xbox had a super aggressive strategy, the fight was about the exclusive games or content.. Japan was a high priority for them as well.. 360 really pulled a good fight, and made ps3 the amazing console it is.
WTF, online play was available on dreamcast… Sony spent so much time copying that they got inspired from GwG to create ps+? How about free online on ps3? It got better overtime but call it copying is fanboy
Xbox pushed out a lot of great games and new IP during the 360 era. It wasn't just Halo, Gears, and Forza. A lot of features and concepts that are standard today started with the 360.
They bought the exclusives… When Sony finally got into the gen and fought back… Microsoft’s true offerings started to stand out. They did not get “arrogant”.. they did not make games. Still evident today.
Without the activision cod exclusive deals when it was huge, ea’s mass effect & gears.. they would not have had the same effect commercially.
@porkChop Not to mention RROD. People don't talk about it much anymore but it was a pretty big deal. My console fell just outside the extended warranty when it RRODed and I tried to fix it myself but only lasted a few weeks. Instead of buying another 360, I bought PS3 and I've been a playstation gamer ever since. I'm sure this is the case for a lot of other people as well.
The 1 year head start was both necessary and strategic. Necessary in the sense that their talks with Nividia over continued chip supplies for the og xbox had fizzled out (thus leading to its quick demise) and strategic in the sense that they could show off what the HD era was capable of to court developers and publishers away from Sony's grasp.
It also helped that being easier to develop for is something many devs recall as the selling point from the previous gen (saturn vs ps1).
@keon both Blu-ray and hdmi was already on the market when PS3 released it was a diodite production problem that cost the delay and Microsoft took advantage of it offering big incentives to developers to ether go full exclusive (gears) or timed exclusive ( mass effect) but we all know how it would turn out if they released at the same time regardless of PS3 been harder to develop for.
@ darth 😂 necessary and strategic 🤦🏿 was you part of the secret Microsoft envidia and the Blu-ray diodite manufacturers to delay the PS3? 😂
Yes... remember that initially PS3 was designed with two CELL processors for almost everything... but Sony had to redesign it and substitute one with an NVIDIA GPU, so developers could understand the architecture earlier... PS3 also had two HDMI ports... Microsoft saw clearly they had to fight with games, not with what Sony really were good at... multimedia. Does this sound to you? Microsoft fiasco with Xbox One, for example.
It was. It's unbelievable that they relied on both over 2 decades. But I always forget Microsoft has money to stay in the game industry regardless if their exclusives fail
Those games were the shit when they first came out. My knock is that Xbox has relied on bi-yearly sequel’s to those games way too much. I feel that PC developers are more comfortable with the Xbox/X new architecture and we will see not necessarily new games but games we wouldn’t see on consoles finally come to fruition. Microsoft flight simulator comes to mind when I think like this. I want to want an Xbox, but they need to sell me on it. The last generation felt kind of blah for Xbox. Perhaps the edition of developers like Bethesda can help the brand
No at launch they had ghost recon advanced warfighter, Oblivion , condemned criminal origins, perfect dark, Kameo. project Gotham racing, geometry wars, a good EA boxing game, madden and cod 2 that matched the pc graphics that was enough for the first 3 months .
Don matrick because I like Phil he had the balls and the know how to compete with Sony and Nintendo. Xbox fanboys hate him but under him is the only time Xbox brand actually stayed on level footing with PlayStation. He understood it took exclusive games, times exclusive games or content and exclusive marketing deals
Xbox almost completely collapsed under Don Matrick because of bad decisions coming into last gen.
Xbox one was almost cancelled before it even launched. The only reason xbox is still around is because Phil Spencer took over and convinced MS to let him give it one last chance.
Really that's a bit of a overreaction don't you think? What he said about buy a Xbox360 if you can't connect to net was a bad statement but at no time was Xbox one about to get cancelled I don't think
What has Phil done? If you look at what don matrick announced for Xbox one, Phil has implemented almost everything but now more so under the radar and with praise from gamers while talking from both sides of his mouth. You do know it was only because of don matrick Xbox 360 was as successful as it was right? Because if it wasn't why hasn't the Xbox brand ever become as impactful ever since
Phil has gotten a free pass for almost 10 years now and he has yet to deliver. He talks a lot and for some reason that seems to be good enough for a lot of Xbox fans. They are so far behind playstation now that they even stopped releasing sales data(something they couldn't stop doing during Xbox360 days) Phil has been there a while even when don matrick was in charge so let's not act like Phil had no say with Xbox one because he was pretty high up in the food chain when it came to Xbox even back around 360 days
If we are talking about competition than Xbox 360 vs ps3 was the best time for being a gamer. Just look at some of these games franchises man. This is why it stinks now. Yes as a playstation gamer Sony makes amazing games but I believe they could do better and have more diverse lineup if Xbox was pushing and competing with them. No hate as a gamer ps3-xbox360 era was pure gold
Mgs 4 Peace walker Mgs hd collection Uncharted Halo 3 Forza Fable Killzone 2 Resistance Bioshock Mass effect RDR Skyrim GTA5 Fallout 3 Fallout new Vegas Orange box Portal 2 Gears of war Left for dead Alan wake Farcry 2-3 Dead space Borderlands The last of us God of war 3 Journey Demon souls Heavy rain Infamous Ratchet and clank Prototype Rayman Army of 2 Assassin's Creed
Everything that set up the 360 to have success was w/ Peter Moore. When Don's contributions were felt, it was the second half of the 360, and the launch of the One. A/k/a the worst period in the brand's existence.
The missteps and screwups he oversaw damn near killed the entire brand. That's a undisputed fact. But worst of all, he did the same as his predecessors and failed to look at the long term.
Timed deals, marketing deals, and motion control fads. All short term BS.
You want to know why Spencer gets credit? Compare June 2013 to June 2021.
I know his very existence triggers you "neutral" gamers to no end, but objectively, he's had the biggest impact on the Xbox brand. He's also somehow managed to do what old Donny and others couldn't: Convince 2 trillion dollar MS to finally invest in what it should have been doing all along.
You do realize that you can lose the fight but still win the crowd... right? And that is what the 360 did. It won over millions of gamers and took more market share away from Sony than Sega or Nintendo ever did.
How do you know that the 360 took more of the market share from sony than nintendo? The wii sold more than anything, therefore it would be logical to assume that nintendo took more than ms did, but then again, each gen is a restart on market share, you don't bring the last gen market share with you into the next, no company has ever added a previous gens marketshare to their next.
Is the best Xbox console I own because it had great games. Since then Xbox has been a huge disappointment to me imo. Will wait for more games before I consider a series X down the road.
XB360 had some great titles on it but I didn't find it amazing when it carved up discs or when it red ringed. The XB360 is my least favorite console just for those two issues alone. I had 2 disc carvers and 2 red rings I finally said screw it and sold my XB360. My uncle gave me his old 360 and I haven't even turned it on since 2016 even after swapping out the thermal paste on it.
Never had the disc issue, I'd heard it was something akin to moving the system when the disc was spinning or standing it up if it was lying down (again, while the disc was spinning).
As for RRoD, only one system of mine got that. It was my Nov 05 Pro and it didnt develop the issue until 07. And by that time the free repair program was in place so it didnt cost me anything. It also helped that I had bought the black elite when it came out (as that was my start to collecting variants). So i wasnt without a system to play while it was being fixed. I feel for those who chose not to go the free repair route and instead buy another but... to each their own.
Telling the true about the disaster that was RRoD and disc carving and MS willfuly try to deny it and putting the blame on the gamers gives you 16 downvotes....some people are still in denail.
Everyone knows it was a disaster but man did I love it anyway.
I thought I was lucky and skating for 3 years until my first console finally ringed. From there it was a string of bad consoles up until the "Elite" unit I believe.
For the first year it was, because it was the newest console and people had already invested in it. After other consoles came out it turned out to be the worst investment. They needed Sony's second hand games to build their library. By the time PS3 came out Xbox was set up to be 20 years behind.
Playing catch up? With HDMI, bluray, SPDIF and wifi in the original version, unlike the xbox that didn't get any of those until the elite version 2 years later, and the failed HD DVD later on. The 360 wasn't even designed as an HD console, you can tell by some of the stupid chip design decisions, as well as lacking any form of digital output.
I recall how people were saying HD wasn't going to get mass adoption for many years. But they were of course wrong. But Sony being a major manufacturer of TVs had a much better idea of how fast HD prices would drop and so how fast HD TVs would become mainstream
@kneon Sure, PS3 was a great box for movie watchers - which is not me. Heck, I didn't even have a TV that supported HDMI until far into the generation.
Sony were constantly playing catch up in terms of actual gaming functionality on the box though (the things that matter), we didn't even get in-game XMB, party chat, trophies, etc. for ages. Lots of games performed worse too.
Sony overtook Microsoft despite all these things i see guys listing. You dont overtake a console without doing something better and sony released more compelling games over the gen without the drastic fall off the 360 suffered when ms got complacent and lazy. Sony pushed through and that carried over to the ps4. Microsoft was doing smart deals at the start and understood the power of exclusive content and deals with 3rd parties.... sony had to do more to catch up after the delay. That 7 to 10 million deficit got eaten up ...why....games...sony didn't drop off
I think you got it backwards as it Sony that was behind and was playing catch up and trying to emulate Xbox in terms of software and here's proof of it:
"Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."
"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."
As we now know, the game that ND was specifically looking at was Gears of War.
And let's not forget that MS had completely changed gaming's landscape with its unified online service and Sony was yet again playing catch up and trying to emulate it with its own online unified service: PSN and the result was a console that was more similar to the original Xbox and the 360 than it was to the PS1 or PS2.
Lol, my PS3 literally collected dust for a year before anything meaningful came out! Name one PS3 launch title that was a killer app?! They even had rappers joking about it in their. Bishop Lamont said, " Boy I aint playin games, this ps3" lol
I mean it came out 1yr before PS3, and in that time had some exclusive bangers, that fire carried on for a good while with exclusives like Ninja Gaiden 2, Condemned, Mass effect, and all their 1st party stuff like fable, halo 3 was huge, gears was a next gen milestone, etc till the kinect, then things just sorta thinned out A LOT.
Not to mention it had an amazing interface and online functionality that hadn't been seen on consoles at the time. I love OG Xbox and early 360 era, after that things just weren't the same tho.
Kinect is definitely what killed the 360 and nearly Xbox altogether. A huge mistake and they almost didnt recover. Sure it got sales, but it was trash always has been and always will be.
Xbox literally turned to crap the day Kinect was announced. Games dried up almost immediately and never recovered. That's a long time for terrible output. I'm glad I'm not the only one that remembers that because no one talks about it.
Halo was exceptionals, Gears of War was literally bold and Forza Horizon did the best racing games formula since then. Unfortunately, Dead Rising became ok game that could been developed much better to something like Dying Light. But it is not. A lot of FPS and shooters is what Xbox is about. RPGs vanished. Lost Odyssey could been great start, but they were uninterested to invet even more of that. Blue Dragon was great classic experience as well. FFXI was amazing addition and bring fans and pros. Such variety brings life to any platform. + alot of Americans were totally biased as well as the journalists.
Now what? A Pirate game, Halo, Gears and Forza. Tbh, I see Series X and that Series S much better combination than single PS5, but it doesn't have any exclusives which doesn't makes any sense, why even releasing new console without exclusives, while PS5 have already variety of exclusives like Returnal (shooter and hardcore), Mile Morales (superhero, story and open world), Demon Souls Remake, Rachet and Clank (platform). Let alone PS5 upgrades from previous PS4 exclusives. And FFXIV. Once Xbox had that, I mean being everybody console, now it is shooter and third party casuals console.
I dont get why people still get mad over people bringing this up. It happened, accept it, i don't know a single person who went through that whole generation on a single 360, in the worst cases i have friends that went through like 4. The failure rate was crap on both consoles that gen when compared to other gens, but 360 was just ridiculous.
I didn't get the rrod, well i did get the red ring but thankfully it didn't die. It was a warning that it was over heating after I put it in the cabinet under the TV stand lol.
The exclusive games you couldn't play anywhere else. Lost oddessy, Forza, project Gotham. First 3 gears of war games, saints row, crackdown, kameo some solid titles. But sadly the exclusives dried up in the final 3 years or so.
They sure did have some freaking BANGERS on the 360! Until Kinect killed the momentum. I wish they would use that Kameo IP, that was actually a pretty great game! Different, but the art was crazy and it had that Rare Nintendo-like charm that MS paid for.
The best thing was how hard they pushed Sony, cuz Sony really brought it in the second half of the gen and that really is what helped propel the PS4 to become the monster it did! Its good to hear Phil say that he is trying to recapture the 360 magic with Series X. Heres hoping!
I hope so I really do as it's good for gaming. I think with Microsoft now owning Bethesda. This would of lit a fire under Sony's arse. I think they will be paying attention to Microsoft now. Just like they did with the PS3. Like you said second half of the PS3 Sony killed it.
For me the interface was fresh, interesting and innovative. Cross chat, having your own music playing while in game, Gamer score, Arcade, top notch controller, face plates, and it had a ton of games. Was a great Console, which I played a majority of my games on.
I LOVED my 360. Although for the life of me I have no idea what that image is on the far right in the thumbnail. I only ever owned (and saw?) the two on the left
360 brought lots of good and new games & franchises, lots of new multiplayer services, and lots of new platform features we take for granted today, like achievements.
In terms of innovation and advancements, nothing since has been even remotely close to being as innovative / moving the industry forward as far as the 360 did.
Halo. The Xbox had minimal storage, no Blu-Ray drive, and charged $5/month for multi-player. The PS3 (especially the slim) was the better console overall. But Xbox had Halo and Halo 3 has the best campaign of any shooter and the best multiplayer at the time.
The thing is... paying for online was not new to the 360 seeing as the introduction of XBL was done already on the og xbox. By the time the 360 came out, it had been refined and improved. When PS3 brought out its online... it had to be free because they could not charge for the very minimal setup they had in place. it would have made them a laughing stock. So Sony opted to keep PS3 play free while also making all the needed back end improvements to their infrastructure.
when they introduced PS+, it was done so to test the waters of 'would people pay if something was offered for their payment?' and their offer was discounts and early access to various games and promotions. It was more of a discount service to start but it had the added bonus of a free game each month. That got MS attention to the point where they too started adding in freebie games to Gold members. The main difference between them is PS+ games are only free for the duration of your membership. Gold games are free to keep even after you cancel your sub (obviously there would be no online multiplayer in those free games).
When the PS4/XBO gen came around, Sony made online play as part of + only (though they still kept it free for PS3 users). People want to complain about MS forcing people to pay to play online but then here comes both Sony and Nintendo doing the same thing. And instead of complain to them as well... people just accept it and pay to play.
It came out 1 year before the PS3 is what made it an amazing console. They also relied on Halo, Gears, and Forza which helped a whole lot
XB360 had some great titles on it but I didn't find it amazing when it carved up discs or when it red ringed. The XB360 is my least favorite console just for those two issues alone. I had 2 disc carvers and 2 red rings I finally said screw it and sold my XB360. My uncle gave me his old 360 and I haven't even turned it on since 2016 even after swapping out the thermal paste on it.
Demos. I bought so many games because I loved the demos. I beat the bioshock demo at least 40 times.
For the first year it was, because it was the newest console and people had already invested in it. After other consoles came out it turned out to be the worst investment. They needed Sony's second hand games to build their library. By the time PS3 came out Xbox was set up to be 20 years behind.