Facebook Joins Xbox In Criticising Apple's Gaming Policies

'This is shared pain across the games industry'

[stuna1]

We all know this about Microsoft trying to get on Apple's OS, especially since Microsoft and Facebook are teaming up! Too me this is fake outrage! My thing is what competing company wants another competitor on their platform??? It doesn't add up or make sense.

[ElementX]

Playstation, Xbox, and Apple all allow competing movie streaming services on their platforms, even though they all have their own movie rentals/purchases. Sony and MS allow EA Access on their platforms even though they have their own subscription services.

[stuna1]

Sure they do! But they operate through contractual agreements. The issue is Microsoft is trying to operate outside of those contractual agreements.

[ElementX]

You said "what competing company wants another competitor on their platform" and I responded with a valid point. I'm not taking sides here

[TheColbertinator]

Different branches of the company. Sony Music and Sony Pictures negotiate their own contracts and each company decides those deals separately as needed. Hence why Sony Music published a game on Switch despite Nintendo being a competitor with Sony PlayStation.

Sony Pictures/Columbia are operated apart and rarely join up with Sony PlayStation. As for Apple, they made their choice to reject Microsoft and will likely reject Sony or Amazon or anyone else who wants to introduce their streaming service as such.

[1Victor]

Isn’t Apple Arcade their game streaming service ? I just want to know because there’s f it is they’re right on denying Microsoft request

[Christopher]

Hey, @ElementX, how about something more in line with XCloud on Xbox One?

https://techraptor.net/gami...

Why doesn't Microsoft allow their games on NVidia Streaming even though it doesn't break any licensing agreements and uses the owner's own licenses to stream games?

This is situational complaining about something they themselves do on their own platform.

[ElementX]

@Christopher
I forgot Nvidia streaming was a thing, honestly. I was aware of some publishers pulling their content, but I never read anything about MS. I haven't seen any articles about nvidia in months.

I think you are missing the point of my comment. I wasn't talking about MS and Apple with xcloud, I was replying to a comment about companies supporting competing services on their platforms. I don't even care about xcloud, I don't subscribe to game pass, let alone game pass ultimate. I'm not sticking up for any company in this conversation

[Christopher]

***I was replying to a comment about companies supporting competing services on their platform***

Then you should click the link in my comment above. It's Microsoft not supporting a competing service on their platform. That link was separate from the NVidia item.

I don't run a business, but if I did I'd probably lose money fast. But, these companies are where they are not by being altruistic all the time, only when it gets them points or can be good marketing. I see Microsoft doing the same thing here that they did with PlayStation on cross-play. Thing is, I don't see Apple backing down until they get their cut.

[Teflon02]

stuna1

Here's an example. YouTube Music/premium on Apple devices cost more because the agreement to getting it on apple devices is apple gets a cut. But tbh, for a streaming service etc. YouTube music is the best value as you can get YouTube Premium that has it, youtube downloading and add removal, you can get audio only versions of music on YouTube as well for the songs not on streaming services etc.
So because that agreement and Google not willing to give a cut because apple wants a cut of the subs, they gotta basically pay the subs out the subbers pockets.

Apple should have some adjustments to these rules. BUT I ain't having MS shiz. This tactic of MS where it's you do what benefits me or we bad mouth your company or work to make em look bad is disgusting. Like the Crossplay thing. Where they were making ads etc about it to make sony look bad and the moment they did it. They shut up about crossplay lol.

[DethWish]

Apple says they want to review every single Xbox game on xCloud. Do you think they look at every Netflix movie or listen to every Spotify song? They're hypocrites.

[neutralgamer1992]

Apple has an policy where each game has to be submitted separately and this applies to all games, game developers and game publishers. Why are you comparing their games policy to movies?

[DethWish]

Because xCloud is not a game. Its a streaming service like Netflix and Spotify. I don't get the big difference between games and movies anyway.

[RauLeCreuset]

"They're hypocrites."

They aren't the only hypocrites in this story.

[--Onilink--]

This isnt even about reviewing each game, its because of each game is submitted, they get to take a 30% cut on it

[Stanjara]

Probably because when you publish a new game you have to go through certain process and rating.

When you have XCloud...than Microsoft decides which game enters the service, and which goes out.

So Apple says no no no...
You have all those pretty jumping Grounded, Fable type games and then you decide GTA5 is in XCloud.
And then you take all of micro transactions?
And customisables?
NO.

[BeOpenMinded]

Agreed, feels like a corporate cop-out.

Havent used itunes in years, saw what kind of anti consumer antics they were upto. Apple tries too hard much like Ms did in earlier days to corner and bully their ecosystem.

In our current evolution of media this may be an outdated concept. But i guess why the hell why not. They and MS are vying for top dogs as most lucrative tech companies currently. Freaking trillion dollar companies.

As always my opinions and observation as an anecdotal disclaimer.

[rainslacker]

MS and Facebook. Two companies that are often accused of not being all that consumer friendly, often use their influence and power to get what they want, and generally couldn't care less about helping other companies within their ecosystem, chastise Apple....a company that essentially does the same thing while acting like they're awesome. Only difference is Apple actually has more fans that defend them than either Facebook or MS do.

[Petebloodyonion]

well you can add also Google with Stadia and Epic Games to the list of PPL complaining
Here's Epic Games boss tweet on the subject
"Apple has outlawed the metaverse."

"The principle they state, taken literally, would rule out all cross-platform ecosystems and games with user created modes: not just xCloud, Stadia, and GeForce NOW, but also Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox,"
https://twitter.com/TimSwee...

[rainslacker]

OK. I'll add them to the list. It doesn't matter though, because while I don't agree with what Apple is doing, it is in their policies, and has been longer than MS decided to put their service up on there. It's not on Apple to adjust for MS, or anyone else, it's on these other companies to follow the rules for where they want to put their products. MS, or any of these other companies complaining, would do exactly the same thing.

[Rhythmattic]

I suppose after MS literally bought Seattle Dos for a steal, Then of course implemented (stole) a computer defining user input.. Its no different to MS contractually demanding all home IBM based machines can only be sold with MS-DOS...

No other choice for vendors...So , Apple is no doubt tards, but its not like the people complaining have never done it before......

Afterall.. I wonder how many here are using MS OS?

[rainslacker]

Ironically, MS won out over apple back in the day because they felt having an open platform would go over better, while apple wanted to keep things closed. Apple has kept to that idea for their entire existence, and MS has dabbled in it on various things.

I generally always prefer open platforms, but when you want to release your product on someone else's platform you have to follow their rules.

[Rhythmattic]

Rain.. Open?
Yes the Os.. But consider the supply and OEM contract by MS did not allow "open" options...
The hardware must be sold with MS operating system... Use it or not... Install linux if you want, but early on, you could not buy a brand name PC without the cost incorporated into the system....
A classic is how MS handled OS Warp , A OS developed in partnership with IBM... They literally pulled an Nintendo on Sony...... Basically lead them on, using tech in their own os.... And in some way, paid by IBM....
Talk about shrewd....

To Reiterate, The OS is open (will it continue to be?) but the options of OS in Turnkey PC systems was not.

Not arguing, just pointing out the hypocrisy of all these big corps.......

Just like the US saying china is spying on them... How dare they... Im sure the NSA,CIA dont dare ever consider doing that on China.......

[LordoftheCritics]

Apple just signed its own demise.

[Petebloodyonion]

Then why accept Netflix and Disney plus?
Last I check Apple also has a similar service Apple TV.

[sinspirit]

It's a game policy. For the act of playing games. Not something as simple as clicking play on a video you've selected.

What is there not to understand? Stteaming a game is different from streaming video. It's a different use of streaming. It's not like Netflix, Youtube, or HBO Max just because streaming is involved. That's like saying a truck is like a car because driving is involved.

[King_Noctis]

Competition? Lol what? One is a steaming platform and the other is a native game download service. Both have different set of games as well as different pricing and cater to a much, much different kind of audience.

[NeoGamer232]

All AppStores are monopolies and the current models should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.

The reason I call them monopolies is that many people cannot afford to re-buy all their apps in another appstore if they choose to change therefore the "switching costs" make this a monopoly. This rationale was established by the USA department of justice in their anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft in the late 1990's. And all appstores are the biggest offenders of it.

I think that there should be a central appstore for all technology platforms like playstation, xbox, apple, android, microsoft, etc. That appstore should just be a place to purchase digital only products such as games, subscriptions, movies, music, and apps. There should be an amount paid to the store to keep it running as a non-profit organization, and when I buy something at the store I should own it on every platform it is sold on. That way I only ever need to buy something once and I would have it no matter what device I own.

People have to quit supporting specific company practices and look at this objectively as to what benefits consumers. The current model has no benefit to consumers.

[Old_Prodigy]

Just like the crossplay outrage, boy do they know how to whine. Why are they always trying to penetrate other platforms?

[frostypants]

That's why we have antitrust laws/actions.

[anubusgold]

@stuna1 Linus tech tips covered this already apple is just a scam artist they force all payments to go through their system so they can get 30 percent of your profits before you do. Any link, email or anything that lets people pay for things outside their system apple will not approve your ap and demand you remove it. You cant even tell them where to go to pay for anything it must be removed.

[Rhythmattic]

... wrong reply domain...

[SoonDeadByOldAge]

Anubusgold: Thing is that for all other storefronts games are being sold but on xcloud nothing is being sold through the Apple app (I think) so how can Apple think that they should get 30% of what the game is currently selling for?
In my mind they can’t continue with that practice for streaming platforms where you only play games available on a subscription service and I think they will add the possibility to play games you already own as well.
I can not see Apple win a court case about that.

[TheColbertinator]

Let us cry together

[rainslacker]

Going to go post pictures of me crying on MySpace.

[BeOpenMinded]

'leave britney spears alone' while your at it.... internet gold. Make sure put covers over your face to solidy your dysregulation and sincerity.

[caddytrek]

I'm not going to cry. Instead I am going to play my tiny violin.

[lodossrage]

Monopolies crying about another Monopoly.

If Windows phone succeeded, would they MS be whining about Apple's policies?.

[rainslacker]

Probably not, because Apple likely wouldn't care so long as they're making money. Apple isn't whining about Google's policies, and Google is much more successful in the mobile market.

But, MS gave up on the mobile market, so now they have to abide by other companies rules. That's what happens when you screw around and your only goal is to try to not have others dominate you.

[King_Noctis]

So what about Apple not allowing Stadia or Geforce Now on their platform?

[CBaoth]

Have you seen Apple's quarterly earnings? They couldn't care less. They make more in year off mobile than MS did all gen long in the console segment I love it. For Xcloud to succeed they need Apple's help. Oh the irony. Must be karma for barnacle billy stealing the OS Lisa all those years ago. Wonder if the fanboys will say MS should buy them next?

[Profchaos]

I get it they are upset Apple has a giant monopoly on mobile devices ms failed to capture that market do they have changed to a apps on every device approach.

What will be interesting is if Google block them on Android because of stadia

[rainslacker]

there are ways around Google though. it's not even something that is inconvenient for the layman like it is on Apple, which does require a bit of persistence amid the wealth of outdated and wrong information about various topics that talk about getting around Apple.

[caddytrek]

Actually they are blocked on Android, they had to use some ridiculous Samsung points BS to "bypass" googles app store.

[caddytrek]

I hope they all block Microsoft, maybe Microsoft should use it's own Windows Phone brand... oh wait lol.

[King_Noctis]

Smh.

[sinspirit]

@cigi

Act like an adult. Even if someones being fanboyish. Don't get so angry and throw harsh insults.

Stevej336.

[porkChop]

Google can't block them. xCloud is confirmed for release on Android. It's just Apple. Even if Google didn't allow it to be listed in the Play Store, you could just download the app from the website and install it.

[caddytrek]

This reminds me of the time when Microsoft tricked Nintendo into pressuring Sony into giving up it's users with cross play.

[King_Noctis]

Umm what? Trick? Smh.

[caddytrek]

I'll go one farther, I think the reason Reggie no longer works for Nintendo is because of that, and how chummy he was getting with Microsoft, since he left you'll note that Nintendo has kept Microsoft at arms distance.

[Wrex369]

Actually the Earth is flat too while we're at it 😂

[Sunny_D]

That’s rich coming from a company that is okay with allowing fake news and propaganda to spread all over it’s social media website. Facebook should be cleaning up their own BS before going after another company.

[Petebloodyonion]

It's interesting to note that Tim Sweeney also cried foul at Apple. basically he mentioned that according to the TOS
cross play shouldn't be possible on IOS
""Apple has outlawed the metaverse."

"The principle they state, taken literally, would rule out all cross-platform ecosystems and games with user created modes: not just xCloud, Stadia, and GeForce NOW, but also Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox,"

[lodossrage]

yeah but Sweeney was also the one to cry about Windows 10 putting out firmware that would render steam dead in favor of the Windows Store. So I don't take him seriously since if it's a competitor to his masters at Epic, he'll find something to complain about

[Stanjara]

That's like XCloud wants to be on PlayStation, but Sony says NO.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Monopolies are crying monopolies how about y'all first of all open up all your services and don't be hypocrites lmao.

[King_Noctis]

"how about y'all first of all open up all your services and don't be hypocrites lmao."

Isn't this what they are trying to do? Open up their service to iOS? What is the problem again?

[badz149]

Getting money? They know Apple has a huge fanbase and these Apple users are among the biggest spending mobile crowd EVER. So MS want to entice them with their service in the hope that they will spend on them too while trying to bypass Apple on their own home.

[King_Noctis]

I truly love Apple Arcade. I am having so much fun with it. But this is an absurd and outright stupid policy from Apple. I'm lucky to have both an Apple and a Samsung though.

[akaFullMetal]

This is just stupid all around. There isn't a justifiable reason to not have it when Google allows it and has competition with Microsoft.

[Imortus_san]

Aplle users get the short end of the stick, period

[Knightofelemia]

If Apple says no then Apple says no trying to convince Apple is a very hard process you're better off pulling teeth. Had an Iphone personally once I went Android I just never went back. Also why would Apple want a competing game service on their platform when they all ready have one. Now if Microsoft warmed up with a boat load of cash Apple might look the other way and allow it.

[LoveSpuds]

Microsoft are the absolute last company to be moaning about monopolies, they have been in the shit with more antitrust legal wranglings than any of these other companies.

They are all as bad as each other, but MS crying foul is frankly absurd and pathetically desperate. They know they ain't making their services profitable anytime soon if they cant get their hooks into every market place.

[CertifiedGamer]

I don’t use my phone to game so this does not affect me.

[CertifiedGamer]

Guess what Xcloud ain’t going to stop me from buying the next iPhone because xCloud can have android but android does not update their phones like Apple does. That is what matters to me.

[GoodGuy09]

Join the dark side. Android. Actually Its kinda funny google alowed xcloud since they have stadia lol.

[CertifiedGamer]

This service should be offered, Apple should let Microsoft offer xCloud on iOS eventually. I think it will happen once Microsoft is done with the beta, but Microsoft forced the company enhance to remove Remote Play from Tetris Effect so Microsoft is being hypocritical.

[nowitzki2004]

I thought it did not matter to you. Make up your mind.

[CertifiedGamer]

I don’t care about this because I know Apple will eventually cave in to permitting xCloud. I also said it does not affect my decision on buying an iPhone.

[SpaceRanger]

Why are they relying on the Apple ecosystem? It didn’t matter up until now. They should just use their Windows Phone platform.

[YourMommySpoils]

People still play games on facebook? lol

[TechnoGoat]

WHO CARES!? apple don't want it... move on.

[sero33]

i dont get this problem. its apples ecosystem. i cant fault them for wanting to get as much money as they can when some other company wants to dip into their user base. also didnt microsoft remove their games from geforce now?

it all boils down to the whole "vote with your wallet". you want xcloud? get an android device.