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It Takes "No Effort" For Devs to Work Across Xbox Series X and Series S

We spoke with the creator of an Xbox Series X | S launch title to find out how easy it is to make your game work across the two consoles.

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lukasmain1679d ago (Edited 1679d ago )

Well according to a lot of devs that went on the record saying that it would be a pain for them and that's just the ones that chose to speak up. I would bet there are many more that would think the same or similar. It certainly does not sound like it would be "no effort" in regards to optimization for the lower spec machine. Especially in a few years.

https://www.gamesradar.com/...

---- The principal engine programmer at id Software has shared what may be the keenest developer frustration about Xbox Series S' specs yet. Speaking on his personal Twitter account, id's Axel Gneitling (one of the folks most directly responsible for making Doom Eternal look good and run smoothly on a technical level) explains how the one system could hold back the possibilities of next-gen games that are built for multiple platforms.

Gneitling pointed to the "almost non-existent" RAM increase from current-gen systems to Xbox Series S as a major pain point.

Also "it always scaled on PC" is nonsense. Every AAA game in the past decade or so has their assets made once so they run on min spec. Increasing sample counts a bit here and there for high settings isn't what you could truly have done with more power. Min spec matters.

RT BVHs are raytracing bounding volume hierarchies, by the way. Tech intricacies aside, they help make ray tracing - one of the defining features of next-gen graphics - work.

The relatively low specs of Xbox Series S make a difference for all next-gen multiplatform games, Gneitling says, because the developers of such games must always meet the lowest-common-denominator 'minimum spec'. Since Xbox Series S' RAM is mostly the same as current-gen, Gneitling feels that will inevitably hold back what multiplatform developers can do with all next-gen systems: "Increasing sample counts a bit here and there for high settings isn't what you could truly have done with more power. Min spec matters." ----

CaptainObvious8781679d ago

And also, regardless of how easy or hard it is, they're still going to have to severely limit the complexity and scope of their games to cater to the underpowered xss.

It's really sad that multiplats are going to be hampered for the entire generation thanks to ms.

lelo2play1679d ago (Edited 1679d ago )

"lot of devs"... lol.

A few devs said it would mean more work to run the game on Series X and S... a few other devs said it wouldn't be much of a problem. Series X and S are basically the same machine, but with a less powerful graphics card.

It will be much worse to port games between PS5 --> PS4 and Xbox Series --> Xbox One in the next 2-3 years, to support old systems.

cfir1679d ago (Edited 1679d ago )

@lelo2play It's not just less powerful graphics card. It has less memory (10GB instead of 16 with significantly lower bandwidth on the memory bus - 8GB @ 224GB/s & 2GB @56GB/s) and a slower CPU (3.4Ghz SMT compared to 3.6 on XSX). So it's not just a case of turning down the graphics settings.

cfir1678d ago

Not sure if I'm getting disagrees because they don't like the facts. The figures are from the Microsoft Xbox website. Or if they don't think the differences in memory bandwidth and cpu speed will affect things other than graphics

lonewolf101679d ago

The tweet by Gneitling linked in that article (link is https://twitter.com/axelgne... has disappeared, makes you wonder why when games do scale fine across minimum/maximum spec PC's

lukasmain1679d ago

LOL maybe it disappeared because he now works for Microsoft yes?

AngelicIceDiamond1679d ago

Your favorite little article that you desperately cling on to for dear, dear life. Well cod releases on Friday so we'll see how broken and bottlenecked the system is and how it'll bring everyone else down huh? When we see the real world results. I would tell you but I don't wanna give spoilers.

lukasmain1679d ago

I'm just going on what the 'principal engine programmer at id Software' said ok. So calm the hell down, sounds like you're about to cry.

The Series X is great, but the Series S worries me. Not at the moment, but in a few years from now when true next gen games are being made. A lot of people, including those devs are worried about the low spec machine of the Series S holding true next gen games back. I'm not talking about cross-gen Cod

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lonewolf101679d ago

"LOL maybe it disappeared because he now works for Microsoft yes?"

Lol possibly, but I still do not agree with the statement that PC games do not scale across different hardware.

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Einhander19711679d ago

Well I expect it is, just a matter of turning off most of the new features.

Deathdeliverer1679d ago

Screw all this. Completely off topic but I figured a lot of other Series X owners would come here. How has everyone’s first day went? Well I just found a thread on Reddit that finally stopped me from scratching my head. I am glad I found it. I had started to think I did something wrong. This has been a TERRIBLE first day of Series X for me. I’ve had to reboot my console like 8 times, tried to download several games after my Xbox is showing I’m getting over 500Mbs Down and 40 MB’s upload and install them and it took forever. I decided to just turn the system off and let the installs/downloads time to finish line I would on PS4 and Xbox one. Start the system up 5 1/2 hours later and it’s right where I left it. Nothing downloaded. Not to mention everytime I turn it off it’s like a full boot. Like there’s no rest mode. Tekken 7 crashes after every single match. First got the system at about 1030am when Amazon delivered. Setup the system and couldn’t do or play anything, even disk, because Xbox Live was down for 2 hours or more. Now I find out quick resume is disabled because it’s giving people errors? They have that much control? Day one was ass.

lukasmain1679d ago

Yeah I saw Live was down, but I read it's back up. Sorry you're having so many issues on your first day with Xbox Series X. I hope it works out for you man.

Si-Fly1679d ago

Think I got lucky as I managed to down load Jedi Fallen Order, Nuer Automata, D2, FH4 and Ori yesterday afternoon. Loving the system so far, nice to have an Xbox in the living room again after skipping last gen!

Deathdeliverer1679d ago

I got several games downloaded now by doing ONE at a time. Doing that it goes really fast. Two at once or whatever it does at default sucks. Pause everything, do a single game, and when it’s done do another.

darthv721678d ago

Any update since the first day?

Deathdeliverer1678d ago

Yeah, The outer worlds doesn’t have quick resume, had a HARD freeze on Walking dead final season right when this grenade went off which was actually pretty funny. She said F you clementine *throws grenade* and when it said boom the game did a brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl loud af. My girl was still holding the controller with her “not a gamer” ass cause she was waiting to see what was next u til I walked over and reset the Xbox cause the controls was unresponsive.

Other than that I’ve had a FAR better time today. Playing Ori , about to try gears tactics, and did some outer worlds earlier. I really like how the controller feels. It’s gritty as hell.

neomahi1679d ago (Edited 1679d ago )

So. And we care, why? They've gotta keep ALL of Microsoft's gamers happy. Essentially, they're adding PC settings to the game. Very High settings is the Series X and I guess Xbox One is low. This will happen for a little while, No One Left Behind Phil Spencer calls it until a year in, and then Microsoft will get the nerve to start cutting Xbox One gamers off when developers are pissed off enough at them. Business and politics are the same thing. Microsoft thinks their smart and know how to use words but consumers are smarter and Microsoft just lives in Sony's shadow, always will and Microsoft will always follow in Sony's shadow ten steps behind, I mean let's face it, Microsoft have never had respect for Sony, ever. Sony even gives to Microsoft, it's historic, MLB The Show 21 is going to Xbox, that's how Sony does, what do you see on PlayStation from Microsoft? Nothing, that's Microsoft's resolve, take and take with no reserve, Sony didn't have to, but they are. That's the difference. Smart consumers and fans know better, that's the respect of a Veteran to a rookie company that still can't think for themselves and have zero respect for. You can't win over the Japanese audience when you can't respect a Japanese veteran.

jznrpg1679d ago

Lol. No effort at all? Sounds like some great games that make themselves

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