Jim Ryan: PSVR 2 A 'Strategic Opportunity' For PlayStation

PlayStation boss Jim Ryan says that the company's next-generation VR system is a "strategic opportunity".

[SullysCigar]

Hell yeah it is! Just give me a date and tell me how to preorder the thing - I can't wait to get my hands in those controllers!

[NecrumOddBoy]

Jim Ryan is such a suit and a garbage one at it. He keeps stepping on PlayStation’s trajectory with his poor messaging. I’d hate for him to botch PSVR2 which looks to be an awesome new edition to PS5.

[SpineSaw]

@NecrumOddBoy

Jim Ryan by all standards has done a pretty good job since taking over as Head of PlayStation. The PS5 release has gone as well or better than expected and the PlayStation First Party is releasing really good AAA games with Demon's Souls remake and Spidy MM releasing along side of the ps5. Last week PlayStation FP released a multiplatform game that is doing very well and they'll be releasing another AAA game next week that happens to be a new IP and has been getting really good feedback so far.
Sony is a public company and its stock price is close to as high as it ever been and PlayStation is the backbone of that success and nothing has changed since he took over. He may not be a smooth talker or the used car salesman that Microsoft has but which would you rather have.... A guy that gets the job done or snake oil saleman that has to fall back on his best line "wait till next year" over and over?

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

What’s poor about his messaging? He makes promises, and then keeps them.

I like that, personally. Some consoles just make empty promises for an entire gen.

[sin7279]

Gtfo !

[crazyCoconuts]

Nothing wrong with the latest messaging. PSVR strategic, exclusives important. I don't know why all the hate from some people. Maybe he just doesn't seem like someone that actually likes to play games?

[Army_of_Darkness]

I don't see any reason to hate him. PlayStation is still doing what they do best, even with this Damn endless pandemic.
Also, I cannot wait for the psvr2! It is gonna be mind blowing! And take Ps gaming to the next level!

[blackblades]

Stop being so negative

[Jericho1337]

How is a gamer supposed to relate to the “strategic opportunity” wording? This guy need PR training.

[Aussiesummer]

Be prepared to pay a scalper.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Besides Jim being supportive of the VR industry and console VR, I think gamers are going to be quite surprised when the names of the next PlayStation headset's games get announced.

We already have an idea on how they are going to look. But I think big name franchises like GTA, COD, GT, RE, Spider-Man, Battlefield, etc will be announced that can't and won't be ignored by the community.

Should be amazing along with those new controllers.

[Orchard]

We've been hearing "Wait for game X to get VR and everyone will have to jump in!" for years now, and VR is still not taking off.

Those games would be good VR experiences - but 99% of gamers will still just play the game 'normally'.

[Christopher]

https://www.techradar.com/n...

[gamer7804]

Decades now , facebooks is terrible all they have to do is ban your facebook account and there is no recourse you are done.

[Orchard]

@Christopher It's good that Quest 2 has sold well but there's a few open questions there:

1. How many units? They just say it sold more than the past models combined, but we don't actually have numbers to work out if that's 10 mil or 100 mil.

2. How many of those purchases are mainstream gamers? It could be companies or people buying for other VR formats.

I'd also say VR is more popular on PC than console. I don't see a world where the norm is to go buy a games console, plug it into your TV and sit there in isolation with a VR headset on. PC gaming is more isolated so it makes sense, console gaming is typically done in a living room/media room around family etc. - that's where the struggle to become mainstream occurs.

PS4 has a huge install base, but only a small percentage bought a PSVR. I don't see this changing massively with PSVR2.

[Orchard]

@inexpensivelion Except Sony aren't the only company doing VR... heck, I'm a huge HL fan, and would love to play more content, but still don't feel the need to buy a headset to play Alyx.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Spoken from someone that has no clue about VR. The idea is to grow the base beyond the gamers who are already onboard the VR train.

Gamers like myself already see what can be done on a base PS4 that's only 1.8 teraflops. Yeah. 1.8. PS5 is over 10 teraflops, will not be held back by base PS4, won't be held back by 10 year old controllers that didn't have analog sticks. And, will not be held back by HDD or disc. We're talking about SSD level developed games.

Gamers complain that there are no big titles. PSVR has already gotten big titles like RE, Skyrim and Hitman. With limited controls. Only a fool would think that only Indy companies are going to be making VR games for Sony. Some companies held back because of power and because of the controllers. The team that made Bone Works is 90% sure on a PSVR 2 release because Sony's headset will be at a level to port games across easily without sacrifice.

You can ignore VR. But it's not going away buddy. No matter how much you want to be a naysayer. It's entered business, realty, education, sports, job instruction etc besides gaming. You're the one that's still thinking it's a gimmick. Being ignorant about VR potential doesn't mean you'll stop it. And don't be mad that Microsoft isn't forward thinking like Sony. Being behind is Microsoft's MO.

[Orchard]

@ApocalypseShadow

"Spoken from someone that has no clue about VR. The idea is to grow the base beyond the gamers who are already onboard the VR train."

Spoken like a true business expert. The idea/business plan for a business/product is to grow its base beyond those who already own the device. Shocker.

The reason PSVR didn't sell through well is nothing to do with SSD's or teraflops... from what I've seen, the games ran just fine and loaded in similar amounts of duration as a non-VR game. To think suddenly everyone is going to want to sit in their living room with a headset over their face just because there are now 10TF instead of 1.8TF is naive at best.

"Gamers complain that there are no big titles. PSVR has already gotten big titles like RE, Skyrim and Hitman."

You've listed 3 games from the 2017-2021 period... one of those has no PSVR support in the sequel (RE), one of them had terrible controls (Hitman) and another is likely no longer coming to PS5/PSVR2 (Elder Scrolls). They were likely all funded somewhat by Sony too. That's hardly a great overview you've given there.

"You can ignore VR. But it's not going away buddy. No matter how much you want to be a naysayer. It's entered business, realty, education, sports, job instruction etc besides gaming. You're the one that's still thinking it's a gimmick."

I'm not the only one ignoring it/thinking it is a gimmick, the overwhelming majority of PS4 owners are also ignoring it and considering it a gimmick alongside me.

AR, and to a lesser extent, VR, being semi-popular in business/realty etc means nothing for gamers. Unless you sit doing virtual house tours all night long on your PS.

"And don't be mad that Microsoft isn't forward thinking like Sony. Being behind is Microsoft's MO."

Huh? Where did I mention Microsoft? Sounds like I hit a nerve.

Also I'm not really sure you can consider Sony as 'forward thinking' in the VR space. Everything they have done has already been done by Oculus & Valve, sometimes years in advance...

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Orchard
Regarding Quest 2 it is a massive success despite low media exposure (how many Quest 2 articles have you seen N4G/IGN/Gamespot, etc?) it has sold more than millions of units in a short time frame (at least more than a million before the end of 2020)
https://gamingbolt.com/ocul...
and was close to 2 to 3 million in late Feb according to Rec Room dev.
https://www.androidcentral....

The real winning aspect of the Quest 2 is that it's wireless and easy to use but can be hooked to a Pc for the hardcore gamer (if you have the proper PC).
For the price thrust me it's a no-brainer.

Again not so bad for a product that barely gets some shelf space in a shop.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Huh? Where did I mention Microsoft? Sounds like I hit a nerve."

Seems ApocalypseShadow hit a nerve. What I'm wondering, since you asked where you mentioned MS, is where was this tired adoption rate argument mentioned when you were talking about Game Pass? Much more abysmal adoption rate than PSVR, right? PSVR costs hundreds of dollars and requires a PS4 or PS5 to play. GP can be had for $1 and is available to anyone with a PC. See how easy it is to turn off critical thinking to use the adoption rate argument to attack something you don't like?

[Orchard]

@RauLeCloset Huh, What has VR got to do with Game Pass?

Anyway, I'll answer your off-topic question: Everyone knows MS has almost no market share on PC, Everyone is gaming on Steam, and now Epic to a lesser extent. The adoption rate on console is undeniably very good though, higher than PSVR if you want to compare apples to oranges, but especially when compared to similar subscription services both in and outside of the gaming space.

Quite clearly GamePass has taken a foothold in the market, where as VR has not really.

@ApocalypseShadow Lots of games last gen had horrible load times compared to PS5. Didn't stop people buying them. Again, not a reason that me or anyone around me has mentioned as a reason for why they don't own PSVR. In fact the most common reason I've heard is because it feels anti-social to sit with a headset on in your living room. By that logic, VR should be very popular on PC since they have high spec PC's and high spec headsets available, but alas, it is not.

Gamers may be surprised, but that doesn't mean the adoption rate is suddenly going to sky-rocket. VR is more popular on PC and even the adoption rate there isn't great.

PSVR did have a high price - what makes you think PSVR2 will not? As for Kinect (off-topic, bur whatever) costing the same as a video game... what video games were you buying? My 360 kinect set me back $150... and games were cheaper back then than they are today... but you make a good point - Microsoft discontinued the Kinect due to it being a failure - and it still sold 4x PSVR and in less time... but some how I'm meant to believe people are chomping at the bit to get a VR device...

Game preservation? Off-topic - what has VR got to do with game preservation? As for my own backyard, my own backyard is looking pretty rosy - I game on PS - just not PSVR :)

I agree people will pay attention when Sony announce anything (PSVR2 or otherwise), but to think a simple change of controller or updated specs suddenly means people will love the VR format / playing method is naive and very unrealistic. I hope we can revisit this conversation when PSVR2 has been out for a while and the overwhelming majority of gamers are still playing games in a non-VR mode. That will clearly be the outcome.

"You'll see. Then when it happens that journalists will be floored"

Journalists being floored does not mean VR will suddenly be popular and adopted by the masses. Journalists are a minority. Is this how we now measure if something is a success or not? What journalists think...?

[RauLeCreuset]

"Huh, What has VR got to do with Game Pass?"

It has to do with you selectively putting forward disingenuous, bad faith arguments depending on if it's a product you like or one you wish to downplay and attack. But you already knew that.

"Anyway, I'll answer your off-topic question: Everyone knows MS has almost no market share on PC, Everyone is gaming on Steam, and now Epic to a lesser extent. The adoption rate on console is undeniably very good though, higher than PSVR if you want to compare apples to oranges, but especially when compared to similar subscription services both in and outside of the gaming space.

"Quite clearly GamePass has taken a foothold in the market, where as VR has not really."

You didn't answer my question. You answered a question you made up to avoid having to answer my question. The question was "where was this tired adoption rate argument mentioned when you were talking about Game Pass?"

The question wasn't "can you change the subject by focusing on a minority of the market Game Pass is available in to hypocritically (and erroneously) claim the adoption rate is 'undeniably very good' after attacking an exponentially more expensive product that nonetheless has a better adoption rate than Game Pass?"

The PSVR market is PS4 (and now PS5) owners. Game Pass is available on Xbox (not going to list all the iterations), PC, and soon mobile.

PSVR costs as much as, or more than, a full fledged Switch console. Game Pass gets given away with boxes of cereal. https://www.kelloggsfamilyr...

PSVR's reported numbers are based on sales. Game Pass' reported numbers are based on users (to include the non-paying breakfast club above).

Facts and math, sport. PSVR, a literally exponentially more expensive product, has a literally exponentially better adoption rate than Game Pass.

[Orchard]

@ApocalypseShadow Ignoring your immature comments about being a kid since I am not, nor do I resort to trying to insult during a discussion. I don't expect anything to go 'viral' overnight. But I do expect a device to sell more when its platform has 115m+ units out there. Kinect even outsold PSVR in numbers, with less Xbox 360's being in the wild than PS4's. And Kinect was a failure.

"You claim it's more popular on PC. But PSVR has outsold every PC headset. Even today. You still don't know what you're talking about. Another failure."

Except you're comparing 1 headset vs many... the number of users / market share is clearly bigger on PC, Steam stats show as much. But that's also expected... PC users are typically sitting at a desk, so the leap to put on a headset isnt that much extra in terms of isolation/being anti-social, where as most console gamers are sitting on their couch with their family/friends around or kids to watch etc - putting on a headset isn't viable for a lot of gamers.

"Like I mentioned in an above comment. Perfect example of a company that says they can't wait for Sony and PSVR 2 game development."

So one small developer is meant to suddenly turn the tides on VR? Seems unlikely. The fact remains that barely any big experiences are being developed for VR, and most big devs/IPs are choosing to forego it entirely. I don't see this changing with PSVR2. The market just isn't there - unless Sony is willing to pay for those modes to be developed.

"But again, I'm talking to someone with no experience. Who has no understanding that it will take time"

Bad news for you there bud, I've got a decade+ in the industry... so I clearly understand more about the industry than you. Heck, I've even worked on a VR game. I do admire your passion for VR, but it's clear to anyone that VR will remain niche and won't be the standard way the majority of gamers play games.

"You guys tried with PS5 and the controller and failed. Can't wait to see you fail again. It's what you guys are good at."

Who are you guys? and why are we now quoting Jim Ryan like he is Mark Cerny or someone of similar statute? PS under Ryan's direction is a step down from where it was under House, Layden, etc

@RuaLeCreuset You're totally off topic, but if you want to truly compare apples to apples... GamePass hit 15m in 3 years, PSNow took more than double that to hit 2m. I wouldn't say ~5m adoption when you have 115m+ consoles out there is an 'exponentially better adoption rate', or even a good adoption rate. Kinect had a higher attach rate than that, and was a flop.

As for your complaints around comparing a subscription service to high priced physical hardware... you are the one who chose to make such comparison - not me :)

[RauLeCreuset]

"You're totally off topic, but if you want to truly compare apples to apples... GamePass hit 15m in 3 years, PSNow took more than double that to hit 2m."

You can try to deflect all you want. You may as well quit wasting your time waving your hand in a desperate effort to convince me these aren't the droids I'm looking for. Desperate deflection is desperate deflection. Bait not taken. Sorry.

What's being compared, or more accurately contrasted, are your disingenuous and hypocritical positions on adoption rate where it concerns a product you like versus a product you're trying to dog.

"I wouldn't say ~5m adoption when you have 115m+ consoles out there is an 'exponentially better adoption rate', or even a good adoption rate."

Let me remind you that I'm not going to change the subject or not talk about certain things just because they're bad for your argument. PC (and now mobile) is part of Game Pass' market. You aren't going to ignore that away. Thus, when you're having a conversation with me about Game Pass adoption rate, we are going to talk about the entire pie, not just a slice of it, not just on Xbox. Let's have Phil tell you their market:

“I think the people who want to pit us against Sony based on who sold the most consoles lose the context of what gaming is about today. There are 3 billion people who play games on the planet today, but maybe [only] 200 million households that have a video game console. In a way, the console space is becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall gaming pie.”

https://www.playstationlife...

So yes, PSVR LITERALLY has an exponentially higher adoption rate than Game Pass.

"As for your complaints around comparing a subscription service to high priced physical hardware... you are the one who chose to make such comparison - not me :)"

Complaints??? Maybe you should read that again. It doesn't upset me at all to point out to someone trying to use the "adoption rate" argument to crap on a product that they don't like that the adoption rate for that (literally) exponentially more expensive product they're trying to crap on is (literally) exponentially better than the adoption rate of the product they cape for.

"Kinect had a higher attach rate than that, and was a flop."

I intentionally saved this for last. True statement. Agreed. The Kinect is Exhibit A in the absurdity of judging a product's success by it's attach rate. Thanks for playing.

[Christopher]

***It's good that Quest 2 has sold well but there's a few open questions there:***

1. They sold more than all combined previous VR units with just the latest release. If that's not a sign of growth, I don't know what is.

2. Mainstream is mainstream. Gaming on consoles is in mainstream and why games sell in the millions even with such larger competition and so many games aimed at being a person's only game source. So, I don't get the question on the type of gamer who bought them when it doesn't have to be the same as others much like how mobile gaming isn't necessarily the same as console or PC.

3. The question was on VR popularity, not platform presence. Even then PSVR is the primary indicator for success in other platforms until it's surpassed by another brand (Quest 3 looks to be the new leader). And it's also why Sony is coming out with PSVR 2. To refresh and update much like the others have been doing since PSVR was released. The problem with consoles is you can't release a ton of updates like others. But they can keep ahead enough to advance higher end gaming on VR.

[thorstein]

"VR is still not taking off."

I have heard this statement for the past 5 years. When are you guys going to give it a rest.

There are a few phrases those of us who play VR (any VR) hear that is mostly someone repeating others with no knowledge of where VR is or is going: those phrases are always a version of "it's not taking off" and "VR experiences."

There are hundreds of games that are fantastic. Depending on what you are looking for there are games that meet every want. But you seem to have already made up your mind based on what you read other people say on the internet. I doubt any logical argument will sway you.

EDIT: After reading the comments, I see you are just here to start arguments and not learn anything new.

[ocelot07]

I honestly think this new PSVR2 will also be compatible with PC. With it being inside out tracking and only needing a USB C connection. I can honestly see this being officially compatible with PC. Plus maybe they will release some of their own VR games on PC.

[waderae]

would be nice to have PC, maybe a steam partnership.

i would like to see PS now get a massive catalog of VR games, i think it would add value to PS now (and a clear USP over all the other sub services) and if you bundled 3 months sub with every headset, new players get an immediate access to x amount of titles straight away.

[crazyCoconuts]

steam partnership is tough - would have to find a way to monetize only when a particular headset is used?

PSNow w/ VR titles is a great idea though. Lots of older titles that I'm sure the new headset will still be compatible with and will be fun for new comers to play

[Anomander]

Except newer GPU are already dropping the USB-C connection port. No point including when most VR headsets where including HDMI inputs

[ocelot07]

With the quest I use a usb c to usb 3.0 cable. No need to connect it straight to the GPU.

[Anomander]

The whole point of the quest is too be wireless though. I rather plug in to the GPU and take advantage of the hardware there if possible. It's a more point for me since I have the quest 2 and Index. I'll be skipping PSVR2 unless there is a smoking deal on one.

[ocelot07]

The Quest is a 2 in 1 VR headset. Yer the main selling point is you don't need a PC you can download games straight to the headset. But it has its limitations.

Being able to connect it to PC via USB cable or even via WiFi and playing full fledge PC VR on it is where the meat and gravy is for the quest imo.

That's why I think it would be Smart for Sony to have it compatible with PC. Even if they don't release their own VR games on pc. Have it as another option for gamers. As if this PSVR2 is on par or better than the quest. Then I'll be buying on and selling the quest and using it on both pc and ps5. But of course that all depends if it's pc compatible.

[crazyCoconuts]

No chance. Doesn't fit PS model. They want you locked into their store and platform

[giveyerheadawobble]

Yeah, it's not as if Sony has ever made anything compatible for the PC. Never.

[crazyCoconuts]

It's beyond "compatible". It's a platform so they want to make sure they have a way to monetize game purchases. If they need to they can sell the headset at cost or even at a loss if they're sure you'll pay for games. They can't do that if you just hook it up to a PC and buy games off of steam. I think that was one of the Rift's downfalls - you can bypass the Oculus store and buy the game on Steam usually at a discount.

[Anomander]

Highly doubtful Sony makes PSVR2 PC compatible. They aren't they that forward thinking. That want you locked in their system.

[giveyerheadawobble]

You're getting downvoted by the Sony gang here, but I hope you're right. Having a headset that is compatible with console and PC would bring huge sales to the thing, as many will own both. Even so, if it isn't, then I'm sure someone will bring a hack that will enable it to be playable on PC just as the PSVR was, and if that could be used, then it should be straight forward for a headset with standard tracking and controllers, i.e inside out IR.

[FreeFallFrenzy]

Sony fan here and I hope they release this on PC. It'll get more headsets out into the wild and if Jim's not jerking our chains about more exclusives than ever, then the people who buy it for PC will eventually buy a PS5 for the VR exclusives. Just like the beginning of every console's life, it's a "chicken or egg" problem. Best to solve it as early as possible!

[Youngindy21]

If done right PSVR2 could be big for Playstation. They should make VR games motion control optional and the screen resolution has to be higher. Hopefully, they support it with high quality content. I'm honestly surprised Microsoft isn't at least considering VR's potential to be a game changer.

[crazyCoconuts]

Even if it's not a huge hit, I'll buy it. VR is awesome

[NeoGamer232]

Until PSVR gets to a decent accessory price it has no hope of being "big". Even with all the hype, advertising, and great game support last generation, it only managed to get sold to 5% of PS gamers.

But, it is a nice luxury accessory for people who want it and can afford it.

[FreeFallFrenzy]

Like mentioned above, if this also gets a PC-compatible release, there will be much more in the wild and probably sell more than any of the other headsets with better brand recognition. With Jim at the reins I see this being a big possibility.

Agreed on the price too. This thing has to get down to $200 (controllers and headset) to be mass market capable. Hope Jim's smart about that too

[generic-user-name]

I didn't reply to you, I replied to Youngindy21.

[specialguest]

I'm hoping the PSVR2 doesn't settle for what's up to par with the current PC VR headsets. I want something to be excited for. I want it to be leading the pack

[generic-user-name]

MS are the kind to wait for others to take risks, then wait for them to become successful, before jumping in themselves, throwing cash around and claiming they do it best.

[NeoGamer232]

Really what does that have to do with my comment. My comment was about PSVR. I didn't buy one for my PS4 because it was too expensive. And it looks like many gamers felt the same way because less then 5% of PS4 gamers bought the device.

As FreeFallFrenzy said, they have to get the price to $200. But, with their approach of starting marketing now well before release, that kind of indicates a similar price to last generation. Which means again, that not as many gamers will be able to afford it. (I can afford it, but I bought Oculus Rift early on and it now collects dust on a shelf, simply because VR isn't for me.

[MrSec84]

The original PSVR is awesome, the next gen PlayStation VR should be a huge upgrade, especially with the added horsepower of PS5.
I can't wait to see what the games look like through it, also wondering whether there will be improvements to the ergonomics of the headset. I was hoping for a wireless system, but still having the ability to just plug in a single wire will make it much easier to get into games on the next version of the headset.

Hopefully we'll hear about when it will launch by the end of the year and get more details about price and launch games or the initial run of exclusives that will release in the first year of the headset's release.
I'm very excited as a long term PSVR owner.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Won't launch this year. It would be nice. But I don't think developers are ready when dev kits might just be heading out. But Sony has the next few years to grow VR on console without all the hiccups of lower resolution, no analog sticks, no 360 controls, limited 3D sound,etc. Basically, their next headset will not have ANY drawbacks that PSVR had. None.

Not one gamer will be able to say that their next headset is weak. Or is using old tech. Naysayers will have lost the fight on that. And there are some that think only tech demos and simple one hour games are going to be made. Sony's going to embarrass these individuals just like they have on PS5 power, embarrassed them with the Dual Sense Controller, embarrassed them with the SSD. And they will make fools of them with the type of games and franchises that will come.

No one is saying everyone's going to run to VR and replace couch gaming. But VR will be there for those that want more immersion than just looking at a TV.

Trust me. I'm going to laugh at the naysayers after all gets revealed. We saw how ignorant they were before PS5 with rumors. We saw how they were ignorant on power. Watch how dumb they will look when they see the type of games that can be played.

[Orchard]

"Trust me. I'm going to laugh at the naysayers after all gets revealed."

So how many PS5 owners do you think will pick up a PSVR2? 50%? 60%?

Lower resolution, no analog sticks etc. is not what stopped me, or anyone I've spoken to, from buying a VR device. It was the format/method of playing.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Orchard, you think somehow that you represent others interested in VR. No. You represent the naysayers that know nothing about VR. You think it has to be wireless or that it only is great on PC or that there are no games, etc. You're the type of guy that downplays McDonald's who eats at Burger King. Wasting your time.

Better resolution, better controllers, better haptics, better power, better games are going to be a given. Unreal Engine 5 is a given for some developers. Meta Humans are a given to be used by some developers. Even Half Life Alyx was not based on SSD. Because the majority of Steam owners have HDD. And no other headset has the tech Sony has in their controllers. And one configuration. Not like PC and multiple cards. Sony doesn't have to worry about that either. One system. One SSD.

I'm just going to ask point blank,

"What VR games have you played?"

If you haven't played any of the top games on any VR headset, then you're just talking with a whole lot of hot air and aren't worth the effort. But wait until Sony announces the games. You're going to be on the top of my list. Don't run and hide like Obscure and others did when PS5 revealed itself and made 12 teraflops mean absolutely nothing. Hope you're ready to be embarrassed. I'm going to rub it in often.

[rlow1]

I'm actually excited to see the new VR. Content will be important, but if done right could make Sony the main destination spot for VR.

[jukins]

I cant wait. Not having a good enough pc and /willing to spend all that money i settled for psvr. And even that was an amazing experience. Can only imagine without the current models limitations .

So many naysayers hating on the tech obvious they havent tried it. Makes mediocre games great almost by simple immersion farpoint perfect example. Generic fps but in vr being "in" the game completely changes it especially with aim.

[jznrpg]

I really enjoy PSVR I just want some bigger games specifically RPGs/JRPGS . I do think we will get more with the second iteration of PSVR.

[Petebloodyonion]

As a 1st day buyer of the PSVR, I really feel MEH about Jim Ryan's claim regarding PSVR2
Now I do really love my PSVR and some of the best experiences (Statik, Astrobot, RES7, Wipeout, and Deraciné) can only be played on it (Res 8 can't beat Res7 if there's no Vr support) and I still play love to play with it.
But the VR scene has changed drastically with Oculus around (namely the Quest 2) that I feel that Jim is suddenly playing catchup and hoping for the best a bit like when Sony announced the Move controller after Kinect.
Just read his interview from last October when the Quest2 launch (just a couple of months ago) and I fail to see the same conviction and bravado regarding VR.
https://www.theverge.com/20...

Thus suddenly in mere months, we have the PSVR 2 announcement great news except it feels like another PC Headset with typical VR controllers.
It will be easy to use... just buy a PS5 and buy the PSVR2 and plug the wire or I dunno just buy the Quest 2 at a fraction of the price and press power and no need to have a wire.
And that's another big advantage that PSVR2 is losing... the price. One of the biggest draws of the PSVR was in fact is lower price compared to PC where you would need a gaming PC + an expensive headset vs the cheap PS4 and less expensive PSVR.
But Sony will have great exclusives and that should secure the PSVR 2 future right?
I really hope but unfortunately, Sony also has a track record of letting others do the works and hoping for the best before committing to bringing the big guns.
Just ask yourself and what was Sony's 1st big game on VR and when was it released?
RIGS was great (I love it) Studio closed quickly, Rush of Dawn? Farpoint? both made by independent studios
Astrobots and Vr Golf? again go see the list of the closed studios to find where they are.
London Studio seems to be the only studio standing at the moment.

So Again let's hope that Sony does bring some major game like GTS, Warhawks (It's a crime that it's not already on PSVR), Twisted Metal,
and I really hope that Sony has a surprise announcement that the PSVR 2 can also be played as a stand-alone unit like the switch. (That would really be a killer).

[ApocalypseShadow]

Sony announced PS Move after Kinect but the tech was before Kinect. Kinect also was running on PS2 before Microsoft bought the company and denied Dr Mark's continued collaboration with the company. And PS Move works 2 generations later on PS5. While Kinect is dead. Actually both Kinect units are dead. As are the games but we don't hear anything about game preservation there do we? PSVR games can be played on PS5.

Yeah. A system many times more powerful is going to play catch up to a mobile processor. Sure. Does Quest play Skyrim yet without being tethered to PC? Why not RE7 instead of RE4? Exclusive possibly. But the reality is that Quest can't run it.

You don't even know the price yet or the specs to compare prices. But okay. Lol. Speculate away.

One wire won't be a problem when you see the games. Analog sticks negate any need to do room scale. Sticks move the game world to you. And if its inside out, Sony's play area will be much larger than PSVR 1.

Yeah. Sony made no big games for VR. Sure buddy. I guess games like Astrobot and Blood and Truth don't exist or didn't get awards. What's the big game for Quest? Don't name PC games or Rift games. Don't name Beat Saber as that was purchased after the fact. Quest only big games.

Every drawback PSVR had won't be there with the next. Up to date controllers, haptics and triggers no one else has, Unreal Engine 5 support which means global illumination, Lumens, ray tracing support, etc. 3D sound that's way better than the breakout box. SSD support meaning near instantaneous load times for highly detailed games.

Enough power to run GTA 5 that came out on PS3, Horizon, Spider-Man, RE8, etc while Facebook will have to release 2 more headsets to get even near PSVR 2. While they drop previous headsets like RE4 not playing on Quest 1.

Give it time. When the names get announced and you see what it's capable of, being that PSVR 1 was running on 1.8, while PSVR 2 will run on 10.28, we'll return and review how Sony will have done it again. Just like the system and the Dual Sense.

[Petebloodyonion]

Won't go in your argument of Kinect cause the idea was to convey the emotion that ppl felt after both reveal and not the tech itself.

Does Quest play Skyrim? Nope Does Switch Lite play Resident Evil 8, Red Dead Redemption2, etc... Yet funny how Nintendo keeps overselling the device despite being less powerful.
And You just point it yourself You DO can play Skyrim with a PC or streaming so I don't see how's that would differ from PSVR2 with a wire.

And you're right again! I don't know the price of the PSVR2 but I do know the price of the PS5 and that it's Mandatory for PSVR2, so already the cost is higher for a newcomer.

So when I see the game the wire will disappear? I think you fail to see that PPL loves VR for the ability to move and interact with the environment. Here's the list from Sony about the best-selling VR games
https://www.psu.com/news/pl... many of these games are played from the standing position.

Quest only big games... The Climb2, Lies Beneath, Robo Recall, and please PC games not available on PSVR or from other digital stores are playable too on the Quest. have you played Halflife Helix?

[SullysCigar]

So the glass is half empty. Gotcha ;^)

[Petebloodyonion]

Exactly! :) Really looking fwd PSVR2 since I really love the current one but can't feel shake the feeling that Sony was caught pants down with the success of the Quest2.
Let's hope I'm wrong.

[SullysCigar]

I disagree. The rising tide lifts all boats. This subsection of the gaming industry is still a relative fledgling. I'd imagine Sony is delighted by the success of the Quest 2.

There will likely be a glut of awesome games ported to PSVR2 that the PSVR missed out on due to the old/weak OG PS4 towards the end of the generation.

The glass is surely half FULL, my fellow goggle head! 8^D

[ApocalypseShadow]

The fact you named games like Robo Recall, which is a downgraded Rift game, tells me you have nothing. The fact you mentioned Half Life for PC means the Quest has nothing. You have to fall back on connecting to PC to have something. That means you have to either have spent more than PS5 or PS4 for Quest to have something. Destroying your opinion on price and that PSVR 2 needs PS5. I thought Quest was great by itself? Quest has nothing but mobile arcade games and downgraded PC and PSVR games. That's what you have. And now, it's getting a PS2 game. Lol.

Yeah. It's not all about graphics. I should know as I still play Atari and NES games. I really don't care that much. But you telling me that Sony is playing catch up to mobile phone VR? Sure buddy.

Just as some traded in PSVR to get Quest. They will be trading in Quest so fast to get PSVR 2 that even The Flash won't be able to keep up.

[Petebloodyonion]

For somebody who says it's not all about graphics, you sure talk about downgraded a lot and make it your main point again and again.
You asked about games playable on the Quest and I gave you some games related to Oculus that the majority of ppl have heard. Now you can again mention how they are downgraded when not played with a link and I can easily again mention that Switch Lite is selling more despite being inferior to PS4 and Switch console
care to explain the why?
Also, I have mentioned Half-life Helix to remind you that you can still have the ability to play the big-budget game if you want. And contrary to what you believe, a game doesn't need to be exclusive to be fun.
Now you can Yap all you want about nothing but mobile games but just a reminder that you are basically insulting the majority of PSVR owners because the same crappy mobile games are currently what PSVR owners are buying and playing.
https://blog.playstation.co...

Now You want to know why I don't have total confidence in PSVR2? Because when you have a great story you put it on the front page of your newspaper and not in the short news section.
Meaning you don't announce your next big thing on a blog update just a couple of weeks after saying that VR wasn't really ready.

As for your ppl trading quest like the Flash
Well, I really hope (I do) I do love my PSVR and would want nothing more than having more Wipeout and Resident Evil.

[DFresh]

Scalpers:
Interesting. (Rubs hands together.)

[Profchaos]

Day 1 I loved my psvr it was really a Shame more AAA Devs didn't support it outside of a few notable exceptions re7, star wars squadrons, doom vfr for example but it gave indie Devs a new platform to be creative and standout.

[purple101]

after psvr 1, let me tell you, I tried a friends, some random horror game,

after 20 mins I was getting tired, tried to put my hand on a table to rest, (yes, it was a virtual table, ) almost fell over in my lounge,

so yes, I'M IN. totally in.

[SullysCigar]

Lmao 😆

There's a snooker player in the UK - largely considered the best ever - Ronnie O'Sullivan. There's footage of him being put in a headset in a snooker game and being told "just play it like you would in real life"! So he leans forward to rest his hand on the virtual table and face-plants straight into the floor!! 🤣

[Half13yte]

Whatever they end up doing, I hope it will have lenses that are easy to replace. It would be nice to start having friends who wear glasses again!

[SullysCigar]

I feel your pain there

[QuePasa87]

Please let it work with PC, I'd rather just buy one headset