According to Bloomberg, Sony is sued by some gamers because by their opinion Sony is acting as monopoly for its own games.
I wonder if these consumers are the Bloomberg itself lol ...as they have launched an all out war against Playstation lately imagine to get sued because you sell your products exclusively to your store lol ....are these gamers good in their mind?
@Sonic-and-Crash Yeah I noticed that too. Bloomberg does seem to want to jump on Sony any chance they get lately. But back on topic, I don't see this going anywhere. The lawsuit boils down to "we're mad Sony doesn't allow us to buy game codes for psn games outside of the psn network so we're suing". Edit- they're also saying that games are being charged as much as 175% more compared to what they were when games were on stores outside of psn. I don't remember anything like that at all. But that's just me.
i also dont remember any game to be sold more pricey in PSN ...in contrary all PSn games had always far lower prices than the physical retail (if you include the plethora of price cuts and offers by Sony every month)
Just get your credit elsewhere most good places offer a reasonable discount between 10-20% save the money that way instead.
I thought you could by the digital codes from gamestop? I know Ive seen them sell digital xbox games. Even bestbuy had these cool little game cases with a collectable coin and the digital code. So I know its possible to buy digital games outside of the respected online stores. Not all games, but big name ones at least.
This may only be a problem once retail finally dies off.
The epic Games effect lmao. A bunch of clowns really think epic were on to something. They're wasting their money. About to be an example lol
The climate is ripe for the Apple suit, though. The October report from the House has set the stage for an even bigger fight for Apple and Google in particular. While it hasn't gotten a lot of attention, the Cydia suit is even more interesting imo. That's an App store that existed before Apple had their own that is alleging Apple has systematically gone about undermining their business after initially relying on 3rd party app stores. Regardless, these issues aren't going away until there's some rulings made.
I still don't understand that suit. I mean if I build a store it will be my store and my rules. You want to be on it be it sell or buy you need to play by my rules. You are free to disagree and go somewhere else. Its a free world
The present suits aren't entirely different than the MS suit from the 90's. You're free to create your own store or OS and run it however you want, but it doesn't mean you might not be doing it legally. Antitrust and anticompetitive allegations don't mean you have a complete monopoly. For the Epic suit, the example their attorneys used this week isn't bad: Think of Apple as a car dealer. In order to run, the cars they sell need fuel (i.e. apps). Fuel comes from other companies. Instead of letting you go to whatever Exxon station you want, Apple makes you come through their own gas station. You buy that same ExxonMobil gas, but Apple takes 30%. Try going to one of those other stations, and they shut you down. It's not a strong suit, but Epic has read the room. They've exposed the ridiculous arbitrary profit margins on Apple's store, and given the DOJ even more to look at. Sony suit is weaker. But like the Epic one, I'm not sure why gamers are pro-corporations on these. Maybe take Sony out of the equation (which is fair because these suits will be coming against others). The bare-basic premise is that the digital store is so closed off that it allows for anticompetitive behavior and price inflation. Isn't the #1 complaint in any digital-only doomsday article "they'll control the market and drive up prices!!!" Plaintiffs are saying this has already started. They'll probably not be successful, but if it somehow results in digital pricing becoming more competitive, I'd think gamers would be ok with it? Not every game is available on physical. Those that are see better discounts because of competition.
@darth72 you can't buy Sony digital code anymore only PSN voucher for PSN money.
If Sony only sold its games digitally, I could see this may be having some merit. But since you can buy a physical disc instead of digital there is no merit.
Lol this is along the same line of madness we heard from gamers complaining about Nintendo choosing how, when and how long they choose to keep their products on the shelf... Is there no end to the complaining from gamers?
If this goes through I am suing Little Ceasers for not selling Pizza Hut pizza.
Sony should be sued for having piss poor authentication systems. Detroit's strip clubs are probably more sophisticated. Twentieth day of getting error code 8210604a. Can't purchase anything through the console storefront, the app storefront, or their straight-up website. Sony's always been a bit shoddy in these areas.
People are ridiculous 🤦🏻♂️😑 🤣
This would get thrown out anyways because a few of their games are available on pc. You can't say none of their games are available elsewhere if it's false. On top of that like people have said, it's their games and their store. Plus mlb the show 21 just released on Xbox. Did we forget that already?
Also most games are available in physical form from a wide choice of retailers
Thats not what the lawsuit is about, at all. Its about codes for digital games no longer being available for purchase on Amazon, BestBuy, etc. Its not about releasing exclusives in other game platforms. Not saying there is any specific merit to the lawsuit, but almost every comment in the article so far seems to think its about exclusives
That still wouldn't hold water because it's a choice to limit product to their own store.
Again, im not saying it has merit or not, just that basically everyone commenting on the article havent read anything and are assuming the lawsuit is about Sony releasing their games in other platforms. And not about buying psn game codes on places like amazon, best buy, etc (which was possible before)
It's not about Sony's games being available only on playstation, it's about being Playstation store being the only place where you can buy digital PlayStation games Thus forcing a digital-only consumer (PlayStation 5 digital edition) into having only 1 place to purchase a game or removing the publisher power for negotiating fees (the famous 30%) You can buy Steam games on Humble-Bundle, CD keys, etc. You can buy Digital Xbox on several stores Same with Switch code
Oh well, they can afford it. They’ll probably win because they’re a huge, billion dollar company who doesn’t care about people.
lmao and you think MS or Nintendo does?? Thats called every company ever... they are what is called a "business" with a goal to "make money" not to care about feelings.
Did he say that MS or Nintendo cared?
Well Spencer and his teammates are at least sociable unlike sony's figureheads.
HUH? WHA? Are you serious? It's their product...
trolling or incredibly dumb🤔
Suing Sony for this? Only possible in the US.
This must be taken out of context or written wrong. If not this is ridiculous.
Yeah, it seems odd. I can't say I've been looking to buy digital codes anywhere, but I don't think I've ever seen third parry code sales for Nintendo, Xbox, Android or Apple.
Lmao.. good luck.
I have a fruit stand, but I gave my fruit to someone else so they can sell it. Now I am broke.
Almost as ridiculous the lawsuit against Sony for the Killzone shadowfall graphics not being what was advertised
I can't believe McDonalds only sells their Big Macs at their own stores! I have to drive like.....10 extra minutes to get to a McDonalds! They should allow the market right by my house to sell their Big Macs! I'm suing!!!
Actually, are you forced to buy your Bigmac from the Mc. Donald's app or you can go to your local Mc. Donald restaurant? And last I check you could also buy a restaurant license meaning different owners? and last but not least How come prices can differ from restaurants?
At least with Apple you could argue there is an effective duopoly, but it’s going to be hard to argue that there is a lack of options on which platform someone uses to play games. Especially with the expansion of cross platform play and the fact that some PS exclusives are coming or have gone to PC, not to mention anyone can buy games in a retail channel rather than PSN if they so choose. This case has no merit.
regardless of any of those reasons you've outlined...it's their product. They can choose to sell it on their store exclusively.
That’s exactly what the lawsuit is about though, that you cant buy the codes for PS games from retail chains anymore (Amazon, BestBuy, etc). It doesnt have anything to do with where you can play PS games. Its very clear in the article, not sure why everyone is talking about it like they are suing because they cant play PS games on another platform
I actually dig how Sony is getting a lot of flack these days. I don't want another initial PS3 era Sony, too ful of themselves. Sitting comfortably too long on top ain't healthy 😛
While I agree with the sentiment that I don't want Sony to get too comfortable in 1st place, puff pieces like what bloomberg writes for clicks won't affect Sony's mindset much, if at all. Microsoft becoming a more competent competitor in the gaming market is what could keep Sony from complacency, it's too bad that they can't even manage to do that much though.
I guess its just some fly by night operation jumping on the bandwagon because of the bigger Epic vs Apple case...
This is as a result of Epic’s stupid war with Apple. To all who support Epic this is end result.
Sony gives clicks. Bloomberg must be in big problems.
I don't think Bloomberg filed the lawsuit. They're just reporting it, like other news outlets.
So...when will people start to sue Nintendo for creating false scarcity for their games by selling the games with limited digital availability?
Oh boy let see how this show plays out
Just when you think you have heard everything, you come across this heap of s*&t. Saying that, it could have some weight, i was looking for digital codes for MLB the show on Amazon, and could not find one for PS5, but i could for the Series X, the Series X digital code was £59.99, whereas the PS5 copy was £69.99. All in all, pretty sure it is not something they can be sued for.
Not one person here saying “it would be nice to have that option as a gamer”
Wrong website for hoping ppl to root for the consumer interest instead of the interest of big companies.
I would be to embarrassed to even try something like this,
Some of these lawsuits going around are weird but whatever brings Sony down makes me happy
Let’s be honest here. They’re just upset they can’t buy a code for dirt cheap that was paid for with someone’s stolen credit card info i.e. black market key sites.
Actually, the ppl making the suits do have a case. By making digital code only available thru Sony's PSN you remove any competition thus making Sony the only one fixing price in the ecosystem. This can be easily proven a couple of days ago I renew my PS+ subscription thru CDkeys for 55% cheaper compared to the price of the same subscription thru PSN store. https://www.cdkeys.com/play... Now if the code was only available thru PSN then I wouldn't have benefited from this deal. The same can be applied to games as certain Xbox digitals games are cheaper on Cdkeys compared to the Xbox store For example, Outrider is 40$ on CDKeys compared to 79$ on Xbox.com https://www.cdkeys.com/outr... So yeah sony is actually having a monopoly in fixing the digital price for PSN customers and with console-like Serie S and Playstation 5 all digital this is indeed something that should be addressed.
Imagine creating something for your own store to sell and then be forced to sell it in another store for them to purely profit off your work...cool logic bro. Do you think CDkeys doesn't sell things for profit? And in the case of Outriders do you think the CDkey cut comes from square's end or Microsoft's? Is it ok if it comes out of Square's?
I'm sure that big Internet and cellphone providers like Comcast would love your answer because it's exactly what they mentioned when forced to provide access to their network to small Internet providers to create competition so the consumers could have a lower price in the end. Now let me ask you a question If you are owning a Playstation5 digital edition where can you buy games? If the answer from only the PSN store then what leverage you as the consumer have? What leverage does Capcom have when negotiating fees (the famous 30% cut)? etc. and what happens if Sony controls 50% of the market and starts bullying companies into having a PSN version 1st etc? Now, of course with Ps5 you can say well buy the more expensive console but what about Playstation 6, 7, etc. Now just letting you know that Humble Bundle creator is suing Steam for similar reasons and unlike Sony, Steam does allow keys to be sold on other markets. https://arstechnica.com/gam...
Comparing the internet to games is totally fair...because games are life necessities. You can only buy PSN digital games on PSN because you can only redeem them on PSN or play them on a console with PSN on it. The leverage you have as a consumer is going to xbox, Switch, PC, etc if you don't like their prices. The leverage Capcom has is exclusivity or Marketing deals with other platforms if they don't give them a lower rate. Other platforms that also have 30% cuts by the way. What is PSN version first? Do you mean exclusives? Everyone has those. Like Microsoft buying Bethesda so there won't be a new Bethesda game on PSN ever again.
" Comparing the internet to games is totally fair...because games are life necessities." So when it's life necessities it's ok to go against your principles? "You can only buy PSN digital games on PSN because you can only redeem them on PSN or play them on a console with PSN on it." So by your logic, I should only be able to buy Disney's admittance ticket at the attraction parc or I should only buy a restaurant voucher at the proper restaurant and Ski admittance at the ski station because I can only redeem the voucher at that said location. "The leverage you have as a consumer is going to xbox, Switch, PC, etc if you don't like their prices." Talk about simple logic like, let's not discuss the fact that you need to buy another console, pay another subscription, some titles are not available, you will lose progressions, friends list, etc. "The leverage Capcom has is exclusivity or Marketing deals with other platforms if they don't give them a lower rate." judging that Epic who's one of the biggest players is complaining about Sony's 30% cut despite several deals is a clear indication that Sony does not negotiate fees on PSN and like I said when you have no choice to release a game on PSN due to market size what choice does a publisher have? PSN first could simply be a clause that forces the publisher to release the game before on PSN versus physical or other platforms (like the fail Xbox parity clause) It could simply be the obligation to charge a minimum fee for all transactions And the fact that Sony is already asking Epic to pay compensation for crossplay or the History of Sony music versus various artists is enough to prove that Sony has no problem bullying companies or consumers when they are in control. Now I'm not saying that Sony is wrong because clearly, they have built PSN just like Apple did the Applestore I'm just saying that it does raise some valid questions regarding a future where digital sales will be the norm.
I’ve never never never ever paid 175% over the cost of physical or 3rd party store, for a psn game. If anything I’ve paid -75% to -100% off games from Sony’s sales and giveaways.
You can just use PSN wallet top-ups to bring the Playstation Store prices down. That's what I did for RE8 and it reduced the cost to £47.49 which is about the same as what the third party stores are selling the Xbox version for.
Sue EA for monopoly
I’m going to sue McDonald’s for not letting me buy a McRibs at Burger King.
Well, last I check you are not forced to buy your Mc Ribs online and the offer differs between each Mc. Donalds also, promotions and prices may vary between restaurants.
Yeah… because Microsoft and Nintendo aren’t doing the same thing, only Sony /s Frivolous lawsuit at best.
They arent, you can buy digital codes for Xbox and Switch games from other sites like Amazon
What is war good for? Culling and backbones.
What in the effing heck? , this is just ridiculuos.
And this is why you always buy physical versions, they are cheaper for one
So when the game is 75% off on digital store, I as Amazon should purchase dose digital codes from Sony, than when the game is back full price on PSN, I as amazon should put my digital codes on 50% sale and make a buck. If not, Monopoly!!!
The logic behind, going to retailer to buy DLC codes in the first place, is just ridiculous.