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Epic Tried To Convince Xbox To Make Multiplayer Free Alongside Apple Fight

An email between Epic CEO Tim Sweeney and Xbox head Phil Spencer, made public today as part of the ongoing Epic versus Apple trial, shows Sweeney trying to entice Spencer to take “free-to-play” multiplayer out from behind the Xbox Live paywall to coincide with Epic’s war against the App Store.

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XiNatsuDragnel1087d ago

That'll be a god move Xbox do it you bakas lol

StoneyYoshi1087d ago

Wait. Didn't MS already do this after the XBL price increase backlash?

Profchaos1087d ago

I think they said they will pretty sure it's not there yet

darthv721087d ago

They dropped the gold requirement for F2P games. Something that was long overdue.

Shiken1086d ago

@Profchaos

They dropped it, it is not required for F2P games anymore. Tested and confirmed.

ActualWhiteMan1087d ago

This was done like 2 weeks ago.

Zeref1087d ago

They already did this lol

Sciurus_vulgaris1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

Epic is not a benevolent Knight campaigning for consumer friendly change. Epic just wants to further self-enfranchise itself by sustaining or growing Fortnite. Fortnite literally targets children as a demographic, despite Its dependence on MT based revenue.

MadLad1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

They're a joke. They're using Tencent and Fortnite money to try to bend the entire games market to their whim.
Sweeney is a greedy jackass, and the more information leaked on these lawsuits, the more it confirms that assessment.

Atom6661087d ago

He's pretty much had to admit that the whole: "We're fighting for the little guys too" routine was BS.

This hasn't been great for him. Granted, I'm not exactly rooting for Apple either.

Vits1087d ago

No doubt about it. Even more now that it was revealed how dependent of consoles their revenue flow is.
And there is also the rumors of Fortnite going the Roblox's way, so having a larger market for that is a sound strategy.

That said. I'm not particularly against having multiplayer being free on Xbox. If anything I don't see justification for any console manufactor to ask for a subscription in this day and age. Even more for f2p titles.

MadLad1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

I agree it's kind of pathetic you're expected to pay to play games online, on console.
All the same, that monetization is also part of the reason you get the hardware you do for as cheap as you do.
Damned if you do; damned if you don't.

Thatgrammar1087d ago

I feel like you’re all missing the actual point made in the article. Sweeney was trying to get “free-to-play” multiplayer games (aka: fortnite, apex legends, etc.) out from behind a pay wall. On Xbox you had to pay for Xbox live to watch Netflix even. Xbox has since taken Netflix and free-to-play games out from behind the paywall known as Xbox live gold and operates just like playstation plus has since the start of the PS4 generation when Playstation decided to lock its multiplayer behind a paywall. However, Netflix and free-to-play games never required a subscription to ps+. I’d love for both Playstation and Xbox to make all multiplayer free to play, but I don’t see it happening anytime soon, unfortunately.

Teflon021087d ago

Grammar

The apps behind a paywall was removed at the beginning of Xbox one as far as I'm aware. I do agree it's a good thing. But Epic is only doing things to benefit them. No one else and just pretending they're for the people when what they're doing mostly screws players over and only benefits them

Vits1087d ago

@Thatgrammar

Yes and mentioned that I find it even dumber for f2p titles. However as whole the idea of paying for online in sort of bizarre at this day and age. As both PC and especially mobile that represent the largest pie of the market have it for free. With the exception of subscription based games that are few and far between.

RauLeCreuset1087d ago

@Thatgrammar

They aren't missing the point. Getting F2P from behind the paywall was incidental to Sweeney's desire to grow Fortnite's customer base on Xbox and to time doing it at a moment that would increase pressure and bad PR for Apple.

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Father__Merrin1087d ago

Apple is more Evil than Epic, so Il be siding with Epic

Teflon021087d ago

Naw, they're about the same. Epics ruining PC gaming for a bunch and so on just to benefit themselves.
Apple at least only walks over who wants their product which means they ask for it that way. Epic is literally imposing on ppl who don't want them in their crap

MadLad1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

The guy defends Epic in virtually every article concerning them.
I've stopped taking him seriously.

Father__Merrin1087d ago

Apple blatantly rip people off with thier annual side grade phones and get people to raze hell for them. Where as Epic are bringing great gaming content that better for developers and gamers. I've just got shenmue 3 on Epic and it plays on the same pc as my other games

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Christopher1087d ago

That's not how the legal system works. You don't determine a specific case based on who is greedier. You determine it on the specific merits of the case.

Knightofelemia1086d ago (Edited 1086d ago )

@Father_Merrin

Most companies are evil they only want the dollar and milk the customer whether it's Apple, Samsung, John Deere, Ford, General Motors, EA, Activision, Caterpillar, Whirlpool, Makita, General Electric. They put on the smoke and mirrors trick and pretend to be your friend show that they care to earn your trust and money. And once they have your money all that they promised flies out the window faster then a bird from a cage. When you as a customer had enough of their bull shit and threaten to take your business else where. Then they pretend to kiss your ass make it sound like you are getting one hell of a deal just to earn your trust and money all over again. It's a never ending cycle wash rise repeat all over again.

neutralgamer19921086d ago

TheRealTedCruz

While you bash epic at every turn so you are the same only defending the other company?

Teflon02

Sure ruin pc gaming by offering more money to developers 88/12 is a FACT. So what if they made few games timed exclusives it's nothing new to business. Fact remains steam takes 30% and epic 12% and with recent announcement of MS also taking 12% on pc I believe epic did something good. Apple is as greedy as they come

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FPS_D3TH1087d ago

I hope epic gets nuked into oblivion with this court case. Revealed so much and honestly you’re a gullible simp if you bought the “for the player” arguement epic laid on the table as they weaponized their player base against these companies

StoneyYoshi1087d ago

I hope that doesn't happen since they make one of the best 3rd party game engines out there.

Vits1087d ago

Somebody would definitely buy the rights and development tools of the Unreal Engine. So you don't need to be concerned with that. The only thing that would likely change is the monetization scheme. As the leaked documents proved that the way Unreal Engine is being handled right now leaves a lot of money on the table.

Christopher1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

The engine won't go away because they lose this case. Even if they lose so big they can't recover, is would be sold as a company to someone else.

Deathdeliverer1087d ago

You guys have to understand that Fortnite literally turned Epic insane. Goes to show how insane some people will get with a little perceived “power”. Fortnite unexpectedly turned into a hit. A mega hit at that. They are already making money hand over fist and they get deals/collaborations coming from left and right. Instead of continuing this way they decided they could get even MORE money by cutting hardware providers out the loop.
Purchases on any phone, console, store like steam and origin, all get a cut from it. Epic cut out steam and the like with the epic store. Now players are playing fortnite for free AND they get all the revenue from the game if they can convince people to use their store instead. Little promotions on their store helped make that more of a reality.
Because Android/google is more of a PC way of doing things it was no resistance given. Do what you want. Epic got the game going straight through EPICS store and cut google out completely. Googles hope is “well fortnite is a huge hit so we can sell more products because people need something to play it on.” Bad decision in my opinion.
Apple is more like a console approach. So you want your game to use your store and cut us out completely? Your game is already on our platform, working fine, and our deal is inked, but now you’re saying you want to have the game link to your store so I can hope on hardware sales because your game is so “popular”? Apple rightfully so turned them down. The IPhone is popular as hell and so are androids.They don’t need help selling them. Sweeney found out the hard way that when you coming for the ones at the top, they aren’t so impressed by your game that they will let you screw THEM over. Or did he??

He tried it with Microsoft and Nintendo. No matter how you feel about it Microsoft’s console sales and Nintendo’s infrastructure is nothing compared to PlayStation. They would be easier to convince with letting people play on their system free, only getting money if someone buys from their store. Example is 50k made a purchase on Xbox this month but they have 500k players this month. All that money from purchases went to someone else BUT they are playing on your infrastructure that epic CANNOT provide. So they reaping all the benefits. You’re just housing.

They tried it with Sony and it’s hard trying to bully or persuade #1 into taking potentially nothing. They need ZERO help selling PlayStations and more players play on PlayStation than any other platform apparently so why would Sony (which is crazy Microsoft went for it) Allow a company with ONE mega hit and no infrastructure reduce the PlayStations income and be relegated to potentially being just housing? Nope. If we have a lot of players living here but spending elsewhere we want some of that as a “housing fee” basically. Sony never cared about cross platform play. Games have been online cross platform since PS2. The ONLY problem is there’s money involved now. Epic is hoping more people buy in places that they get ALL the money and the consoles and Steam/ whatever is simply where they play.

Sorry so long but I think this is all so obvious it’s crazy.

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Outriders Dev's Next Game Has Been Canceled After Publishing Agreement With Take-Two Fell Through

Outriders developer People Can Fly's next game has been canceled after its publishing agreement with Take-Two Interactive fell through.

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Tacoboto1d 1h ago

"the capital group of PCF Group S.A."

If you're getting funding from a group that needs two different ways of Acronyming itself, things will not go the way you want them to.

banger8819h ago

If it was more online-only crap then good riddance.

jjb19815h ago

Outriders was crap. They slapped that game together and threw in a loot system to get players' attention. This game was absolutely jank and the always online nonsense made it stutter like crazy. People Can't Optimize.

thorstein4h ago

I liked Outriders but I could see where the artistic vision was compromised. The way the industry is now, it wouldn't surprise me that upper management would scrap something that didn't pull in money via gaas, mts, or other means.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7222h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle9h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18816h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio6h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning771h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21838h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus232h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv721h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10111h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos11h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac10h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10110h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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An Update on This Year’s BlizzCon and Blizzard’s 2024 Live Events

Blizzard writes: "After careful consideration over the last year, we at Blizzard have made the decision not to hold BlizzCon in 2024. This decision was not made lightly as BlizzCon remains a very special event for all of us, and we know many of you look forward to it. While we’re approaching this year differently and as we have explored different event formats in the past, rest assured that we are just as excited as ever to bring BlizzCon back in future years."

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PRIMORDUS20h ago

How about you not hold Blizzcon anymore period. You fucking POS company. I really hope Blizzard would just die.