this though when you factor in the hardware shortages, and the obvious point about Sony needing to spread their supply thinner due to global demand, whereas Xbox doesn't have to worry so much about global demand, allowing them to meet demand domestically more efficiently. Not to mention things that other commenters are pointing out in this thread that I didn't know about. The lengths people will go to spin the truth is silly. If your product is really as popular as you say it is, then why go to such great lengths to convince everyone? Surely it's obvious? To be fair, Sony has plenty of zealots of well, but they don't often come in this variety for obvious reasons.
@Lightning I believe that was a marketing ploy by MS where people assumed more dollar meant more consoles sold.
They said the same thing about the xbox one, remember? How that go🤔 https://www.vg247.com/2014/...
Lightning Didn't flight sim just come out?
The question should be will Xbox ever have a good generation start? Please don’t say 360 as it was plagued by RROD and took the rumor of the U.S.A government issuing of a recall for them to do something about it in the form of free repair
Ps5 is stomping Xbox in every single way.
The Playstation brand has always been about quality and variety of games. Xbox has always been about FPS and forward thinking technology (they are mainly a PC company). Nintendo just creates their brand of games with their unique consoles. Playstation will continue winning because they have grown some of the best studios to make some of the best games. The hardware is fantastic as well Xbox will win because they are supported by the second biggest company in the world. They have their cloud and by transitioning games to the cloud, it helps build their future. Nintendo is the Disney of video games. They generally recycle a lot of content and people want it. They move franchises forward. When they create a new IP, it's a big deal and will probably be a hit (look at ring fit, wowza on the sales).
Oh, yeeeees! Remember all those post about PS4 being a success because the competition was weak? MS shot themselves in the foot and the Wii U was a flop, ect... But but this time it will be different because the competition is better. Game pass is the best value in gaming and will disrupt the market and so forth. Yeah, that didn't age well. PS5 is selling better than the PS4 even with "stronger competition" and at a higher price point.
It's pretty brutal. Xbox feels more and more niche, but not for the right reasons. The PS5 lead is particularly impressive so early in the generation and especially being against combined sales figures of the cheapo Series S and premium-priced X.
Playstation beatiing Xbox as always , since every generation . what's new ?
Xbox really got lucky when Sony botched the PS3 release, not sure they would have even gotten their foot in the door if Sony had nailed that launch.
One and done.
It’s crushing it into paste
on the one hand, Sony has been such a dominating force to be reckoned with since their debut in the late 90's. sure they stumble a bit here and there but they always came back stronger than before. on the other hand, you got MS. Nobody expected them to last as long as they did and despite having ego problems and questionable leadership from time to time... they too have been one to keep getting up despite being knocked down. When you see a situation like that, you cant help but give some respect to the under dog. For they could just turn tail and run but it takes some balls to get back up and face the opposition. Win/lose doesnt matter... but im seeing more people looking at MS with more respect for standing their ground instead of folding like other companies have done in the past. they may not buy into the platform, but at least they respect it more for not giving up.
It's weird because I was originally a Nintendo fan who migrated to Xbox, and ended up a playstation fan after my 360 RROD'd. I wanted Microsoft to succeed, and still do to an extent but I can't reconcile with the arrogance, shallow promises, and lack of commitment to diversity, quality, ideas and customers. At this point I don't see them as underdogs at all more like entitled and too big to fail.
They like the console space. They know it's an area full of potential and growth. With all their money they're not gonna just abandon it. For me as a console they've already failed this new gen. Xbox series S is an insult to gamers. A couple of reasons why. 1. It's not a huge step from Xbox one x. So there is no reason to not allow Xbox one x to play next gen games of the series s can do it. An insult to the people that purchased xonex especially after the claims that this was the console for you that they hard you etc...all that for like a few years later becoming obsolete. 2. Why only digital...series s and x are essentially 2 completely different consoles. They should both have a digital and physical disc option. Why not? Because the 300$ is meant to entice gamers towards a digital only future and grab them by the balls with gamepass. As I said. An insult and anticonsumer.
"...entitled and too big to fail." - you just described Sony in a nutshell in terms of the game market.
Lack of diversity? They have FPS, RTS, Puzzles, Platformers, Sports, and RPGs Quality I disagree. Arrogance? They have a controller built specifically for special needs gamers, the have an affordable monthly gaming subscription, their games are on PC. You just sound angry.
The only reason ms has survived the console wars till now is because they have the money to do so. Any other company would have gone bankrupt by now.
@killbill How is Sony entitled? Especially when they have been giving the Ps gamers what they ask for. Which is exclusive single player AAA games and new ips. Clearly, you don't know sh*t about playstation.
@343_Guilty_Spark Arrogance is not the same as accessibility, wtf are you talking about with that controller comment? Affordable game pass subscription? Wut?
@TheDoomedGuy "2. Why only digital...series s and x are essentially 2 completely different consoles. They should both have a digital and physical disc option. Why not? Because the 300$ is meant to entice gamers towards a digital only future and grab them by the balls with gamepass. As I said. An insult and anticonsumer." Nah, a digital console is nowhere near anti-consumer, that would make the steam handheld, and the PS5DE also anti-consumer right? And how in N4G's name is it an insult to gamers? I'm a gamer and i am not insulted, i just bought the Series X lol. The Series S is aimed at an entry-level crowd, which in all honesty is very very small, hence why there are still available more or less anywhere.
@oldenjon "and lack of commitment to diversity, quality, ideas and customers." Come off it fella, they have 1) released a controller for special needs gamers 2) all games are available across multiple platforms 3) have a more diverse genre lineup than any opposition "At this point I don't see them as underdogs at all more like entitled and too big to fail." No one is too big to fail
Late 90s? The PS1 came out in '94
I think you mixed up your analogy. Sony is absolutely the underdog in the gaming space. Microsoft is the rich kid who doesn’t understand why they aren’t winning as they’ve always been given everything in life.
1994 is not the late 90s just saying
This comment is hilarious 😁 so Microsoft didn't try to do this back in the early 2000s 🤔
If we're being honest its been far less about "balls" with MS and much more about money, specifically how much they have to throw around that's kept them in the console gaming space.
Every platform has an area they perform very well in
simple - hardware = SONY software = XBOX
Hmmm flight simulator (freeby since it's coming out in two weeks) and the medium VS. Demon's Souls Returnal Miles Morales Ratchet & Clank FF7R Intergrade..... You know, I think you might be onto something.
lol, nah hardware = both software = Sony
Bored of all this. Multiple articles dissecting estimated weekly sales in the hopes of getting clicks. Let's revisit this idea in ten years time and we'll see who came out on top. For now what's the point.
It keeps Microsoft relevant. Any press is good press because it creates traffic. This is marketing 101 Microsoft is the king of marketing. They spend so much in market research that your jaw would hit the ground. Microsoft creates the perception of being valid in anything they chase after. Zune with no connections to music, cell phones with only pushing os systems, gaming while not really being a gaming company… Everything they do, they push via clickbait articles because it creates noise regardless. Noise creates traffic.
The best thing to do is to ignore the console war and buy all 3 - then you are truly winning as a gamer.
Or be a smart consumer and see what you actually need. No reason to get all 3 yet.
That’s subjective (as is my advice). I have a reason to buy/own all 3 today, but haven’t managed to find all 3 unfortunately.
If you are rich and a core gamer then yes but the real truth is you actually need only one console (pick the one you like) simply because there's already too much content to play on any console. Honestly how many games are in your backlog? Now you also spent ridiculous numbers of hours into the game? I spent over 120 hours in Dragon Quest 11, Still playing DEAD by Daylight, Start playing Yakuza into the Dragon but I still want to play (name the several games that I have bought but I have yet to try). So yeah I'm a big game freak (like the majority here) and want to buy all systems (and like usual will probably own them all despite what I'm saying) but just my Ps+ library and current Ps4 Library would allow me to try new games that have yet play for the next 2 years. The sad part is I can say exactly the same thing about my PC steam Library (and let's not forget that Epic gave me 150+ free games) and the same apply to my Xbox library as well.
Wow...for the next 2 years. Yah I dont really have a backlog. I have a current list and then a maybe list. The current list is games out now that I want to play...usually its no more than 5. The maybe list is mediocre to good games I never got around to playing. Usually around 5 as well. I was behind with last gen up until recently and now all I have to look forward to are recent and new releases.
Personally for me buying all 3 is a waste of money. I don't need an XB because it doesn't have any exclusives that I find interesting to play & I'll say the same about the Switch. The Playstation platform & its consoles have always satisfied my gaming needs especially with their exclusives & so far I feel the same way about the PS5. One console is all I need.
Geez I just got it and I got all the games I want to play on it. Racthet Demons Souls Returnal Sackboy Miles Morales. Yea I know 2 of those are also on the ps4 but i sold it to get the ps5.
PS5, Steam Deck and Playdate?
Actually yeah. Totally subjective but being a smart consumer is about seeing what you need. Your advice wasnt subjective. You said the best thing to do is ignore the supposed war and buy all 3 and thats how you win as a gamer. You also assume all are necessary to "win" but you dont need all. You most definitely dont really "need" an xbox. You could go xbox or PC and play the same games.
yes, and quite easily, dare I say. No matter what people like Tim dog say, Ps5 is dominating atm... but maybe that will change, who knows... very unlikely, but still...
No...you can't bring up truth and claim both are right. You can have opinions in terms of the console you prefer ...but when it comes to the console war which is referring to the best platform with the best games...that's playstation for now. It has been for a while otherwise it wouldn't dominate the home console space. However, with the recent acquisitions it may become more balanced. Especially because of the big titles Microsoft bought. And even if Microsoft gets new big hits and assuming they gain any ground in PlayStation...playstation will still carry more respect because they nurtured and maintained their studios. They didn't buy studios full of popular and heavy hitting IPs. Exception for insomniac but they were already making exclusives non stop and you can tell they regretted sunset overdrive. Although I do think it paved the way for their advances in platforming that helped spiderman and ratchet.
The Ps5 probably gonna dominate this gen like the ps4 did last gen.
Xobox lost last gen. and hasn't even come close since. It's not a rivalry when one side always wins.
Lost what exactly?
Mindshare and gamer faith. Marketshare and the ability to compete with usp's
You know what and asking disingenuously doesn't change the fact. Funny how so many shouted from the roof tops when 360 was dominating but now all of a sudden people want to conveniently act like none of this matters now. 'The Wood' explained it fairly well.
Ps5 is doing phenomenal Xbox is pushing their games to as many platforms as possible and going gangbusters with the acquisitions trying to take popular franchises out if the hands of fans unless they play on a Xbox because they know they have struggled to compete since the PPS3 So as a ps5 and PC player it's a big win for me.
That quote from the article sums it up “A lot of consumers seem to think it’s like Call of Duty, where teams fight it out and only one emerges victorious. But really it’s more like Civilization, where there are numerous different win conditions.”
I feel like Sony may be the in-between of Xbox and Nintendo, or very much already there. I'm somewhat confident Xbox Series X this gen will have slightly better performing third party titles once its development ecosystem is fleshed out. Won't be anything as big as ps3/360 or Ps4/One though. Nintendo, as always will kill it with their exclusives that can't be beat or found anywhere else - drawing an audience that is stable and loyal. Sony, already have paved the path to have what Nintendo have been succeeding on - in their own way. It's a draw card and will always define solid sales as long as the product is good enough. On the other hand, the third party side of things will perform 80-90% as good as series X, but with (currently) more players (matters for multiplayer) in their ecosystem - so will maintain the 3rd party audience also. Every option has some really good plusses, but Sony is for the safe bet going forward.
Same here. Sony has the best of both worlds imo. Great exclusives and great third party support. Meanwhile Nintendo is lacking in third party support and MS is lacking in exlusives.
Sony is selling more units but is disappointing in several of their decisions. I would like they to hear more from people who actually buy PlayStation.