Jim Ryan wants people to know that he doesn't hate old video games.
Most people buy new consoles for new games. All manufactured consoles are selling out rapidly. When the next God Of War, Halo, Forza, Hellblade, Horizon etc etc land these consoles will fly off the shelves even faster.
That doesn’t make classic games irrelevant
It doesn't but that's not why i got a PS5. I keep my old consoles for my old games. Full native BC would be cool but i will always prioritize new games for my new console.
@TheTony316 Old consoles go bad overtime. Some last for over a decade, others barely hold on. Accidents happen as well. It would be nice to know that you retain your purchases as generations move forward, instead of relying on aged hardware that at best you would have to take a chance on something used to replace of anything went wrong.
@Shiken But that applies to all electronics. They can last a very long time if you take care of them. All of my consoles and games still work fine. And if my PS1 dies some day i can just get a used one for ~30€ on Ebay. Again, i wouldn't say no to BC. It's much more convenient to have everything on one system but that's not a priority for me when buying a new console.
@TheTony316 While it certainly is not the only reason, it did play into why I went with the Series X before the PS5 despite always being PS focused in the past. Gamepass with BC together os a killer combo for the value and I am able to experience a lot of what I missed last gen for cheap, often with upgrades. The major Sony exclusives I care about (God of War amd Horizon) will be playable on my PS4 Pro, so I can easily wait for a PS5. Had I been able to consolidate my entire PS library to one console via emulation, something Sony has done before, this would have likely played out differently.
"But that applies to all electronics" And every UHD Blu Ray player can still play DVDs and even CDs. Gamers are conditioned to accept so much less from new platforms than consumers of any other media type/industry...
I'm a huge fan of Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Mario 64, and when I played them it didn't last more than 3 minute. Those are god damn so old, bad ai, bad gameplay for 2021. Sorry give me something better. Thanks
@ Tony Newer consoles can play classic games better than they originally used. Also it’s way more convenient to have one system that plays a lot of those titles than a bunch of systems Plus some people may have missed out on getting the older console before for various reasons and it’d be more practical to play it on their current console
It doesn't change the fact that people claim to care about classic games more than they actually do. These companies have the spend numbers. They know the reality.
@TheTony316 No sony bricked my ps3 with a bad update then refused to fix it and tried to charge me to repair their screw up no i dont trust the hardware makers. Thats why im glad to have the emulators out there .
i must admitt that Jim Ryan is doing extremely good job as Playstation boss....far better than Sawn and previous CEO no matter the first negative reactions he has transformed Europe to Sony land (except UK which officialy is not Europe ) ...Xbox is just not selling here ...to get a Playstation 5 you need 3 months wait while XSX is available on the selves....and its games are 1/4 of the of the whole game stand in stores... .
It was already heading that way before he took over. He would have to be doing a disastrous job for that not to be the case.
The UK is still in Europe. They're just not a part of the EU (European Union) anymore. ;)
Why do people keep saying the UK is not in Europe? We're not moving continent... we are just leaving the European Union.
@Kurt Russell Oh, i thought you guys left us and sailed to America :D
Doing a great job by lying about "believing in generations"? Yeah fabulous job.
I dont know where you get your data, but xbox series x is just as scarce as ps5. The chip shortage is affecting all consoles and even PC. Yes Sony is more popular than Xbox in foreign markets, but your data is erroneous.
@sonic 🤦🏿 did UK magically lifted off the ground or got transferred to another dimension 🤷🏿. Let make it simple so you can understand does your home stop existing if the local government decide to change the street name? If the answer is yes seek immediate psychiatric help
He is turning Playstation into an American brand, I dont see how this is a good thing. It will overtime just become another mediocre suit driven game developer, thanks to the corporate culture we have in the US. You can already see that change happening with releases and change in overall corporate voice. There is a reason the Softbank founder went back to Japan to start his companies.
@Kurt Russell and wait until you guys unionize with Canada/NZ/Australia too. You'll probably have more pull than the EU at that point!
I still play old games from time to time on new console. I think we should always be given the option to do that.
Yeah. Same here. Actually unbelievable that there's actually 8 people who downvoted you on this. I mean, near half say "nope, we should not have the option to play the games that we paid for". Shilling for multibillion companies, lmfao.
I still play DOS games from 1994. True story. Yet I am also currently playing Call of Duty and am halfway through Hellblade.
To be fair, "new games" is subjective to the individual. A game they never played before would be considered new to them. So a system that offers variety in the games it plays (not limited to one specific generation) would have a wide range of new games for that individual. "New" does not have to be specific to the condition, it can also refer to the experience.
Actually, his quote was took out of context. This is full qoute : Another concern occasionally raised by PlayStation devotees involves the company's once-ubiquitous PlayStation 2. While Sony has in recent years devoted resources to bringing a handful of popular older titles to the PlayStation 4, the better part of that library is lost to time. For now, it seems that's where it'll remain. "When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much," says Ryan. "That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?" But of course, every crap of game sites will try to make a sensation from nothing. Yeah ever since he made that original comment it was fairly obvious he meant it to be interpreted in the way he clarifies here, albeit as he admits it was just phrased very bad and I don't really feel sorry for him that it was taken slightly out of context all this time.
And yet there are constant remakes of older games. That's because some of those games had some of the best experiences of our gaming lives. But with far better graphics.
The point is that from a technical point of view, there's very little reason for it not to support your older games. I mean, some of us sit on hundreds of games after one console generation. Especially if you're like me who play on all the platforms. How am I supposed to have space for all the old consoles plus the new ones all the time ? Not very feasible. This is one of the things I love with PC gaming. I can play all my games on one machine, no matter if they're 1 week old or 10 years old. We really shouldn't make excuses for these billion/trillion dollar companies, we should ask for more. And having the ability to bring the collection you've spent thousands of dollars on with you into the new generation should be the standard.
Not only is it Nostalgia, but some classics games are just better than their modern counterparts. Currently i'm playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 over all the new ones.
Agreed, I've been messing around on Battlefield 5 with some buddies of mine thanks to it being free on PS+. There are so many issues, and flaws I'm finding more and more every day I play it. It barely feels like the series has evolved at all. Even had a glitch that wouldn't allow me to swap off a medic syringe to actual weapons. Small things like that seem far too widespread for such a long-running, supposed "AAA" title from EA. It honestly just makes me want to go back to BC2. That game was incredible for its time.
The thing is, I don't think people want Battlefield to evolve. Aside from better graphics, new maps, and maybe some different match types. But for the most part, BF2-BF4 and the 2 Bad Company games are considered to be the best of franchise. If anything, BF1 and BF5 DE-volved from what those games were. At least as far as gameplay mechanics. And I think gameplay mechanics are what most people think of when talking about games evolving.
This. Original Mirror's Edge better than the newer one. We haven't had a good Tennis game in ages. SSX3 is still the best snowboard game, FIFA14/15 were better than the recent games, Driveclub is better than GRID and Project Cars 3, Super Meat Boy is still one of the very best 2D platformers, etc etc. Jim isn't a gamer. He's a suit. So he just thinks "newer is better! More is better! Bigger is better!", and we've seen time and time again that it doesn't work that way. BETTER is better. It needs to nail the fundementals of being a good, fun game, instead of just increasing size or throwing in some higher resolution or better lighting.
I'm a Playstation fanboy and i find it hard to like Jim Ryan. Maybe he's been just as instrumental as Cerny in the PS5+Studio development, who knows. For me though, there has been a huge neglect of 1st party multiplayer titles i.e games like: Warhawk, SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Motorstorm etc.. Not everything has to be a brand new IP, people didn't moan in the PS2 days when there were a series of sequels.
To be fair, the SSX reboot was still really good. Although not quite as ridiculous in the level designs which I did admittedly miss. Just wish we could get a new one... Imagine SSX on PS5, XSX and PC only. Built from the ground up for current gen.
Yep, well said. For sure, this comment made me very wary of Ryan. It is true that some games really didn't age well, but I think people want to know that they don't need to have all of their prior PlayStations hooked up to play all of those games. Microsoft has done a pretty bang-up job of injecting new life into their old catalog and I commend them for that. Even if enhancements weren't offered, it would still be great to revisit some of those games. Sadly, my PSOne bit the dust a year or two ago. Fortunately, I still have my PS2 and PS3 to play those games. Better still, run everything on one device if possible. And I totally believe that it is. Ever since Cerny mentioned the Tempest Engine has this sort of SPE setup, I've been convinced that they're working on something.
There's nothing wrong with going back & playing classic games but for me I buy a new console to play new AAA exclusive & multi-plat games with higher resolutions,fabulous graphics & productions first & foremost.
Anything that XBox has but PS doesn't are extremely important, no matter what that is. /s
as someone who still plays games on my ps2 because certain games, or some of my favs, just never saw a remaster or a re-release on any other platform, i say bc is important. but not so important that throw a temper tantrum cause of it. xbox just did a better job at building their consoles for such a thing and playstation didnt. its as simple as that.
The thing is, Sony could pretty easily do BC for everything except PS3, regardless of how the consoles were built. I mean, PS2 emulation on PS4 is very solid, they just only allowed a very limited number of games, unfortunately. They just choose to not do it.
yea its quite unfortunate for physical games. as for bringing them to the ps4 digitally.. IP ownership issues (who owns them are mostly unknown for games that didnt do as well or their publisher simply dissolved) are most likely the reasons id day.
@curtain_swoosh I see what you are saying, and there definitely are some games that couldn't be rereleased digitally for IP-related reasons. But there are plenty of games Sony owns the rights to, as well as others owned by the larger publishers that Sony has continuing relationships with, that they could release. I mean, look at how many PS1 games were released digitally on PS3. It wasn't a full catalog, but it was a solid number.
New console new game experiences... But still it's great to catch up on older titles so back compat is a great option even if it's emulation. Sony should offer Ps1 emulation and start having a Ps1 segment of the store. Same with ps2 emulation and so on so forth the difficulty will be ps3 emulation
I still think we will get it but I think it would have been here sooner if people in charge had a more favorable view of backwards compatibility. It is completely understandable for him to have that opinion, but reality and the nature of customer satisfaction requires him to look past his own judgements, what I am absolutely sure he will do. Because ultimately it isn't about him. Its about the customer and its about making money.
He has a point most hardcore gamers buy the next gen consoles at launch to play brand new games with better graphics fps raytracing etc not old games
I dont hate old game, I just dont wanna play a game that looks like Mario 64 or certain ps1 game thats blocky as hell just like he said. Which would you play a blocky tekken or good looking tekken 7 I'll choose 7. Going on side scrolling are fine, ps2 as long as it as updated resolution are fine. Anyways people took what he said out of context, like BC confusion. Its not the 1st time and it happens to me as well.
"He points to PS5 launch game "Astro's Playroom," in which players collect classic items of PlayStation's past, as proof the company supports its past" -That's not support, it's acknowledgement, very different. "As for that old quote: "I guess my big learning from all of this is that when Kazunori Yamauchi unveils the next 'Gran Turismo' side by side with its history, that I will keep my mouth shut." -Not the lesson you should be taking.
Seemed like he tried to sell GT Sport while answer another question at that time but couldn't find the right quote for it.
Ok, this shows he is out of sync with the gaming community. I'm starting to think he has to go.
I hate axios. “Why it matters” That 2017 quote doesn’t matter lmao. Like at all….
I am pretty sure he was only talking about Gran Turismo and he was right ... why the hell would anyone replay Gran Turismo 1 and 2 when you can play the new ones, which are better in every way?
That's part of the problem. He very specifically picked a situation where BC isn't that important (racing games) to deny its value as an overall concept. The people who want to play PS1 games don't want to play Gran Turismo 1, they want to play JRPGs that are unlike anything available today.
I'm playing Bioshock Infinite and it's better than 99% of current Gen games out
I didn’t like Infinite that much . A well made game but it didn’t feel like awesome Bioshock 1 . It felt like a spin-off
His we believe in generations quote is more notorious.
he´s right u know...
I would say the older games are still fun but once you experience these new games with higher frame rate and really good visuals it's very hard to go back.
This guy is a douche. I think he may have been misconstrued a bit in this situation. Sim racers like this are iterating constantly. The graphics improve over time, the menus change, and and you have the sequel. The only real reason to go back to GT1, if you have a copy of GT6, is the car selection, (which is why I love GT1, The only racer I've gotten the TVR Cerbera LM! Bonkers race car that can shred anything in its path!) Other than that I'd rather have a prettier more streamlined racer. My point is that he was talking about a specific game, rather than saying "old games are shit" Jim Ryan CEO
I had a huge backlog of PS4 games to play. My PS5 plays them better and some have upgrades. I'm having a blast with No Man's Sky on PS5. My launch PS4 took forever to load and i hated it. But now it loads in seconds and the updates are great. I didn't buy a PS5 just for new games, I got it for improved graphics and performance with all games. I didn't buy a PS4 pro so going to PS5 was a big improvement.
And your PS5 can play PS4 games, so, what is there to complain?
nothing, i'm talking about the people that say "People buy new consoles for new games." It's just not true. We buy them for new games but also if they allow us like current gen we can go back and play older games that we didn't get around to.
I wish this narrative of "why play old games" would go away. Not every one is a a hardcore gamer that plays all the games as they come out. There's plenty of casual gamers and hard core gamers that might just play a handful of games per year. There's gamers that have families or busy schedules so finding the time to play all the games could be challenging. There are people who might have stuck with one console for years and finally gave another console a try. I'm sure they want to experience all the good "older" games that console had to offer. If a game was great 1 or more years ago, why wouldn't it be great all of the sudden now?
This quote they took from him taking about playing old Gran Turismo games compared to a new one is already 4 years old . It’s the sites working PR and looking for clicks keeping it alive
There's nothing wrong with going back and playing old games. I do it all the time. This is why BC is very important and keeping the PS3 and Vita stores alive are also important.
It was of the mindset that new consoles exist for new games. You can still play your older games on their original consoles but you are picking up a new system for the purpose if playing new games.
Exactly, what is so hard to understand? If you want to play PS3 games, play on your PS3. Nothing last forever, if you bought a book 20 years ago, and it is falling apart today, you don't get a new copy for free, either you laminate every single page or you just accept that you need to get a new copy.
Of course people want to play old games. Look at the Switch. Paying 60 for Wii and WiiU ports. :)
It would be good if my PS5 can play PS1-PS3 games, but it would also drive up the cost of the consoles, so basically 95% of the people are paying extra just because a small subset of gamers buy a PS5 to play 2+ older gens games. Able to play PS4 games are good enough for me, as I still have a few games that I haven't finished due to backlog. In my 30+ years of gaming life, I have never once turned on my last gen console once I get the latest gen. If playing old games are so important, buy an extra console, keep in brand new in the box sealed, and open it up when your console dies. The cost to keep every game compatible keep going up each gen, it is not feasible and pointless. Knowing N4G, I will get shitload of disagree, which is fine, I just want to voice my opinion. I am just not one of those people who bought a movie once in VHS and expect to get free upgrade to DVD, Blu-ray, UHD and then 4k streaming forever, if those VHSs are so important to me, I would have to buy extra VHS players or converted them to digital, it is my job to make sure I have access to them, not anyone else.
Actually, there is no cost to drive up if the hardware is capable of it naturally. The CPU/GPU in the PS5 is more than capable of emulating the PS1-PS3 generations, it just needs the software to do it. And that software already exists. The same emulator Sony uses on the game by game basis for digital PS2 games (converted to run on PS4) can be configured to run a wide range of titles. Pretty much the same percentage as the software BC PS3 did (which was 97% of the library). The main problem is disc format support. I dont recall the PS4 BR drive supporting CD media and the 5 drive is an enhanced (UHD) version of the same drive so it may have the same restriction on media. So that pretty much eliminates the entirety of the PS1 catalog and a good 30% of the PS2 catalog as well. But they already have a multitude of PS1 games already digitized that were playable on the PSP and PS3 and PSV. As to your other point about keeping old consoles... yeah I think we all do that because the lack of convenience. I keep my 360 plugged in to get the digital GwG games on it but it also is able to play the games not compatible with the XBO. I do the same with my hw bc PS3 because it can play three gens of PS games on it. You'd be surprised that fun games never really go out of style so why not play them.
As a PC gamer, I play old titles almost as much as I play new, and having easy access to them is highly important to me as a gamer.
Easy - older games have more replay value, more fun, and are complete experiences. I can boot up Fallout New Vegas and play for hours on end, and forget what time it is. I boot up Fallout 4, I'm turning it off after about 1-2 hours. Farcry 2 I can play all day as well, and even come up with creative ways to kill enemies. Farcry 5? You can keep it. Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2? All day long. Newer games? No. Marvel vs Capcom? Lets play. The newer games? Pass. Final Fantasy 6? Legendary story and characters. 15? I'll pass on the bromance.