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Demon’s Souls Confirmed To Have No Ray Tracing on PlayStation 5

LEVEL UP spoke with Gavin Moore, creative director of the game and member of SIE Japan Studio.

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RazzerRedux1272d ago

Ray tracing is a waste of resources at this point. And in a game like Demon Souls where movement and timing are everything, effectively halving the frame rate isn't wise.

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Obscure_Observer1272d ago

"Ray tracing is a waste of resources at this point."

Yeah? Didn't prevent Sony and Bluepoint from lying, did It?

Digital Foundry had their lie exposed a while ago which made some PS fans in denial really mad at them.

Well, turn out that Digital Foundry was right in this case, and that's why they are important in the game industry.

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RazzerRedux1272d ago (Edited 1272d ago )

Lying about what?

Edit: ah....IRetrouk pointed it out. sigh....yeah, that's bullshit and Sony should know better.

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potatoseal1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

IT LOOKS SO GOOD, that DF could not even tell if the game had ray tracing or not. They said they were not sure at all when they were looking at it.

That tells you all you need to know about how good the game looks

Go sell your crazy fanboy rants and accusations of lying elsewhere. You don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what went on or what will release because you won't get to play the game. You're coming across as a very toxic fanboy.

laserap1271d ago

You don't know that they lied. It could be a mistake. Miles Morales has ray-traying and it's an Open World game.

It was most likely a mistake. No need to call them liars. Digital Foundry were praising the game and how it looks.

Einhander19711271d ago

I'm pretty sure DF stated they saw raytracing tech in the demo. Obviously they were wrong.

outsider16241271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

"Yeah? Didn't prevent Sony and Bluepoint from lying, did It?"

Lying? Did anyone of them say theres Ray tracing?

Edit: looked it up. Bluepoint did mention it.

Edit #2: I swear though, even without it, it looked amazing. Fooled a few tech people too who said there was ray tracing(fire, lighting).

Profchaos1271d ago

But digital foundry was clearly wrong that the only thing wrong in Halo infinite was the lighting and it could be fixed prior to a day 1 launch.

GaboonViper1271d ago

A bit like MS and Ubi lied about NATIVE 4K on WDL with RT, wonder if you will call them out???

SmokinAces1271d ago

Game development is complex, things change including launch dates, doesn't mean everything is a "lie", please stop trolling.

Ratchet751271d ago

When did Bluepoint or Sony claimed the game used RT?

Come on, go and find the article,
I'll wait. 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

You pathetic.

LM12131271d ago

you think digital foundry doesn't lie about/for xbox? cuz I can give you a couple of videos

Dragonscale1271d ago

Ooh an xbox fanboy complaining about Sony lying as if ms never do. How ironic lol.

DarXyde1271d ago

The PlayStation Blog does say that it will have ray tracing, which is misleading. I don't know that I would go as far as call that a lie though. Very possible it was intentional disinformation, or misunderstanding. That blog article was written by Herman Hulst, so it is quite surprising to see this kind of disparity in reported features. Possible the cart got in front of the horse, but I also don't rule out a ray tracing update after launch. Time will tell.

That said, let's not pretend Digital Foundry does not have their biases. Their coverage of Halo Infinite and Dirt 5 was damn near sycophantic as they overlooked some glaring technical issues in the case of Halo Infinite and, in the case of Dirt 5, they kept stating that it was an early build MEANWHILE, they did *not* extend that same courtesy to Shadow of War on PS4 Pro (but when looking at the One X version, they DID say it was an early build).

Let's not pretend you really care though. You're a bomb thrower.

RazzerRedux1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@Ratchet75
"When did Bluepoint or Sony claimed the game used RT?"

Here:
"From Japan Studio and Bluepoint Games comes a remake of the PlayStation classic, Demon’s Souls. In addition to beautiful shadow effects and ray tracing, players can choose between two graphics modes while playing: one focused on fidelity, and one focused on frame rate."

https://blog.playstation.co...

@DarXyde

"That blog article was written by Herman Hulst"

That makes it even worse. I could understand some PR dude messing up the details, but the "Head of Worldwide Studios"? Hard to say whether Sony was being intentionally deceptive here. But it is either deception or incompetence. Neither are a good look.

Christopher1270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

Lying in June when things could have changed since then. I'm going to give them the same benefit of the doubt I give Halo Infinite here, and that's just that things change after a few months.

I love the language used to "highlight" a certain company's changes on this site while using language that is more "forgiving" when it's for another company.

I still disagree with DF's pixel counting on the game, though. I had no issue with their other findings, but that pixel counting was way off.

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Imortus_san1271d ago

Game is 1440p 60fps with frame drops, so, what is your point?

RazzerRedux1271d ago

Uh....that the frame rate would be worse with RT. How is that point not ridiculously obvious?

Extermin8or3_1271d ago

How do you know the final version has frame drop? You got it somehow?

gravedigger1271d ago

Yep, but it has global illumination. It's lovely to see a fire reflection on player's armour

SockeyBoy1271d ago

lmao this is amazing! I can tell you now that ray tracing will be on the PC version 100%

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Homushi1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

yes it absolutely is a waste of resources, and the gain from it is hardly even noticeable. If the devs are good, they will be able to replicate life like lighting and shadows and nobody would even know that there's no RTX.

DarXyde1270d ago

This is not directed at you RazzerRedux, but I need to say that I get annoyed when I hear console-only gamers talking at length about ray tracing. Stop it. It's new technology that was added to these consoles as an option but it's not going to have big uptake on this hardware. It's just not. It's like bragging about TF, CELL, the Azure Cloud, or RDNA2. You are console gamers. What does any of that really mean to any of you? It's like a casual who buys cars bragging about their Porche 911 S model having 390 ft-lb torque at 2,300rpm and they can't explain what that even means.

I hope any future Souls games don't get ray tracing. Bloody waste of resources, as you've well stated, Razzer.

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IRetrouk1272d ago (Edited 1272d ago )

Hold on, didnt they advertise raytracing? Didnt digital foundry point it out? Confused.com

Edit

Yep they did, still says it on the ps blog

"From Japan Studio and Bluepoint Games comes a remake of the PlayStation classic, Demon’s Souls. In addition to beautiful shadow effects and ray tracing, players can choose between two graphics modes while playing: one focused on fidelity, and one focused on frame rate."

https://blog.playstation.co...

oof461272d ago

If I remember correctly, DF said it looked like it could have ray tracing, but couldn't confirm.

lifeisgamesok1272d ago

I think them listing raytracing was just an error

oasdada1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Agreed! If the could mistakenly post a video with the game allegedly coming to pc.. then this is a muxh smaller mistake.. and on the topic of ray tracing.. ill love me some RT but when Demon souls without raytracing looks 10 times better than watch dogs WITH ray tracing.. then who the hell but a butt hurt fanboy would cry about a non issue for a tag this is RT?

Michiel19891271d ago

@oasdada if you think just including raytracing will just polish up any turd, you are so wrong. RT isnt the base of game development, its a supplementary technique.

Not to take away from Demon Soul's because it looks mind blowing, but ray tracing will have more benefits in games with larger, open areas. In demon souls you dont see untill the horizon, you just see whats there untill the next corridor.

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shabz6661271d ago

Weird , not sure what’s going on with the messaging with ps studios. The original trailer with the coming to pc line, and the leak about a ps4 version? I blame it on miscommunication and the pandemic but they should really get their messaging in order.

PurpHerbison1271d ago

Imagine picking some subpar 30fps ray tracing and getting your ass lit up by PvPers that choose performance mode.

Giblet_Head1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

People really need to stop taking DF's word as gospel in most things tech related.

IRetrouk1271d ago

I was actually going off the ps blog post I linked.

CaptainObvious8781271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Well I am thoroughly disappointed at Sony at this point. I expect these kinds of sleazy lies from MS, not them.

NeoGamer2321270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

At least someone on this site actually investigates stuff and finds some facts rather then just posting BS.

Thank You!

IRetrouk1270d ago

I always try to back up what I say, I'm not always right but I do try to keep it as fact based as i can lol thanks man👌

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BigBosss1272d ago

Whenever someone uses Google translation on a foreign website it doesn't always translate correctly.

oof461272d ago

The guy who conducted the interview posted the original english transcript of the interview to alleviate any mistranslation concerns.

https://twitter.com/PedroPC...

oof461272d ago

There seems to be miscommunication, on Sony's part. On the official Playstation blog, ray tracing has been touted since the game was announced. But, in the interview, Moore says the game doesn't have ray tracing because it was never in the original plans.

???

RazzerRedux1271d ago

"Hey, Left Hand, what's Right Hand doing?"

"Who?"

NEXUS-61271d ago

This is 2nd batch of botched messaging for Demons Souls, the 1st being the announcement trailer allusing to it releasing on other platforms.

Sony really is hurting itself with silly mistakes.

Extermin8or3_1271d ago

I mean most of their staff is working from home doing important meetings they'd probably usually do in person online etc. I'm such an environment i guess miscommunication can be an issue.

NEXUS-61271d ago

Extermin8tor3_ - I can see that, but Jim isn't wet behind the ears. The problem is these days your messaging has to be rock solid - otherwise it can be twisted and misconstrued, to the point you have to explain yourself again. Sony didn't seem to have this issue under previous leadership. If you can't tell I'm not Jim's biggest supporter.

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DLord - none of that - just sloppy.

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The best PS5 exclusives 2024

With so many PS5 exclusives to choose from, it can be a little overwhelming to pick which one to play. This is especially true for a new PlayStation gamer who has yet to experience the wonder of PlayStation-exclusive storytelling. So, here's KnowTechie's take on the best PS5 exclusives in 2024 and beyond

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Hereandthere10d ago

PlayStation is killing it with the exclusives this year. Exclusive wise, what has xbox released this year?

VersusDMC10d ago

They won't complain about Microsoft not releasing games here but put all their effort into saying that only first party counts. Games like Rebirth and Grandblue Relink don't count. Games published by Sony like Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin don't count because Sony don't own the studios.

It's some narrative building so for when Hellblade 2 come out they can say, seemingly without shame, that Microsoft is actually releasing first party games this year. And claim victory.🙃

Chevalier10d ago

Weird 1st party games didn't matter when Xbox had so little, but, now they're important again? Guess Ark 3, Stalker 2 don't count any more?

KyRo10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

ARK 3 doesn't exist and it's just a timed exclusive. It's also a game that a majority of the ARK player base doesn't want as it's a massive deviation from what people like about the original game

Abnor_Mal10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Honestly to me it doesn’t matter what they say, they are just finally getting a chance to say all the things PS fan(boy)s were saying to them for the past few years. Let them get that, they deserve a “win” for a change.

The new narrative is that suddenly first party games matter again when awhile ago they didn’t, but that was because they were struggling with the same three games with the occasional fourth or fifth. That games should be everywhere on all platforms since that’s whats happening to theirs. The consoles don’t matter just the ability to play anywhere. Whatever Xbox is doing Sony will soon follow.

They’re not moving the goalpost anymore, but rather just moving the whole damn stadium.

jwillj2k410d ago

Only a incel would care about who published what and who owns who.

If it’s not on the other consoles it’s an exclusive.

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Cacabunga10d ago

Killing what? Where are the 1st party games??
Stellar Blade and FF7 is what I’m seeing this year.. so shallow!!!!

andy8510d ago

Doesn't really matter as long as they're great games. Baffles me why people put an emphasis on 1st party. They're still games you can't play anywhere else this year

Cacabunga10d ago

Andy

PS brand is my favorite because of their stellar first party software.. currently I see absolutely nothing to go crazy for..

CS710d ago

Nonsense.

PS1 and PS2 was built on great third party exclusives like FF, MGS, GTA & Tekken.

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raWfodog10d ago

Of course I love the games I’ve played from PS but I don’t believe we need to limit it to ‘exclusive’ to acknowledge that Xbox will be releasing some good games this year also. In that same vein, I believe that Xbox diehards shouldn’t limit their acknowledgment of good PS games to 1st party. There are plenty of good games to go around for everybody.

Tacoboto10d ago

This is a Playstation article about Playstation games and your comment is about Xbox. Can't you just celebrate what PS has without dragging this into console war BS?

ChasterMies10d ago

I don’t think Microsoft is releasing games exclusively on Xbox anymore. They have some timed exclusives that release on Xbox first.

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Abear2110d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Returnal, Astro Bot, and Ratchet made having it since day one worth it.

GT7 free updates and Spiderman 2 and others at 60fps have made this last year more than okay.

But yeah, it’s been dry lately. BG3 and third party have made great filler, but we ready for that SOCOM or Killzone announcement and some more 1st party goodness. Crossing fingers for Ghost of Tsushima 2 announcement this summer.

Didn’t know Helldivers was exclusive! Wtf is going on at Xbox that they can’t get these games, series s strikes again.

SonyStyled10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Sony owns the Helldivers IP. The first was a PS3/Vita/PC game. It was never an Xbox game that they could ‘get’ a decade ago. I’m not sure what the upset is with Xbox here

CS710d ago

Lol, how do you ignore Rebirth one of the best games ever made?

anast10d ago

Looks like they are on par with the previous gens. Solid games all around. Interestingly enough, we can't say they released a bad game yet this gen. Unlike the Quiet Man dustup.

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DefenderOfDoom210d ago

I actually do not mind if Marathon releases on multiple platforms . I just wish that Marathon has a dedicated single player campaign.

DaniMacYo10d ago

Helldivers 2 is exactly what gaming needed. I’m loving it.

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10 Hardest PS3 Games of All Time

You might not be able to believe this, but Dark Souls is a pretty tricky game on the PlayStation 3.

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The 7 Best Co-op Games on PS5

There's no better way to enjoy your PS5 than with friends, so here's our picks of the best co-op games on the console.

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Cacabunga103d ago

For coop, get a used switch instead

jznrpg103d ago

I own a Switch and have never played co-op on it. I do play Elden Ring , Demons Souls and some other co/op games with my friends on PS5. Baldurs Gate 3 is the next game I’ll play co-op. Can’t do that on a Switch

Cacabunga103d ago

I was thinking for couch casual immediate fun.. not online coop games that require some adaptation.