The Xbox Series X Seagate Expansion Card adds 1TB of storage for $220. But what's inside it to justify that price, come find out.
Looks like if they want to go to larger than 2tb cards, they need to change their NVME chip in the memory card. Which actually opens the door to 3rd party compatible cards built on other chips and capacities.
They already said more brands and size & form factors are coming. They just needed one to be ready at the start.
Yeah, but all of them will be proprietary.
It's still twice the cost of other similar SSD's. Twisted Voxel wasn't trying to analyze the card they were trying to justify the price. They even go so far as you try toi make it seem twice as fast as it actually is. This is nothing more than propaganda.
If you can find a 1tb nvme ssd with the same speed as that card, for half the price, I’ll buy it for you.
Ausbo It's the same speed as any other PCIe 3 NVME. 2.4GB/s. The retail price is about $100 for a 1tb SSD's with that speed. Here ya go, it's even the same manufacturer. 1TB $104.99 2,400 MB/s (2.4 GB/s) https://www.amazon.com/Blue... I'll expect that to be mailed out with in 24h.
Oh shit Word is bond
Ausbo You should probably use google more.
@SoggyFalcon Of course you list a PCI 3.0 controller instead of 4.0 making your argument useless.
@Notellin Here is the requirements he was given and it said nothing about PCIe 4.0 "1 tb nvme ssd with the same speed as that card, for half the price" And If your PCIe 4.0 solution runs at 3.0 speeds then what does it matter?
☝ this Nothing more than a price promise
@Notellin pcie 3.0 x4 is the same speed as pcie 4.0 x2 witch xsx uses and controller on xsx is Phison PS5019-E19T witch is cheap dramless POS and is worst when most pcie3.0 contrellers in nvme's.
Its a pcie 4 with atleast 4GB/s speed, not 2.5. (From this very article) Ive looked into the pricing, its only a slight surcharge for the ease of not having to install shit. I just hope the price declines as the general price does.
He said half the price that’s not even close...
@someone72 "Its a pcie 4 with atleast 4GB/s speed, not 2.5. (From this very article)" Wrong. The article references the speed of CFExpress at 4gb/s. That's not the base speed of XSX SSD. It is 2.4gb/s. "I/O Throughput 2.4 GB/s (Raw), 4.8 GB/s (Compressed, with custom hardware decompression block)" https://news.xbox.com/en-us... "Ive looked into the pricing, its only a slight surcharge for the ease of not having to install shit. I just hope the price declines as the general price does." Twice as much as equivalent speed storage is twice as much? lol....ok. Suddenly using a screwdriver requires an engineering degree or something? @gamer7804 "He said half the price that’s not even close..." $104.99 is less than half the price of $220. Are you going by the base price and not the sale price? Ausbo never said anything about it having to be base price at all.
They could have went pcie 3x4 for less and gotten the same result with a vnand Evo plus m.2 for 180 currently. That's what's in my computer and it does 3.5 gb read Edit: I may be wrong in thinking pcie 3x4 is cheaper than pcie 4x1 but the memory cards for pcie 3 is definitely cheaper for the consumer
it's just new manufacturing tech... prices will go down significantly
It's not new at all, it's using a flash that has existed for years and a connector that's existed even longer. You just got fooled by deceptive marketing.
So I did more research on the subject and sequential read write speeds for ssd is 50 percent faster on average according to an article I read when comparing pcie3 to pcie4. So there is a tangible reason they went with 4x1 instead. I don't know how often sequential reading of the ssd occurs in video games but it will provide benefits.
phoenixwing The port doesn't make a drive faster than it's base speed. A 2,400 MB/s SSD on PCIe 3 is still going to be 2,400 MB/s when connected PCIe 4.
So you are paying extra for small, should have done the normal form factor or both. "I believe this is SK Hynix’s new 4D NAND, which stacks its memory cells in 128 layers"
I don't think these will ever be cheap
Once more brands become available, the price will decrease. At the moment it is just Seagate, but more are due to follow.
I think the £99 mark would be a decent price for an extra TB
Yeah that would be a steal, think i paid £89 for my 2tb seagate HDD, so i would shell out £100 for an SSD no probs.
They won't be cheap until Microsoft removed licensing fees to manufacture them. The cost has nothing to do with the number of manufacturers if Microsoft is charging $100 for the privilege to make them and blocks any true third party competition.
Proprietary cards will be always higher priced than regular NVME. Since controller is scrapped to 2 lanes and it's customized, there will be licensing fees.
Nice Info, thanks
"Xbox Series X uses a drive that is much faster than even the SSD you might have in your PC or Mac." Clearly it doesn't. The controller's real world maximum is only 3.75GB/s, and we know Microsoft have stated that practical speed is only 2.4GB/s. It's also using an industry standard CFexpress style connector, not some crazy custom design. SK hynix's 128 layer NAND does not operate at speeds above PCIe 3.0 limits. Literally any half decent PCIe 3.0 SSD drive has better raw speeds. A $150 TLC Sabrent Rocket PCIe 3.0 1TB drive pushes 3.5GB/s raw sequential read and 3GB/s write. $70 less than this drive for more raw performance. The QLC drives are even cheaper ($120), and still faster.... So again, this costs $220 because? It's in a smaller form factor? So? Series X is hardly the most compact console ever invented, there is no real need to create a particularly small drive to fit inside a rear expansion slot hidden away! Indeed, PS5 fits full length M.2 PCIE 4.0 drives with slim heatsinks without any serious issues. Was it so critical that Microsoft saved an extra couple of centimetres in length? I think not. Well we all know why it's $220. Because it's a licensed peripheral and they want to make a high margin on them, controlling the market and locking out competitor solutions that would of course drive down the price.
The fact that Microsoft was trying to pass it off as come custom connector when it's just a basic CFE card really just shows how they are constantly trying to mislead people and over sell their products with lies.
Do you remember Xbox 360 propietary memory slot? Well... history's repeating. Microsoft fixed it with Xbox 360 S, so maybe in a couple of years we can use standard, cheap NVME devices on next Xbox Series revisions. For the moment, a PS5 seems a cheaper and better solution... think about it: low end Xbox Series S with 500GB + 1TB propietary storage solution for 550$ or full fleged PS5 no drive version with 860GB + 1TB for 550$?
I am sure at some point somebody will make an adapter to plugin to the back of the console that goes from xbox proprietary connection to USB C, and you will just be able to use an external NVME enclusure to add whatever expandable storage you want as long as it meets the required read/write specs. All the back proprietary port is doing is basically just a slot that connects directly to a PCIe4 bus.
Considering is slower than many PCIE3 SSD's, its just not making sense...... To me, anyway.
Nobody is making anything for that proprietary port without buying a license from Microsoft.
Sorry looks like i needed to re-watch the video. Looks like i was mistaken, its not proprietary its a standard CF connector. So the possibility of an adapter could actually work.
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