Brian Intihar, creative director at developer Insomniac Games releases a statement on Twitter following backlash regarding Peter Parker's new look in Spider-Man Remastered.
A few words from me on today’s news... pic.twitter.com/PpdWVuw4Mm— Bryan Intihar (@bryanintihar) September 30, 2020
A few words from me on today’s news... pic.twitter.com/PpdWVuw4Mm
Wow, what a bunch of man b$&tches complaining over this issue.
What's ridiculous about it? I platinumed the game and loved the main guy, and think that the new one looks weird AF. Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion.
Because it takes nothing from the gameplay or story of the game.
"What's ridiculous about it? I platinumed the game and loved the main guy" It's ridiculous because it's just a character model. I also platinumed the game/loved the OG PP, and I don't care enough to whine about it.
I'm not really a fan of the new guy, but I don't have a problem with it either. I think it was unnecessary, but it's Insomniac's game and Insomniac's choice. It's also only a face, and not a gameplay change.
It does take away. Those of us who played the regular version grew attached or at the very least comfortable with the new face of spiderman for the games. There is a connection people make and a judgment that is made. The judgement based on the audience response was that this was a good spiderman. However, now they have to face the reality that they decided to change the look of spiderman entirely in order to...something something. When you look at the comparisons there is a stiffness in the new model...at least in what they've shown thus far. This affects the audience reaction to the story elements of the game. It can go from, "that looked great" to "Whats wrong with his face" But like all things we will get used to the change.
"When you look at the comparisons there is a stiffness in the new model" Only way to tell is seeing it in action. You can't base how "stiff" something is on a still image.
@ziggurcat There's a video A full video of a scene from the game He's stiff, and it's not as good as the original.
You gamers dont deserve sh*t i swear
I don't care what the "issue" is I'm not getting upset about an other mans face. Can't do it. Won't do it. You know Soyn is loving all this free pub though. Worked for TLOU2, you can do it again! Remember the puddles? Fantastic marketing by gamers everywhere. Every time gamers make up a controversy for Sony games they cut their marketing budget half.
I couldn't care less about this tbh. Hell, I prefer the new Peter over the OG.
@heavy But why the complaining? Thats the question.
Games are a visual medium. You can’t talk about music and say “who cares what it sounds like.”
"Games are a visual medium." Sure, but in this case it doesn't matter what Peter Parker looks like. It doesn't affect the gameplay at all, and he looks more in line with who they have playing him in the movie franchise. Also, people complaining that he looks younger than MM fail to understand that there are people who look a lot younger than they are. I'm one of those people. My father is also one of them - if not for his grey hair, you wouldn't know that he's pushing his mid-70's.
“It doesn't affect the gameplay at all, and he looks more in line with who they have playing him in the movie franchise.” These aren’t the movies. Should they swap out Aunt May’s actress for Marisa Tomei because movies? Insomniac’s Vulture was bald like the comics/cartoons. They didn’t do MCU’s Michael Keaton. Tom Holland’s also playing Nathan Drake. Better to just keep with their own continuity.
Ehhhh it really doesn't matter, though - continuity or not. It's a remaster of the game, not a straight-up res bump/fps increase, and that comes with some changes.
@Ziggurcat Actually it is precisely in games where it is extremely important what character models look like. I personally liked that the actor looked nothing like insomniacs creation.
@P_Bomb This guy gets it.
Looks way better to me TBH, I wouldn't see any justification for complaining either way though.
Personally, I like this one better as well.
Yea, must be an unpopular opinion...
I much prefer the new one
Why is it every time a big successful game does something that p***** fans off the ones who don't give a shit because it doesn't affect them try and spin it so the people complaining are "bitching" and are "trolls" over a "small issue". No one is calling the game shit, we're just voicing a legit complaint. Their Twitter is a shit show comments wise, Facebook is, the Youtube ratio is on a downward slope and Reddit isn't much better. This isn't just a small thing, people LOVED Spiderman on the PS4. Changing Peter to a brand new mo-cap / face actor which makes him look completely different is not a small thing, the guy has gone from looking like an older, wiser 23 Spiderman who's been in the game for a long time, to a brand new 15 year old baby face Peter Parker, a guy who you'd expect to hang out with Miles in high school, not be his mentor. Miles is 15 and Peter is 23 but Miles looks way older, plus seeing this guy dating / flirting with MJ / Black Cat is going to look weird. Insomniacs "points" don't really land for me, they seem like excuses and I can't believe they wouldn't just go the most logical choice and get a new actor who looks similar to the old Peter model. Are we really supposed to believe it's just a big coincidence the new guy looks almost exactly like Tom Holland, the MCU Spiderman, a version of the character who in the films is a high school student.
Hmm are you preparing your argument to defend review bombing the game already?
"we're just voicing a legit complaint." It's not a legit complaint.
@ziggurcat Are you kidding me? Course it is, he's the main bloody character, how much in denial can you be? Going off your comments you are either burying your head in the sand because you don't want to admit a decent studio could ever do such a thing (they can no one is perfect) or you don't give a shit to the point where because you don't care everyone else shouldn't. Imagine if you are watching a film and half way through the film or even in a directors cut they swap the actor around. What about if you are reading a comic book and they decide to get a different artist which makes everyone look totally different because the new guys art style is his own, again it's not something you can brush off. It's a big thing. It's a legit issue at the end of the day an they shouldn't have done this. No one would have given a shit about the facial mo-cap stuff being the same as the original in the Remaster, especially for a launch game, they could have easily just waited for the sequel and change things around then when they find a better replacement.
"Peter is 23" And he looks exactly what a 23-year old would look like.
Kratos has changed, Dante has changed, Master Chiefs armor has changed, Solid Snake changed, Link changes every time. Character models change when graphics improve or artists have more time with their characters or whatever, thats creative freedom. This is the kind of things that gets people talking outta both sides of their mouth. Makes me think y'all want artist to have the creative freedom to do whatever you want them to do...
***something that p***** fans off*** Fans shouldn't be pissed off about this, IMHO. They can be disappointed, but not pissed off. And why did you even censor 'pissed'? Pissed off, though, relates to harsh anger towards something. That seems to be an unnecessary amount of concern over this sort of change. ***I can't believe they wouldn't just go the most logical choice and get a new actor who looks similar to the old Peter model.*** Uhhh.... you just told them to recast the voice actor.
Imo the new face looks better. Sure it looks a bit too young but it shares a lot of similarities with MCU Peter, and that is a GOOD thing (why wouldn't it be)? It's better for both medias: Game Spidey and movie Spidey feel now more like the same character. Also one important point: Easily the biggest graphical downfalls of PS4 Spiderman is the way faces look like. There is this uncanny valley feeling all the time, especially when looking at aunt May and Peter Parker. I actually started to play Spider-Man just one week ago (now around 60% in) and the character face models terrify me. This new look of Peter is a big upgrade in a sense that he actually looks like a real person now. Too young yes, but still better than the old one. I believe a lot of hate comes from die hard fans that are just used to the way Peter looks atm and cannot stand any change. Even for the better.
@xHeavyx To answer your question, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with you voicing your opinion, regardless on whether you agree or disagree on the subject matter. In this case, there has been nothing but insults and unwarranted attacks because you have a bunch of man children complaining over a “character model change”. And who cares if you played the original game? What does that have to do with developers being insulted because of a design change they decided to make?
Looks like its the same people who did the avengers faces lol.
I like the new face better.
Amen, if you're really upset about this then the problem is you. There is persistent phony outrage regarding anything Sony.
Yet another Negative Sony article, now there's a surprise lol
Can't imagine being this lame...
Just let the studio do their thing.
Creative freedom was just a catch phrase I guess.
Another conundrum. Do we allow companies to do what they want or do we want them to censor themselves and do what some of the community want? Which side of the fence will this one fall on compared to other forms of changes that companies make?
Fans shouldn't be forcing devs to stifle their creative vision. They can cry all they want, but it's not something that's up to them to decide.
If it was a new game maybe but its a remaster there is no reason to change a game in a remaster especially since its not a big leap from the original. A remake of an old game i could understand but their reasoning doesn't make sense either. They claim that they needed to change the person who the facial animation is based on because the facial bones in the ps4 actor don't match up close enough with the voice actor. Except the voice actor looks more like the old PS4 model than the new one and i didn't see a problem with the old lip movement. Plus what are the chances the person they find happens to look just like Tom Holland. I think its more likely they wanted it to look like Tom Holland because none of the other characters seem to have to change their actors and you would think they would have put the most effort into making sure the main character had a compatible actor the first time around.
that doesn't mean fans shouldn't voice their opinions. This is entertainment, not some abstract art project
@Bobertt Nah fam. The new actor's bone structure and face shape are MUCH closer to Yuri's, and that's what matters. Chin, cheekbones, jawline, eye shape, all closer. https://pbs.twimg.com/media... https://pbs.twimg.com/media...
Gamers let them do what they want but also get the right to complain/criticise.
Counter point, they made the game they wanted in Spider-Man PS4 but this change looks more like an attempt to make him look like MCU Spider-Man so this is not the original creative vision. So yes they should change it back to how they had it
Thank you lol. I'm glad ppl are seeing it. This is why I never jump on the censorship hate banwagon. The ppl who complain alot of times are unreasonable or hypocrites. One second they will tell devs they need to do what they prefer. Next they cry censorship. From the moment they did it and cried about SFV, With Cammy and Mika I knew none of it made sense. This is the devs creative freedom. Did I like the Peter model initially, yes. But I'm not mad at the new model. The game looks even better so no reason to cry.
Not much of a conundrum. It all depends on what they are doing. Are they adding predatory mtx's, paywalls, and other forms of BS? Are they gender swapping beloved characters or changning ethnicities? Do we allow them to pretend we're stupid and not complain about anything at all? Game developers make money off creating products that people like...it behooves them to be aware of what people will like otherwise they make games nobody likes and lose money. Censorship is when a media is altered or changed due to pressure. The change or alteration usually revolves around some politcal or cutlural statement. People not liking the new look, considering he remains white, isnt censorship.
***The change or alteration usually revolves around some politcal or cutlural statement.*** 9 times out of 10, people see this when they want. Not when it actually happens. Let alone those decisions are because the developer wants to make them, not from pressure from others. But, glad you got the one side of my argument exactly as intended.
Fans get mad when publishers or other companies don't allow developers creative freedom, so they shouldn't be in the way of it themselves either.
the face definitely looks different but im sure the gameplay will still be good.
People get upset over the stupidest things. It's just a character model. Who cares.
I think being upset and confused over this is pretty reasonable. The original character art was great, and fans were attached. Myself included.
And one that is only visible during cutscenes, massive overreaction by gamers.
They should make Ellie African American in the last of us 3 then. Its just a character model mos
Lol damn. Has there been any GOOD news relating to PlayStation lately? It seems like everything posted on here over the last 2 weeks relating to Sony or PS5 has been bad news or controversial.
Which is certainly rare, I'm so used to negative Xbox or Nintendo news instead (and good stories from each sitting in Pending for nearly a whole day)
That total BS. There has always been more negative Sony news than Xbox. Clickbait science is this lol, the most popular console should get the negative articles, that will drive more traffic.
When you trying hard enough, anything can be bad news. We can praise the developer for making the effort to update facial expression, or we can act like they killed our dogs. And sadly a bunch of us chose the latter, making sure there are enough hatred and negativity to go around, as if 2020 isn't bad enough.
if you are on top, you have to accept the haters. they come with the fame
Remember when they changed Max's face from Max Payne in Max Payne 2? No one? Oh ok ...
I totally remember Max Payne 2. The backlash to Timothy Gibbs was real. Needless to say they didn’t bring him back for Max Payne 3.
What are you talking about? It was based on James McCaffrey the actor that voiced max, and they did keep more aligned with that design more so than the original. Which was based on Sam Lake, the writer. I remember the backlash, but it made sense for the same reasons this makes sense. If you want more realistic facial animations based on qm actors real world reference. Then it helps that the model more resemble the actor. I think what they did in mgs5 is way Worse. Or the last splinter cell.
Max Payne 1 model was Sam Lake. Max Payne 2 model was Timothy Gibbs. https://maxpayne.fandom.com... . MaxPayne 3 = James McCaffrey Splinter Cell Blacklist deffo raised some eyebrows when they ditched Michael Ironside.
Happened with Infamous 2, Tomb Raider reboot and Ellie from TLoU too.
Well, Tomb Raider was a Reboot after all. Or are you referring to the Tomb Raider Definitive Edition? Where Lara's face was altered slightly.
@Raiden Yeah I was referring to the Definitive Edition.
Character model looks much better
LOLOLOLOL this is like the infamous 2 cole change fiasco. The change is so unnecessary and out of nowhere. Aside from 60fps and res upgrades, the game looks exactly the same. Peter was completely fine and his face was the one we all know and love. Ill be keeping my money away from this so called remaster... Why couldnt you just patch the ps4 version or do a free upgrade sony....
The old Peter was a little ugly lol and looked older than 23. This one seems closer to his age.