Even though the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have both already released, Nintendo could steal the spotlight away from both consoles with one move.
Please stop these ridiculous rumors that a Switch Pro will be anywhere near comparable to the PS5 and Series X. First and foremost the hardware isn't there in the handheld / mobile industry, and even the best hardware is held back due to lack of proper cooling in a mobile device thus causing clock speeds to be cut in half or 1/4 in order to not throttle and overheat. Only laptops can take advantage of this hardware and that's because they have large batteries and fans to allow them to run the hardware, and generally only at maximum settings when plugged up, otherwise even those batteries last you 2 - 4 hours. You cannot make a handheld device with the current hardware available that comes remotely close to the PS5 and Series X, or Series S for that matter. A top-end mobile device is still only approaching Xbox One VCR edition in performance and these are only in tablets which are starting to break the 1 TFLOP cap. A Switch Pro would at best be using Tegra X2 which is only a 50% performance boost over Tegra X1 the majority of which is based on higher clock speeds, otherwise, the performance boost is closer to 10% in like for like clocks. Nintendo isn't drastically increasing the clock speeds, so a Switch Pro is only going to be marginally more powerful.
First of all, Ampere based Tegra Orin is what Nvidia's pushing for new platforms. And that's before their ARM acquisition. Next year they're bound to come up with a better SoC complete with Tensor and RT cores. It'll be upto Nintendo how much they'll want to invest. Nintendo was also interested in Samsung's (Exynos+RDNA) SoC. And also, its still not clear what the form factor will be of their next console. (Nintendo in their Corporate Management Policy Briefing doc they just stated "unique integrated hardware-software products" for 20XX) It might be a traditional console with ARM architecture to have a seamless commonality with the Switch. So that devs can make a 1440p/4K RT game for the new console and have a 1080p/720p non-RT version of the same running for the Switch.
We all know how nvidia tried to extort the console industry. All three console makers ran and jumped on AMD. Imagine what a handheld would cost from nividia.nothing less than a grand.
@mandf "We all know how nvidia tried to extort the console industry" ?? Only PS3 used nVIDIA GPU. X360 and Wii were already using ATi (AMD) GPUs. The reason nVIDIA was not considered because, nvidia didn't have an x86 processor offering along with their GPU in a single die. Exactly what was AMD offering as APU (Jaguar-derived) SoC. Hence AMD was chosen. Plain and simple. "All three console makers ran and jumped on AMD" Wii U still continued with IBM CPU and Radeon GPU ... not AMD APU. And later went with Nvidia for Switch.
Raiden Not saying anything you said isnt true but Ms and Nintendo used nividia before. Bothconsoles were hindered by price because of nividia. It will be a while before all 3 of them think about going back to them.
@mandf They'll switch only IF arm based processor becomes powerful enough to rival x86. Arm's already pretty efficient ... just needs the proper IPC to properly flex the power. Why ARM? Coz nvidia acquired ARM and they'll boost the ARM's potential beyond mobile platforms. nvidia doesn't have a viable x86 offering. And the push is already coming for computing. MS already tried with Surface Pro X. The biggest is Apple entirely gradually switching to ARM from x86. Then for gaming? Nvidia has ported many games like Half Life 2 and Doom3 to Tegra powered Nvidia Shield tablets. There's already the popular iPad(s) with huge catalogue of games and of course the main proof of ARM's gaming potential is Nintendo Switch. GTA San Andreas, KOTOR, XCOM runs on simple Android phones.
Too little too late for Nintendo. The pro should have came 2 years ago. But I of course will be getting the pro. I’m trading in both of my Switches for it.
To the article headline writer I got some questions 1 is it going to be 4K (1080p minimum) 2 is it going to be free for current owners 3 how the hell when it hasn’t been announced. Assuming that it’s real we won’t see a “switch pro” or any Nintendo system for the next 2-3 years and by then both big systems will have a bigger install base for it to be a a real competition as going by history Nintendo systems have always been 1-2 generations behind since Super Nintendo/ N64
Nah man, the GameCube was actually stronger than the PS2, but when it underperformed they went for lesser hardware with "new experiences" to try to cut down on costs and present any future big losses.
Some people think Nintendo will magically make a 4k capable Switch. As you pointed out, the technology for such a device simply isn’t available. The best selling Switch games aren’t graphically demanding. Nintendo has no major incentive to upgrade the Switch. The Switch doesn’t have a competing hand-held, and it only semi-competes with the Series S/X and PS5.
DLSS exists. Only need to render at 1080p for a 4k image. I'm certain that it will be on all consoles in a few years. There will be no need for native 4k resolution when no one will hardly be able to tell the difference, and you can get significant boosts in other areas, like frame-rate and more ray-tracing. I don't think people understand how much AI is going to change the industry over the next ten year period.
A Switch Pro is going to be like the PRO is to the PS4, a bit bump in resolution and performance, but don't expect anything too wild because it needs to still be portable and support the previous Switch/Player base, you don't want to alienate them by making games Switch Pro only. I'm basically expecting a bump to 4k and a most consistent 60 fps for games (mainly because most Switch games aren't as graphically demanding as Xbox/PS).
Look only way it’s gonna turn my head is if it’s a home console which trades portability for a shit load of memory and upgrades everything else. Even if it’s just a black box like the dock I’d take it I’ve never taken my Switch out the dock, I’d rather have other things and since they’ve done a portable only version why not a home console only version
Nintendo's home console days are a big question mark. I believe the company is trying to determine if it's even worth investing in anymore after seeing the success of the Switch being equivalent to their previous handheld + console sales. And Nintendo has the issue of being capped at a $349 (realistically a $299) price as the majority of their install base sees that as the golden buy price, which automatically limits them to a Xbox Series S style console.... Which wouldn't be bad for them and honestly perfect for the stylized games they make. If Nintendo were to it the could practically launch a Series S rival in 1 - 3 years time getting the benefit of 5nm parts allowing for better performance at lower power draws, making an even smaller console (size matters to Nintendo, but in the opposite way it usually matters to others 🌝). They can honestly get away with several key cuts as well, so they can make a profit Day 1 as they always try to. A 5nm Ryzen APU would do. APU-CPU: 5nm refresh Ryzen 7 4700U (8/8) APU-GPU: 5nm RDNA 3 APU GPU (16CU or 20CU @ 1.5 GHz = 3.1TF or 3.84 TF) RAM: 12GB GDDR6 (although they could be cheap and go with normal DDR5 or even 8GB) SSD: 120GB NVMe (could even go with a tradition SSD) $299 That basically gives them a smaller Series S that's cheaper to produce and manufacture, that consumers less power while performing practically the same, at an affordable $299 and easily hitting $249 if they needed to.
So with tech not even available a a generation ahead they'll be able to achieve a console the same price as today?
@jukins If they want to stay in the $299 price range, Yeah. Nintendo isn't like MS or Sony in the sense they're okay with taking a loss early on and making it up through online subscriptions and software sales. Nintendo wants to make a profit on everything Day 1, hardware, games sales, and service. That's not to say they won't, but they will do everything in their power and cut corners across all aspects of their console to try to get that point at $349 or less while making money on it Day 1. Which as a business I get 100%, but compared to your competitors and how it ends up affecting 3rd party developers, and as a result your fanbase it's kind of grimy. But Nintendo platforms sell because of their exclusives, and the only 3rd party support they truly care about is the Japanese market and anything else is just gravy, and with those specs its more than enough. Most of these parts will be available next year, and while it's not as powerful in raw performance numbers, the additional architectural improvements and software features of RDNA3 will balance out the raw hardware advantage. An 8-core Zen 2 CPU is still enough to run all games still and is overkill for Nintendo style games. Hyperthreading on the consoles will only really be used to push the most demanding games and exclusives, as many game engines are still designed for up to 8-core CPUs, so it's a place where Nintendo can cut cost and still match the base CPU performance of over 90% of the games developed for PS5, Series X, and S. The 16CUs is a bit on the lower-end, but it makes them a guaranteed profit on the hardware Day 1 and allows the price to possibly be $249 if they want. I'd hope for the 20CU version as it allows it to basically outperform the Series S in every way even with a slightly lower TF count as the architectural changes will likely outperform a 20CU RDNA 2 GPU by a fair amount, and as a result, even the 16CU RDNA3 should be on par with the Series S both of which offer a much better TDP compared to the Series S. 8GB - 12GB is enough for Nintendo style games. 12GB would mainly be for parity with Series S, therefore, potential western 3rd party support. And Nintendo always cheap out on storage, and have been using 32GB while the competition has had 500GB and 1TB for over a decade now with the PS360 ending up with 500GB and the PS4 and Xbox One going the entire generation with 500GB or more. So a 120GB NVMe isn't out of the question as once again it's a huge cost cutter in comparison to a 1TB ($20 vs $100 on the consumer side, so I'd assume $10 or $12 vs $50 or $60 for ordering millions). Hopefully, they at least go for 250GB. So yeah, I stand by it.
Interesting to see how people speculate without understanding anything about technology. It’s wishful thinking that Switch Pro will have anything but a 4K _capable_ device. Technology is not there yet to have a 1080p portable / 4K docked Nintendo console where games would run natively 60fps which is what Nintendo wants from performance, not image quality, point of view. If it’s a DLSS capable 1080p portable, 1440p docked device, and even that’s a stretch, it would not come out in 2021, but in 2022. The tech is just not there yet. Most likely the next Switch would have to be Tegra based due to BC as well, or something very similar so the earlier games would work out of the box. Think of Wii and Wii U, but also how did that go for Nintendo again? I’m pretty sure their Execs are scared of doing a similar mistake. Incremental increase with Tegra 2 or 3 would make most sense and that’s still a nice boost, including image quality if there’s an upscaling tech involved. Nintendo will not sell its products without a significant margin, and if the tech is not there yet, they can’t make money while keeping the most affordable system. Their systems also have a relatively bad build quality, so I’d imagine a 4K capable device would cost more to produce/manufacture as well to make it work. It will be most likely and incremental upgrade, like the New 3DS. I’m sure they are separately thinking of ARM+Ampere/Volta combo next due to the contract they have with Nvidia, but this contract being there doesn’t guarantee it materialises to anything either.
ur right, but they trade off a cheaper console with RIDICULOUSLY expensive controllers and games that never change their prices, and basically a last last gen console software and shop experience. the switch can do nothing but play games. which is fine but its quite idiotic in the times we live in
@Tapani, They probably could do 4k, most Nintendo exclusive games aren't that demanding, but 1440p unscaled to 4k is also acceptable to me, I expect a more consistent 60fps. And you're right they need to support the previous games as well, so it'll be like 3DS to New 3DS or PS4 to PS4 Pro. @ABizzel1, Your dreaming, Nintendo won't change the APU to Zen or include RDNA3 because they still need to support their original playerbase and games, that'll be painful for developers to code and develop for two wildly different versions of the Switch.
@FinalFantasyFanatic I was clearly talking about if Nintendo ever decided to make a home console, not a Switch or Switch 2. The first sentence of that comment says "Nintendo's home console".
With the wild success of the Switch (it is their second best selling console of all-time already), I believe they are going to keep the Switch as similar as possible, just with more power. More storage, higher quality screen(no higher than 1080p), joy-con revision. It will use DLSS, be backwards compatible and have a better battery. Their best bet would be just to make a Nintendo Switch 2. With the new leadership at Nintendo, I think they're going to play it safe and not mess up a good thing by trying to reinvent the wheel again.
@FinalFantasyFanatic My response to Foxtrot was about a home console, not the Switch 2. The Switch 2 will still use pure mobile tech, like a Tegra Xavier. But if Nintendo made a home console in the next 1 - 2 years it would be around the Xbox Series S performance.
Well, they could make a base station that has all of the technology required for 4K. Dock your switch and then you can play 4K games on your TV. Remove the switch and then you are back to portable graphics. I honestly believe this is the only way that can make 4K gaming on a Switch a reality
DLSS seems more likely.
I really hope people aren’t getting their hopes up for a super powerful Switch Pro. I agree a revision is coming, but it’s likely going to be similar to the 3DS/New 3DS. I don’t even think the screen will get a resolution boost. What I think is realistic is a boost in performance so that there will be a frame rate increase, resolution boost so graphically demanding handheld mode games would go from 540p to consistent 720p, docked mode graphics heavy games would go from 900p to 1080p, and slightly faster loading times. Anything more advanced than that and 3rd parties might skip developing for OG Switch altogether. 4K is not in the equation here, unless Nintendo pulls something out of left field and releases a non portable home console only Switch, something like the opposite of the Switch lite. In that case all bets are off and I wouldn’t know how powerful it would be. Probably whatever graphics power $350 could get you, as I think Nintendo wouldn’t like pricing their console higher than that. Of course I’ll wrap this up by saying I’m guessing this solely on past handheld revisions Nintendo has done. 🤷♂️
knowing nintendo it will be more expensive then a PS5 it will launch with Breath of the Wild 2 if they can keep the price at 299 they will have another hit
Gamecube launch price: $200 Wii launch price: $250 Wii U launch price: $300 Switch launch price: $300 What ever makes you think a Switch Pro will cost more than $500?
Xbox and PlayStation consoles often represent good value for money from a hardware standpoint, where Nintendo doesn't. That's not to take a dig at Nintendo, it's just the way they operate. If it doesn't harm their sales and people go out and buy at that price, I'd imagine they won't change that trait any time soon.
@Sully. I agree with you completely which is why I also don't think it will come anywhere near PS5 / Series X in terms of technical capabilities. We'll be lucky if it can match the PS4 Pro.
“One move” they go off on a tangent, but it’s just release big game or switch pro.
Only way it will steal some thunder is with games. I felt like the switch lineup this far really underwhelmed based on what could have been.
We thought we were getting doom eternal this year.
I disagree, not really the same market. There is overlap, but most people aren't really choosing between the mainline home consoles and switch, it's usually one to complement the other. Furthermore, it won't be anywhere near powerful enough to play next gen games, not without stripping them down to barebones visuals.
I agree, but hopefully you're wrong. I need something more than a handful of Mario games and a bucket load of sub-par last-gen ports. It's not that it isn't impressive that it runs on a handheld, but what's the point when you played the game 'properly' 10 years prior?
That thunder could also end up striking them because knowing Nintendo, it won't be backwards compatible and you'll have to rebuy all of your games because they're Nintendo and there games are "worth buying again".
Lol good luck. My switch is plenty enough. See you next Nintendo console generation.
They haven’t had much in the games area really lately . Pro isn’t going to change much . They are doing well with sales they need to make more games
Not for me it wouldn’t. I’m fine in the role my switch plays for me as is. I use it for some Nintendo exclusives and smaller indie titles.
Same here. What I use my Switch for and what I want a PS5 for are two different things. Both have their place, but I have a perfectly good Switch and I do not have a PS5 yet. So...it's pretty obvious what my next big purchase will be even if Nintendo were to release a new upgraded model Switch.
I think the switch pro/2 will do well 1440p docked and 1080p handheld would be great!
The article reads like someone who isn't happy with switch. There's no next gen console for Nintendo fans. Outside of core Nintendo games there's zero reason for me to buy a handheld like switch. If someone enjoys switch then fair play, I stopped at Wiiu won't ever get burnt by them again
A POWER move would be to actually SUPPORT your current system with ACTUAL FUN PLAYABLE GAMES...not just come out with sum GIMMICKY system with fan favorites that NEVER come out..only talk for decades Im more interested in Yuzu
I'm looking at a list of titles on Wikipedia. Apparently Nintendo has published more than 50 titles, and developed 20 of them internally over the last 3 1/2 years. It's not like they've been sitting on their asses.
Another article about a thing that doesn’t exist, and has no basis in reality.
What is with these clickbait titles. Why not just say it could be a good upgrade or something along those lines. It's like saying the PS5/Series X will outperform top end PCs
nintendo wont support the switch no more then 5 years on market pretty sure nintendo is getting ready to gear up with it next nintendo 9th gen console it would be stupid to released a switch pro 2021 then a new console 2022
I think they will support it as long as it is selling as well as it is. It's now their second best selling home console, behind the Wii. Not including Gameboy or DS lines. The longer it continues to sell, the more time it gives them to get the tech ready for a successor.
I have a Switch and I doubt the Pro will. It would do really well but it would not steal any thunder from them.
Don’t know if anyone will reply, but out of curiosity, how much would $350 get Nintendo, tech wise, in 2021? Say they want to make a profit (or break even) on a Switch Pro day 1, and it’s released next year at $350. What kind of nvidia SoC could it get? What kind of screen? RAM? Storage? Could it finally do 1080p 60 FPS in docked mode for the more demanding games like Witcher 3? I can’t imagine anything higher than 1080p 60 FPS at that price point. Just curious to see what some more knowledgeable techies would guess.
I don't think there's anything Nintendo can do that would convince be to buy a Switch again. I wanna love Nintendo cause they're a big part of my childhood, but pretty much everything I've bought from em has disappointed me. I think I've outgrown em, not the artstyle but the lack of challenge in a lot of their games and lack of replayability. That's just me tho
Same power as ps5 and xbox is impossible if they think about the current price of current switch, not unless they make just like thunderbolt 3 in the dock while being weaker using handheld is very plausible. But the problem is the price. There's no way they gonna price it same as ps5 and xbox
sorry Nintendon´t exist right know...
If Switch Pro can do 1080p 60fps in portable and 1440p 30 or 60fps docked then it'll be a good upgrade. Don't compare the spec this to graphic powerhouse such as XBSX or PS5. Compare the software instead.
Steal PS5 or Series X thunder might be stretching it. Odds are the Switch Pro will not be anywhere near as capable as either console.
Apparently Ben Price is in Nintendo fantasy land. "But what not many gamers realize is that The House of Mario is also looking to have a fantastic year, and may very well steal the PS5 and Xbox Series X's thunder if Nintendo plays its cards right." Yes Ben, your master- gamerdom is so enlightened, please do go on with your dipshi7 wild-ass fantastical wishful assumptions. Yeah, totally a thing Nintendo would do.... :/ (way, WAY off their tech procurement, consumer course/ mission). Seriously dude, why even waste your time with this (or others for that matter)?
Still haven't picked up a switch or any Nintendo system since the Gamecube , said I was when a new Metroid game comes out but we still haven't had a proper Metroid game since 2007 .
Mobile Zen 2 w/5600M 😯?
Until Nintendo jumps out of the bush and says surprise here is a Switch Pro then I'll believe it until then this is all rumors. If Nintendo did release a Switch Pro and it was official I'd want them to fix the joycon drift if the Switch Pro ever sees the light.
Its Nintendo... no one knows what they are gonna do. Would make sense to release a more power Switch but if they do this wont come like until 2022. Thats when i feel we are gonna start getting next gen games and not being ported over to the PS4 or Xbox One.
What are they going to do? Release a console that leaves the switch and switch lite behind? At that point it might as well be next gen.
The next Switch will be DLSS compatible. AI upscaling is going to be industry standard within a few years, with AMD working on their solution, supposedly working with both Series X and PS5. Get better performance out of consoles with less resources spent in development.
Boy I'd like for Nintendo to build one last high-spec. traditional. TV-only console before I die.
What ever happens next, Nintendo will need to step up a bit. I'm sure if they have played with dualsense they are green with envy, thinking why didn't we think of this. Its the best controller in years with that tech. Sony pulled a master stroke. The Joy cons are great but underused so far. Maybe metroid will use them better, but saying all this the Switch is brilliant and selling well. For sure Nintendo have something up there sleeves for future updates.
I'd buy a switch pro before I bought a ps5 or xsx.
Mmmmmm I think the only way nintendo could amper their game is making something like apple M1 chip and if Nvidia or Amd get on par with it and make a 5nm chip for that cpu with tons of power.
LOL, yea ok.