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Bethesda is great, but Xbox Game Studios — you're not off the hook

Microsoft is building a huge platform for its gaming future, and that includes home-grown games from teams within Xbox Game Studios. A question of quality and consistency has hung over Xbox in recent years as it pertains to games. Can Microsoft change? Does it even need to change?

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RazzerRedux41d ago

Definitely not off the hook. Bethesda being owned by Microsoft doesn't improve Xbox Game Studios game output at all. In fact, for PC gamers like myself, the acquisition is meaningless. I've always bought Bethesda games on PC and I will continue to do so. Meanwhile, Xbox Games Studios continue to languish and lag behind. Great knowing The Initiative is working on Perfect Dark, Playground is working on Fable, and Obsidian is working on Avowed. But until they deliver we are still in this same "wait mode' we've been in for years.

Father__Merrin41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Well I don't agree with you many times but I will on this one. Bethesda or imo general open world titles specifically rpg like fallout skyrim etc are more suited to PC I've all of them on my comp

Jericho133741d ago

The acquisition wasn’t just bethesda though was it. Arkane, id, machine and tango all have a proven track record.

Orchard41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

But why would MS care? They are fine with you buying on PC.

It’s a win for them - previously they got nothing when you bought a Bethesda game on PC - now they get your $$$.

alb189941d ago

Of course it will improve MS Studios, just now they will release a time exclusive to PS5 and looks very promising. There's a lot of potential.

RazzerRedux41d ago

Zenimax/Bethesda will not be a part of Xbox Game Studios.

RazzerRedux41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

@No Way

Xbox Game Studios is the publishing house for The Initiative, Playground, Coalition, etc. Zenimax/Bethesda will continue to self-publish the games for studios under them. Peter Hines made that clear when it was announced Bethesda was being bought by Microsoft.

Imalwaysright41d ago

RazzerRedux

Bethesda will be a subsidiary of Xbox Games Studios wich means that it will be owned and controlled by Xbox Game Studios. What you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. It's like saying that Poliphony Digital and Retro Studios don't improve SIE and Nintendo game output because they are also subsidiary companies.

RazzerRedux41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

@Imalwaysright

"Bethesda will be a subsidiary of Xbox Games Studios wich means that it will be owned and controlled by Xbox Game Studios. "

According to who? Peter Hines said Zenimax will publish their own games.

"What you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. It's like saying that Poliphony Digital and Retro Studios don't improve SIE and Nintendo game output because they are also subsidiary companies."

My entire statement is predicated on Zenimax not being a part of XGS because they will self-publish. How does Zenimax improve XGS, specifically, if they are not a part of XGS? This is exactly the point Corden is making. If I'm am wrong and somehow Zenimax is going to report to Matt Booty while having autonomy in self-publishing then fine. Unless you have information I don't have, everything I've read suggests Zenimax is going to operate as they always have.

"With Microsoft's acquisition of ZeniMax Media, around 2,300 more people are about to become employed by the increasingly gigantic corporation. Acquisitions often come with redundancies and cuts, however, especially when there are big overlaps, as there are with ZeniMax and Xbox Game Studios.

Speaking with CNBC this week, head of Xbox Phil Spencer avoided specifics when questioned about the possibility of cuts, but he did say that Microsoft isn't planning to meddle.

"Our plan is to leave [ZeniMax] alone," he told CNBC. "ZeniMax has an amazing track record of building great games. Our goal is to make ZeniMax the best ZeniMax they can be, working individually with their studios on the great platform technology that we have, getting their creators' feedback into the things that we need to go build.""

https://www.pcgamer.com/mic...

So Zenimax is going to report to XGS, but XGS can't meddle with Zenimax? Again, if you have different information about how this is going to be structured, I would genuinely love to read it.

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OptimusDK41d ago

Like something I have heard before... Greatness awaits, maybe. Why is Sony always getting a free pass.

They have nothing right now, and a lot will be pushed back to 2022/23.

RazzerRedux41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

You really want to talk about Sony's output? lol...ok. Fact is Sony doesn't need a pass. Sony actually delivers great games. Not sure where you've been the last 8 months but in that time frame Sony released four AAA games including the GOTY. Microsoft brought back Flight Simulator and that's about it. Hell, the last time Xbox consoles were graced with a AAA first party game from Microsoft was Gears 5 back in 2019.

But if you just have to talk about Sony then let's talk about Sony vs Microsoft. Let's talk about the company that has published GOTY winners three of the last four years. Yep.....Sony. Now let's combine the output from Xbox Game Studios and Zenimax/Bethesda during that same timeframe. How many consensus winners? Zero. How many overall came in second? Zero. Third. Zero. The best the combination of all Microsoft's existing and new studios have done in GOTY awards this entire generation is Fallout 4 which came in second to and was blown entirely away by the Witcher 3.

https://gotypicks.blogspot....

Sony has Returnal, Ratchet and Clank and Horizon Forbidden West up next. And you think Sony gets a free pass? Are you insane?

SenorFartCushion41d ago

Definitely an N4G article title. This site has more PlayStation users than any other, hence the obvious bias.

Sony has made an objectively worst console this generation. The storage issues, the controller’s reported haptic feedback issues, choosing form over fiction with the design of the thing, sending cease and desists to baseplate manufacturers. There’s a lot up to now and, though the game library has already put Xbox’s to shame, the console has been a disappointment for me.

RazzerRedux41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

@senorfartcusion

"Definitely an N4G article title. This site has more PlayStation users than any other, hence the obvious bias."

You are confused. The title and article are from Jez Corden of Windows Central, one of the most Microsoft friendly sites around. The article was submitted by rlow1 who is far from a Sony fanboy. In short, you are making up a whole lot of bullshit because you don't like what is being said.

Your subjective opinion on the PS5 is irrelevant.

Kornholic41d ago

@senorfartcushion

MS has made a console full of bottlenecks. The theoretical tflops count means nothing when your console isn't designed properly.

P_Bomb41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

You do know Returnal is on the cusp of release? Destruction All Stars just dropped.

Kilua41d ago

Awwwwwww that is so cute

Tetsdah41d ago

@Razzer

What is bananas is that they had launch games as exclusives. And still have 3rd party new titles coming out, ontop of having a massive 2020. Their output is fairly good, especially in comparison to the competition and 1st year of the ps4.

@Optimus

The possibility of delays still affect either one wouldn't you agree? Infinite can be delayed again as well. Ratchet can be delayed, as well as Horizon. We can only hope MS has more to announce for this year. Because if Halo gets delayed again, that will be another year without a noteworthy exclusive except Medium maybe. They may have surprise announcements and releases, but that can apply for Playstation.

Godmars29041d ago

@Tetsdah:
"that will be another year without a noteworthy exclusive except Medium maybe."

Think the thing you're missing is that Sony's had several noteworthy exclusives for the PS5's launch, where Xbox only had the one. And odds are that Ratchet and Clank will be out before Halo Infinite.

"And still have 3rd party new titles coming out,"

???

3rd party? You mean games coming to the PS as well? The main complaint about Xbox is 3rd party reliance, that they have to buy studios just to say they have anything effectively 1st party. What's the point of even saying what you said?

jambola41d ago

because they had a great generation and don't have as much to prove

Milkshake21240d ago

@SenorFartCushion
Objective? More like a subjective opinion on the PS5.

Tetsdah39d ago

@Godmars

3rd party such Persona Strikers. Gas that been announced for Xbox? Then they have 3rd party timed exclusives such as Deathloop. Not to mention that if FF16 comes out this year, it may be exclusive to ps5/pc.

Microsoft I'm not disagreeing with Sony having more exclusives. I just find it funny Optimus said Sony is granted a free pass despite having more 1st party, 2nd party, and 3rd party exclusive content.

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AngelicIceDiamond41d ago

Of course they're not off the hook they haven't produced yet they just been baking. MS won't be off the hook for awhile the next few years will determine that imo.

"In fact, for PC gamers like myself, the acquisition is meaningless. I've always bought Bethesda games on PC and I will continue to do so."

that's why for 5 years they've been putting their games on PC for PC gamers like yourself. So MS gets paid you get to enjoy so no nothing changes on your end.

Orchard41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

It may not impact XGS but it will have a huge impact on Xbox since Zenimax will be part of Xbox. That plus they’ve made good forward looking investments in XGS - just got to wait for them to come to fruition.

But at the end of the day, it won’t really matter to MS because Xbox is a Xbox - it doesn’t matter where Zenimax sits within the Xbox organization.

Realistically though, it will probably get merged into XGS at some point - once all the acquisition dust settles.

Zeref41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

We weren't in a wait mode, we were in a drought. To be in a "wait mode" you need to have something to wait on. We know what we're waiting for now, which isn't bad at all.

Can't wait to taste the tears when them Bethesda games are announced to be exclusive to Xbox 😏

Notellin41d ago

Pete Hines statement you keep referencing.

"But the key point is we’re still Bethesda. We’re still working on the same games we were yesterday, made by the same studios we’ve worked with for years, and those games will be published by us."

Looks like the games we know about are still being published by them. Everything in that statement is past tense and also vague.

But sure you can just run with whatever you want around here. This comment section is all about misinformation and speculation.

RazzerRedux41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Past tense and vague? Are you serious?

"those games will be published by us."

How does "will be" refer to the past? Everything under development by Zenimax will be published by Zenimax. Phil Spencer explicitly said they were going to leave Zenimax as a publisher intact and "leave it alone". Why would Microsoft keep the publishing arm of Zenimax if Zenimax was not going to publish anything? There is nothing vague vague about any of that.

@Zeref

"We weren't in a wait mode, we were in a drought. To be in a "wait mode" you need to have something to wait on. We know what we're waiting for now, which isn't bad at all."

You mean you didn't know Halo had been in the works all these years? Wait mode or drought, fine, call it what you want, but MS wasn't delivering the games.

"Can't wait to taste the tears when them Bethesda games are announced to be exclusive to Xbox "

They won't be exclusive to Xbox. They will be on PC and that is where I will play them, as always.

FanboysKiller40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

They wanna utilize their tools , abandoning other platforms is a silly idea , look at Minecraft, it's not exclusive.

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Magog41d ago

Funny you chose Hellblade for the pic since they bought that studio too. Their "organic" studios aren't making anything new or exciting.

No Way41d ago

Didn't realize you knew of all the titles?

AngelicIceDiamond41d ago

Well they haven't released anything yet? Stupid comment good lord.

on_line_forever41d ago

Hi guys I came from the future and I want to tell you Bethesda still use the outdated engine

Kornholic40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Yeah, it's quite funny to realize that MS doesn't actually create anything, they just buy. They don't create new studios, they buy well established studios whereas Sony cultivates studios and then buys them.

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BlackTar18741d ago

Beth is good with a ton of hype. The lack of polish on their games means they well never be great unless they fix their sh*t practice

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH41d ago

Always a waiting game with MS...

Godmars29041d ago

How have they ever been off the hook? How didn't the hook get buried deeper with the Halo infinite reveal that as soon turned into a delay?

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