Obsidian Is Becoming Bethesda Since Bethesda Stopped Being Bethesda

EM: With the announcement of Avowed and after the success of The Outer Worlds, Obsidian Entertainment is a better Bethesda than Bethesda.

[RaidenBlack]

They long surpassed Bethesda with New Vegas.
Now Avowed will romple stomp Starfield.

[King_Noctis]

With the news that the next Elder Scroll still use Bestheda’s outdated Creation engine, I think Avowed will have a really good chance of becoming the new Elder Scroll for fans.

[RaidenBlack]

If Elder Scrolls and Creation Engine is to be defended here ... then I can add, from what i've read thus far, the devs are overhauling the ageing engine to much degree by including much photogrammetry assets, just like Infinity Ward did with their old engine.
But the boatload of bugs Bethesda will introduce in the process is upto anyone's imagination.

[Darkborn]

@Raidenblack I feel like Bethesda doesn't want to change the engine because they are used to fixing the same bugs at this point. Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 had some of the exact same bugs at launch. It's easier for them to crunch them it seems like even though it takes them years to do. I hate their engine and even when skyrim initially launched, like 15 launches ago, it still seemed kinda dated to me.

[neutralgamer1992]

King

You and few others have been working extra hard defending Ms last few days

On topic

We will have to wait and see. Bethesda failed with 76 but they have a new IP and than 2 sequels afterwards (ES and Fallout)

Maybe I am in the minority but I liked fallout 3 more than new Vegas but I wasn't a big fan of fallout 4. I felt like it was less of an RPG

Games obsidian showed are years away from release so we will see

[Kados]

@RaidenBlack:

Visuals have never really been the issue with it. It is the underlying bugs and lack of features that is at issue, and none of that can be fixed. Notice there has never been ladder climbing animations in an Elder Scrolls game? The engine physically cannot do it. Creation has already been "overhauled" twice since Morrowind came out in 2002. It was called NetImmerse back then, it was rebadged to Gamebryo for Oblivion, and now they call it Creation. All are the same engine, all have the same underlying issues.

Their official excuse for why they have not changed it is that the PC modding community is too used to it and would have a hard time adapting to a new engine. As a modder on PC myself, it is BS.

[King_Noctis]

“ You and few others have been working extra hard defending Ms last few days ”

How is it any different from people like you going into every MS’s article and downplay them?

[averagejoe26]

Unfortunately, most of the employees who made New Vegas no longer work at Obsidian. They're barely the same company. You can really tell when you play Outer Worlds. It didn't hold a candle to the writing in New Vegas.

[Deathdeliverer]

Wayyyy too early to say some half baked shit like this.

[King_Noctis]

When was the last good game Bethesda has developed?

[LOGICWINS]

Doom Eternal?

[King_Noctis]

@Logic

Doom Eternal was developed by id Software, not in-house by Bethesda.

[pwnmaster3000]

Lol when did I ever say Bethesda was trash and the “bad guy”.... don’t worry I’ll wait.

[Deathdeliverer]

I loved Skyrim. Liked oblivion. Loved Morrowwind. Liked Fallout 4. Dishonored I liked, Deathloop looks very fun, and Wolfenstein was actually good. Obsidian made outer worlds and gave a 20 sec trailer that showed a concept, not anything actual, and it’s better than Bethesda? Seriously? New Vegas was the last game they made that I liked similarly to fallout 4. I think people are just too eager to like something. You need something to justify things so you’re elevating that game wayyy to high. I’m interested in avowed, but seeing nothing and saying it’s better than the work of a company like Bethesda off of a ONE recent game and a concept? Seriously people?

[DOMination-]

Strange question... Well technically Fallout 76 wasn't in house either. The last great game they made was the last one.. Fallout 4.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Bet if it was on another console youll be bowing and praising.

[pwnmaster3000]

I mean let’s be honest here, the same can be said with you if it was the others way around.

Lol but reading your comments you like to play the “Xbox fanboys are a victim role and Sony Fans are the worse”.

[medman]

@angelicicediamond
You're off the mark for one simple reason...Sony showed games at their event that for the most part are due in the launch year window of the ps5. Microsoft showed no gameplay, just trailers, for first party titles that are ALL still very early in development.

When will Avowed be released? 2023? 2024? 2025? Forza? Still so early in development all they had was in engine footage. Everwild? Rare is on record stating they don't even know what the game is yet....they still haven't decided on gameplay mechanics. State of Decay? It's in pre-production. Fable? Perhaps as far away from release as Avowed.

It's not about "bowing and praising"....there is some harsh reality that so many of these games (which could be very good, but without gameplay who the hell knows) are so so far from the light of day. Without seeing gameplay, it is super early to be touting any of these games to be the next so and so. They've showed nothing but concept. And we've all seen games, particularly from Microsoft, where concept doesn't equal gameplay, and worse yet, many titles canceled, some of which we HAVE seen gameplay for. Do you remember people being so excited for Scalebound? I remember clearly arguments back and forth in these same forums with xbox only gamers boasting about how much better Scalebound would be than Horizon Zero Dawn. Yikes. Let's stop putting the cart before the horse. These companies need to prove, before we praise.

[pwnmaster3000]

I agree, I can’t wait for Bethesda’s next game so they can shut all the haters up..
Been a fan since playing Morrowind on the original Xbox. Good times.

I like Obsidian and I think their next games will be good but let’s get real

[TheOptimist]

Skyrim, Fallout 4 and especially Fallout 76 were crap though.

[King_Noctis]

So suddenly Bestheda is a good guy now, even after the Fallout 76 and Elder Scroll Blade bs that they have pulled.

As long as you’re against MS, even a turd can be turned into gold it seems.

[Imalwaysright]

Real about what? Obsidian surpassed them even at what they do best as New Vegas is better than Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

[Atom666]

Is it? I'd say we've known that once Fallout 4 and 76 failed to outdo New Vegas.

Even with a fraction of the budget, Outer Worlds was better than 4 imo.

Hell, I'd say Stick of Truth was better than what we got from Bethesda this gen. Unless we see ID Software in the credits and it'sjust published by Bethesda, how can we really defend much of their overall output this gen?

[averagejoe26]

Outer Worlds was so boring and generic. The people who wrote New Vegas don't even work at Obsidian anymore. It's obvious. The Outer Worlds did not do well with fans or critics.

[Atom666]

Seems to have done pretty well according to reviews (both critic and user).

[DerfDerf]

@Deathdeliverer

Dishonored, Deathloop and Wolfenstein aren't developed by Bethesda.

[King_Noctis]

I think he got confused between “develop” and “publish”.

[WelkinCole]

Was there any gameplay footage of Avowed that I didn't see?

[Deathdeliverer]

Zero, but people are absolutely blown away. By a concept. I’m actuality it’s could look and play like a broken bus, butttttt it’s incredible based on future vision.

[RazzerRedux]

I certainly hope so. I want more games like Elder Scrolls as there are just not enough true fantasy RPGs. Bethesda should have had another Elder Scrolls by now but with the way Fallout 76 turned out, it may be a good thing they haven't. If Obsidian can take MS funding and fill that void then I'm all for it.

[phoenixwing]

yeah if they can make something at the same level of the outer worlds or better in an elder scrolls like package i'll buy it

[jambola]

That's a bit mean don't you think?
I'm pretty sure obsidian aren't starting to release outdated buggy crap, right?

[Vanfernal]

Saying Obsidian is becoming Bethesda is not a compliment. Bethesda has always made games with lots of content that somehow always got a free pass even though they were buggy messes. When Bethesda released a game with no content (Fallout 76) and people could see the bare bones job Bethesda does, they wised up to their lack of quality and started seeing them for what they are.

[RamRod88]

They're referring to when Bethesda actually made good games people wanted. Not current Bethesda. Obsidian is now seems to be the ones filling in the role of old Bethesda.

[starchild]

I loved Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic and the Mass Effect trilogy. They used to be great.

[Vanfernal]

That's Bioware dude. Bethesda is Elder Scrolls/Fallout etc lol.

[Cmv38]

I didn't like outer worlds, but if your claim to fame is being like another company.... you lack identity and innovation. Gamers, we have to want more than clone companies. The mobile market is full of clones, obsidian, keep taking risk.

[djplonker]

I liked outerworlds well enough but only cause I played it on pc game pass for next to nothing.

Its smaller than fallout 4 or skyrim with less things to do and while its was less buggy than bethesda games it still ran like crap and chugged hard on my pc that is more than capable of handling it.

[Ristul]

Obsidian makes better stories and worlds imo, New Vegas is proof of that. They also have a great sense of humor in many of their games.

[GOULDYBOBS]

makes? New Vegas is TEN years old. Outer worlds was bland, forgettable and uninstallable. Bit like me

[Ristul]

What did you think of Pillars of Eternity, I loved it personably.

[GOULDYBOBS]

@Ristul I have never played it so cannot pass judgement on that

[Rachel_Alucard]

The last game I truly enjoyed by Bethesda Maryland's studio was Oblivion. Fallout 3 was just watered down compared to that and the games that followed like Skyrim and Fallout 4 were not even worth a puddle in depth compared to Oblivion.

The biggest difference between Oblivion and Skyrim was how the devs treated the player. In Oblivion, just to join the mages guild, you had to go to every mages guild in every hold and do a special quest to get a signed note. After getting in the guild you had many quests after that working your way up the ranks and it's own plotline.

In Skyrim, you become archmage in 5 fetch quests without even casting a single spell. It's like a sick joke.

[phoenixwing]

I think the big reason oblivion doesn't get as much respect is it wasn't really all that playable on ps3 and wasn't on a nintendo system. so what happens is a lot of people didn't play it as much as people have played skyrim due to it being on everything in a somewhat playable state.

[Rachel_Alucard]

That's true. I hope for a remake that doesn't remove anything in the future.

[phoenixwing]

i don't think they will remake it because it will show (/remind people) that they haven't been putting enough effort in their latest games

[Father__Merrin]

Avowed looked pretty good to me I don't think they will beat Bethesda though but it's good to have another good wrpg

Skyrim was excellent can't imagine a next gen elder scrolls 6

[Antifan]

I don't trust MS with any IP that ain't Halo, Forza, Gears

[King_Noctis]

So Ori, Cuphead, Sunset Overdrive, and Quantum Break don’t count?

[djplonker]

Ori the game thats on switch?

Cuphead the game that is on steam and switch?

Sunset overdrive that was made by now sony first party studio insomniac?

Quantum break the devs who recently released control on ps4/xbox/pc?

No...... they dont count.

[GOULDYBOBS]

All four of those games are shite in my opinion

[King_Noctis]

“ Ori the game thats on switch?

Cuphead the game that is on steam and switch?

Sunset overdrive that was made by now sony first party studio insomniac?

Quantum break the devs who recently released control on ps4/xbox/pc?“

How does that change the fact that those IPs are MS’s IPs?

[battlegrog]

Its shocking how good this studio is becoming with proper resorces. I think this game will be big. Any rumor to when it will release

[Mister_Wolf]

Don’t want to run that comparison. What I don’t want though is Obsidian to finally reach their potential. I would love to see that as they always struck me as a studio who did a lot with very little. I always found they were slightly restrained.

However, now with MS’s finances and resources, I want to see how Obsidian will be like when they don’t have to worry about budget.

[FirstSonOfKrypton]

Best Buy Xbox has made

[phoenixwing]

i think so too. definitely gave me something to look forward to. Playing outer worlds and pillars of eternity and both are great games.

[knickstr]

I don't understand the hype for their new game. The CGI trailer told us almost nothing about what the game will be. It was quite literally an arrow shot into a skeleton and that was the trailer.

[MadLad]

Bethesda has been on a decline since after Morrowind.

Obsidian has always been more creative and passionate. They just normally had a much, much smaller budget.
They were never paid to sit on their a** for the better part of a decade, as their 300 employees pushed a project.

Let's be real; New Vegas is better than anything Bethesda put out in almost two decades.

[Antnee534]

The only problem with it becoming the next Bethesda's is the games they will release going forward will most likely be Microsoft exclusive. I might get both consoles but I rather play on playstation, either way though they have always been a good studio and now with the proper budget can go to higher places.

[BongSmack]

All empires fall.

[averagejoe26]

Imagine thinking this from a short CGI trailer that showed us nothing.

Xbots really in full defense mode.

[MadLad]

Obsidian has a fairly strong backlog, multiple awards, and consists of some fairly highly regarded names.

Not to the defend the *ahem* "Xbots".

[King_Noctis]

Obsidian has the pedigree to back up what they do. Their past games like Pillar of Eternity and The Outer Worlds were all great.

Aso, Bethesda showed an even shorter trailer of the next Elder Scroll (heck, it was just the logo) but people were still very excited. This got nothing to do with “xbotz”.

[Christopher]

You spelled BioWare wrong.

[dmonee]

Bethesda is becoming overrated in my opinion

[Silly gameAr]

They've always been overrated.

[neomahi]

The only real problem with this is Microsoft, and I'm only being real hear (sorry, I mean EDIT here, Google Pixel wants to autocorrect everything and the keyboard, even for chopstick fingers isn't very good). When you cut out all the bullshit and let the fanboyism go, as it stands right now, consumers arent happy with Microsoft and they haven't been since the Xbox One was announced. As it stands, you're average gamer isn't going to buy an Xbox Series X. They can't buy an Xbox One X because I don't think Microsoft even manufactures them as of this point, but they're smarter than that. You have the absolute Xbox fanbase that cheers the loudest at an Xbox event because they want to feel important and they want the brand they back to seem important, but consumers are smarter than that. A recent poll asked which console consumers would be more likely to buy at this point, a very small percentage, something like 9.something percent said a Switch or some other system, they weren't interested in either console. 37 and some change said they'd buy an Xbox Series X, the rest voted for PS5. You're going to have gamers like me that want to enjoy all experiences as their budget allows and are tech enthusiasts that will buy both consoles but are going to start with the PS5 first and see how the XSX does at first and then join the ride along sometime later down the road. This is what Obsidian has gotten themselves into.

Normally, I'm actually a very big fan of exclusives because it allows developers to focus on a single platform and it's strengths to create the best experience possible without compromise because they had to keep the other hardware in mind, which is going to burn devs out trying to develop their games to run on: Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X, and PC (Games for Windows and Steam alike). That sucks and on top of it, Obsideon are developing a really involved experience for such a tiny audience, Obsideon should've seen this coming, if they've done their research they'll see the most powerful console, in the history of gaming has never won the Wars. If Microsoft were certain to outsell or match PS5 sales, I'd say sure, it was a great move on Obsideons part but, Fallout Vegas was appreciated by A HUGE fanbase.

Where Microsoft has some good services going, let's be real, they suck in the gaming business, they lack realism, genuine interest, and being in touch with gamers, everyone hates to hear this, I know, but they've got to accept the innevidible and let their egos go, they've gotta throw in the towel and let Nintendo and Sony manufacture hardware and offer their services instead as well as SOME talented studios. Rare died a long time ago, they're a spent force. If competition is good for the industry and keeping Sony on their toes, then they're making it far too easy for Sony. Sony has way more experienced Studios and staff, they're more invested, and honestly, Sony Executives actually seem like gamers, they pull it off. Microsoft, their executives behave exactly like suits, and Aaron Greenberg? Phil Spencer keeps saying he's listening, but he's not hearing, Aaron Greenberg, their marketing executive I've taken to calling the Executive Fanboy is a bleeding cancer for Microsoft. He behaves like an Xbox fanboy, and has the maturity of Donald Trump on Twitter, I'd tuck him away in a closet as nobody wants to lose their job, but put him in a closet where he can't talk or be heard but still get a paycheck, but don't let him talk, all he does is stir things up, spew shit from his mouth when it opens, and make Microsoft look bad and seem unable to actually realistically run a business, he's a canquer on Microsoft's ass.

[Imortus_san]

Bethesda games have always been a bug fest and have always got the pass card, now that Obsidian is with MS all small bug will be seen as incredibly bugs that will down play the game score.

[McToasty2077]

I’ve been a Bethesda fan since Morrowind and I’m very much eagerly waiting to see what they have next, BUT yes Obsidian is a god tier RPG maker, New Vegas, KOTOR 2, Stick of Truth and Tyranny rank among my favourite RPG of all time