Microsoft today announced that November was the biggest sales month for Xbox in its six-year European history, with sales up 124 per cent over last November.
Good for them, wouldnt surprise if they break 30ml by the end of the year At the rate they're going its looking quite possible
With the Arcade only costing parents $199 and with Fable II, Gears of War II, and kid friendly Banjo Kazooie recently released, and other multiplatform games like Fallout 3, Prince of Persia, and Call of Duty WaW, and the release of NXE with Netflix, it could be a VERY strong month of December as well. That, and I still am not seeing any Nintendo Wii's in local stores..... whats the deal with that? They still can't produce enough?
Doubt it. Everybody knows rrod replacements don't count...
Genuine question here. Can you even use Netflix in Europe? If not then it isn't really a driver for sales.
if all these new 360s being sold still have RROD problem! if 360 fixed it then its good news, i want them to give sony a run for their money so they cut the prices soon too!! but unfortunately i think the RROD problem is still existing and at high rates but less than 15% which is still high! and MS needs to stop counting the defected consoles as sold consoles!! sony needs to learn a lesson to not take their enemies so lightly! but i can tell u that even with 360's price cut, ps3 will still outsell the 360 in europe this year!! EDIT @ceedubya9 i hope u r right, but the problem is that 20+ million people already bought the old manufactured 360s!
Well, we can still use it here in America, and last time I checked, there are millions of parents out there in America that like to buy gifts for their kids too...... did that really fly over your head? Nowhere did I specify that I was talking about Europe. The OP was talking about the 360 can hit 30 million worldwide by the end of the year, and I gave reasons why I agree with his comment.
I dont' think the issue will ever be completely fixed. It is a piece of electronic hardware, and all hardware like this has the potential to be faulty or has that chance of breaking down at some point. The key is if Microsoft has been able to to bring the number of hardware failures down to a reasonable amount. It seems as though it has gotten better since the issue was acknowledged, and with the new machines being made, it is hopeful that things are still getting better.
WOW is all i can say about your statement, i mean seriously re-read your statement. "and MS needs to stop counting the defected consoles as sold consoles!! " So if i buy a 360 and 5 months later it RROD that shouldn't be counted as a sale? Or maybe you are saying MS is giving consoles away that are defected? Or maybe you can explain yourself.
please be more logic, there is no way 360 can get upto 30m, saying "wouldnt surprise if they break 30ml by the end of the year" is showing that you don't really used your brain at all. even at the bias chart VGchart showing around 24m 360 sold ww, but at that rate there is no way it would sold 5-6m more, I would be really surprise it really gonna happen
i meant that if u get RROD after 5 months and they cant repair it or the damage was severe and will cost a lot to repair and time consuming then they will either give u a used one but fixed or just give u a new 360, and of course MS count this as sales since all they can count is their shipment consoles! we can only be sure about the numbers if MS counts all the defected consoles which i dont think they will ever do! beside how many times u hear a 360 owner have 2 or 3 360s?? i heard so many that i cant count!! the only way to be sure of their sales is by looking at NPD number for USA and something similar in europe!! they will reveal the truth but NOT vgchartz
I dont think M$ counts consoles that they replace as a sale. I'm pretty sure there are alot of people who bought new 360s though because they got from xbl, 360 broke without the RROD, better system from HDMI and if you want to take out those consoles sold then Sony should also stop counting PS2 sales that had problems with the laser, owners who upgraded to the PS2 slim, PS2s that just broke in general and weren't covered by a 3 year warranty like MS does. So if Sony was to do that then the PS2 total sales would only be 50 million.
I'm sorry your console is losing the war, but that doesn't mean you can hurt our feelings :'(
Good job MS!
I would agree if there wasn't this fuc*ing RROD. Sorry but I'm so pissed right now. I've spent countless money (I bet more than 900€) for the Xbox360 and the games, and what happened? Yes I got the RROD today. The problem is I have a launch 360. If you don't believe me look for my old posts (I've never said anything against the 360). I have the money to buy another 360 but this just shouldn't happen and that's why I don't want to buy anything from MS again. On the other hand, I have far too many friends and too many games (sure I could sell them, and buy them again on the Ps3) to change the console. This is a fuc*ed up situation, damn you MS
Yeah well it happens, you better be grateful you have had it that long. All you have to do is send it back and they will fix it no big deal. Put it to you this way. I am on my 2nd 360 since launch. I am on my 3rd PS3 since launch so go figure. And excluded 5 PS2's. And 4 PS1's. When it comes to electronics it doesn't last forever.
wow that must hurt. But I think you didn't read my post completely. Since it's a launch 360, I don't have a warranty anymore, and thats why I'm pissed off. I'll try to convince the support to repair it since I will keep on buying a lot of games. btw: thx for all the disagrees and taking away a bubble just because I stated the truth. If you don't believe me, let me know via PM and I'll send you a video with my 360 and my username
Generally everything electronic has some type of timed warranty period. I can't tell you how many phones or tv's I have had to purchase again because they have broken outside of their warranty period. Is it cheaper to get them fixed or cheaper to just buy a newer unit? I guess it depends on what the situation is (item/cost). My 27" tv of 4 years has started having visual issues. I spent close to $400 on it back then. Can't find one the same today (as tech changes) so I spent a little more ($650) for a nice big 42" plasma. I could try having my old one fixed but it isnt worth it. A 360 that dies within its warranty period can be fixed. Same with any other electronic device. You shouldnt chastise MS for your 360 breaking. Even if it did RROD, simply because it lasted longer than the naysayers said it would. If MS hadnt done this and just stuck to the regular warranty period they would be no different than Sony. I had to pay to have 2 ps2's repaired just shy of a year on each. Launch time the system cost $400. Now you can get a newer model with updated features for half that. Revisions to products happen all the time but there is no reason to get upset if they come out with a newer model for less a year or two down the road.
@ Dark_Vendetta Sorry to hear about your 360. It has a happened to a few people I know as well. Two of them gave up and bought a PS3. The other was pissed at MS but got another 360 because of the games and the investment and he has no regrets about it. Good luck with your decision, you can't go wrong either way. Xbox Live: ukilnme PSN: ukilnme2
Dark_Vendetta some of us who have been here long enough know your a PS3 fan. Now stop with the lies, you have done this same BS before.
Thats why you buy extended warranties...instead of actn like a fool.... Jeez most of my electronics have extended warranties on them or their parts.......Xbox 360, PS3, TV, Computer Parts, etc etc
See now im all confused darn it, i keep on reading posts about how this and that will be the death of the x360 and how its been the year of the ps3, some one please explain?
PS3- January- September PS3>> 360 360- September- December 360>> PS3 PS3 wins easily
So, what you just pointed out is the PS3 moved more consoles during the slow time of the year when the fewest consoles get moved, but the 360 is moving more during the critical and VERY busy holiday season when most consoles are sold...... Thanks for pointing this out! Good Job!
PS3 was winning during the slow season for crying out loud and actually lost a couple of months in there to 360 before september. Just get over your bad frustrated morning and deal with the fact that 360 gaining more and more momentum. This year is going to belong to 360 in both hardware and software just like next if Sony doesn't do something major.
Very true. Then again, it's not hard to give things away...
best spin of the year goes to: xbox street gang - for suggesting firms trying to turn a profit in this cut throat industry are more insterested in the number of months a product was popular, and not the total number of units sold. Bravo !!!
Seriously dude, MS is getting their console into consumers houses, AND they are still making a profit on every 360 they sell now. I think that is the hole idea behind selling consoles, and right now, MS is doing a pretty good job of doing it. The funny thing is I own both the 360 and the PS3, but yet my PS3 only gets turned on when I am watching movies..... how strange is that?
Even if the PS3 sells more than the 360 overall this year, they still have ground to make up due to the 360 launching a year earlier. At the rate it's going at the moment, the PS3 won't be catching up for a while. Sony really needs a price cut to push their console.
HAHAHAHAH, man that was so funny i will have to.....take a bubble for that.
When the PS3 outsold the 360 in those months, it was only by 5 to 10 thousand. When the 360 outsells the PS3, it's about 100 to 400 thousand.
Oh ok i see, we go by number of months and not units sold deeerrrrrr silly me
It shows that there was more demand for a PS3 over a 360, all year long. Expect the same next year... After the price cut of course.
Demand changes all of the time as in the case of this holiday season. Next year might just be the year were 360 makes a clean sweep with all the momentum is having now.
Demand is a function of price here is an example demand is Q=20-2P Now if you solve for price you get P=10-1/2Q What this shows in economics is as price for a product falls, demand will rise. So if each system has its own demand curve, as the price of given system falls demand will rise. So right now the 360 is selling more, but I am sure as Sony cuts the price their own demand will rise.
Just to give you an economics lesson, there is no such thing as demand in Economics. It is Quantity Demanded. As the Price Falls the Quantity Demanded will rise, though there is a fine like, once you go past that line, you will actually lose that quantity demanded. Right now the Xbox 360 is at Sweetspot price point. I will say this. If the Xbox 360 did not get a price cut, would the quantity demanded be that same right now. The answer is no. Microsoft was brilliant to cut the price right before the Holidays, and they advertise like crazy. (Coming from a PS3 Owner. I like the 360 just hate Microsoft as a whole company, but I will never bash them for quality economics.)
smashing baby :). Too bad this topic is filled with excuses from sony fanbois though...
Most PS3 fanboys don't want to acknowledge that their console is in third place, hence your disagrees. But seriously, why care who's winning as long as good games keep coming out on both the 360 and PS3? We, the gamers, win when companies compete.
i completely agree with champ. who cares who is winning its not like we get money from them. all we should care about as gamers are the games. competition is a great thing it makes companies release better games.
I agree with both of you above me. I don't really care too much which console sells more, because I have both of them and as long as I continue to get to play great games on both systems, then I am happy. However, I do want the competition to be close, so that neither company begins to rest on their laurels.
yeah I will give you the excuse your same kinds uses every time. Same can be apply here. LIES LIES LIES.
360 is for the poverty stricken PS3 for those who can afford quality That is just the way both are perceived, 360 is just the substitute for those without the cash to buy a PS3 aka the financially challenged.
360 is for those who want it. Same goes for the PS3. I wanted both, so I got both. I had the money to do so as well. By your logic, I should only have a PS3 because I can afford it? Everyone's buying habits aren't the same. I know plenty of people who have tons of cash that don't even care about buying a console, let alone a PS3.
Well, I had money for either console, but I went with the 360 because of my gaming preferences. If I had more money to throw around, I'd definitely get a PS3 too. You, sir, have flawed logic.
Your logic is flawed... Some people are just not interested on the PS3... because they are not interested in blu-ray (at least for now) and/or the PS3 games are yet to, "blow them out of the water" as Sony promised more than 3 years ago. I currently have 3 XBox 360, 2 PS2, 1 DS, 2 PSP... So, money is obviously not the reason... Sadly "Quality" is not a game people can play... which explain why people are willing to risk getting RROD and buy a Xbox 360 over a PS3.
..first - with 2 pricecuts in 6 month thats no wonder. ..second - the box havent sold 25millions currently. and third - the differences are not so big betwen ps3 and xbox, i say way to short for these pricecuts!!! the question is how long does sony wait for their pricecuts..
"and third - the differences are not so big betwen ps3 and xbox, i say way to short for these pricecuts!!!" Sorry i always thought 6.5 million was quite a large number, i mean if i had 6.5 million pound i would be happy, if you weighed 6.5 million kilos you wouldnt be best pleased. "360 is for the poverty stricken PS3 for those who can afford quality" Thats funny, i earn whats equivalent to 50,000 dollars per year but i havent bought a ps3 yet
Sony better get on the ball with a price cut.
Because Sony was so ambitious with their PS3, they allowed Nintendo and Microsoft to make this generation a competition. I truly believe that if Sony hadn't come out with the PS3 at 600, and instead launched at 399 or 450, then they would probably have been in the lead already. Oh well, competition is always good.
I'm sure they would have been in the lead had they released at that price range, but do you know how much money Sony would have been losing then? They were already losing money selling the things at $600 at launch. Sony's problem this gen was they stuck a very expensive piece of technology into their console to try and jump start Blu-Ray, and to be honest, the Blu-Ray format does not have THAT much of a positive impact on gaming to justify that decision this generation.
Well, if Sony managed to start with a lower price, they'd possibly be beating the 360, but I really don't think they'd have a ghost of a chance against Nintendo in terms of console sales. At least Sony pays attention to their hardcore crowd, though...
The BR player set Sony up for the future, but it priced them out of early dominance that they were almost assured. Now, they are still playing catch up because their brand name, although strong, is not as strong as they initially hoped. They're risky move has made this an interesting generation.
179E console + modding = Tons of sales from cheap people, like the old ps2 days
eventually post good news for the 360.
well done MS for your relentlessness for the true hardcore gamer.
Positive, you're an idiot. True hardcore gamer =/= true fanboy like u
I'd buy a PS3, I can certainly afford it I just have no reason to. All my friends all have 360's and there's no exclusives I want, to me it would be a very expensive dust collector, the PS3 does have some added features but I want a gaming console, and the xbox in my opinion is the best at this, and cheaper too :).
Sooooooo in other words.................360 is the new ps2? Best games, best features and now amazing sales! Nintards just lost their ''Bu bu bu bu teh amazing sales'' defense.
360 can never be a PS2. That actually requires Japan.
Something the PS3 is missing.
LOL good one
wow, your thuper hot.
PS3 sales were 3-to-1 compared to the 360 the week after A FREAKIN SQUARE ENIX EXCLUSIVE JRPG RELEASED.....were the capital letters overkill? nah.......
Who gives a flying F**k who sold what. Jeez fanboys on both sides get a life and enjoy gaming. I have both 360 & PS3 and both have had issues. I have had one RROD and that was ages ago. My PS3 has issues with turning on from the touch pad. Even after replacement it still had the same issue, it turns on when it feels like it. Very temperamental. of course I'm making this up because there is no such thing as a imperfect Sony product </sarcasm> Yeah this year is the year of 360, but the PS3 has done well considering it's price point. Maybe next year if Sony manages to release Home before the PS4 comes, we may well see a turn around. How close is Sony to the longest beta testing record? I enjoy both consoles and feel like I'm a winner simply because there are two big guns competing. How bad do you thing gaming would get if either one of the two pulled out?
I'm still not convinced that Home is going to make a big impact in PS3 sales. With all the delays, it seems that interest is starting to fade away. I think a price cut would definitely do wonders to push consoles, though.
I seriously don't see HOME making a huge difference in all this. To me, it just seems like another thing to mess around with for current PS3 owners. I'll probably hardly ever use it myself though. When I turn on my PS3 I either want to go straight into watching a movie or straight into playing a game.
the ps3 has been beating out the 360 throughout the year. at a higher price. microsoft lowered their prices just before the big holiday. smart move but it doesnt take rocket science to see why that its a big push during tough economic times. without the price cut it would have been a more interesting battle. still though, the ps3 at a higer price and no price cut is still selling. my apartment was just broken into on monday, they stole 2 tv's and 2 ps3's a psp and various other goods. (angry) when i rebuild, i'm buying a ps3. i considered the 360, but once i buy what i need (wireless, hard drive space [getting the 80gb ps3 but ordering the 500gb hard drive for $129] LIVE Service [no headset etc with arcade so it has to be the $299 model at the least] charge cables, i hate batteries etc so consider me a new customer with no consoles at home. i'm buying the ps3. and so are many people. expect a huge surge in 2009 when the ps3 has its price drop. truthfully price isnt that much of an issue for sony, many people like me see value for your money spend in the ps3 not just a cheap plastic machine that plays games. sony really needs to market better. it's selling very well with luke warm marketing. if sony had microsofts marketing sony would be sued for holding a monopoly
And it has been since launch. That's why it has been selling well. People are familiar with the Playstation name when it comes to games. The PS3 has the PS2 and PS1 to thank for its success. The 360 didn't have the luxury of two generations of successful consoles build off of. And it is making a name for itself and chipping into Sony's market share. All at the same time, Wii is breaking down the barriers of what it means to be a gamer and outselling them both. I can't sit here and say for certain that a Sony price cut will cause a HUGE impact (although an impact is to be expected). We don't even know how much the price cut could be? Will it be 100 or just small 50? This is not the first time Sony has cut the prices. And Microsoft obviously responded at some point down the road. There could be so much back and forth between now and the end of 2009.
The gmecube was the cheapest and no one bought it. Price does not matter! This is what I was told when the price cut was announced. Look at my old posts. I do not ever see any of the know it alls that told me "price does not matter look at the gamecube" posting an any article mentioning big 360 sales numbers now. So I am guessing price does matter?
SHUT UP You guys are ALWAYS saying that. "Expect this in 2007" "Expect that in 2008" "2007 year of the PS3" "No it's 2008 now" "Wait, it's actually 2009" "Wait until LAIR" "Wait until MGS4" "LBP will MOVE consoles" blah blah blah blah blah blah Seriously. SHUT UP with the whole "expect X in 200X" thing