Ex-box. Head of Xbox Phil Spencer has been doing the rounds to promote Microsoft's latest console, and he's been talking a little more about the company's cross-platform approach.
..i hope Sony do not follow suit even to the minimum ....PStation must remain strictly console focused if they want to survive in the future (ala Nintendo)
Sony needs to make extra revenue! Fanboys wants Sony to acquire/create new studios but don't want Sony to make more money out the PC userbase tô make that happen which is just ridiculous. Sony doesn't need to follow Xbox on Day One exclusives on PC. But after 6+ mounths? Who REALLY gives a F*? Smdh.
i was going to say since AMD actually makes a larger profit selling their hardware in consoles. that does leave selling services and software as the bulk of profits for companies like MS and Sony. which is also as part mentioned in sony's press release for expanding support for other devices. including software on pc. https://www.sony.net/SonyIn... under page 43 - Background to Strategies and Strategic Direction
Man you sure do mention fanboys alot while being major one yourself. Pot kettle black you know all that
People that make good money put together spreadsheets that predict how much revenue they make with games going to PC vs. money they lose when customers switch to PCs. None of us know how that model works and what the break even point, but that model assuredly exists. And Sony gives a F because it's their business. MS has their own model and their own business objectives / outcomes. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it ridiculous.
It's so ironic that you keep talking about fanboys all the time.
This comment sounds desperate. It reminds me of fanboys
Actually, Sony doesn't need that extra revenue they are killing it with PlayStation they sold 1.2 billion units of software on PS4 as of January 2020 and that's not including profits from DLC or other MTX. And why would you assume they would make more money selling their games on Steam or Epic than they are already selling them for 100% of the money plus console and and other hardware sales? And personally I would prefer if this whole buying studios had never started consolidation lowers competition but of course Microsoft had to throw it's money around and start this whole trend. And Microsoft isn't buying studios with xbox money they are buying those with Windows money. Without Windows money xbox would have died with RROD. We'll see how things pan out but I think Sony will dial back their push to put games on PC if PS5 sells like PS4 did. Remember Microsoft didn't start putting their games on PC because they were selling great on xbox they put them there because they were selling bad...
Quality, not quantity.
This guy just some up what irony mean. Obscure aka the insecure Xbox fanboy.
Sony needs to protect Sony. Extra revenue is nice... But pirating is the concern. Making profit off of 45-65% of the games and or opening doors via the console would be the true concern that plagues pc gaming. I honestly hope Sony takes care of Sony in this respect. Also, Sony should focus on the consoles abilities and then port to pc. Let’s not forget that Sony had a pc gaming division... they got rid of it for a reason.
You can tell a consumer from someone who runs or studied business. smdh x 20
Good thing PS4 was the most profitable console in history.
Nintendo do alright keeping their games to themselves and Sony should do the same I reckon.
Sony has already said they want to bring more games to pc. It’s a win for everyone
Yup, I think sticking to their console is the main reason why they are able to release more exclusives in a short amount of time, they won't have to worry about the additional thousands of hours they need to optimize their game for pc.
gotta get a ps5 for that buddy. not in sonys interest to put games on pc as fast as ms does. pc is the afterthought after console is done.
Not as fast. But they will do it. A lot of My pc friends have no problem waiting for games like Detroit, course now QD are going to be multiplat
In order for Sony to survive in the future, they are going to need to invest billions into cloud infrastructure. Similar to Microsoft, Amazon, and Google. Why do you think Amazon and Google are attempting to get into the video game space? Both of them have powerful AI servers to allow for game streaming. I believe this is why Sony made a deal with Microsoft to use their servers. It's cheaper to rent them than it is to build them from scratch.
They don’t have to, they will be paying MS to use azure
Same reasoning behind Apple buying their iPhone panels from Samsung. Same reasoning why Apple and Samsung and Microsoft buy sensors from Sony. Competitors in one aspect of business and partners in others. None of this is new.....except to gamers it would seem.
Having everything on PC is better because it ensures nothing is lost to generation jumps. The PC platform is an archive
We're already seeing the early stages of Sony's interest in the PC market. Cry about it all you want, Sony is a company, and they are going to make use of every market available. It's not going to be long until Sony looks at their 1st party offerings as timed exclusives. 1 - 2 years purely on Playstation, then the re-release on PC.
I just don't get the logic there. How is it better for the gaming community to buy 2-4 console/PC devices to be able to play every game they may be interested in. Please explain. Exclusivity may make you feel good at the time, but what if a a few games ship on other platforms that you want to play badly? You end up having to invest in the other platform. I just see no logic in that especially now that MS has 23 first party studios. There are bound to be a few games that other gamers would want. They shouldn't have to buy an XB to have them. Exclusivity encourages fanboyism. I think Sony would do well if they pursued a multi-platform strategy. Look at how well Horizon did when it shipped on PC. This kind of money fuels the great games Sony makes.
This doesn't even make sense? Opening up other platforms should increase sales, would it not?
Competing with themselves is an old trend mate.
Im with ya.. I wrote a few hundred word response, not a rant, but my take/opinion on the good and the bad... Though I was going of on tangents of what makes a console to me, using analogies of Virtual instruments VS Analog Synths ect ect... (fk , seems im doing it now) So, compressed... This is not a dig. MS has left the "Conventional" Console space , the space they’ve moved to is one I think only MS has the resources to.The infrastructure, the money. Its good for gamers.. right? Thew Xbox is a Box. A delivery system, for subs and games. That is MS'S MO. And thats OK. But as for Sony , If they keep doing what theyve always done, why let it worry you? Let Sony do what they do. Let MS move from what they couldn't to what they can.
They confirmed this ages ago, the bit thats new and more interesting: "If we are shipping a first-party game on PC it's coming to Steam and our own store" Awesome.
This is nothing new they've been coming to PC since 2016. Quantum Break was the first game to hit xbox and PC.
His point is the commitment to Steam. That was never stated before.
Right this is not new in mid 2019 they said the exact same thing about releasing their titles on windows through steam. This is a reiteration if that continued commitment. Hopefully Sony keeps its promise they made as well to release their titles on pc. It will take them longer to release but it will happen.
@gamer7804 "Right this is not new in mid 2019 they said the exact same thing about releasing their titles on windows through steam. " When did Microsoft ever previously say "If we are shipping a first-party game on PC it's coming to Steam"? "Hopefully Sony keeps its promise they made as well to release their titles on pc." There was never any such promise made. Sony said they would "explore" it. That is not a promise of anything.
I might actually use their store since i have game pass. getting a discount on it will save me money, although I'm one buggy game away from cancelling game pass altogether. The outer worlds wouldn't work because of some weird glitch and neither would microsoft flight simulator.
Works fine for me, it's most likely your hardware.
Update your GPU driver.
@red It's up to date. Don't assume it's my fault the xbox game pass is barely out of beta it's not like it's a super stable thing
Non-uniform hardware strikes again.
I approve of their Steam support 100%
And basically makes buying the series x pointless, best get a better 500 pc and stream games
So they’re not exclusives lol
Microsoft exclusive titles. Windows is a Microsoft OS and platform. So technically he's not wrong unless they say console exclusive.
LOL. Dude they only have multiplat games. It is known. PC is not their platform. The only way they'll earn a cent from me on PC, is if I choose to buy one of their games or I choose to SUB to Gamepass for a month. AND THAT'S JUST FINE WITH ME hehehehe.
That's... Exactly the point of exclusives in the first place, isn't it? No one makes money off exclusives you don't buy. @potato
@potatoseal Do you have Windows 10 on your PC? it is the same ecosystem, whether you buy on PC, xbox, Switch, mobile, IOS, it is still a software sale for Microsoft. And everyone knows, the profit is in the software.
Not sure why so many cages got rattled by this comment. That is literally how MS brands their exclusives now, as being exclusive to the xbox eco system over console, pc app and cloud. You don't have to like it by any means but that is how they brand things as their exclusives.
potatoseal - "LOL. Dude they only have multiplat games. It is known. PC is not their platform." Correct, but the worlds most used operating system is. I think you've trailed off from the convo the article points out. Bronbron92 said, "So they’re not exclusives lol", where they are exclusives. Microsoft exclusives specifically.
So by that logic, HZD is also now exclusive?
If it's on PC, no it isn't exclusive.
No. It's a multiplat now
Well yeah. It was but now it isn't
@Potatoseal But the Windows 10 operating system is their OS... Created and owned by Microsoft... Microsoft is a business company... Do you think they care if you like them if they can get you to play their games on a different device through an OS that they own? No... they don't and better yet subscribe to a Gamepass sub? I don't think they will mind. What are they up to 15 Million subs... It's all about revenue... Potatoseal said "if I choose to buy one of their games or I choose to SUB to Gamepass for a month. AND THAT'S JUST FINE WITH ME hehehehe." To be quite honest the quote up there is just fine with Microsoft too. You get to enjoy the games you want to play... Not necessarily tied to a console you don't want. You buy their game or subscribe to GamePass and Microsoft gets money from someone that doesn't own their system and wouldn't have without the support of PC... You have proven what their model has set out to be when they decided to support Win10 PC with all 1p games. Are you blind?
Microsoft Windows, you are still in their ecosystem and once you are they can entice people to subscribe to gamespass. A gateway drug if you will.
This dumb little talking point is getting old. It's a MS exclusive if it's just for PC and Xbox. Microsoft has a vested interest in both PC, and their Xbox brand. The important difference being that what can't you play said games on? Sony's Playstation - their direct competition. Sony is already in the early stages of showing they're interested in the PC market, and that most of their 1st party titles will be coming to the platform after some timed console exclusivity. I guess that means Sony, at some point, won't have any exclusives either, according to your logic. Even more, they're even less important, considering Sony will be making use of Microsoft Windows in order to make them available to the public. :^)
Exactly. I don't see Sony every using the microsoft store per say but the titles they choose to publish on PC will go through Steam I would assume. I could see perhaps, maybe, Sony has their own PC app to bypass other stores cuts.
@warrior I'd be 100% fine with that. I love so much of what Sony puts out, but I hate being tied to tech designed to be affordable out of the gate, yet supposed to last the better part of a decade. Millions of people, including myself, are happy to support your software. Just make it available to us in the way we most enjoy. No, you're not making that minimal profit on your console sold, but you're seeing millions of more sales via your own storefront, which is 100% revenue in your pocket. Just the Steam sales of HZD covered its development costs.
What 1st party games🤣🤣㈳ 4;😂
The ones coming from 343, Compulsion, Obsidian, inXile, Ninja Theory, Rare, Bethesda, Arkane, Id, the Coalition, Mojang, Turn 10, Double FIne, Playground, The Initiative, Undead Labs, World's Edge, Machine Games, Tango Gameworks; etc. Microsoft dropped the ball this gen, and their haters got to have a well deserved laugh. They picked the ball back up, and the result is going to be a lot of quality titles from a lot of quality developers.
Right! Now all we have to do is wait?!...till E3? Hum
Yes, but they need to show and not tell at this point. It has long been past the point of absurdity. Just looking at the article the other day on here, best games on Xbox One, Dark Souls 3 and Witcher 3. I agree that in all likely-hood with those studios, they SHOULD do much better this gen, but the dearth of titles was much more unlikely than the unlikely-hood of all those studios putting out stinkers. It is almost uncanny how they were unable to put out any good games. I will never understand it, and it has showed me anything is possible in gaming. Directly comparing to competition's output, even on Switch, Xbox so below par(imo) that it boggles the mind. They can turn it around, but I'm out of trust when it comes to their software.
Kinda need to keep some of them games Xbox exclusive to get the customer to buy your machine.
Most people are not going around building PCs with specs to rival or surpass the new consoles (as opposed to what so many monster PC “owners” you might see on comments). Just look at the hardware charts on steam. Not to mention its always going to be more expensive. Consoles are not going to lose their place even if all 3 manufacturers launched PC versions of their games. The simplicity, ease of use and cost saving factors of a console are what matters to most people
Where did I say consoles were going to lose their place? All's I said was that you need some of those exclusives to stay Xbox to draw the attention of the customer to buy your product which is Series X and Series S. With out that little incentive to entice a potential customer they will over look you and go some where else it's common sales practice.
With cards like the 3070 making it so that you can get a PC that outperforms the coming consoles for just a couple hundred more than said consoles, prior to them even releasing, that whole PC gaming is more expensive statement seems to get more and more disingenuous with every generation. Especially when people choose not to factor in how much they spend just to play online through the console's life span, or the lack of game deals had when you're stuck to one, isolated storefront. Not to mention that when you have a PC, it's not just a videogame player ... it's also a PC. You can also use it to delve into your older titles, and play them at setting/resolutions/framerates you couldn't even fathom when they first released. Then there's mods. Consoles tend to be good performance for value, but they're so freaking restrictive in what you can actually do with them.
I actually agree with this. The Xbox seems to be popular and selling well, and last gen the games weren't even there. If they get games, they will do even better. There is an appeal to uniform hardware. Uniform hardware makes your local hardware issues someone else's problem, for the most part, and ensures you get the most out of that hardware, which was likely already optimized for your dollar.
“ that whole PC gaming is more expensive statement seems to get more and more disingenuous with every generation” The 3070 alone costs the same as the PS5 and SX... That doesnt include RAM, SSD, CPU, Mobo, PSU, Case, Cooling... how is all of that just a “couple hundred more”?
I disagree. One of the appealing things to XB now is that when I am in front of a TV I can game with my console. If I am in my den I can easily play the same game carrying my progress to my PC, and then when I am uptown bored waiting for someone I can pull out xCloud on my Android phone and play that same game again there with all my progress. I have had more time to game now, then I did ever because now gaming is convenient for me. I don't have to be at my console to game. I have options and they all allow me to pickup and play my games wherever I am.
If that was their main goal then I would very much agree but they have been clear about xbox becoming a platform, that's exactly the angle phil has talked about in the past with drawing in customers from everywhere. It's about onboarding people into the ecosystem and xbox as a platform. The consoles will still be bought by people interested who don't want to buy a PC. Between console, PC xbox app, microsoft store, xcloud and I'm guessing TV xcloud integration with the Samsung partnership their goals don't solely rely on people buying a console.
@onlink Have you ever put a PC together? Do you know how easy it is to find a shell with an i7, 8+ gigs of ram, mobo and a proper power supply for under $300? And, again, that's saying we're just talking the base price on the hardware for both a PC vs the consoles. Am I allowed to factor in the $60 per year that console manufacturers force you into over the span of their lifetime? Because that means you're also spending an additional $300 over the console's life cycle (typically 5+ years) just to play online, if we want to take game parity into the equation. Give it a year or so, and that card will be down about $100 as well, after AMD brings out their new generation. You think we'll be saying the same for the consoles already?