Friday, Apple released new app store review guidelines that are meant to improve subscription services ability to provide game streaming.
“The update to the guidelines will now allow streaming services like Google Stadia and the aforementioned xCloud the ability to offer its game streaming services through the App store. However, there is a catch or two. For one, those games that are part of the subscription service must be downloaded from the App store, not directly from the subscription services’ own app. Additionally, while these services will be allowed to display a catalog in their own app of the games, those must link back to the individual app to be downloaded from the app store, and will need to be stand-alone and retain some at least minimal functionality when downloaded. This, in essence, defeats some of the purpose behind streaming a game title.” Will all steaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Spotify and Pandora have the same rules apply to them? Stop discriminating against game services. M$ pays for those game licenses and for the servers the gamers Stream off of, not you Apple. Your not entitled to the micro transactions.
Yep. This is the problem. Apple treats games different than everything else. They claim everyone has to follow the same rules, but that's factually untrue.
Just Apple being Apple.
Did anyone actually read the rule in the article because it clearly say they have to offer the games as a stand alone as well. It’s beneficial for the service provider and the regular joe as if someone don’t want to pay for a service they have the option to buy the single game they want and move along.
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@1Victor It's a streaming service. Why the hell would games be listed separately if you need the streaming service in order to play them? Netflix doesn't have to list their original shows and movies separately on the App Store, so why should MS?
Very nice of Apple to create an impossible rule. Sure, let me go ahead and download Gears 5 from the app store.
@CyberSentinel Even though you're right. Apple isn't doing anything different than any other major tech company including Microsoft. When they don't like how something operates within their ecosystem, they alter the rules. And it's hard to fight that because their terms of service normally says things like "service subject to change" or something along those lines.
"Will all steaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Spotify and Pandora have the same rules apply to them" Yes... All those other services don't sell MTX and already are listed on the app store. "M$ pays for those game licenses and for the servers the gamers Stream off of, not you Apple." But Apple pays for the device Microsoft wants to stream on including the upkeep servers to apply patches the staff that write the software and updates to make sure users are secure and the app store itself and many other things. If Microsoft and Epic and don't want to follow the rules they are free to put them on their own phones. And these rules aren't any different from the rules regarding game sales on xbox live and probably the same as Epic Store.
And this is basically the right answer. It's Apple's hardware and Apple's platform. If these other corporations don't like Apple's rules, they are free to go somewhere else or make their own hardware and platform. It's that simple. Trillion dollar companies like Microsoft and Google and billion dollar companies like Epic are trying to tell Apple what their policies should be. And that's totally ridiculous. It's NOT THEIR PRODUCT. They can manipulate consumers and claim that Apple's products are general use which allows them to do whatever they want. But that, again, is ridiculous. Notice how Sony stayed out of it, created an app that allows you access to PlayStation games that are on your system. No streaming required. Only your game system is required. PS Now isn't on Apple's devices. Only Remote Play. I can understand the idea of just pressing start and playing a game immediately from the cloud. But these companies can't dictate terms and circumvent Apple's rules. If Apple were to circumvent their policies, we know they would be up in arms trying to sue Apple to fall back in line. Some gamers think they are entitled to have Stadia or Xcloud or whatever just because these mega corporations say they deserve all the profits on someone else's products. Here's the thing: THEY ARE NOT. If it was your product and your rules, and someone decided your rules stink and made their own rules on your product, common sense would be that you want a cut of the profits or tell them to go TF away. Influencers, manipulators, liers, shillers, etc can't change what is the truth: It's Apple's product and Apple's platform with Apple's policies. Simple as that.
@Hakuoro One of the points I was making, that you seem to overlook, according to Apple’s new TOS a streaming service would also have to make available each and every game separately on Apples platform...does that mean Netflix will make sure every movie they put on their service is also on Apple’s store and available for individual purchase...INCLUDING the original and exclusive content NETFLIX produces themselves? Unlikely, and therefore that is selective enforcement.
Apple will argue Netflix and the other services don't allow microtransactions. It's an ass argument but that's what they'll say. Maybe Microsoft could disable MTX for all games?
Well said. This is crazy how they want everything on a streaming service to be put into the App Store. Ridiculous.
No different than console games. Apple has a bunch of consoles out in the form of phones, tablets, and desktops.
Apple and Gaming don’t mix like oil and water.
Apple is sticking to their guns despite whatever happens with Epic.
Another way to look at this. And I don't know why something so simple is going over gamers heads unless they are willfully being ignorant. You have a house. You rent out a room to a guest. Tell them the rules of the house. One of the rules is *no side business in the house.* Guest pays rent. Then the guest starts a restaurant business out of that room. But believes all the money they made out of that room of the house is theirs to keep. What was the original rule of the house? Why didn't that renter just start their business somewhere else? What gave the renter the right to start that business in that room in the first place? This shouldn't even be an issue. Follow the rules laid out or create your own product and make up your own rules. Trying to use Netflix or Hulu as an example when they're not even the same as games, where movies and shows are not interactive like games or have micro transactions like games, add-on content like DLC or season passes, etc. It's a foolish argument to use that non interactive media are the same as games.
Haha nononp thats not how it goes. Look at it like this. Apple is a house owner. They rent it out to someone that makes a restaurant out of it. And apple encourages them to actually make a restaurant. They only want restaurants. Now EVERY meal that is served they have to pay 30% of that money to apple ON TOP of the rent they pay anyway. There you go
Apple owns a house, rule is no music after 22h. Tenant blasts music at 23h. Apple kicks him out.
End of story. Oh I thought this was about Epic. Apple wants micro transactions money. They can't control that through game stream services. Makes up rules and makes it difficult so that Microsoft gives up.
Their product. Their rules. How many gang or mob movies have we seen where one of the little guys tried to start their own business on the side and gets caught. Gang leader or mob boss always gets upset and asks the chump on why they thought it was okay to start a business on the side and not even give them a cut. Cement shoes and lead poisoning is always the result. But in the real world, you just cut them off or block their access. The same as what Apple is doing.
The EU came down super hard on Microsoft for making the IE browser default on all its OSes and Apple skates away with this mess?
It wasn't that it was default, it was that Microsoft did their best to hide that other browsers were available. Even after the finding, IE remained the default, Microsoft was just required to put up a site for EU users that listed alternatives.
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