The possibility of XBOX Game Pass on PlayStation 5 - Dash Gamer Podcast

Dan Rizzo & Brendan White discuss the Bethesda/XBOX Buyout and the consequences that may be felt throughout the entire industry, and how XBOX may potentially hold the key to open that forbidden portal. Could we in fact see XBOX Game Pass on PlayStation 5?

[XiNatsuDragnel]

If true then console war will be over in my opinion.

[PrimeVinister]

It has debatably been in a tense cease-fire for a couple of years but you are right, it would be the end of it as we know it.

[Sonic-and-Crash]

if Gamepass appears on PS then its the end of PStation ..i dont think it will ever happen...Also what s the difference with PS Plus ?? really ? in my eyes PS Plus offers the exact same things and even let you have the games to your PLus library forever

[xHeavYx]

@Sonic
The end of Playstation? Are you out of your mind? Playstation has been outselling Xbox from the beginning, being able to play Xbox titles on Playstation would mean that even less people would be buying an Xbox.
Also, no, GamePass and PS+ are nothing alike. I do wish GamePass was available on Playstation, but it would mean the end for the Xbox console.

[crazyCoconuts]

Cease fire? So you think when Sony and MS have their board meetings they're not talking about strategies that pull customers from the other side? I mean... they're competitors. Just because we see a few games that are cross platform doesn't mean they're not in an intense war for our $$$

[Mr_Writer85]

@sonic

Plus and Game Pass are not comparable at all

Plus:
Cheaper
Required to play online
Monthly games (usually old, unless it's an indie game)

GP
Lots more game
More expensive
Doesn't include online (unless you get ultimate)
Has all MS first party titles on it, and they launch on day one.

Not comparable in the slightest. The nearest you get to game pass on PlayStation is PSNow.

[neutralgamer1992]

If that happens the install base for xbox would diminish even more. If and that's a huge if that ever happens ms would become a content software company. The biggest reasonif you never happen because Xbox live generates too much money for Microsoft for them to give up on Xbox brand

Who in the right mind would buy Xbox if they could play on Xbox games PlayStation along with all the PlayStation games

[enkiduxiv]

I don't know why people are downvoting this. You are absolutely correct. The 7.5 billion dollar acquisition was all about giving XBOX some highly desirable exclusives so they could better compete with PlayStation and Nintendo. Putting Game Pass on PlayStation would basically just be handing this exclusivity back over to Sony.

I understand they would still make money from the subscription, but at that point they would simply be operating like a big publisher, like Activision, EA or Ubisoft.

[DJStotty]

That will never ever happen, again Sony will never allow a competing platform on their platform, ever.

[GamerRN]

I highly doubt it will happen. It'll hurt Xbox from a hardware perspective

[DJStotty]

Not only that, Sony would not allow competition for PSNOW on their platform, Microsoft would make more money via gamepass subs on Sony's platform, the xbox hardware perspective would stay the same, they do not sell enough hardware to warrant a significant financial impact.

[GamerRN]

LoL they don't sell enough hardware? What are you talking about lol

[GamerRN]

@DJStotty

By that logic, Sony wouldn't feel any financial impact as they likely don't make anything on the failed PSNow network

[darthv72]

DJ, they could make a mutual agreement. PS gets GP, XB gets PSNow. Both offer streaming as an option on devices that dont support native downloads.

MS and Sony already have a deal inked on the use of Azure and it wouldnt be much to add in cross platform streaming.

[Livingthedream]

Only hurts them if they put their xbox exclusives on the service

[DJStotty]

@GamerRN

For a "significant" financial impact, how much do they make on each console at the moment?

If anything, they are probably making a loss on the consoles sold.

"By that logic, Sony wouldn't feel any financial impact as they likely don't make anything on the failed PSNow network"

That makes no sense.

So you think Gamepass being on Playstation, will result in less consoles sold for xbox, and no gamepass subscribers on Playstation? What?

[DJStotty]

@Darthv72

"they could make a mutual agreement. PS gets GP, XB gets PSNow."

Would it not be easier to to make a console where Sony does the hardware, Microsoft do the software then? (I don't mean Sony stop 1st party, more so all xbox games on PS).

That would result in no competition between the 2 platform holders, would then likely merge, and then the gaming industry would stagnate with no competition.

It will never happen, if it does i'll eat my monitor on a livestream

@Livingthedream

"Only hurts them if they put their xbox exclusives on the service"

How can making more software sales, and increasing subscription numbers, hurt them? If anything, they will make more money.

[GamerRN]

You guys DO realize the real money from hardware comes from the licensing fees that other companies pay for each game sold. So the loss in hardware sales gets offset by fees paid for having a solid user base and charging fees.

[Rude-ro]

Never say never...
It is just that gamepass is stupid.
It is fully targeted to the bot so thoughtful American “hip” crowd that does not understand money and or value.

It would hurt Sony none...
But it would then shine a light on how poorly Microsoft is as a gaming company.
They have nothing exciting, they just sell the idea that it is.
We are now at the point where we close our eyes and cross our fingers Tehran it comes to a Microsoft release..
My point? How in the world is a gaming company that has not made a new AAA game in over ten years offering a gaming service?

And so far.. 99% of the “new” releases are your straight to dvd movie that are not testing well.

Why would. Sony want and or need this?

[DJStotty]

Good story, full of fiction, but nonetheless a great and entertaining read.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Wanda vision is a good show it seems you're in a infinite loop, broken record stuck in 2011. Saying the same things over and over and over again.

Radio static* hello... Hello rude are you there? One day you'll get with the times.

Buy entertaining fan fiction as always though.

[Rude-ro]

Full of typos...🤦
But very real nonetheless
If you do not think Microsoft is starting at the profit possibilities of said service vs the years of collected data from connected consoles... then I do not know what you think is “real”.
I built a pc. I have Xbox live. I looked at the offerings.... and would not find value in most games offered.
You are a paying a fee to access games...
But the dlc? Micro transaction? Live service games like destiny?
It all adds up.
Then we have seen the output from Microsoft.
Charging full AAA prices on indie style games to make them seem like a better value on gamepass is not a value to be had.

More times then none, I see diehard Xbox fans celebrate bad games as a sales pitch for gamepass. They are still bad games. So I do not get why a monthly fee is needed.
Just drop demos and be consumer friendly.

🤷🏻‍♀️

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Charging full AAA prices on indie style games to make them seem like a better value on gamepass is not a value to be had."

You mentioned Destiny and all it's expansions. Well that game and it's expansion are all on Gamepass. Outriders isn't an indie game and it's hitting day and date. The latest Bethesda games aren't Indies Monster Hunter EA's games etc and amongst countless others aren't indie on the service.

Here's a tip education yourself on what's goin on before you say anything.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Not only that but if Sony really wanted to compete in that space they could Revamp PSNOW. This podcast doesn't make any sense knowing Sony has their own service they could push and utilize.

[crazyCoconuts]

Right. Not like they'd even have to do much of a revamp. Just put newer games out there and up the price. There's a reason they're not doing that...

[crazyCoconuts]

Agreed. Sony would have to be in a position where it's completely backed into a corner and lost it's market lead before it would resort to allowing competitors to suck revenue opportunity away from them. It would be Sony reverting from being a platform to just a gaming hardware provider which is FAR from where they are now. So, kinda cold day in hell scenario...

[Elda]

Highly doubt that'll happen.

[Futureshark]

Gamepass on PlayStation = no more Xbox.

Why would anyone buy one, if you can play all the same games on the rival hardware, plus all the PS exclusives?

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

If it is possible, GamePass on PS5 would probably just include the Bethesda stuff from MS (no Halo, Gears, etc). That's MS's bargaining chip. Sony would get Fallout, Doom, Elders Scrolls, etc and MS would get at least 10m+ GamePass subscribers.

It's probably not going to happen though.

[crazyCoconuts]

so many interesting problems to tackle w/ that approach, like is the service "sticky" enough to have customers continue to subscribe when you only have a small # of games that are truly exclusive to Xbox, or would they snipe and just subscribe when they want to play a certain game. If they're sniping, wouldn't it be better to just make the games available on PS and take your 30% cut of the game because 30% of $60 is $18 which is more than one month of GamePass... I'm sure the marketing departments have been through every scenario imaginable here multiple times. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings...

[DJStotty]

And then if there is no xbox, why would Sony make a Playstation 6? Why would they need to?

[Futureshark]

Perhaps to keep innovating the technology and pushing the boundaries of what can be done in videogaming, you know, like they have always done.

[RazzerRedux]

None of this Game Pass on PS makes a lick of sense. Does anyone really think Microsoft is going to be willing to share their GP revenue with Sony? Nope. Are they going to hand out even more money to game devs for including the PS version of their games on this PlayStation Game Pass? That stream of revenue keeps getting shallower and shallower.

This will never happen. The most anyone can hope for as far as GP on other platforms is perhaps a xCloud streaming app on Switch. And probably not even that.

[DJStotty]

And Sony will not open their doors for people to log in to xbox live, more chance of a Wii U revival.

[RazzerRedux]

No more or less chance than Microsoft opening their doors for people to login to PSN for whatever reason. Either way, it is irrelevant since that is a secondary consideration for either side to see a benefit from this partnership at all. Besides, all you need is to link your Microsoft account to PSN and Sony has shown they are willing to allow that.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Does anyone really think Microsoft is going to be willing to share their GP revenue with Sony?"

That is the hang up. I'm sure they'd be okay sharing some depending on how much is coming in. It's all conditional and contingent on a lot of variables. Bottom line: They'll probably be world's apart on what they want to share and the cut PS would want if they were willing to consider allowing it on PS. I think a lot of it hinges on Xbox making GP too big to pass on, possibly using Bethesda type acquisitions to force a deal more favorable to them. I doubt it happens, but I suspect that's the plan.

[DnBSkillZ]

Gamepass on ps5 PSnow on Xbox

[waverider]

Not only gamepass. But microsoft going 3rd party path. I hope many understand that is the path of Phil Spencer from the moment that you didnt need a Microsoft console to play Microsoft games day one. The Door is opening step by step.

[Highrevz]

The only ways I could see this happening is if Sony pulled a pro consumer move and allowed gamepass to be available, this would let people on PS5 have access to Bethesda titles.
If there was a real threat of fans picking Xbox over PlayStation then this is something they would possibly consider. Not going to happpen but from a business perspective I could see them considering this

The other way would be if Microsoft stops making consoles and becomes a Complete Subscription service.

Can’t see either of happening personally but you never know.

If the PS5 eventually gets a web browser Theres bound to be someone create a way to stream from gamepass.

I will say that Sony doesn’t need Gamepass on its systems and gamers them selfs don’t need the service, it’s just a nice bonus.

[DJStotty]

They would have to allow xbox live, gamertag logins, and connection to the xbox ecosystem, will never happen.

[Aussiesummer]

It's never going to happen, if anything playstation will rebrand and relaunch ps plus when it's ready worldwide.

[gold_drake]

very slim chance. very very slim chance.
if xbox would slag of sony constantly, i would give it a slim chance, but right now.. nah.

would be stupid to have a rival platform .. on your platform.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Never. We've been told PS NOW is the equivalent of GamePass even though anyone being honest knows that's not true.

At best Sony fans that want this will need to:

Buy an Xbox
Play the available GP titles on PC GAMEPASS
Stream via Xcloud

There is also talk of a GP/Xcloud streaming stick coming in the near future.

[CYALTR]

"There is also talk of a GP/Xcloud streaming stick coming in the near future."

This is a much more likely scenario

[Tedakin]

Xbox wants Gamepass everywhere, but putting it on PS5 would destroy the Xbox console brand. Why would anyone buy the console if you could get a PS5 and have everything? Plus Sony probably doesn't want Xbox having such a huge presence on their platform, getting money from PS gamers that could be going to Sony instead.

[Thundercat77]

Not gonna happen. Doesn't even make sense.

[Germaximus]

lol Do you mean PS Now? Which has been infinitely better?

[RaiderNation]

The only scenario where I.could see Gamepass coming to PlayStation would be in the form of streaming through xCloud. I can't see Xbox studios working on native PS5 versions of their titles for PlayStation owners to download.

[iplay1up2]

Not going to happen. Microsoft has a great thing going. Series Xbox consoles sell out fast too. Game Pass has a ton of games optimized for the new Gen

[ocelot07]

Nope won't happen unless Microsoft just give up selling hardware. Maybe that's there end goal at some point? Stop selling hardware and have gamepass available everywhere. Switch, Playstation, PC, Phones, TV's, Streaming devices (Fire TV).

I can't see how Sony would have anything to loose but only gain from it? They would see profit from it and with no threat from Microsoft anymore no matter if it was only small in the first place. Microsoft would probably see a bump in subscribers. But again I very much doubt it would happen.

[DOMination-]

It'll only happen if SIE agree to put their own games on GP. It won't happen this gen.

[Angrymorgan]

If it does happen, xbox wouldn't need to make consoles anymore, they would become the netflix of the gaming industry, and I would absolutely use gamepass on my ps5

[miccasx]

E DIFICIL

[DaveZero]

If gamepass ends up on playstation I feel that's Sony acknowledges there wrong when MS tried to sort cross play out, have closer ties with Sony, bring business closer between Xbox and Sony and Sony are having to come to there senses about some things.

Let's face it Sony, Nintendo and MS all do there own work to make this industry better, they would all benefit more learning from each other and making there platforms more of a better place by borrowing ideas that the others have.

Maybe now Sony have seen what MS can do and that the Bethesda buy was a statement and Sony know not having Bethesda games on playstation would in fact not be a good experience for playstation Owners, gamepass would be the best choice which now helps Sony and MS out.

[DaveZero]

There is something no one sees a potential move happening.

MS and Sony discuss in a meeting. Sony says what's up MS, MS says yo Sony we got some business in tha house. So MS goes on to say it's like this Sony, we own Gamepass and have just bought Bethy, yet you want Bethy games on your console and that's fine for us so long as Gamepass is on your console as well. Sony says yo G this ain't the way it's sposed to flow, MS says you Bizatch we ain't finished listen up Bro. Sony says go on then Bruh, MS then says we get the G Pass on the Sony P, yet we stop making consoles and help fund the playstation so long as we get a slice of the pie to. Sony says so what your saying is it's pie you want, you want to front money for the costs of making our Console in the future but want some coinage, you also want G pass on playstation and what do we get, MS replies don't be so sour, you get your console made with much less cost, get G pass added to playstation and keep Bethy games flowing. Sony then replies I feel yeh dawg to which MS says bruh we ain't done just yet, sit yo ass back down, the kicker is coming. Ms goes in to say: so Sony yo, we want to see some of those awesome looking exclusive first party games on our G Pass and Sony says whhhhhhaaattt the F MS, MS says don't start being the Bizatch again, just listen Homey. So yeah bring us those awesome looking exclusives you have and we will help again with more cash in the development cost.

Sony says finally so what your saying is your willing to sugar daddy this operation, get your G pass on our console, Bethy games still flow on our station, front cash for cost of console development and exclusive development but we have to pay you slices from all these pies. MS says well what do you expect Sony the moment you walked into this meeting you solicited yourself for doing whatever we wanted, take note of your Japanese friend under the table right now giving friendlys. 😂.

Of course none of this is likely to come to pass and not one employee was ever treat like that under a table.

[RazzerRedux]

Don't drink and post, dude.

[Miacosa]

Only way I can see this happening is if its only first party MS Studio games like an EA Play or Ubisoft+ and the revenue split is amicable to Sony. It would basically negate Xbox hardware not sure Microsoft wants to just be a publisher of games at least not just yet, however, it sure looks that way. If you look at Netflix they are everywhere but they don't produce boxes like Roku, Nvidia Shields or Apple TVs.

[Bender6502]

It wouldn't make sense to either side for Game Pass to exist on Sony platform. However, that doesn't mean other collaborations won't happen. I'm sure Sony understands that their current business model is rapidly becoming outdated. And while I prefer their old style approach in some ways we have already seen Sony themselves committing more of their games to other platforms - Well, PC at least.

As for console wars, that too is outdated. Great games, at regular intervals and low cost is the future. And I know this is quickly becoming a cliche, but Apple,Amazon and Google are the real competition. Sony, has always been reliable in their first party titles, and while MS or others couldn't match that, Sony, was doing enough. But what happens when MS, et al does match them, and even exceeds them?

[mkis007]

Game Pass is just an excuse for more dlc. You don't get the dlc for free. Games will get smaller so they can charge your for the sub and the addons. Then you are forced to sub to keep your addons.

[Malacath]

Not going to happen.

Whats more likely to happen is Sony will go all in on PS Now and start putting their first party games on there day one.

This will be real competition to Game Pass and competition is good for everyone.