PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU Gap Doesn’t Really Have a Development Impact – DiRT 5 Dev

In the next-gen race, while the PS5 boasts its blazingly fast SSD, the Xbox Series X touts other advantages, chief among them being its GPU, which at 12 teraflops, outmatches the PS5’s 10.28 teraflops of GPU power, at least as far as pure numbers are concerned.

[Neonridr]

at the end of the day both systems are going to be extremely comparable. Visually and Functionally.

[SullysCigar]

Yup, it doesn't do these systems justice to simply compare GPU and call a 'winner'. There's much more to it than that, as we're beginning to see.

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[ConsoleAgnostic]

What about comparing CPUs also??? Haha I kid, both systems will be great! Now I just wish I could pre-order it damn PS5 😭

[Babadook7]

Not a very helpful article as usual form Gaming Bolt. CPU's could be a bigger factor for development, but this gen its not a factor at all as this gen the CPU's are nearly identical. The only overall big difference this gen is the I/O (PS5 being nearly 3x the speed) but even that (in the case of Dirt 5) would only amount to better load times. Other games could make good use of that I/O though.

[CaptainHenry916]

Except for the First party exclusives

[BrettAwesome]

True. Those will look better on PS5

[Neonridr]

yep, I was strictly speaking more on the hardware side of things. Naturally the better 1st party studios can do more with what they have.

[gamer7804]

we are too early on in this generation to really accurately guage this.

[GamerRN]

The sad part is they stated that it means less tweaks and optimizations for "one machine". So in another words they won't bother tweaking or optimizing Xbox since it's powerful enough to push through bad code, and instead they will optimize PS5 to match it...

Imagine if they optimized BOTH! Maybe used the extra power to increase graphic fidelity instead of using it to be lazy.

[tombfan]

GamerRN shouldn't be worried about the top consoles... Series S is where the optimization money will be, also, don't worry about it, you won't be the one optimizing things, let companies do it, you sleep with ease.

[BrettAwesome]

@GamerRN
No. It's because the PS5 is easier to code for

[Profchaos]

I'm glad Sony invested more in its overall experience things like the duelsense and VR will make it a better experience

[medman]

The proof is in the pudding.

[Mr Logic]

Calm down Richard.

[SullysCigar]

I got your reference, that guy's forever saying that lol

[blacktiger]

what's wrong, truth hurts?

[BrettAwesome]

Wichard would have said "pwoof"

[Cockney]

Says the developer whose game has been ridiculed for its lack of next-gen appeal

[chrisoadamson]

Vy average next gen game by all accounts

[Profchaos]

Yeah but at least they have handled both systems even if Microsoft wants you to forget that dirt 5 is a multiplatform game

[S2Killinit]

Doesnt make his statement untrue. Certainly would know more than you and I about the matter.

[Bender6502]

Except possibly for more stable framerates, but we will see.

[RickRoland]

If you're concerned about frame rate stability for PS5 vs Xbox Series X....then RIP to the Series S immediately. There won't be any real Multiplatform differences here,

[shabz666]

I would reckon series s would be even better at performance since it would be handling lesser resolutions

[Software_Lover]

Eh, the series S will perform comparatively but at lower resolutions.

[Profchaos]

Series s will be the biggest downfall of this generation. I predict games running under 30 fps at sub 1080 resolution in a few years time as games advance again.

Remember the X1 and PS4 were often pushed to 1080p 60fps in 2013 and in 2020 it's more 900 or 720 resolutions and frequently games failing to hit a locked 30 that original X1 which I own yeesh that's seen better days

[Shane Kim]

Dont think that 1.72 tflops will make a huge difference. Could be wrong though.

[Eidolon]

That's an entire base PS4 at GCN flops. This would be more like 2TF for RDNA2. He said it wouldn't matter developmentally and gameplay wise, but if they optimize to what they can deliver, the graphical advantage would lean towards a console.

[Minute Man 721]

The 0.5 TFs made a difference between PS4 / Xbox One. Own both systems and multiplats look and run better on PS4

[RangerWalk267]

Sony's 10 flops is at MAXIMUM load. They can't and won't push it that hard for very long.

[RazzerRedux]

"Sony's 10 flops is at MAXIMUM load. "

XSX's 12 TF is at "maximum load" as well. That is what a teraflop is.

"They can't and won't push it that hard for very long."

You are making shit up.

[Shane Kim]

Ranger

You are confusing it with the cpu.

[S2Killinit]

@minute man & Eidolon
Have you heard about the law of diminished return? If PS4 got the better exclusives despite the xbox one x hardware, imagine how it will go this generation.

[Minute Man 721]

@S2

Sure, Doom & RDR2 all look and run better on base PS4 with a 0.5 TF difference..

Same games looks and runs better on the X1X vs Pro

Keep moving the goal post

[Father__Merrin]

The ballpark was always the same only fanboys thought otherwise.... One will have an edge here and the other will have an edge there, differences will be mute 🔕 it will all depend on AAA games

[Ashunderfire86]

I have always said that the biggest performance delta in the history of game consoles was always The OG Xbox Vs PS2. Not much difference after that generation. Now it’s even more closer than before.

[S2Killinit]

Its great that the PS5 is on par with the series x. I like having the most powerful console but my must play games are mostly PlayStation games. To have both the games and the power with the PS5 is great news. I intend to get a series x down the line, just not as the main console because thats the PS5 for me.

[Baza]

Ouch. MS worked so hard for those extra teraflops

[Mister_G]

Didn't help them this gen with 1X, won't help next gen either :)

[RangerWalk267]

Digital Foundry has already made the tech comparison. PS5 is 40% less powerful than the XSX. They haven't been wrong yet

[Kaedro]

Says the dev whose game looks like a PS3/360 game.

[Rude-ro]

Well... so did halo infinite 🤦😂

[Kaedro]

Yeah, both of those games look like crap.

[OpenGL]

Despite the power advantages of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, most people in my experience weren't really all that aware of the differences (I own both and have a few games on both platforms for comparison) so here the difference will be lost on most people. The real differentiating factor I think will be Gamepass, PS5's exclusive library, controller, etc.

[Mister_G]

And the gap between S and X?

[Starman69]

10.3tf is awsome!! And so is 12.1tf. I won't lose sleep over it...

[RangerWalk267]

On the hardware side of things, the Series X has the PS5 at a serious power disadvantage. Sony Fanboy's won't care, because resolution and a higher system features doesn't matter anymore. Only if they're higher than Xbox. Then they go around gloating. Now that Xbox has a much more capable machine than Sony and 23 1st party gaming studios. They (Sony Fanboy's) don't have a good leg to stand on and gloat anymore. They even had to go back on their statement saying Spider-Man, Horizon, and Ratchet and Clank are ONLY able to run on a PS4. 😂 Now they had to tell the truth. The only next gen specs for the PS5 is the half baked Day Tracing and an SSD. Otherwise the PS5 would be just another PS4 Pro 2 update.

[RaiderNation]

The difference in performance between PS5 and XSX is smaller than any other Xbox/PlayStation in any previous generation. People who are expecting any kind of significant difference in graphics/performance between these two consoles are going to be disappointed.

[Mister_G]

Agreed. And due to much faster i/o the PS5 may be faster.

[lukasmain]

Obscure_Observer has a tear roll down his cheek. He keeps saying that DF will show the true winner because he says the power and performce is what matters to him. Especially in regards to this game. He actaully said it.

BUT YOU SEE, when you look into his past comments at the start of last gen, he totally contradicts himself and says it's not about power, it's about the games.

Biggest Hypocrite going around these days.

[GaboonViper]

I'll tell you Bro, that Obscure is sick in the head, a mental case, wouldn't listen to a word he says, everyone laughs at him, on topic though anyone who knows tech know these consoles are very close to each other and will BOTH perform brilliantly, as a gamer who owns all platforms i can't wait to see what both come up with, but PS, as with all previous gens, will be my primary and 80% of my gaming will be done there.

[SethBrundlefly]

Yeah we got it. Fewer cores, higher clock and data I/O speed vs more cores. We are all waiting for something tangible, but what does it mean over a generation?

[jonivtec]

At least this gen will be a real upgrade!!!Cant wait to see if there will be a real difference in game world and AI.

[Starman69]

Best and most exciting gen yet?

[NXFather]

Depends on to what extent you mean "real difference". If you think Ratchet and Clank is revolutionary like maybe most then it will make all the difference in the world. If you think that is a gimmick like me then there won't be any revolutions this gen. These consoles simply do not have enough compute performance to do anything revolutionary with things like ai and physics. This is the reason you have not seen anything that hints at it yet or any claims by the dev. community. It will probably take a couple more years before they realize they cannot do on a ps5 what supercomputer cannot do even years from now. Nor is what it can do gonna be worth sacrificing 4k, 60 fps, ray tracing, or next gen graphics.

[RickRoland]

I think the elimination or massive reduction in load times is the biggest thing since we got 720p resolutions on the 360/PS3 personally.

[Kaze88]

Loading GTAV on 1-3 seconds instead of 1min 13 seconds is just a "gimmick" like Wii...yes. Streaming full worlds in seconds is just a gimmick. Will not affect our games at all. You know that this same "gimmick" is possible on both systems and even on PC in the near future. Also if we would move away from HDD entirely, game sizes would not extrapolate so big due to copying same assets like on HDD which is MANDATORY due to poor read/write speeds. Totally shitty gimmick yes.

9-12 teraflops is enough for better AI and Physics based things, were not just going to see it until couple years on the line. All these games we have seen are 80% last gen games and "next gen only games" are just a glimpse what they can do. Never in the history of gaming has first year games of any console made the "best" what it can do.

[NXFather]

@kaze88

Game loading is not a gimmick. Hence why I never said or implied it. It is however, not a revolution either. Also, stop making up things that far down the line and just speak on what we know currently. There are no claims from the dev. community so wait for them to make those claims.

[SatanSki]

Sure, if you make games that look like crap

[Games1st]

No impact because most multiplatform games cut corners and won't be properly optimised to meet deadlines.

They design the console version for lowest spec, then upscale.

[purple101]

I'm getting it for my ps4 pro which I play on a 1080p tv.

By the time I get a ps5 the next big racing game will be out. So no worries!

[gerbintosh]

It's the games that will set them apart

[Nacho_Z]

Why does the Xbox controller (and console) look like a no brand knock off? So plain and cheap looking.

[Chevalier]

Because its uninspired plain and simple. Literally.

[anast]

SX will have a KFC controller and PS5 will have Demon Souls. The decision is about as easy as it gets.

[Darthpaul84]

After reading the article it kinda seemed almost like the writer took a quote and made it say what he wanted it to say. obviously the more powerful kit is gonna run the game better. Plus you really can’t just say the ps5 is a 10.28!tflop system. It can be but you have to sacrifice performance on the cpu side. The ps5 has 3 preset performance options. One lets you get peak performance from the cpu one lets you get peak performance from the gpu and one balancing both in the middle. I’d imagine devs will use the balanced option more often than not and you will definitely see dynamic resolutions on the ps5 when the series x is hitting native resolutions.

[lifeisgamesok]

Both consoles will have those 3 presets you mentioned

[Darthpaul84]

We are talking about two different things. The sx cpu is either 3.8 or 3.6 while using smt. It’s gpu remains locked at 12.15 .
The ps5 uses smart shift and if you want max gpu performance it’s gonna cost u cpu wise .

[shabz666]

yeah look up the amd smart shift system, the power needs to be balanced between gpu and cpu constantly to achieve max clocks

[lifeisgamesok]

@Darth I thought you were talking about game modes as in 4K 30FPS, 4K 60FPS etc. But with smart shift both the GPU and CPU can run near their maximum frequency

[shabz666]

@lifeisgamesok

the point is that the max clocks of gpu cpu would be running high one at a time, or both balanced clocks at the same time

[Darthpaul84]

Cool glad we could straighten this out. So how’s my English? I just started trying to learn the language last week

[shabz666]

@lifeisgamesok

Uhuh I just checked the Cerny article with digital foundry. It seems he says they have enough power capable of running max clocks together at the same time with gpu and cpu.

You are right. I stand corrected. Apologies.

[shabz666]

@Darthpaul

Lol, That was too coherent and comprehensible for just a week. Fake news !!

[lifeisgamesok]

@shabz666 Your comment above is incorrect it doesn't have to be one or the other. The power adjusts to the workload and there's enough power to run both the GPU and CPU near their limits

[Darthpaul84]

Well I can speak the language pretty well. Just learning to write it

[OB1Biker]

Thank you for the smile that gave me.
Cool bed time story.
I knew I read it somewhere on twitter fan fiction too. Devkit tweaks and fixed clocks for convenience doesnt mean much.

[shabz666]

Darthpaul

Well in that case, your writing and grammar is amazing.

[akaFullMetal]

These systems are closer than ever, we won't be seeing much difference at this point.

[kneon]

Sure we will, but it will come down to the skill of the developers. And there Sony wins every time.

[mechethegoat]

Doesn't have a development impact. Meaning that they can't do anything on xbox's 12tflop that cant be done on 10tflops. Doesn't mean there wont be resolution differences or slight differences in effects or other things that are lower res. Doesn't mean they'll be equal.

[lifeisgamesok]

At resolutions so high those differences become smaller, the same with framerates and the PS5 seems easier to develop for and has some other benefits like having the better IO and SSD

[mechethegoat]

We dont know exactly. and yeah we could see some better streaming solutions on ps5 with the faster io.

[NXFather]

Yeah that is if you don't factor in lighting. The xbox has better ray tracing and gpu vs ps5 better SSD since those actually count as one thing. It only has better IO on SSD. Does not make compute twice as good or 20 percent or more.

[Sprucegoose77]

But but but, TFLOPS!

[Pyrofire95]

Whoa, a gaming bolt article I didn't hate.

[jznrpg]

We know Sony went with speed to make up for less cores easier to code for smaller SSD storage (cost cutter) MS went with more cores bit harder to code for and a bit less speed and split ram (cost cutter) . The biggest difference hardware wise is SSD I/O is 2x or so more than Xbox and how that’s used has yet to be seen unless Xbox can’t do Ratchet and Clank world shifting type stuff so quickly who knows what else it means yet. But out of all I’ve read before launch the biggest thing I’ve read about is dev tools . I’ve read MS has a complicated set of tools and it is affecting development because of Series X , the much weaker Series S and PC is one set of tools . Sony obviously has one SKU I’ve read many devs has stated how easy the tools are to use . I’m the end the power may benefit first party both sides the most and for me Sony’s first party delivered and I know they will continue to. Xbox has some potential now but how it turns out and what types of games they focus on has yet to be seen. Halo has gone 10 year GAAS route which I hate for any game really . Will they have a good mix , too many Battleroad quality games? Too many Multiplayer games with MTs it a good balance and that’s not even talking quality . Now I would expect they come out with a couple very good games at least but I thought that last gen too. I thought last E3 was going to show 1 or 2 great games since Phil hyped it up so much and maybe they made a turnaround . But it was another big disappointment . At this point I’d like to think they will do something good but more than not they disappoint . I have no interest in GamePass I like to own my games so they need more than that in my eyes . I know Xbox crowd doesn’t expect much but as a Sony fan they need to do a lot to get my interest .

[shabz666]

Xbox crowd expects a lot, i'm console agnostics and i'm looking forward to seeing microsoft really give sony a run for their money this gen with first party output, Sony is killing it in terms of quality for the last 2 gens , since resistance 1 on ps3 to tlou 2 on ps4 their first party output has been consistently good to spectacular / generation defining. As a fan of video games i want a halo that can match the quality of god of war, as a fan of gears i want it to match tlou. This current gen was so poor in terms of first party output from MS it almost seems like a joke expecting that level of quality from their studios, but hey i have hope. As a PS gamer and an Xbox gamer, i hope MS first party output brings it this gen.

[Darthpaul84]

Over clocking will never make up for cu cores and whoever told u the sx is hard to develop on lies to u. Both systems are easy to work with but due to less efficient hardware and less power the ps5 takes more work on the back end to reach top performance. It’s why you will see plenty of dynamic 4k and non native 4k on the system. The development tools for the s and x are fantastic but still a work in progress due to Microsoft waiting 6 plus months longer to implement a full rdna2 feature set. Not trying to rain on anyone’s party but both Sony and Xbox fans aren’t gonna be viewing the best either system can do for a number of years. Big Navi looks very promising but to get the most out of rdna2 there has to be certain changes in how games are actually built from the ground up even certain changes to ever game engine. So I doubt at this point any dev including 1st party are taking full advantage of these systems not even close

[Darthpaul84]

Nobody reads these articles. They just read the headline and start fighting it out in the comments. The dirt 5 developer is talking about if the extra power of the gpu effected the actual development of the game. Performance of said gpu difference is not mentioned in this article

[The_Sage]

It seems to me that there are PCs out there right now with at least as much power as the both of the new systems from Sony and Microsoft yet there is nothing that even comes close to looking as good as The Last of Us 2 on even a base PS4. Optimization, and developer talent are major factors.

[Bathyj]

Do people realise Xbox is only using 12tflops if they are using all the CUs? Devs are going to struggle to actually use them all. It's easier to fill up less cores with work than more. In other words if a game is only using 40 out of 50 CUs and 10 are sitting idle waiting for things to do it's not using 12tflops, it's using less than 10.

It's true of PS5 too of course but less cores is easier to utilise so it's more likely to run to full potential. Also the cores themselves are much quicker on PS5. Not by a little bit. By a lot. That has a lot of benifits. People say PS5 compensated for less cores by upping the frequency but we know now that's the frequency RNDA 2 is supposed to run provided the cooling solution can handle it and clearly Sony thought about this years ago. I think in a way Xbox compensated for slow cores by simply adding more they will barely even use.

[gold_drake]

there we have it guys.

[Bender6502]

Let's start with something most of us will hopefully agree upon. The PS5, SSD is much faster than that of the SX. And no matter what devs say, the underlying HW dictates that. Sure, devs can try to adjust things so it appears like the SX is running similar load times, but why would they? Okay. Now lets try to understand what this dev is actually saying.Personally, I'm interpreting his comments this way. Developing a game will be pretty much the same process regardless of the next gen console.Again, I'm sure most of us understand this to be true. The exception may be Series S in some regards.

Now, Lets look at the SX GPU. It's faster than the PS5 GPU! In the same way as the SSD example above. HW dictates it is faster, regardless of how good or bad a developer may be, it's still faster. Added to this, another advantage of the SX GPU is memory bandwidth. Here again, it's substanially faster in HW -no, not all memory, but the 10GB that will be almost exclusively used for graphics, is.

Finally, lets put this together. If a dev, as is the case with the one in the article, suggests producing the same game, using the same processess, across the SX and PS5 won't have a 'development impact', what he's obviously saying is the action of producing the game will be the same. He is not saying there won't be a difference running on the different HW. PS5, should, load the game and stages faster, and therefore, by the same logic, the SX will maintain more stable framerates if a game pushes HW to it's upper limits. And judging by what devs usually do, that is, Max res while 'aiming for' @60fps. It's sensible to assume you will see more stable framerates on SX where games can't always maintain @60 throughout. This is not a fanboy thing, it's HW design.

[Father__Merrin]

Well there's a rumour started on PlayStation lifestyle that yakuza dragon is up and running at 4k 60 on ps5. I was going to submit but its a loose rumour as of now if it turns out to be true the destruction and meltdown on n4g will be collosal...

[knickstr]

I'd be more worried about the series s and how it will hold back the series x.

[Binarycode]

PS5 is on another level.

Faster raw ssd speed and compression can take it to 20gb/s
I/O throughput is unmatched and even PC has no answer atm
3D audio again is on another level.
Haptic feedback feel more then any other controller.

No they are not equal.

Microsoft is all about OLD games.

[mechethegoat]

Yet ps5 is still going to run games equivalent to the performance of a 2070 super. which isn't bad. but isn't top of the line by any means.

[RgR]

Well what about the Xbox SS and Xbox SX.
Microsoft will be competing with itself, graphically.

And since its their own console theyll have to make sure every one of their games scales down properly and possibly limiting the potential of their exclusives on the Xbox SX.

[Einhander1971]

Both are incredibly amazing systems, luckily i snagged a ps5 pre order. Will probably buy a series X next year.

[Exthun]

It comes from a developer and a game that does not match Forza Horizons 4 visuals.