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darthv728h ago

For anyone wondering... yes John will be doing a comparison video of GT7 and this game but it wont be until next month.

purple1018h ago

twitter down in UK btw, on safari MacBook, works on android app.

z2g7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I can tell you right now as an owner of GT7 on PS5 and now playing Forza MS on Series X (both with VRR, HDR etc and yes I sprung for the premium and "took a trip to New Zealand" for early access) Forza Motorsport is better IMO. It looks better, it runs amazing, the simulation is just as good if not better now than Gran Turismo (the one lead I would always give GranTurismo no matter what) and it also and importantly to me isn't silly like gran turismo 7. they aren't trying to make it a "game". its just racing and racing events and a career of racing. no musical challenges, no cafes or silly talking heads. I love GT7 but that stuff is just straight up corny.

even the motion feels better on the track. the cars kinda shudder when the brakes lock up, there's vibration and movement. it makes GT7 feel very clean and computer like. The environments feel better and look better. There's less edge shimmer on Forza, it doesn't have the glow/bloom problems that GT7 has, the reflections with RT are awesome. The replays are better and better looking, it has more graphic modes, and even the new system for upgrading your car is pretty great... and yes feels like an rpg... in a good way. I play them both using the Logitech G29 and G920 racing wheels respectively for each system.

just my 2 cents. people are free to disagree.

mandf7h ago

Small clap for stealth trolling

thesoftware7305h ago

Sounds like an honest unbiased opinion.

I will definitely be checking out Forza.

RaidenBlack5h ago

wow, so people can't voice their own opinions nowadays ....

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eagle213h ago

@z2g I wholeheartedly disagree with your 2 cents. :)

RauLeCreuset2h ago

Huh. You didn't mention anything about GT7 having VR. Kind of strange given your history of mentioning GT7 in comments where you claim to own PSVR2 to give your comments credibility when you bash it, like when you said "aside from gt7, call off the mountain and maybe 2-3 more titles, the launch lineup is also underwhelming."


Or that time you said:

"Where we start running into problems begins with the launch lineup. GT7 is fantastic. Horizon Call of the Mountain while not an amazing game, does s good job of showcasing the power of the unit/ps5. There are other good games as well but the thing is, most of this stuff isn’t new."


And that other time you said "I barely use mine now, save for the occassional gt7 race, but even then I have to convince myself to get the headset out and set it up vs just poppin in a few quick races."


Strangely, this time no mention of GT7 being fully playable in VR. Really strange since you also have a racing wheel setup. As do I. It really adds to the immersion when playing GT7 on PSVR2. I guess you just forgot.

ApocalypseShadow2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Raul, he didn't forget. He decided to ignore the elephant in the room that puts GT7 over the top. Sony's game with VR makes the current Gen only Forza game seem less impressive, less immersive and less innovative.

We know he favors Xbox, so he's going to downplay any advantage GT7 has over Forza or he would have mentioned VR in his abnormally long post.

Sony's game celebrates cars in different ways from driving them, taking pictures of them, selling your car to other drivers, etc. Because GT was the game that put many cars on the map that people didn't know about. It increased car culture, connected games to car manufacturers, created real race car drivers, etc.

He's going to downplay that.

darthv721h ago

GT7 in VR is hella cool... but also not for everyone. Id venture more play it without VR than with. So why not leave the VR out of the argument? Both games are doing some great work representing their respective platforms. It's not difficult to like both (maybe for some it is).

babadivad1h ago


You can if your opinion is sony good, xbox bad.

RauLeCreuset1h ago


"GT7 in VR is hella cool... but also not for everyone. Id venture more play it without VR than with. So why not leave the VR out of the argument?"

1) Because that doesn't change the fact that GT7 is available in VR. I could stop there, but...

2) I'd venture more who have the the required hardware that gives them the option to play GT7 in VR play it in VR over flat screen.

3) Because z2g's own comment history is littered with comments talking about GT7 VR. Here's another:

"Hmm have to check it out. Been waiting for a reason to actually use mine for something other than gt7. Not really into all the cute little vr games that seem to dominate the lineup."

But why mention VR in a lengthy comparison to Forza that hits on other immersive features such as racing wheels, do I have you right? You're capable of better, Darth.

IamFrasierCrane46m ago


“Forza Motorsport is better IMO. It looks better, it runs amazing, the simulation is just as good if not better now than Gran Turismo“

Did you not read this part of his comment?

“So why not leave the VR out of the argument?”

Why would someone omit VR when they’re talking about simulation? Let alone claiming one is better than the other…

RauLeCreuset28m ago

"It's not difficult to like both (maybe for some it is)."

Kicks off a thread of comparisons by posting the first comment to hype a comparison video.

Tries to act above it all when it's pointed out that GT7 has an amazing VR mode while Forza is only flat screen.

Yeah, Darth, you can do better. Preferences or even biases aside, you usually try to comment in good faith. You know you're trying to backup a bad faith argument.

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Obscure_Observer6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"For anyone wondering... yes John will be doing a comparison video of GT7 and this game but it wont be until next month."

From what I seen so far, GT7 won´t stand a chance.

FM is just on another level.


SwissCheese6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Holy hell... that looks insane. The track reflections & lighting are unbelievable.

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blackblades5h ago

I seen some random comparison on twitter, GT looks better but then again cant trust Twitter people that much. Mostly the main difference is the car has more details in GT

darthv725h ago

Yeah... you just cant tell from twitter comparisons. Especially if someone is using replay mode instead of actual racing. GT7 offers improved visuals (like RT) in replay mode. Race mode lacks RT unlike this game.

Moonman1h ago

GT will always look better than Forza. Now and forever. Polyphony Digital are true artists.

Sonic18814h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Is it necessary to do a comparison video on almost a 2 year old game 🤔 but then again Horizon Forbidden West came out almost 2 years ago and it still looks better than Starfield so I guess you can do a comparison with an old game

darthv724h ago

Well... in this video they compare to FM7 which came out 6 years ago and it is a dramatic improvement over that. The next logical comparative would be how it holds up against the most recent GT release.

purple1013h ago

That is hilarious.

I think everyone has to agree no which one is better and they are just good at different things.

I play pretty much cod a gt7 only but even I can see they made an improvement to

1. Trees
2. Lighting
3.weather effects.
4. Details of tracks

GT always handled better though and has music while driving. So that's why I like it.

Also the Forza premium car pass leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Making people pay for 42 cars AND lifetime double XP, Vs normal gamepass version stinks in my opinion.

badz14918m ago


Horizon Zero Dawn (2017) looks better than Starfield

eagle212h ago

I can't wait for the comparison (by Digital Foundry) but many have side by side comparisons already on Youtube. And Gran Turismo 7 is winning. :) Gran Turismo 7 is sexier than this new Forza. Forza looks generic and unrealistic in comparison.


SwissCheese2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

If you're looking for a comparison video that makes GT7 look good - this isn't it.

GT7 looks and sounds so flat and dated. The car doesn't even appear to have a windscreen in the first person view 😂

darthv722h ago

it looks like whoever captured the footage was using performance mode of FM and a replay on GT7. In performance mode of Forza, there is no RT but there is in Performance RT as well as Visual modes. On GT7, there is no RT during racers... only in replay mode. Obviously they wanted to portray GT in the best light and that is only in replay whereas FM looks great in game as well as replays thanks to offering RT in almost every mode.

Moonman1h ago

Gran Turismo 7 was released in 2022 and looks 2025. Forza looks last gen 2017.

NenRenUser1h ago

Holy crap! What a massive difference why does Forza look like those old NFS games in PS3/360 days?

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SwissCheese8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

I know racers get away with higher visuals than other game types, but this game just looks insanely good, like nothing else seen before.

Next gen racing is finally here boys. Start your engines!