PS4 success has PS5 early adopters feeling burned by PlayStation and cross-generation exclusive video games, but it only helps PS5 early adopters.
Next-gen consoles will arrive this year. But Sony and Microsoft's decisions made next-gen games be delayed to 2022 at least.
I'm reluctant to agree with you but it does more so seem that it'll be another 2 years or so before we start seeing next gen exclusive's as a standard. I'm not on the complaint boat that alot of people seem to be, I pre ordered one just because of the future ahead as well as being able to complete my back catalogue. I'm not really upset about it though it feels a little (A LITTLE I empathise) like an upgrade like what the pro did. Sure we can play our old games with possible frame rate increases but the ps4 games themselves won't change graphically unless re-written, and untill we start seeing the exclusives in the way they will be showcased it feels more like an upgrade to me. Again, I'm not complaining at all but maybe just not quite as excited as I was before knowing this cross gen at the start. Support for the ps4 though must continue as its far from over with it's capabilities. Mixed emotions.
There is a very logical reason why you dont see as much of an improvement and how it seems like how the pro and x were received. Next gen hardware isnt about what you will see. Its about what you wont see. You cant see 3d audio but it will effect how the games sound. You cant see the SSD but it will effect how the games load. You cant see the haptic feedback but it will effect how the games feel. Adding those together creates a more engrossing next gen experience than what you could see. And the amount of smaller, finer details will be enhanced leading to the impression that you are seeing next gen. True generational leaps used to be things like 2D to 3D and then from 3D to photo realistic graphics. We reached those a while ago, everything else has been evolutionary. So the real benefits of next gen wont be so obvious to the eye but instead to the overall experience. God that sounds like marketing speak... haha
I don't know about you, but I'm playing Demon's Souls this year and R&C when it comes out, 2 clear next generation games with my ps5 + all the cross generation games
I'm so looking forward to Demon's Souls as that is the only souls game that I missed out on...........now if only I could get a damn PS5 preorder.
Although Demon's Souls come only for PS5 it's not a game that NEEDS PS5. It's a PS3 game with a fresh coat of paint. I get that some people accept visuals as a new gen. I don't. I think we need games that make experiences that were impossible on older hardware. Remember how Skyirm was almost impossible to play on PS3? PS4 made possible big open world games. Not only prettier games. And there's only one game that seems to be impossible on PS4: Ratchet & Clank. Beside that PS5 will be a PS4 Pro Pro for almost 2 years. The same can be said about Xbox Series X.
Demon's Souls is a better looking PS3 game, hardly what I would define as a true next generation game.
That is ridiculous. 90% of games that ship in the first two years of any console cycle are based on game engines from the previous generation. Spider-man MM, Horizon Forbidden West, etc. it is just dumb the concept that they can only ship games on the new console. The reality is that nothing is holding back next gen games except the time to create them. Hardware was finalized for each console in probably around May. Developers take at least two years after that to build engines that truly take advantage of the hardware. That is just common sense.
Keep ignoring Demon Souls brah, I’m gonna be super busy playing a next gen game day 1 on PS5.
You are gonna be super busy playing a HD remaster of a PS3 game day 1 on PS5... brah
some one should tell darth the difference between a remake and a remaster :facepalm:
"But Sony and Microsoft's decisions made next-gen games be delayed to 2022 at least." Demon's Souls Remake says hello
A ps3 remaster is your definition of next gen on PS5? 🤔
It's a remake, not a remaster, two very different things. And yes, if the game was built from the ground up for PS5.
It has been in development for at least two years on ps4 dev kits. It was first rumored back in 2018 if I recall.
Demons souls and ranche&C are only true nextgen game in term of fidelity visuals textures assets etc. So it's upsetting but we at least getting some nextgen games. And others even if they are still current gen they will be amazing games but sony missing a big opportunity here for catering current gen for so long
Just so I understand the author correctly, the PS1 and PS2 weren't too succcessful to ignore, but the PS4 is even though video games are way more mainstream now than they were before? Seems like a cop-out to me. I get why they're doing it, but it has nothing to do with the success of the PS4 so much as they won't have 40m consoles to sell in the first year and a lot less people have the money right now in certain regions.
Pretty much to find any way to justify what Sony is going back on
Can you show me where they said these games would not appear on the PS4? That would be a big help.
They are just trying to justify something that needs to be criticized.
From a business standpoint makes perfect sense. But as a soon to be early adopter, I’m less thrilled about it. For some games it doesn’t matter much, but for something that’s trying to innovate, like R&C: A Rift Apart, that’s what I want to see. Games that take advantage of the features of the next Gen (like the SSD) hope the cross gen sh!t doesn’t last too long.
Aka: Cross platform on Ps is great Cross platform on Xbox is garbage I personally think cross platform is not ideal regardless of the implementation, but I get it. That said the "Sony can do no wrong" takes on the internet are tiresome
I don't get it, are these guys just extremely young or something? I mean, I've only bought a Sony console since like the PS3 but I'm sick of this sycophantic attitude. If the company does something wrong, call them out on it, for Christ's sake! This site has had a wackadoo amount of Sony bias in its community for several years now but even so....
They gotta be young. I mean love whatever box you buy, right? It's your money. But when someone's giving you the runaround, especially a multibillion-dollar company, you probably should be telling them to screw off instead of kissing their ass. They're not doing you any favors. But that's just me 🤷♂️
Really? The XBox One had the most grossly loyal fanbase on this site for years now. There is absolutely no defence for the XBox One this generation. Some very loyal users even quit after the Halo Infinite showcase and had left for weeks after they had no more excuses left for the poor quality and misguidance of MS studios after all this time, and still have hardly any game releases for another couple years. Fanboys on both sides are bad. One side simply has a larger fanbase, common sense. Don't join a useless fanboy fight by pointing blame and hypocrite fingers when both sides neglect their consoles criticisms that they find for the competitor. No side is any less or more toxic in attitude. But, one thing that really angered me this generation was the insane excuses and lack of care for games from XBox justifiers. At the end of the day, games have always mattered, and even now it's always wait till x and y come out. You never get back time, and I'm not spending my favorite lifelong hobby peddling PR statements for either side. I see results from Sony, and Nintendo. MS is still a major work in progress. They have the materials but they still need to build something great.
Have to be kids. No way adults are this childish.
I'm more of a PlayStation guy in terms of enthusiasm for first party; believe me nobody's more excited about the new God of War than me. That said, how is this blind eye toward Sony releasing new games on their old console anything other than hypocrisy? This huge sin committed by Microsoft has now been committed by Sony, but it's somehow not the same? I'm just saying, let's be honest and boil both eggs.
Great. Now I want an egg sandwich.
I literally just had an egg sandwich on toasted French bread.
It’s not the same, do a graphics/gameplay comparison between the Craig(Halo) trailer and Miles Morales, they are both cross-gen titles, but they’re also miles apart(pun intended) in the those departments. One was in dire need of big delay, the other is ready for day one release. I wish Sony’s intentions were more forward but at least they didn’t show up with products that look like boo boo, and it was done to Xbox’ primary mascot. Different levels of screw up here, but that’s just my opinion
This is correct you can't give up on 110 million gamers. Spiderman on ps4/5 combined has the potential to sell 20+ million Same goes for HFW easily could do 15+ million. As gamers we know Sony won't tell developers to hold back. Did we not see TLOU2 and Ghost which both look amazing on current console
They’re going to get left behind eventually. That’s just how consoles work. What PS1 cross-gen titles did I play on PS2? What PS2 cross-gen titles did we play on PS3? Sure there’s titles in development that were released on PS3 and PS4, which makes sense during the transition, I mean why keep early adopters away from playing a new title, but it’s never been backwards. You didn’t see Killzone or Infamous Second Son on the PS3.
You have to take into account this pandemic which has caused more headaches and shortages. So maybe early on both Ms and Sony feel like they can get genie money's worth with cross gen titles
What the hell did I miss? Why is there an uproar on this subject? They do this transition every generation for the 1st year or so along with 3rd parties as well. After about year two(?) is when they leave behind the previous gen and focus on the new gen while 3rd parties will continue to milk/support the previous gen until year 3.
Because people lack comprehension skills. The article admits to misinterpreting Ryan's comments (but still doesn't seem to have fully comprehended what was said). - Xbox boss Phil Spencer, in his own words, gets "soapboxy" in declaring "our device is not the centre of our strategy, our game is not the centre of the strategy" and that he finds it " completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about." https://www.gamesindustry.b... - Debates ensue about this approach holding back next gen. - The same outlet later interviews Jim Ryan and asks if PS would take the same position as Xbox. Ryan states that they "believe in generations" and "that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features." - He states in the same interview, "We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5." https://www.gamesindustry.b... - With both companies on the record, their distinct positions add fuel to a console war debate that is already blazing over the reveal and delay of Halo. Some online commentators go so far as to make ridiculous claims downplaying upcoming PS5 titles while others go overboard in in making claims about what is only capable on next-gen hardware. - PS reveals that Spider-Man, Sackboy, and HFW will be cross-generation titles while others, such as Astro's Playroom, Demon's Souls, and Ratchet and Clank, will be PS5 exclusive. - The internet erupts with false claims that Sony lied from a mixture of those looking for anything negative to stick to PS, those who went overboard in their claims of what was only capable on next gen hardware and looking for someone to blame for the egg on their face, and those who lack the reading comprehension to understand that what Sony is doing is consistent with Jim Ryan's comments about providing next gen exclusive content while also continuing support for PS4. So now you have folks making false and illogical claims about PS lying. They're too whipped up to consider what PS would have to gain from lying about exclusives only to reveal the truth before a single preorder could be placed. And preorders can be cancelled. And even the village idiot knew demand was already going to exceed supply. People need to take a breath and think.
Wow, I see the view points from each brand now and see the fanboy rage and reading comprehension issues. Thanks for the reference and summary!
1st party launch titles have never been on previous gen. You are all children, this has to be your first gen since you were cognizant.
I was pissed but I'm over it. Most of the cross gen games look better than anything we saw this gen so I know we're in good hands.
Any game that has to create a last gen version is being held back by the older hardware. End of Story.
Its not last gen. There is this gen and next gen. Which is why there is nothing held back.
By that logic they shouldn't have given up on PS1 PS2 and PS3 with the release of PS4. Please stop trying to make excuses for multibillion-dollar company when they screw up their marketing language. They don't need you defending them.
That's not how this works. Being held back is not based on how successful a console was. It is purely based on older technology affecting the design of a game. For instance, if Spider-man's swing speed on PS5 was capped in the Miles Morales game due to the slower data streaming speed of the PS4 version. They may have two different versions of the game so that this doesn't come into play but was just throwing this out as a potential example. Sony should have been honest about it rather than trying to score some cheap points for fanboys for something they were planning on doing to some of their games. I think both companies messed this up. Sony for not being honest and Microsoft for not doing it on a game by game basis. Halo Infinite being on Xbox One truly f'd that game from a graphics perspective which gave people the wrong first impression. it will have the most capability from a hardware standpoint but it doesn't come across that way due to the cross-gen nature of it.
I just pre ordered Halo so I will see for myself how it looks on the base One, the S, the X and the SX. Im sure it will look fine across the board but some will still find fault.
We already know it doesn't look great running on a high spec pc.
This is correct. Horizon 1 was going to originally have flying mounts for Aloy but the Ps4 couldn't stream the world in quick enough to justify it so it was cut. Unless the PS5 version of Horizon 2 has flying mounts and the PS4 one doesn't, I'll know it was held back. At least Demon's Souls and R&C are true exclusives (among others).
Since Cerny has already made an issue out of Spider-Man's speed of travel on the PS4 versus the PS5 I do not think that is going to be an issue. They specifically used that game and his movement as an example in demonstrating just one of the SSD's advantages. I really want someone to show me where Sony stated these early generation games on the PS5 that are crossover titles were not going to appear on PS4.
Completely agree with this take, ignore the down votes.
It’s not very often I agree with people on this normally highly toxic forum.. but I do agree with your thoughts. Very balanced and truthful.
I am perfectly happy with a pro model every few years. Particularly excited for the PS5 due to it actually delivering noticeable pro features this time.
I rather have a new generation every 5 years instead of a pro and a stupid 7 years sicle
Then go with nintendo. They are 4-5 years tops.
Nintendo is like 2 generation behind f them lol
Now that the cpu is up to date a pro model might actually feel like a new generation, I'd be happy though with 3-5 years. Vega performance 2 years ago would have been close to what we are currently getting minus features such as dlss. if that happens.
Don't like the article much specially no mention of PS4 Pro which was badly needed to run the current gen games at optimal performance and visuals. To ensure the games didn't crashed and burned. Besides, it is clear that this is going to be a very PC centric gaming generation.
All will be forgotten/forgiven in a months time, I guarantee you that. Because no one cares about semantics.
It’s a catch 22. Personally I’m less inclined to drop $700 on something I don’t need in order to play said games. They shoulda cut the cord at Horizon 2. Don’t take your system seller IP for granted. Especially if competition’s heating up (see Zenimax).
PS4 still going strong! Look out for a pro slim model for the casuals
Oh, God, I won't even comment further on this hypocritical garbage trash article.
Exactly, only the stupid cant see that. Some gamers never bought the ps4 late in the cycle so that would be a kick in the teeth for them. Also the system still has plenty to give technically.
not so sure about these base systems. Think we all would've been better served if Sony/MS retired them in 2018 and used the Pro/X model for 2 more years. Completely agree though over 25 million PS4s have been sold in 2019/20. You have to show continued support and Sony intimated a year ago PS4 would be company's focal point through 2021. I just assumed most of Sony's big hitters wouldn't be launching in that window. Not gonna lie - I am disappointed that HZD2 and most likely GOW 2 will be tethered to last gen limitations.
PS4 received plenty of cross gen titles in its first few years. I don’t see the problem here. Do people just want Sony to abandon the massive PS4 install base like Nintendo did with Wii U? Games are getting more expensive to produce each generation, and companies are not going to take financial risks and limit so many of their high budget titles to platforms with relatively low instal bases. They will gradually focus solely on those next gen platforms like they did with this gen and the gen prior to this.
Everyone stfu buy the consoles you like and thats that, everyone trynna be the next big video game analyst
No this is totally royal BS cross gen is a joke because they now know that the ps5 is not gonna have a big start, specially with those prices. The fact that you are gonna be able to play pider-Man: Miles Morales and Horizon Forbidden West on ps4 is a joke and an insult to early buyers of ps5, See this is exactly why Halo was delayed cause they could've done the same thing and people would' have crucified MS for doing that but Sony does it, then it's justified and gets a free pass? Hell no! So yes ps5 is getting held back because Sony is terrief now more than ever that MS is playing rough with the aqicisions from different studios and now with the GamePass.
Sold way too many to just ignore it , just about every ps5 game will be on PS4 for the first three years . I just hope they do more with ai this gen instead of unlockable modern wardrobe simulators .
Entitled gamers don't understand business, they just think it's all about them and everything is unfair lol
Am I to assume you don't agree? Lmao
Keep that same energy with Microsoft you blatant hypocrites.
So you’re telling me Miles wouldn’t look any better if it were squarely developed to take full advantage of the PS5? Look at Demon’s Souls and tell me that. Cross-gen games holds next-gen games back, pure and simple. I want to see a digital Foundry vid break down the significant PS5 boost from PS4 with Miles. I guarantee you there won’t be much aside from performance and optimization.