CDPR: "Dear gamers, we are committed to fixing bugs and crashes and will continue to work and improve the game via future updates."
Q: Didn’t you test old-gen consoles to keep tabs on the experience? A: We did. As it turned out, our testing did not show many of the issues you experienced while playing the game. As we got closer to launch, we saw significant improvements each and every day, and we really believed we’d deliver in the final day zero update. So new year same old lies from this pos company. Consoles aren't PCs. If they played this game on a base PS4 and base Xbox One then it is impossible they didn't see the problems that people have with them. We're not talking about some random bug we're talking about horrible framerate, textures that take forever to load, poor visuals, horrible bugs, and so much more. It's one lie after another with them. It's also ridiculous that they act like this game is perfect on PC when it's full of bugs, poor AI, a lifeless world, and so on on there too.
I don't know how they can bullshit to our faces and pretend like they never saw anything wrong They are really saying that despite all of their testing, all the Quality checks, the play testers and whatever else is in place, they hardly saw any of the issues on last gen consoles, even going far to say they saw improvements That's so f******* bad man
They've learned nothing. They're making what they think are the right noises to slither back into the good books. Less talk, more action. Give us the results that should have been there for us at launch and then move on to more content for this game or go to the next one - and SHOW us you've changed.
Wow! This guy literally thinks we're a bunch of F*#king idiots!? How are some gamers cool with this? Sure some of y'all PC's can run it good but think outside the box people! We can't let them get away easy on this one otherwise they won't learn anything and just repeat the same thing next time around.
From what i remember from leaks from the devs, they claim the execs knew the game was buggy but they didn't really pay attention or the people under them who are supposed to inform them downplayed it and they figured they would have them fixed by launch with the day 1 patch, but the devs knew it was not going to be ready. If that is true it's retarded none of the execs decided to play the game before launch.
What's worse is that he's throwing all the QA on the team (all 65+ of them) under the bus with statements like that.
In the video the leadership team took full responsibility for the shipped product and said that their testing was inadequate, the older consoles were challenging to work with, and COVID also played a role. I'm not sure what is wrong with what was said. Did you expect them to say that are testers are losers, our team sucked, and we should just dig and hole, jump in and bury ourselves? There is a delicate balance in a video like this. Comin out and saying we should've did better and not blaming the people working there as they put in huge hours probably to do the best they could do. You don't want to tell your team they aren't smart or valuable. But, at the same time you are trying to say we need to do better. I think that he did that well. They've promised three new patches, free dlc, and the nextgen updates in the second half of the year. This situation just reminds me of why I don't buy games on day one anymore, Wait about 6 months on SP games and about a year on MP games, and other people go through the frustration and I just enjoy the game from end-to-end.
Typical DAMAGE CONTROL
Could it be possible that they have way lower standards for what is actually acceptable? Not trying to make excuses at all for them because to me its unacceptable. Just wondering if the people they had doing QA testing really do honestly think it was in good shape?
I think a big part of it is that they don't understand that a greater number of gamers are becoming aware of framerate and are also less willing to tolerate bugs. If you go back and watch GTA V on PS3 and 360, you'll find drops into the low 20s. Bethesda titles from that era would be similar, and were also loaded with bugs (New Vegas on PS3, anyone?). I think they gambled that people playing on base consoles still were not the type to get worked up about or even notice performance issues. Ten years ago they might have gotten away with it.
@Jeece A big thing you are missing though is that all of those games you mentioned were shown before hand to at least give gamers an idea of what they were getting into. CDPR showed nothing but PC footage leading up to release and misled people into thinking that the console versions would be a similar experience. Heck reviewers weren't even allowed to use their own footage which isn't something you ever really see.
They explicitly disallowed reviewers from posting PS4 footage. If YongYea or Laymen or whomever had said PS4 was crap, they'd be blackballed from reviewing for CDPR. Still think CDPR didn't know?
Game looks great but where tf is all the traffic? If you are not in the city literally no cars on the road. Cops also spawn out of thin air. The wanted system is straight up non-existent. Im playing on PC but its clear the open world needed another 6 months EASILY.
And games journalists are the ones who, when giving us the final preview of Cyberpunk, were praising Night City for how big, alive and captivating it was.
@Foxtrot I can't help but think that some of the rage directed at the company should go towards all of those day one reviewers and the gamers that fall for their nonsense. Don't get me wrong. CDPR needs to be held accountable for its misleading marketing. However, at the end of the day this manipulative launch would never have happened if the Day One reviews hadn't put the game at a 93 on Metacritic. I ultimately played it on PC and, while I enjoyed it, it was definitely buggy and immersion breaking in places. I don't see how having a PC copy of the game to review really could have effected the review scores all that significantly. This launch highlights something we all know about and largely ignore. Game criticism is almost entirely under the control of the publishers. If they want their game to launch with perfect scores or even win game of the year they can just make it happen. I know the gaming community often blames this on casuals, but casuals by definition don't consume that much gaming media. When was the last time that friend we all have that just plays FIFA and GTAV went online to look for a game review or watched an award show. It's the hardcore gaming community that fell for CDPR and believed it could do no wrong. They are the ones who pre-ordered the game in droves a year before it released. The problem starts there.
CDPR edited the game page so 2077 is officially "action-adventure" genre, not an RPG. People still think the RPG mechanics and open world are going to get "fixed". Wake up Samurai, you just got burned.
TGG Even on pc this game is a mess with all the bugs and glitches. From broken police system , to poor NPC who disappear right when you turn the camera away. How about npc walking in circles something they Skyrim got right on very old hardware. The amount of excuses from gamers depending this is not surprising since gamers are the biggest Hippocrates because they will defend one game if it's coming from their favorite company but then they'll bash another game if it's not coming from their favorite company for the same issues Here's a case in point electronic arts puts micro transactions in Star wars battlefront 2 in the internet blew up yet Ubisoft has been adding XP boosters to single player games and gamers are okay with it and they make excuses like well you don't have to buy them until we as gamers decide enough is enough and everybody is going to be getting equal treatment nothing is going to change. What's really stinks is when I saw a common saying well when Witcher 3 launched it it was also very buggy so cyberpunk 2077 will be fixed over time, then why are the developers charging full price for something that will be fixed over time Stop with excuses this game was the most hyped game in past 10 to 15 years and it did not meet expectations it launched when it was not ready whether we were talking about consoles or PC this game is a buggy mess with a lot of glitches everywhere
The only things Ng a high end of does is brute force a higher frame rate and even then it's not smooth or stable. All the bugs and glitches remain. They should have released in the summer on pc then console during fall '21
CDPR refusing to let reviews & footage of the console versions when the embargo was lifted told it all that they were hiding.
Exactly they knew what shape this game was in and even on pc it's a mess so it's not like pc gamers got the compete version. As a gamer what's really sad is this game had so much hype and potential and we as gamers felt like CDPR will do is right because they are pro consumers than they didn't even show gameplay for all platforms
How many of you have actually played it on the base consoles?
CDPR explicitly demanded in their review embargo that you could NOT show your own footage of the console versions, and you could NOT talk about the console versions. You had to use their (pre-rendered, PC) footage to show the game in the best light on consoles. Still want to pretend CDPR didn't know?
As a QA lead in a software company...."infuriating&q uot; would be the word. 100% the QA testers knew what was up. If I was one of them at that company, I would be speaking out against every lie these guys are stating. Yes, they would get fired for doing that, but the public would easily back them up and help them with any financial downfall that might have caused. These obvious lies are not helping anything.
i think one of two things when i heard this from him: 1) their QA team is non-existent, insufficient or just bad. OR 2) they've created a work environment where QA engineers are afraid to speak up or be too "negative" because they're always met with hostility. I've seen both of these things IRL.
2nd half of 2021 is a long way off. Lets see in 10 days, what they've able to improve.
Yeah, this game is going to fade off quick I think. PC players have beaten it and now it doesn't look like any content at least till the summer by gauging that timeline. What a let down. This game had so much potential and now it's just a joke.
Actually many PC players waited it out coz they wanted to upgrade to newer GPUs and then play the game (Since both launches coincided). So becoz there was shortage of GPUs in 2020, they'll instead pick it up in 2021. For console players ... many also waited for the console version reviews and ultimately refrained from buying. And are waiting for either performance stability patch for previous gen or current-gen upgrade patch.
And people thought I was joking when I said 2021 Holiday for next-gen upgrades on console.
I certainly wasn’t expecting it to be so late in the year. I hope I am still interested in the game by then.
I'm assuming, combined with the tons of updates they'll have to do over the next 3-4 months just to get the game stable, they have a requirement to maintain focus on the DLC per shareholder agreements to their schedule. Those take precedence over the free next-gen upgrades.
Yes I think this game will be better come late next year and we might even be looking at 2022 just for them to keep patching/updating Not sure even if CDPR have the guts to announce any dlc/expansions until this game becomes very stable on all platforms. Making this game stable and playable is what the priority has to be right now. They have lost estimatedly close to 1 billion dollars since the launch of this game via stock market/refunds
They showed in the video that DLC would start to release about 3 months.
Haha, well it is a joke - the whole damn situation!
I'm not even sure that's gonna happen. Roadmaps from CD Projekt are about as useful as a one-legged man at an ass-kicking contest.
At this rate it might be best if they just relaunch the game when the next gen updates are ready, along with the DLC etc. They've been burned by shareholder expectations, I hope they don't repeat the same mistake by allowing shareholders to dictate their schedules, instead of the QA and dev teams - who are the ones who know when the content is ready for market.
For me the biggest problem is the difference in what they presented in gameplay videos to what we actually received. I know stuff changes in development but the game is not the deep RPG they were advertising.
Like the first 40 minute gameplay where they said "everything you see is potentially subject to change"? And boy did they warn us! lol
Strat-edgy on youtube talks about this in his review of the game. The problem is that they had all of the hardcore rpg fans thinking it would be more like a CRPG with branching narratives and player agency. Instead they made it like a modern Bioware rpg. The story is decent, but it was very misleading. I liked the story telling in this game, but I can certainly see why people were disappointed.
This. I am lucky enough to play this on a high end PC. I beat everything I can in this game. This is absolutely nothing like the game they advertised and showed off over the years. That's the real crime.
Just shut up and fix it...ffs🤦♂️
They can do both, just FYI. It's literally his job to do this while the people who can fix the game are doing just that.
It is indeed his job to lie in order to try and appease fans and investors.
Q: Didn’t you test old-gen consoles to keep tabs on the experience? A: We did. As it turned out, our testing did not show many of the issues you experienced while playing the game. As we got closer to launch, we saw significant improvements each and every day, and we really believed we’d deliver in the final day zero update. You know what? F them. And late 2021 for the next gen updates? I'm returning my copy, thank god it's still factory sealed.
I once had faith in this company. Now I see them as complete scum. Fix the game and stfu you filthy lying scum.
Did he just say one of the founding principles of CDPR was honesty and direct communication with gamers? I wonder, what changed them?
I’ve been waiting for the refund & haven’t played since before the last update. Now I’m stuck between playing it now on PS5 (was PS4 Pro) & be done with it or wait for the next-gen upgrade. At this point the worst has happened for me which is making fun of the game.
" we never saw any of these problems on console while we were working on it. "BULL. There is no way they tested the game and had no problems. No way in hell. They lied then and they are lieing now. I am still getting the game but probably not till next winter when its actually complete.
I'm having a lot of fun with the game. I'll probably plat. it because I like it so much, but I knew what to expect. Anyway, nothing to defend here really, but since I like their company I am willing to give 'em a second chance. But if this becomes a habit, then I'll wait for bargain-bin every time after, or playing something else instead. And yeah, I'm a hypocrite and I don't care.
I'm playing on a One X and haven't had any game breaking problems. There is the usual frame rate drops and some weird glitchy tearing and stuff, but unfortunately this is pretty common in big games like this. I'm slogging through it slowly, by the time I finish, it should be a pretty good fixed game. Glad I bought physical, at least when I'm done I can sell it on eBay and recoup some of my money. I figure by then, maybe the game will be in better shape and there might be a market for it. Not defending CDPR in any way. They have made a total mess of this whole launch. Just sharing my personal experience.
I hear you. I'm keeping my physical copy, though. And I will probably be playing this game off and on for the next 2 or so years or more depending on what direction they take. I mean, I'm 70 hrs. in on just one path. If this game continues to improve, it will probably be a 1000 hr. game for me.
This game was mainly smoke and mirrors...and they were FULLY AWARE of it! Take for instance the way they HEAVILY promoted the ability to customize genitals. This was meant to give us the impression that the character creator was extensive and innovative, when in reality it was FAR from either of these things! For me, this represents the game in it's entirety. A grand illusion.
I appreciate this video. He didn't have to do it but he took responsibility for it unlike a lot of crappy games we have gotten from other companies that never gets fixed after paying $60 bucks. I'm sure he realizes that they have lost a lot of respect, credibility and business from gamers far and wide. I'm sure that's the purpose of this video. What's cool about it now is he has put his company's *** on the line with this video. If they don't get this all fixed right as he laid out, he will further damage the company for good. I got talked into keeping the game that I play on my XBOX1X. I had it wrapped up ready to be returned. The first patched fixed quite a bit to make it playable but it has a ways to go to get it completely fixed. What I've been playing is indeed a massive detailed game that I believe they bit off more than they can handle. They were probably bleeding tons money in development and in a desperate move just released the game to make up the cash and probably keep the company afloat. Obviously some major mismanagement going on a CDPR but there is much more to this story than he can or is willing to say. Many gamers don't use common sense and less business sense. It make no sense for them to release a buggy game that is almost unplayable on several machines. It doesn't benefit them at all. They clearly know what they were doing so I don't buy they did not know the game was that bad of a state. They knew. Maybe he did not know when he made the decision but I'm sure several knew the game wasn't ready and either he ignored it or they did not inform him. Nevertheless, its 100% on him. We don't care to know the details, just fix the **** game....quickly
that literally sounds like an excuse to cover their behinds. they need to realize that custunors aren't stupid.
You should have pushed the game back a few more months made it a 2021 release with no bugs and making sure it runs on old gen. Instead you decided to push it out the door fast for the holiday season and turned it into a 2020 sinking ship that you have to patch as you go. How about also fix the fucking game before you start the pipe dreams of DLC and multiplayer. How many people are actually going to keep the game that long just to see how many patches it will take to try and save this sinking ship? Passing out refunds like toilet paper, Sony taking it off their digital store, two law suits, the staff who worked their asses off thinking they are making a game that people will love want answers why this game is a mess, the amount of money that went into advertising Cyberjunk as the must have game, and who knows how much Keanu Reeves made for being in the game I heard he funded the game not sure if that is true. I am not going to buy a Cd Projekt game day one anymore. And I doubt I am going to keep the game long enough to count how many patches it will take to make Cyberpunk playable. Honestly I am really curious to hear what Keanu Reeves thinks about this game and the shape that it's in.
The problem is that Cyberpunk should never have been released on old hardware. It should have released on PC first (like all Rockstar games - done correctly) or vice versa and the next generation versions in 2021. They became greedy or just stupid decisions.
Problem is a PS5 and Series X are rare out in the wild unless you want to pay a stupid price for the scalpers but hey its your money. Yes PC would be good for the game but who is to say that the game wouldn't be a pile of shit on PC as well but then you're cutting off sales if you just focus on Series X and PS5. There is a higher user base on XB1 and PS4 because like I said PS5 and Series X are hard to find so to add up more sales you have to add in PS4 and XB1 because of the higher user base. They should have ran more tests for PS4 and XB1 before they launched the game I would have been happy if the game was pushed until it was ready. But no they pushed it before it was ready for the holiday season sales and now look at it from a dumpster fire to a sinking ship. Now I don't know where you think everybody in the world has a PS5 and Series X unless you know of a magic genie that grants wishes that pops out next gen consoles like CD Projekt hands out refunds you're logic is flawed. It's common economics push the game out on as many platforms including PS4 and XB1 because again higher user base compared to Series X and PS5 if you can find one because you seem to think everybody has a PS5 and Series X as far as I know I haven't seen one in a store for months they again are rare.
It was intended for old hardware. Look at their old adverts. There is not one mention of next gen. hardware, so they should have released it on old gen, then scaled up like he said.
to anast: You're so wrong. 1. First, they have to take this into account if their game on paper is so ambitious that in the future (8 years later) the fixed hardware will not get faster ... just like PC hardware and they will have to give up on this idea later and only release it to the new generation of consoles. 2. Second, Cyberpunk is a game developed for PC 100% (the platform they prefer) and only later will it be ported to consoles when development is nearing completion...obviously they knew the numbers sold on the last gen consoles and went greedy. PC + next gen would definitely have been enough ... given the hype and their PR. 3. If we want to find ANY logic to release on the previous generation, Xbox One / PS4 should have been the main development platform, then MAYBE the end result would have been better, but since this is not the case, it is impossible to protect CDPR.
"I am not going to buy a Cd Projekt game day one anymore." That should be for all games IMHO. Have some patience, give it a week or so, and never, never fall for a preorder!!
I think this is a step in the right direction. I cannot think of any other occasion where a ceo of major game company basically comes out and apologises for one of their games. Anyway, i am enjoying cyberpunk and looking forward to future updates/expansions.