DualSense ruined shooters for me

"Why? Because it's too good. I'm finding myself needing the haptic feedback in all games to really appreciate them. I know, I'm spoiled, but I hope Microsoft gives us something similar or even better"

[DJStotty]

Why no PS5 tag when this is an article about Dualsense? Instead we have a Series X tag and Gears 5?

(I would have created a report but i cant lol)

[SullysCigar]

I understand why the tags are there, but yes, PS5 needs adding.

He's saying games without haptic feedback and adaptive triggers feel as if they're not the full experience and giving examples.

[DJStotty]

Yeah i understand the tags, just needs a few more adding.

On topic, i hope MS adapt the controller to implement something similar, i can't see it though.

[mikeslemonade]

Dual Sense(DS5) is the most overrated controller. The triggers break easily and I predicted that.

[Babadook7]

@Above. I’ve never heard that even once. I’ve heard many people praise it though, even Xbox faithful who s as Kai bought ps5 so it’s unlikely there is an issue with triggers breaking.

[mikeslemonade]

^
Search PS5 loose triggers on YouTube. Just the whole feel of it when you are on resistive triggers is not a good idea. I’d turn off that gimmick if given a chance. That’s a easy way of ruining your $70 controllers.

[AspiringProGenji]

Yeah you tell us @Mike how Sony would sell some defective feature to break controllers... oh wait my iPhone also has haptics... should I check it inside to see if its broken too?

[DJStotty]

No Mike,

I disagree, the DS5 is not overrated, that is proven by being the most sold peripheral of the current generation.

[mikeslemonade]

^
The Wiimote was also a record seller, but I wouldn’t confuse that as a good controller.

@Aspiring
I didn’t say it was a conspiracy that Sony did it on purpose. But they also didn’t do a good job at testing and correcting it. And resistive triggers is a gimmick, I prefer the smooth triggers on the Xbox. I play on both PS5 and Series X evenly.

[S2Killinit]

Mikeslemonade is doing some olympic level backflips over here. Reeks of desperation (as my fellow Demons Souls players would say)

[SullysCigar]

"Search PS5 loose triggers" - yeah, because you'd never get idiots making fake reports on YouTube due to favouring another brand...

If you have to search for it, it's probably either fake or not wide spread. You could search "man sets fire to neighbour's cat" and probably find a few instances, that doesn't mean all people are broken and evil.

[mikeslemonade]

^haha just keep denying it. Keep using those triggers that way and you will find out. It's just common sense the mechanism doesn't feel that sturdy. Then next you will blame sony that your $70 controller is ruined and then cry for a refund from Sony.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
watch this video, he's a review channel of consumer electronics, he has both consoles.. so he's not partisan for one over the other. Then read the comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...
many topics about this on reddit. Google loose triggers reddit and there's a full page of results and people commenting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
There's even repair guides and read the comments. I'd say it's pretty widespread. My PS3 triggers eventually got loose, but this is much quicker. One month in and there's issues.

[mikeslemonade]

^Muigi
ahahaha add me on PSN to see my PS5 icon, I payed $775 for my PS5. I've already completed Demon Souls several weeks ago.

[GlitchEffect]

Sorry! You're absolutely right. We fixed it! Since the article is also about Xbox Series, we forgot...

[TheProblem]

"I hope Microsoft gives us something similar or even better"

Microsoft aren't creative innovators. They will never do better. In seven years they managed to copy the PlayStation controllers share button.

I'm sure given a similar amount of time they will manage to copy the dualsense to some degree. It will most likely be a poor mans version.

While MS is trying to catch up Sony will have improved their controller tech much further

[Sitdown]

I guess you missed them focusing on latency, or the elite series. Yes, Sony did a phenomenal job, but stop acting like Microsoft is incapable of innovating.

[Thatgrammar]

@sitdown
The PS5 controller has less latency and they didn’t “focus” on latency. What is your point?

https://youtu.be/qD5wPf3GUP...
Start at 5:19 for latency.

[lelo2play]

Well, Sony deliberately copied the Playstation 4 gamepad from the Xbox...

[Rhythmattic]

That grammar..

The misinformation of not being able to replace the battery in PS controllers is just embarrassing....
Unbelievable.

[Drew345]

@lelo2play

Can you explain this? Then DualShock 4 looks nor functions nothing like an Xbox controller. But if you truely believe they copied Microsoft's controller, please explain how.

[gamer7804]

Uh ms started with the impulse triggers... they also made a whole new elite controller that is the best on the market right now so I don’t know what you are talking about. Ms and Sony have both innovated in controllers. Give credit to each platform holder.

[Drew345]

@ Sitdown

The Elite Series is more like a turbo controller rather than a standard one, which is why standard controllers don't use anything from them. Sony has constantly been standardizing the game controller to make games better since they first entered the hardware race. Microsoft would generally just copy from that since they don't take as many risks when it comes to things like that.

Now Nintendo is on a whole other level. They are more like Sony since they are willing to take those huge risks when pushing the controller standards. Sony will just do it a little bit better most of the time.

[gamer7804]

They should add ps5 to the tag But innovation is great for all consoles more games are now adding impulse trigger support for Xbox games now that Sony has pushed their feedback triggers. Like AC Valhalla.

[andy85]

Absolute rubbish mike. With ten million sold there's gonna be some defective. It's electronics. Even if 0.1% are defective. That's 10,000 defective controllers. As with anything the only people who speak up are the oned with issues so it seems far more widespread than it is. You clearly don't own a PS5 cause literally everyone I've spoke to with a PS5 says it's the best controller they've ever used.

[Thundercat77]

Sony really nailed it with the Dualsense. It is indeed the only next Gen controller out there and the new standard.

Pretty sure Microsoft will try to copy the Dualsense.

[DJStotty]

Agree completely, the Series X pad is just an xbox one controller with a share button.

[DJStotty]

Which is just a baby version of the duke lol

[gamer7804]

It’s updated slightly, it also has a better dpad that’s great For fighting games...

[Teflon02]

360 wired control to this day is one of the greatest feeling controllers

[purple101]

Pretty sure it's copyright patented etc..

[Ryushaa]

Haptic motors aren't property from Sony seeming as Nintendo Switch (and some cellphones?) also has haptic feedback. At least I'm certain that the sound actuators aren't a tech patented by Sony.
The Adaptive Triggers are patented, now if it is the idea of motors on the triggers or the Dualsense's specific design is another story.

[porkChop]

Advanced haptic feedback already existed, Sony doesn't own it. HD Rumble on the Switch is essentially the same tech, but it unfortunately isn't used by many devs.

As for the adaptive triggers, I'm not sure regarding any patents.

[mandf]

Haptic feedback feedback is not patented. You way way sony did it is patented.

[Sayai jin]

Not even close. Haptic feedback is not patented. Hence, Sony using it in the lovely dual sense.

[S2Killinit]

Sony’s haptic is different from what we had before as it is designed to mimic audio and its much more versatile. Sony has patents for its own haptics. Additionally, the adaptive triggers on the dualsense are also patented by Sony.

[Babadook7]

It’s strange to have to point this out every fricken time. Haptic feedback =/= resistive.

[DJStotty]

It is patented (think it is the adaptive triggers, not haptic/force feedback, and the way they have put it all together), but Microsoft can implement a different method to get similar results.

That is the only way to kind of "copy" tech. Either that or become licensed to use the patent, which will probably be the easier option for Microsoft.

[RedDevils]

@porkChop Just get dualsense and play on the PS5 and you wouldn't be comparing it to the switch pro.

[isarai]

I really didn't expect to like it as much as i do, i thought it would be neat but not that big of a deal. But damn was i wrong!, it's a literal game changer, and so hard to play a game without it after experiencing it.

[potatoseal]

I don't know enough about electronics so obviously I'm speculating, but I don't think MS can with their design. They have inverted thumbsticks, so on the LEFT side of the controller, I don't think there is enough room to do what Sony have done. The mechanism Sony uses is pretty big.

[cell989]

Good observation

[purple101]

Good point. They literally can't copy it unless they put the stick to where playstation has it. (Symmetrical)

[SullysCigar]

But how would all the people with asymmetric hands play games then? lol

[Soulrakk]

I still think ergonomically they fucked up the PS controller. Imagine a PS controller being bigger & bulkier than an Xbox controller & welcome to 2020. I guess it's OK to have bigger pads in Japan now. DualSense has pretty cool innovations, but the XSX controller feels damn near perfect lying in your hands.

[thejigisup]

Playing call of Duty on the ps5 for a day really changed a lot for me. I like a clean hud and seeing the ammo count has always felt a little tacky to me but after a few hours on my ps5 when I went and played zombies on my roommates Xbox the Xbox controller felt cheap. I imagine as more games take advantage of the haptic feedback and tension in the triggers we will see a much more clear line drawn when it comes to which is better. I would also argue that the dualsense form factor is greater than the xsx bc of the symmetry in the thumbsticks

[BlaqMagiq1]

Hard disagree. The DualSense is the best controller I've ever held that no other controller comes even close. In terms of feel and features it's a masterpiece. Xbox controllers have felt just okay to me. Their dpads are still behind the PS controllers.

[EmperorDalek]

It's nice, but it's not game changing. I don't feel like I'm missing anything when I switch back to the Xbox.

[Deathdeliverer]

Just had to give you that 10th disagree to even you out. Also... I disagree.

[Silly gameAr]

Damn, that's crazy Deathdeliverer, because I just gave you your 10th agree.

[Aclysmic]

Had to give you your 20th agree to even you out.

[potatoseal]

It's the exact opposite. When it goes, I miss it, and when it gets used I'm very grateful. It's freaking awesome and multiplats that use it play best on PS5.

[SullysCigar]

Totally agree. It's a bit like tech in a new car. You get rid of the old one, grab the new one and it has some new features. They look cool enough, but they're not the reason you bought it. You use it for a week and then borrow your mate's old car - THIS is when you understand the value of those new features!

It's like, "How did we even put up with the old crap?!"

[Tapani]

I believe Steam is looking into haptic feedback support for PS5 controller. They've been pretty good with accessibility lately, so PC gamers with a Dualsense can enjoy the games even more than on PS5. That is non-exlusives of course. Exclusives will probably use Dualsense the best anyway, to be honest!

[SullysCigar]

I think they've already got the haptic feedback down - and wireless. It was the adaptive triggers they were working on last I read, but that was weeks ago, so potentially they've done it or at least made progress!

[S2Killinit]

I cant say how great its been with the dualsense. Playing Cal of Duty cold war which would otherwise be a meh game with the dualsense has been a revelation. I cant imagine playing FPS without the added immersion of dualsense now. Looking forward to Destiny now.

[Welshy]

Destiny PS5 update somewhat uses the haptics, it's definitely more nuanced than DS4 rumble but not quite as advanced as Demon Souls etc.

The biggest let down was no trigger stuff at all. Stuff like fusion rifles where you need to jam down and charge up are basically born for something like impulse triggers but it's not there at all at time of commenting :(

Rainbow 6 Siege has pretty good implementation though for both the triggers and haptics. The rumble is way more in sync with what's going on screen and the triggers all match weapon rate of fire etc.

[Einhander1971]

Amazing pad dont be silly.

[Profchaos]

Yeah agreed struggling to enjoy cp combat without it

[Echone1]

I agree. I play Pathless now, and every shot of an arrow is so satisfying

[kryteris]

still needs two paddles.

[Father__Merrin]

The dual sense is a game changer and a true next gen controller. And yes haptic feedback and adaptive force triggers are not the same as standard rumble and rumble triggers in xbox controller

[boing1]

People downplaying DS are sad. I even started using it on my PC because it simply feels better in my hand than Xbox controller. Sony nailed it. They nailed so much that my friends are doing the same, and they don't even have PS5s.

[Bluemaster77]

No one cares for these kind of gimmicks

[SullysCigar]

Clearly you're wrong.

[S2Killinit]

Except anyone who has played with the Dualsense. They are loving it.

[Terry_B]

Where is the problem? All important shooters are coming to PS5 anyway ^^

[Freshnikes]

Question: does Xbox controller have rumble or haptic feedback? After using the ps5 controller the duelshock rumble seems so dated. And the haptic feedback can easily fit in a Xbox controller.

[kingPoS]

How would it fit? With the left analog offset, it takes up more space internally, leaving less room for a more robust impulse trigger or rumble setup without making the whole thing bulkier.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[Freshnikes]

I’m talking about the haptic feedback. Not the adaptive triggers.

[S2Killinit]

If you are talking about Haptic feedback in the Dualsense which mimics the sounds, it is patented by Sony. So the issue isn't really space but whether MS can buy license from Sony.

Although there are other haptic solutions, but they arent the same as Dialsense haptics.

[buffig]

It's crazy how much you miss it when it not there. I've been playing and really enjoying AC Valhalla, and haptics haven't been impmemted nearly as much as I'd like, but I'll dive into the water and suddenly there's a deep bubbly rumble rising to the top of the dualsense and it feels like diving into water. It makes the absence of the technology across much of the rest of the game all the more noticeable. It's superb technology and Sony really has done a fantastic job.

[emoneyjones]

I'd prefer if MS not copy the dualsense. I actually like the build of the series x controller over the xbox one controller. there is a difference, even if minimal, which is fine. I don't need a bunch of gimmicks in my controller if the result would be an added increase in price of the controller

[Welshy]

You say that like the "gimmicks" AKA new features come at the expense of comfort and functionality, which is the opposite of the truth considering on top of the new features the Dualsense is widely considered PlayStation's most comfortable to use controller yet.

I can't wait to come back to this comment in months/years to come when the Xbox controller adds new functionality and you'll be praising it and it suddenly won't be a "gimmick" anymore.

[purple101]

2 things. .. Sony patented it.

And as someone said earlier...due to the analogue stick placement on Xbox, there is no room for the adaptive pressure mechanism on the left hand side. #failure

[emoneyjones]

not in this case but in ds4's case; they do. they add these gimmicks which changes the ergonomics of the controller instead of focusing on a comfortable well built controller. I never said the dualsense wasn't comfortable. just that sony didn't have to put in all this stuff so they could hike the price of controllers. don't worry. if xbox adds anything to the level of what sony added; I won't be praising it. it'll still be just gimmicks because I don't need all that stuff in my controller. especially if it comes at the cost of a price hike

[S2Killinit]

Yeaaa nice try but you wish you had these features in xbox controllers. But sadly that is not possible.

[Goozex]

Never had a prob with mine and never heard of this before

[FlavorLav01]

Yes,...yes it did, in the best way possible! Don’t wanna play shooters or racing games anywhere else now.

[_LarZen_]

I love the DualSense! But besides Astro’s Playroom and Call of Duty Cold War I’m finding the lack of good support to be frustrating.

The rest of the games I’ve tried have some honestly boring half baked support on the triggers. Looking at games like Borderlands3...

Same with the haptics...very disappointing support...looking at you Immortals Fenyx Rising....and the list just goes on.

I hope this is just early days but it is concerning seeing the lack of good support. Even from Sony be it Spider-Man, Sackboy or Demon’s Souls....

[Knushwood Butt]

Dunno about the PS5 version as I don't have a PS5, but Sackboy on the PS4 is a lot of fun. Especially couch co-op.

[CaptainHenry916]

That's because the duelsense is really made for Sony first and second party exclusives. Third-party support will be optional and up to the developers

[_LarZen_]

It’s made for all games. If developers won’t support it then it’s a failure.

[CaptainHenry916]

It's an optional feature. Sony can't force all developers to use it. Last time I checked the PS5 just came out. If they don't support it by year 2 then it's a failure. But Sony first party developers will always support it

[DaveZero]

Overrated and in time another gimmick that unless with further development will just blow on by.

[kingPoS]

Yup, just like clickable dual analog sticks. I wonder what ever happened to those?

Gateway MT6706 2008

[S2Killinit]

Except its not overrated. All the praise, its merited and it only takes one FPS game to demonstrate it. Im loving these things so far. Well beyond my expectations.

[DaveZero]

I turn these daft things off on all my games,for me if the button presses and reacts it's good enough.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Sorry but for FPS games, keyboard/mouse will always dominate. Other games like 3rd person types, racing, platformers, etc a controller will dominate.

[Welshy]

In terms of accuracy or immersion?

Haptics, adaptive triggers, accessibility and stuff of that nature on controllers is far more immersive, but KB&M will always outclass controllers in a competitive or accuracy environment.

It's comparing apples and oranges as they have different strengths.

[jeromeface]

fuck microsoft, just saying

[kingPoS]

In 95 Nintendo surprised everyone with the N64 controller and It's analog joystick. Six months later year, Sega unleashes Dreams for the Saturn and bundles an with new a controller with an analog sticked packed in with it. A year later, Sony quietly releases the dual analog.

Some time later Nintendo surprises everyone with the rumble pack. Not long after, Sony sublely inceptions the world to L3 and R3 and
releases a revised version of the dual analog worldwide, dubbing it the dual shock,

In 2000, Sony tried something different first, and released the dualshock 2, the main difference this time, were the pressure sensitive buttons. The Xbox and GameCube follow suit, with dual analog joysticks and triggers.

Fast forward to 06, Nintendo surprises the world again with the wiimote. Leveraging bluetooth for connectivity an accelerometer and  optical sensor for motion controls and even a built-in speaker, people were wowed. At the same time, Sony debuted the six axis for the ps3.

A whole generation later, Microsoft coins the term 'impulse triggers' while Sony integrates a host of new features into the newest dualshock. Gone are the pressure sensitive buttons, in are the 3.5 jack, touch pad, speaker and share button.

In 2017 Nintendo wows and amazes the world again by building on the foundation of the wiiu and taking it further. With the joycons, the switch combines the functionally of the six axis, the usability of the wiimote and the portability a of tablet.

The year is now 2020 and Sony amazes with the dualsense. Haptic feedback and adaptive triggers in addition with a built in mic have been packed into the dualshock 4's successor. Meanwhile, Microsoft adds a share button bluetooth and the tried and true 3.5 jack to the series X & S controllers.

Watch, learn adapt, anyone notice a pattern. Here's a hint, Everyone's leapfrogging each other.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[Knushwood Butt]

If Switch uses Bluetooth for joycon connectivity, why doesn't it have Bluetooth headphone connectivity?

[kingPoS]

Why bother when the system has a headphone jack and volume buttons to begin with. If you absolutely have to have it wireless, you can always buy a buy a 3.5 to bluetooth receiver.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[Knushwood Butt]

Why would I use wired when I have wireless headphones?

I'm just curious as to whether there is a technical reason or if this is just Nintendo being cheap.

[kingPoS]

It just Nintendo being Nintendo.

They still use friend codes and to this day, refuse to add netflix or any other streaming service beyond youtube.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[Knushwood Butt]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks.

Just sat here setting up a Switch for first use...

[ocelot07]

I do agree jumping from cold war to modern warfare is instantly noticeable. I love modern warfare but it just does not feel right anymore lol.