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Facebook Joins Xbox In Criticising Apple's Gaming Policies

'This is shared pain across the games industry'

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stuna146d ago (Edited 46d ago )

We all know this about Microsoft trying to get on Apple's OS, especially since Microsoft and Facebook are teaming up! Too me this is fake outrage! My thing is what competing company wants another competitor on their platform??? It doesn't add up or make sense.

ElementX46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

Playstation, Xbox, and Apple all allow competing movie streaming services on their platforms, even though they all have their own movie rentals/purchases. Sony and MS allow EA Access on their platforms even though they have their own subscription services.

stuna146d ago (Edited 46d ago )

Sure they do! But they operate through contractual agreements. The issue is Microsoft is trying to operate outside of those contractual agreements.

ElementX45d ago

You said "what competing company wants another competitor on their platform" and I responded with a valid point. I'm not taking sides here

TheColbertinator45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Different branches of the company. Sony Music and Sony Pictures negotiate their own contracts and each company decides those deals separately as needed. Hence why Sony Music published a game on Switch despite Nintendo being a competitor with Sony PlayStation.

Sony Pictures/Columbia are operated apart and rarely join up with Sony PlayStation. As for Apple, they made their choice to reject Microsoft and will likely reject Sony or Amazon or anyone else who wants to introduce their streaming service as such.

1Victor44d ago

Isn’t Apple Arcade their game streaming service ? I just want to know because there’s f it is they’re right on denying Microsoft request

Christopher44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Hey, @ElementX, how about something more in line with XCloud on Xbox One?

https://techraptor.net/gami...

Why doesn't Microsoft allow their games on NVidia Streaming even though it doesn't break any licensing agreements and uses the owner's own licenses to stream games?

This is situational complaining about something they themselves do on their own platform.

ElementX44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

@Christopher
I forgot Nvidia streaming was a thing, honestly. I was aware of some publishers pulling their content, but I never read anything about MS. I haven't seen any articles about nvidia in months.

I think you are missing the point of my comment. I wasn't talking about MS and Apple with xcloud, I was replying to a comment about companies supporting competing services on their platforms. I don't even care about xcloud, I don't subscribe to game pass, let alone game pass ultimate. I'm not sticking up for any company in this conversation

Christopher44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

***I was replying to a comment about companies supporting competing services on their platform***

Then you should click the link in my comment above. It's Microsoft not supporting a competing service on their platform. That link was separate from the NVidia item.

I don't run a business, but if I did I'd probably lose money fast. But, these companies are where they are not by being altruistic all the time, only when it gets them points or can be good marketing. I see Microsoft doing the same thing here that they did with PlayStation on cross-play. Thing is, I don't see Apple backing down until they get their cut.

Teflon0242d ago

stuna1

Here's an example. YouTube Music/premium on Apple devices cost more because the agreement to getting it on apple devices is apple gets a cut. But tbh, for a streaming service etc. YouTube music is the best value as you can get YouTube Premium that has it, youtube downloading and add removal, you can get audio only versions of music on YouTube as well for the songs not on streaming services etc.
So because that agreement and Google not willing to give a cut because apple wants a cut of the subs, they gotta basically pay the subs out the subbers pockets.

Apple should have some adjustments to these rules. BUT I ain't having MS shiz. This tactic of MS where it's you do what benefits me or we bad mouth your company or work to make em look bad is disgusting. Like the Crossplay thing. Where they were making ads etc about it to make sony look bad and the moment they did it. They shut up about crossplay lol.

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DethWish45d ago

Apple says they want to review every single Xbox game on xCloud. Do you think they look at every Netflix movie or listen to every Spotify song? They're hypocrites.

neutralgamer199245d ago

Apple has an policy where each game has to be submitted separately and this applies to all games, game developers and game publishers. Why are you comparing their games policy to movies?

DethWish45d ago

Because xCloud is not a game. Its a streaming service like Netflix and Spotify. I don't get the big difference between games and movies anyway.

RauLeCreuset45d ago

"They're hypocrites."

They aren't the only hypocrites in this story.

--Onilink--45d ago

This isnt even about reviewing each game, its because of each game is submitted, they get to take a 30% cut on it

Stanjara45d ago

Probably because when you publish a new game you have to go through certain process and rating.

When you have XCloud...than Microsoft decides which game enters the service, and which goes out.

So Apple says no no no...
You have all those pretty jumping Grounded, Fable type games and then you decide GTA5 is in XCloud.
And then you take all of micro transactions?
And customisables?
NO.

BeOpenMinded45d ago

Agreed, feels like a corporate cop-out.

Havent used itunes in years, saw what kind of anti consumer antics they were upto. Apple tries too hard much like Ms did in earlier days to corner and bully their ecosystem.

In our current evolution of media this may be an outdated concept. But i guess why the hell why not. They and MS are vying for top dogs as most lucrative tech companies currently. Freaking trillion dollar companies.

As always my opinions and observation as an anecdotal disclaimer.

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rainslacker45d ago

MS and Facebook. Two companies that are often accused of not being all that consumer friendly, often use their influence and power to get what they want, and generally couldn't care less about helping other companies within their ecosystem, chastise Apple....a company that essentially does the same thing while acting like they're awesome. Only difference is Apple actually has more fans that defend them than either Facebook or MS do.

Petebloodyonion45d ago

well you can add also Google with Stadia and Epic Games to the list of PPL complaining
Here's Epic Games boss tweet on the subject
"Apple has outlawed the metaverse."

"The principle they state, taken literally, would rule out all cross-platform ecosystems and games with user created modes: not just xCloud, Stadia, and GeForce NOW, but also Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox,"
https://twitter.com/TimSwee...

rainslacker45d ago

OK. I'll add them to the list. It doesn't matter though, because while I don't agree with what Apple is doing, it is in their policies, and has been longer than MS decided to put their service up on there. It's not on Apple to adjust for MS, or anyone else, it's on these other companies to follow the rules for where they want to put their products. MS, or any of these other companies complaining, would do exactly the same thing.

Rhythmattic44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I suppose after MS literally bought Seattle Dos for a steal, Then of course implemented (stole) a computer defining user input.. Its no different to MS contractually demanding all home IBM based machines can only be sold with MS-DOS...

No other choice for vendors...So , Apple is no doubt tards, but its not like the people complaining have never done it before......

Afterall.. I wonder how many here are using MS OS?

rainslacker44d ago

Ironically, MS won out over apple back in the day because they felt having an open platform would go over better, while apple wanted to keep things closed. Apple has kept to that idea for their entire existence, and MS has dabbled in it on various things.

I generally always prefer open platforms, but when you want to release your product on someone else's platform you have to follow their rules.

Rhythmattic44d ago

Rain.. Open?
Yes the Os.. But consider the supply and OEM contract by MS did not allow "open" options...
The hardware must be sold with MS operating system... Use it or not... Install linux if you want, but early on, you could not buy a brand name PC without the cost incorporated into the system....
A classic is how MS handled OS Warp , A OS developed in partnership with IBM... They literally pulled an Nintendo on Sony...... Basically lead them on, using tech in their own os.... And in some way, paid by IBM....
Talk about shrewd....

To Reiterate, The OS is open (will it continue to be?) but the options of OS in Turnkey PC systems was not.

Not arguing, just pointing out the hypocrisy of all these big corps.......

Just like the US saying china is spying on them... How dare they... Im sure the NSA,CIA dont dare ever consider doing that on China.......

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LordoftheCritics45d ago

Apple just signed its own demise.

Petebloodyonion45d ago

Then why accept Netflix and Disney plus?
Last I check Apple also has a similar service Apple TV.

sinspirit44d ago

It's a game policy. For the act of playing games. Not something as simple as clicking play on a video you've selected.

What is there not to understand? Stteaming a game is different from streaming video. It's a different use of streaming. It's not like Netflix, Youtube, or HBO Max just because streaming is involved. That's like saying a truck is like a car because driving is involved.

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King_Noctis45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Competition? Lol what? One is a steaming platform and the other is a native game download service. Both have different set of games as well as different pricing and cater to a much, much different kind of audience.

NeoGamer23245d ago

All AppStores are monopolies and the current models should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.

The reason I call them monopolies is that many people cannot afford to re-buy all their apps in another appstore if they choose to change therefore the "switching costs" make this a monopoly. This rationale was established by the USA department of justice in their anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft in the late 1990's. And all appstores are the biggest offenders of it.

I think that there should be a central appstore for all technology platforms like playstation, xbox, apple, android, microsoft, etc. That appstore should just be a place to purchase digital only products such as games, subscriptions, movies, music, and apps. There should be an amount paid to the store to keep it running as a non-profit organization, and when I buy something at the store I should own it on every platform it is sold on. That way I only ever need to buy something once and I would have it no matter what device I own.

People have to quit supporting specific company practices and look at this objectively as to what benefits consumers. The current model has no benefit to consumers.

Old_Prodigy45d ago

Just like the crossplay outrage, boy do they know how to whine. Why are they always trying to penetrate other platforms?

frostypants45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

That's why we have antitrust laws/actions.

anubusgold44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

@stuna1 Linus tech tips covered this already apple is just a scam artist they force all payments to go through their system so they can get 30 percent of your profits before you do. Any link, email or anything that lets people pay for things outside their system apple will not approve your ap and demand you remove it. You cant even tell them where to go to pay for anything it must be removed.

Rhythmattic44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

... wrong reply domain...

SoonDeadByOldAge44d ago

Anubusgold: Thing is that for all other storefronts games are being sold but on xcloud nothing is being sold through the Apple app (I think) so how can Apple think that they should get 30% of what the game is currently selling for?
In my mind they can’t continue with that practice for streaming platforms where you only play games available on a subscription service and I think they will add the possibility to play games you already own as well.
I can not see Apple win a court case about that.

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rainslacker45d ago

Going to go post pictures of me crying on MySpace.

BeOpenMinded45d ago

'leave britney spears alone' while your at it.... internet gold. Make sure put covers over your face to solidy your dysregulation and sincerity.

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caddytrek45d ago

I'm not going to cry. Instead I am going to play my tiny violin.

lodossrage45d ago

Monopolies crying about another Monopoly.

If Windows phone succeeded, would they MS be whining about Apple's policies?.

rainslacker45d ago

Probably not, because Apple likely wouldn't care so long as they're making money. Apple isn't whining about Google's policies, and Google is much more successful in the mobile market.

But, MS gave up on the mobile market, so now they have to abide by other companies rules. That's what happens when you screw around and your only goal is to try to not have others dominate you.

King_Noctis45d ago

So what about Apple not allowing Stadia or Geforce Now on their platform?

CBaoth44d ago

Have you seen Apple's quarterly earnings? They couldn't care less. They make more in year off mobile than MS did all gen long in the console segment I love it. For Xcloud to succeed they need Apple's help. Oh the irony. Must be karma for barnacle billy stealing the OS Lisa all those years ago. Wonder if the fanboys will say MS should buy them next?

Profchaos45d ago

I get it they are upset Apple has a giant monopoly on mobile devices ms failed to capture that market do they have changed to a apps on every device approach.

What will be interesting is if Google block them on Android because of stadia

rainslacker45d ago

there are ways around Google though. it's not even something that is inconvenient for the layman like it is on Apple, which does require a bit of persistence amid the wealth of outdated and wrong information about various topics that talk about getting around Apple.

caddytrek45d ago

Actually they are blocked on Android, they had to use some ridiculous Samsung points BS to "bypass" googles app store.

Shaggy230445d ago

@Caddtrek

You're saying the Xcloud app is blocked on Android?

Weird because I just found it on the Android Play Store

caddytrek45d ago

I hope they all block Microsoft, maybe Microsoft should use it's own Windows Phone brand... oh wait lol.

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sinspirit44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

@cigi

Act like an adult. Even if someones being fanboyish. Don't get so angry and throw harsh insults.

Stevej336.

porkChop45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Google can't block them. xCloud is confirmed for release on Android. It's just Apple. Even if Google didn't allow it to be listed in the Play Store, you could just download the app from the website and install it.

caddytrek45d ago

This reminds me of the time when Microsoft tricked Nintendo into pressuring Sony into giving up it's users with cross play.

caddytrek45d ago

I'll go one farther, I think the reason Reggie no longer works for Nintendo is because of that, and how chummy he was getting with Microsoft, since he left you'll note that Nintendo has kept Microsoft at arms distance.

Shaggy230445d ago

Microsoft tricked Nintendo into pressuring Sony into giving up its users with cross play?

Are you on drugs?

Why would cross play cause Sony to give up its users?

Wrex36944d ago

Actually the Earth is flat too while we're at it 😂