A conclusion can be drawn after this massive blowout of next generation Xbox news. Value is the key factor for Xbox going forward.
Its current value is very poor in content, MS can you please show me what a next gen game look like to you? , and please not another Craig.
Yeah we all see through the B.S of articles like this, it's ridiculous. This is ps4/xbone gen literally repeating itself.
And the claim that some make that Game Pass is undisputably the "best value in gaming" is just wrong. When you can play and stream at least twice the number of games for 1/3 - 1/2 the cost of Game Pass on PS Now, that statement is false. Also you can do free 2 play online without PS Plus. Playstation has the better value and the better games. A $299 console changes nothing.
So which Xbox are you going to get Chris? I mean its the reason you comment so much in XB related articles. You have a strong closet attraction to Xbox so just come out already. Be honest with yourself and stand up to those who would look down on you for admitting you really do like them. Im sure more people would stand up with you. Like i said... come to the dark side. We have cookies.
Do things like this annoy you?
Value?! Yuck, the XS is more like a worthless POS. It shouldnt exist, its pointless and WILL hold the gen back.
Admit it Chris. You want that thick black hunk of TFLOPS in your living room! 🤣
Value is always great and a good reason to buy a console. However, games are the most important reason to buy a console, and without any AAA 1st IP's games launching until sometime in 2021 (Halo nad hopefully Forza) nor any new AAA 1st party games launching until more than likely early 2022, the value Xbox is offering is only towards their existing fans who stuck with them throughout the XBO generation, those of us who are generally multiplatform / omniplatform owners, and maybe to gamers of other platforms holiday 2022 and by then the PS5 lead will be too great. I think MS has a great console with the Series X, and a decent console with the Series S that offers as they said and as Xbox Execs tune has changed to, value. They just have to get the games.
Was there a need to have literally in that sentence? Unless you’re Jesus, then you can’t predict a gen.
MS: focus on getting as many subscribers as possible!!! All I care about is taking money out of the customer's pocket legally every month with as little effort as possible! Sony: we need more great exclusives at a faster rate!
Bravo MS for looking at the current trends and offering choice to consumers. Love it!
MS Flight Sim looks pretty next gen.
Focus should be on massive AAA games. But that will never happen again. Not with all their eggs in Gamepass.
agreed. Gamepass is all Phil cares about. They forgot what a AAA game is completely. Just gamepass filler and indies to justify subs.
"They forgot what a AAA game is completely. Just gamepass filler and indies to justify subs" I guess you missed Flight Simulator's release
Ever wild, New IP from The Initiative rumored AAA perfect dark also say hi.
AngelicIceDiamond Yea, but when will those be out 22-24 at the soonest? Microsoft can't even show gameplay of any of their games that how far out they are. Their most finished game was apparently Halo and look how that turned out. And Fable only showed a logo because it hasn't even started production. Seriously can you ever think of a generation where a console maker tried to sell their next gen console by showing mainly last gen games aka Gears 5 that they keep demoing. They aren't doing that because they want to they are doing it because they literally have nothing next gen to show. If Sony announces some new big hits tomorrow and announces release windows/dates for the games they have shown so far it's game over for Microsoft. People were telling you in 2017-2018 when Microsoft had no games that it was going to be a long term problem for them but loyal xbox people argued now here we are and nothing except Halo and Forza even seem likely before 22 and most of that unless they rush just to put something out look like 23-24 and beyond. Sony has been producing games non-stop releasing 3-4 AAA games year after year plus minor games and VR games and publishing indies. And if that's not enough they have said they want to increase the ammount of games they release.
@Problem rumor is right. We don't know what game it is. It could a existing IP or something new. Either way it's AAA from a AAA studio. You're right 2 games that were made previous to MS acquisition. We gotta see what they come up with completely under MS
GamePass is a hit, why would you not care about it. Sour grapes?
"Never happen again" Did you miss Flight Simulator's launch the other week?
Flight Simulator is less a game and totally a simulation platform intended to last a decade if not more.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thanks, I haven't laughed like that in a while
Hell Blade 2, Avowed and Fable say hi.
They aren't AAA size. Fable is most likely going to be a GAAS game which is a horrible idea. If Hell Blade 2 is anything like the first game, then NO, it's not AAA at all, not even close. Avowed? Maybe, but it worries me with MS behind it. They want it to live on Gamepass for a decade. They want to drip feed mediocre content into the same GAAS game. Basically, MS has proven NOTHING. Nothing, but Gamepass. Their eyes are all over it, and Gamepass means lesser quality than Sony's massive AAA exclusives.
They can't say hi yet - they're far from even existing. They say " "
We've seen close to nothing. And I literally mean nothing. They've barely peaked their heads let alone a "hi" Trailers do not equal a good game. The difference between MS showing trailers and Sony showing trailers is track record. We can be pretty darn sure that Sonys games will turn out good but with MS we have absolutely no idea what will happen. I do want an awesome fable game though. It is the most exciting franchise MS has for me other than possibly State of Decay 3
All 3 of those are just cgi pipe dreams until MS can actually prove they will be quality releases. Probably at least 3 years from now
None of which will be out in the next year or more, along with Halo. Keep bragging
@Potato hmm nice fairy tale. Go argue with MS what kind of games they are and see what they tell you. But nice attempt at down play applause. @Crazy that's not the argument. He said they aren't focusing on AAA games. The July event says woefully the opposite. Doesn't matter what we've seen because that wasn't the argument potato made.
Going by job listing Fable hasn't even started production.
Value for me is quality rather than quantity.
"Buyer Beware" should be the focus of "Next Gen." All digital consoles, from MS and Sony both, which limit owner to only be able to buy from console makers. Not to mention "always" online. This is the XB1 launch all over again, even if its a slow vs a fast boil.
If I am looking for value then I'll go with mobile gaming. I'll take quality.
I like value and quality and it's all pointing to PS5 Microsoft has not shown any exclusives that have shown quality.
That's the same thing "Walmart" says to their investors.
Game Pass is a game changer plain and simple. They do need to have quality titles but I have no doubt with all the new studios they've acquired that we'll be seeing some great games from them this generation.
Dude, they couldn’t even get Halo right.. let alone new exclusive games.. if any.
GP has existed for years. It has changed nothing. It did nothing to increase X1 sales.
The game pass model just doesn't support high budget, high quality games. The best they can do is add older games after they have had a chance to recoup development costs.
There will be some games that will target a specific market, the GaaS drip fed always playing content type of gamer. That's simply not what I'm looking for. I want a high budget single player game. MS arent giving me that
So what actual proof do all of you have that they have nothing but GaaS and no high quality games coming?
@rlow1: Past history. Seriously, given their past examples of high profile titles that under-performed, like Crackdown 3 or average games like state of decay, Kinect which hurt them to no end, what evidence do you have that MS have simply "turned things around"? And going to be putting out quality games.
Key words "this generation" a generation is a long time. Sony will be at 40-50 million console sold before half the games Microsoft has shown so far even release.
GAME Pass Now sure you can chuck any old tat on and say we’ve got 150 games. Quality over quantity and when barely anything is released exclusively by them it’s wasted day1 launches great maybe when they actually launch stuff. If Sony and Nintendo we’re doing this great as you know what your signing up for they’ll deliver solid 3/4 games per year so if one of those is good subscription paid the rest is a bonus. Otherwise I’m paying a subscription for 3rd party shovel ware I didn’t want in the first place now I’m gonna subscribe to it. Nah.
Dollar store is a great value and less generic than Xbox.
It seems that M$ considers next gen to be a 1440p gaming machine with the actual 4K machine being the "High End" upgrade. Pretty low standards. Sony is doing it right disc and digital different price, same specs Only the hardcore Xbox fan is hyped for the Xbox brand, there is no hype for it. They haven't shown any games running on the X due to the S. My last Xbox console, series X. The future for me personally after this upcoming gen, PS and PC.
The 30 million or so unemployed might be happy to have the option of series S.
Or they have the option of a current gen console with a huge catalog of games.
If you're unemployed I don't think you're buying any consoles... Your thinking about putting food on the table and paying rent. Wellfare isn't paying for video games.
dont care about the unemployed. they want cheap let em get amiga or pong. no excuse to choke a new generation for the poor who should be workin instead o gaming.
If you are unemployed you will have more things to worry about than buying a damn games system(and they shouldn't be thinking of buying one not even the Series S as that money should be put to bills/putting food on the table you know the necessity to live stuff and games are not a necessity). They need to look for a new job first before ever considering getting a games system period.
Or they shouldn't be buying consoles when they have to be putting food on the table. Priorities.....gaming is an EXPENSIVE HOBBY. Edit: I just saw RightFoot made the exact same comment....I'm not the only one with common sense
Xbox Series X for me. Xbox brings the following: Great exclusives to kick off next generation Gears Tactics, Crossfire X, Flight Simulator, The Medium, Second Extinction, Call of the Sea Tetris Effect Connected, Scorn and The Falconeer. Xbox Series X - $35 monthly includes Xbox Live, Ultimate Xbox GamePass with EA Play, and XCloud mobile gaming with 200 games. 15 studios delivering Hellblade Senua's Saga, Halo Infinite, Fable 3, Forza Motorsport, EverWild, State of Decay 3, Avowed and As Dusk Falls. Plus more unnannouced projects. Xbox Back Compat w/ over a 1000 games day one. Best performance on 3rd party exclusives - Yakuza like a Dragon, Watchdogs, Assassins Creed Valhalla, Dirt 5, COD, Cyberpunk 2077. The value is undeniable.
You didn’t name a single exclusive
Enjoy! However Tetris Effect, I have it with PSVR. MS paying paying for a timed exclusive 2 player mode is OK in this case?
Good luck my friend.
Considering the expansion slot for the proprietary memory slots on the Xbox series systems. Value isn’t there, when you have to fork out 100-200 to increase the value of of the cheapest model. I think they missed the mark for me
Are prices confirmed?
Not yet, but if you look at MS history with their existing proprietary cards. They have been 100-200. The current usb 3.0 external ssd for Xbox one is 200 bucks. I don’t see them releasing a better one cheaper
Let's be honest. GaaS is the focus of xbox next gen.
There IS no value when you have nothing next gen to offer for your next gen console.
Value is determined by the consumer when compared with competing brands. It currently appears valuable because PS has not announced their price point. Also the value of a gaming brand is directly related to how valuable their exclusives are. In Xbox's case they still need to show that they've learned from their mistakes and will be making quality games. This entire generation it has lacked in the games department which is the only area that matters. Lets say their focus this gen was mediocrity. Next gen is still to be determined.
And PlayStation fans should be thanking Xbox for manning up and releasing the price.
What are you going to say on Thursday?
😂😂😂 didn’t Microsoft’s not so secret secondary console get leaked forcing them into it. The only things Sony fans thanks Microsoft for is showing them what not to do. They done it for 8-10 years now.
Why? Did you honestly believe that we wouldnt know the prices of these consoles before launch?
Wow, actual common sense. It's refreshing. I'm really hoping they turn things around. Shaky start, but with their new studios the potential is there.
I agree. I would like good games from MS. Really curious about Fable and Avowed but theyre a ways off.
Games as a service is...the way of the future! Sony will be doing the same thing soon. Why would they make an all digital flagship console? Moving more games to PC? Joining with MS for it's cloud streaming project? It's inevitable but the hardcore will fight it to accept it until there is no choice left.