Xbox Is Pushing Me Towards The PlayStation 5

Rocket Chainsaw: After yesterday's Xbox Games Showcase and the myriad CGI trailers, it's beginning to feel like the PlayStation 5 is the true next generation console at launch.

[Jin_Sakai]

It’s no wonder Sony doubled the PS5 production this year. It’s almost as if they knew this would happen.

[Vervain]

I think the increase in production is largely due to soaring console sales in general in the middle of this pandemic, but they definitely seem to be confident in their console/lineup.

[Darkborn]

I kind a think they purposely let out that they were going to make less consoles due to covid and a higher manufacturing cost, but after the internet exploded over people freaking out at not getting one, they had to double production and publicly state that they will not ghost drop the pre-orders. I think it was planned that if there was no public outcry, it would be better for them due to less loss at sale and if they needed to they could produce more to appease the masses. Either way, they win.

[Godmars290]

Still going to wait because, launch consoles.

[indysurfn]

It's like Sony had a Spy at Microsoft that said they dont have any games within 2 years of releasing (maybe a food server to the big wigs). And Sony said, seal it up. Lets launch within a year. And Microsoft panicked and went studio shopping. And machine component shopping. Too little too late.

[Father__Merrin]

Sony doubled the production because they predict extra demand I think because of price. Its going to launch cheaper than xbox series X I think its worked out cheaper to go with cutting edge ssd tech over going overboard with gpu specs

[Chris12]

Total BS. You have no idea on price and having a fast SSD does not make up for the lack of power. Lets wait for the DF comparisons and then you can find another excuse.

[kreate]

I just can't get myself to think that Sony will launch the PS5 cheaper than the Xbox, or the series X specifically.

If PS5 is $400-500, than that's a win right there. If it's $500-600, than that's a rough start.

[kayoss]

@Chris
Yes the PS5 may not be as powerful as the series X, but do need to be more powerful. With Sony's track record, even with a weaker console, they have developed some of the most stunning games. Xbox so far have not shown us anything that can compare to most of Sony AAA exclusives for the the xbox one X and now the series X.

[rainslacker]

The SSD tech is likely to be harder to get than the APU tech. Memory prices also went up, and there demand for various memory techs is increasing. The actual chips inside the SSD are used for more than just the SSD, or at least the materials for them are, although that would effect sourcing later down the line, as Sony would have it's current manufacturing costs and wholesale parts costs locked in for at least 6 months, if not a year.

Any company would be good to have as many available as possible. Shortages look good for building demand, but not having the product means you limit your revenue to whatever it is you can make.

[Father__Merrin]

@chris you only need to look at the meltdowns on twitter with the graphics on that poor old grunt

[Gameplayer1]

@chris12....you high?

[lazyboyblue]

@Chris12 No need to wait, I can make an accurate prediction.
Xbox SX will be slightly better on 3rd party games but will have little else going for it.

[Bathyj]

Chris Sony does not have a lack of power. It's plenty powerful. Just because Xbox guys have this TFlop number in their heads they think it's some unconquerable beast.

Xbox got that number by simply adding extra cores that they may or may not be able to keep busy all the time, some of them may lie idle and not the fully utilised which means the slight teraflop difference is moot.

But the graphics cores on Xbox are all slower. Theres just more of them. If you want to win a race do you drive the car that goes 220 or 2 cars that go 180? When the graphics cores are slower the cache is slower, rasterization is slower, the command buffer is slower. Do I know what all of that means? No. But Mark Cerny does because he said it and I believe him. He seems to know his way around a graphics chip.

Someone said it best after the initial reveals, Microsoft went wide Sony went fast.

[Seraphim]

there's likely several factors but I'm sure they do expect demand to be up. Demand, games sales, etc have only grown from the PS2/XB era to PS3/60 and PS4/One. It makes no sense not to meet the demand when a product drops. And if they are able or willing to eat the losses to drop at $400 there's no doubt these are going to flip like hot cakes. I expect $500 though. Personally I see demand being high. As it stands a few friends of mine who would normally wait 1-2 years before upgrading to a new console all plan to pick one up at launch or as close to it depending on supply. Coupled with the history of increased demand. That alone is reason enough to up production but there's surely there's a multitude of reasons.

[snoopgg]

Man chris is a salty chip !!!!

[nytebyrd]

I just dropped $400 on a nvme ssd. Granted, its a 2tb and the controller dictates speed more than just about anything where as capacity and type of modules dictates price. Lets not pretend a highend ssd is all that much cheaper than a mid range gpu though.

Its also worth noting a 16 teraflop rtx titan is outperformed in gaming by lesser cards. And ray tracing tech has a greatly outsize effect for data computation, but really doesn't do anything for actual graphic performance. It just calculates how light and reflections should respond and the rest of the gpu still has to render it.

Which is just to say that those tf scores are even more arbitrary than initially perceived. Simply, we don't know how much of these gpu are dedicated to ray tracing. We know the rtx 2000 cards are heavily bogged down by it and AMD's gpus will only be adding it in late this year. Will their first cards designed for ray tracing be on par w/ Nvidia's 3000 series? Or some where between the 2000 and 3000 series cards?

Does Sony's design have independent processors for the calculations? Is MS simply trying to brute force the calculations?

[DeadlyFire]

Sony has not even shown all their cards yet though.

[Father__Merrin]

Yes August 6th will be a hammer blow

[RaidenBlack]

The situation kinda reminiscent of E3 2013's Don Mattrick comment: No Internet? Get an Xbox 360!
SGF 2020: Want better games? Get a PS5!

[gamer7804]

neither of them have, this is only part of the conferences... people need to pay attention. I never realized how important e3 was until now from a messaging standpoint, people can't follow along.

[Sitdown]

You have over a 100 likes, because people really believe Sony potentially increased production because they saw Microsoft faltering. Over 100 million PS4s, and people think an increase in production has something to do with Microsoft. Wow!

[Atticus_finch]

It's a joke bro.

[Sitdown]

Ha, you must be new to N4G, to some that is the Gospel truth.

[L7CHAPEL]

so did Microsoft.

[BLUEKNIFE]

and now they have to do it again after MS show

[RangerWalk267]

The problem I've had with the PS over the years, is the lack of good first party games that offer more than just an interactive movie. I don't rewatch movies very often, unless they're bangers. Even then... They are only a 2hr experience. I have not played ANY single player game more than once. On any platform. Xbx , PS, or PC. So the Exclusives are not the selling point to me. I have and will always purchase both consoles... But 90% of the games I purchase this coming Generation will be on the more capable machine. And so far, that's the XSX. Things might change... But I doubt it. The power delta is just too much in favor of the series x

[SpadeX]

"good first party games that offer more than just an interactive movie"

I don't know where you got that from, but these aren't the only games Sony offers. I've read similar bullshit from Techradar a while ago, it was cringe stating that Sony's exclusives lack variety compared to Microsoft's offerings when if you dig deeper you'll find hidden gems that are "more than just an interactive movie".

Littlebigplanet, Dreams, Patapon series, MediEvil, Gran Turismo, Spiderman, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon, infamous.

PS3 classics like Resistance, Warhawk and Starhawk.

PS2 classics like Jak and Sly.

Come on now.

Now some of those games are indeed story driven, but having a narrative in a game doesn't automatically turn it into an interactive movie.

[Rhythmattic]

"I purchase this coming Generation will be on the more capable machine"
Yep , me too... Capable of playing Multiplatforms, which will always have to adhere too a lowest common denominator, and one that also plays exclusives....... 
Do you not see the fact that one console is all you need ?
If Pixels make a game, Asteroids and Battle zone would not have happened...

You see, Those games where cutting edge... An advantage when gameplay/ideas aren't tied to thew one single idea...

Count the games a PS and PC can play.... And you just keep counting Pixels.
Good on ya.

[Zeref]

Yall are delusional 😂, you want Xbox to fail so badly. When you look at the launch games. Xboxs lineup is objectively stronger.

[Lazarus69]

Correction Subjectively Stronger not Objectively as it just your opinion and nothing else.

Also besides Halo what other games have been confirmed to apart of the Xbox launch line up?

[antikbaka]

actually before these 2 CGI presentation-fails from Microsoft I was thinking in an opposite direction.

[Demon37]

I was in in for Xbox until that event. It made me realise that Playstation is the way forward.

[ABizzel1]

I was always getting a PS5, but what Xbox did is push me completely towards upgrading my PC without a reason to ever invest in an Xbox.

[anast]

Same here.

[RazzerRedux]

That was always the case for me. Xbox consoles are redundant devices to what I already have.

[fathertime4464]

Funny, Microsoft doesn't care if you upgrade your pc. They only care if you buy their games on it. So I'm guessing you'll be supporting them anyways

[Kryptix1]

That's because they perceive the Xbox as a failure, that's why they put their games on Steam. Xbox is not their place to sell services anymore.

And to support them, it doesn't matter. You're a weirdo if you find satisfaction in supporting the corporations. The more important thing is where do I, the gamer, the customer get the most out of. On PC, you get the benefit of Game Pass and Steam sales so upgrading parts or investing in building a PC would be the wiser choice.

[fathertime4464]

@kryptix
You just called me a weirdo for supporting corporations.... do you have a preferred cell phone brand or is, do you use windows or mac preferably, do you specifically by playstation products? That's all supporting a corporation whether you want to admit it or not.
See I don't think xbox is better, I just prefer it. It suits me, do they do things wrong, hell yeah but so does sony. They just screw up in different ways.
But I digress. It's more weird that you think your not supporting a corporation by not buying an xbox, even though you support other corporations. At least I'm honest with myself

[Father__Merrin]

I was thinking the same but the thing is Xbox game etc on PC the prices are Sky High at least on the console even if you get the lock heart you might get lots of good Bargains pre-owned etc etc or trade-ins

[Kryptix1]

I have a 3700x and it's a fantastic CPU. I can game at 1440p 155hz and stream 1080p 60fps with no issues. One thing I learned from AMD is wait for sales as they come in quickly after a year. A $250 3700x and then wait for Zen 4 or Zen 3+ price drop would be the smarter decision as it would save you money for even a bigger CPU with more cores later down the line. My 3700x rarely hits 100% and if it does, I'm either streaming or rendering something.

[Bobertt]

Xbox is focusing on backwards compatibility and seems to be trying to push a netflix type service for games with Gamespass. They even said to stop calling it a console war because they have given up on making the best games possible with focusing on making all their games cross gen for the next 2 years. Value wise they might win for the sheer amount of games on gamespass and maybe a cheaper console but if im buying a next gen console its for next gen games.

[sourOG]

Imagine having to choose one platform. Not for any real reason like money issues, but branding platitudes. How bad would that suck?

[Rimeskeem]

Imagine not giving money to companies you don't think deserve it to make them do better.

[sourOG]

Imagine trying to justify your hatred in comment sections as “tough love”.

[djplonker]

SourOG right now: https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

"Buy an xbox because it exists"

[The Wood]

There was this game back in the day called lemmings. . . Not sure why I thought of it popped into my head. Weird I guess.

Assuming people hate something just because they don't like it is so reachy it's comical. Just because I don't fancy fillet mignon doesn't mean I hate it or would never eat it. I suppose extreme defence needs extremities

[quenomamen]

Wait, you think companies should get people to buy their products by making them instead of just cuz they make them ? You maniac.

[BeOpenMinded]

Imagine not liking new game reveals and not understanding people want a varied slate of games. Both systems have some cool stuff in pipeline. Really not interested in fable or obsidian rpg? Really? Is it just cuz its a MS thing? Is it because its on PC too?

[gamer7804]

if you see a future for Sony in gaming and like their ecosystem, why not give it to them? No ones stopping you.

[Cmv38]

This type of consumer logic is terrible. Why in the video game arena do you have to buy all competitors go prove something? Nobody buys a Ford and Chevy to prove they are really into cars. Ms enjoys consumers like you because they don't have to provide anything, just exist with a price tag.

[subzero1992]

Why care about a product you're not interested? Negative Xbox opinion pieces are so weird.

[Koolaidude]

That’s a terrible comparison. A vehicle is just a means of transportation. Consoles provide the deepest level of immersion and are in a billion dollar industry. People have no problem upgrading phones for hundreds, but consoles are a no. I get all three consoles every gen so I don’t miss out on anything. Nintendo for amazing exclusives, PlayStation for certain exclusives, and Xbox for a few exclusives and services/multiplayer. It’s sad that fanboys are missing out on such great games and it’s not like you have to buy them all at once.

[Koolaidude]

Get a system for a game you can’t miss out on. I got the PS4 when Spider-Man came out.

[nowitzki2004]

Im not with MS til death do us part, sorry bro not everyone is like you.

[Atticus_finch]

Imagine being an adult with family, a business and hobbies.
Life is short I'll stick with ps5.

[Koolaidude]

What game has made you NEED a PS5 this year?

[Atticus_finch]

Tlou2
Dreams
Ghost
Ff7

[Hakuoro]

Look at it like this, the $500-600 I could spend on an SX could buy all my games for my PS5 for a year maybe even two. Or if I really wanted to play xbox games I could use that money to upgrade my PC which has way more value than any console.

[sourOG]

That’s multiple platforms... what are you disagreeing with exactly lol?

[Koolaidude]

What games are you going to be getting on PS5 within the first year. I get all systems and there is no game that has made me need either system revealed for launch yet. Plus PlayStation normally has dry year and half to start.

[LordoftheCritics]

Donate your money to charity instead.

[sourOG]

Lmao@these triggered ass comments. Relax. All I said was imagine having to choose one platform based on superficial purposes. I wasn’t talking about any specific platforms. Your struck nerve and guilty conscious doesn’t matter to me. I wasn’t personally attacking you.

[dietis_h]

we all know what you were referring to.
dont backpedal now.

[sourOG]

Oh you’re a mind reader? No that’s just you assuming things. I’m not back peddling at all, I’m standing by exactly what I said. Not what you think I said based on your cognitive bias.

[Koolaidude]

They are triggered because they know it’s true. Good job

[Teflon02]

Comments aren't triggered. You just gotta know that sometimes it's the company and not the console. My issue is MS, so yes I got a gaming PC running windows. But I use Steam as my main launcher and would never bother depending on MS to the point, part of the reason that keeps me from the MS store is, despite PS4 controls having basically native support, MS doesn't allow games on the store to use it even if it has built in support.
These are the kinds of issues I have with MS, also the fact they fuck up somewhere every Xbox Generation. Sony's biggest fault the 4 gens was a high price PS3 that ultimately was worth the price. Ppl just didn't want to pay it and me included.

Right now I got a gaming PC, PS4 Pro and Switch. I could buy an Xbox One tmrw if available, I would second hand for $100CAD to play Banjo and Conker. But let those 2 games finally get PC releases and that's it for Xbox lol

[dietis_h]

imagine supporting a company who refuses to fight for your money. imagine being this blind to support them despite their idiocy.

[Koolaidude]

Like everyone that buys Madden, Call of Duty, NBA, etc. Sports games could release dlc to update rosters and Call of Duty never change. But, millions buy these games foolishly. Game Pass alone is reason to get an Xbox. Plus they have more studios to reveal games and acquisitions coming. Companies don’t care about you. Let’s not forget the PS3 reveal.

[RgR]

Imagine that not being the borm and people have to make an investment on only one console because of money issues.

[sourOG]

Money, family, friends, time are all legitimate reasons. Not liking something is a legitimate reason. I didn’t say “everyone must buy an Xbox because it exists”. That’s just what these idiots formed in their head to justify their shit talk. You don’t have even need an Xbox to play Xbox games lol. I’m saying imagine you “pick sides” based on branding alone. How bad would that suck?

[rainslacker]

I don't have to choose between platforms. I'm just choosing not to buy an XSX because MS hasn't shown they earned my dollar. I have brand loyalty to Sony, but that's because they have a tendency to prove they want to earn my respect as a consumer, thus they earn my money.

There's a reason that people make their choices, and brand loyalty is usually earned in some way. No one just likes a company out of the blue. Even the Xbox loyalist are loyal for their own reasons.

[sourOG]

That would be a real reason and I wasn’t talking about you. If you liked something on another platform you would buy it yes? Xbox or whatever else, Atari I don’t give a shit. I’m not talking about Xbox, that’s just what these idiots assumed. I’m saying imagine you liked something and didn’t buy it because of brand loyalty of another company. Not for any real reason but a dumb one. What a stupid mindset.

[Koolaidude]

Brand Loyalty is an unusual term for me. It’s weird to be loyal to a company that doesn’t give a damn about you. This is always interesting to me. I will get both systems when they release a game I have to play.

[rainslacker]

@Koolaide

They company doesn't need to give a damn about me. It's not like I expect them to come to my kid's parties, or take me in should i lose my home, or loan me their car.

But, I do expect them to provide me with the product I want, and if they can do that with consistency, at the price I want, and don't try to screw me over in some way, then they will have my loyalty. I won't call them kings or praise them as Gods, just be willing to buy their products again.

Brand loyalty isn't a dirty term. It can be negative when brand loyalty removes critical thought over what people are buying.

[Koolaidude]

😂😂👌

[quenomamen]

Yea we should all just buy products no matter how shitty, cuz choosing the better one makes the other company feel bad,

[sourOG]

Said no one ever. I don’t even know what kind of binary bubble you would have to inhabit to get that from what I posted.

[Destiny1080]

the chances of being able to pick up a PS5 at Launch will be next to Zero

Good luck trying

[Vervain]

Yeah, even with the increased supply I reckon they’ll be hard to come by.

[SierraGuy]

No problems at PS4 launch...why now?

[Minute Man 721]

Really??? Preorder from Best Buy. Don't trust Gamestop.

[Ashunderfire86]

I 100% percent agree with you sir! I surprisingly got my Nintendo Switch from Bestbuy waiting in line and I heard from the Best Buy employee that there was 60 Nintendo Switch in Red and Blue, and only 30 in Gray and black! Literally everyone in that line got a Nintendo Switch!!!! Gamestop only had 8 Nintendo Switches lol!!! If you guys want a PS5 waiting in line go for Best Buy!!!!

[CaptainObvious878]

Where do I go if I'm in Australia?

[Teflon02]

Gamestop/EB games always fulfills every preorder where I'm from. Just go instore the very day as soon as you hear

[Atticus_finch]

Don't jinx it bro...

[ABizzel1]

Both consoles will sell out, it's inevitable. Xbox still has a good following here in the states, I suspect around 70% of their supply will come to the US, and the other 30% spread globally.

[ABizzel1]

Sell out at launch.

[Hakuoro]

Huh, now things globally are a little different than PS4 launch, but honestly scalpers and stuff got burned on PS4 because Sony kept shipping them as fast as they could sell them.

You may be right but i'm not worried honestly.

[Ashunderfire86]

I got the PS4 at launch and I responded quicker than most people and it will be the same for PS5

[SamTheGamer]

A meme is going viral that Sony increased the price of PS5 by $100 after Xbox show 😂

Man!! These memes are so funny

[Darkborn]

They honestly could and people would buy it. This isn't the ps3, people are seriously invested in their current main platform due to digital purchases. Hell, I have PS movie purchases. I'd lose them if I went Xbox.

[Darkborn]

Yeah it's pretty crazy to think that this whole generation and the next, these companies are slowly keeping us invested to their ecosystems.

[j15reed]

Does Sony's ecosystem really matter if they only bring a handful of your games forward?

[Koolaidude]

Yeah cause the 360 gamers that went to PS4 purchased nothing digitally (sarcasm). We are in a pandemic. No one is buying a $600 machine. I’m surprised you fanboys have time to be in Xbox articles instead of playing TLOU and Ghost of.

[Profchaos]

Yeah I typically have multiple machines but I understand I wouldn't want to be locked out from my VR titles on psvr those can't be replaced on Xbox where most of my games that are multiplatform can

[Darkborn]

@j15reed who said Sony is only bringing a handful of games over to next gen? Last I checked, Sony is already requiring games that release before the PS5 releases to also release on the ps5 if they release on the ps4 as of July 13th, which already past. That means all games from now on have to release a patch to play on ps5. Now if it's costs anything, it's up to the publisher. Every publisher that Phil Spencer had reveal they were doing the cool new feature he keeps saying, if they are third party, they will also release it on the ps5 for free. It's stupid if they don't honestly. Plus I'm sure Sony is going to re-release the ps4 exclusives for the ps5 for free as well.. So what are you talking about? Did Phil tell you sweet little nothings again? Did he tell you halo infinite would look the best on Xbox series x or did he mean halo 5 would look the best on Xbox one x? Is the most powerful game console in the world currently delivering the best looking games? The answer to all those things will be revealed soon.. Stay tuned.

[Teflon02]

It's funny because until you said that I didn't even realize how much videos I own on PS lol. I started buying movies on YouTube though since I use YouTube premium for Music and supporting while never getting ads, and little extra features like pnp on phones and downloaded vids without all that extra crap. So I said makes sense that the app that's on everything in existence hosts my digital movies and shows

[Cmv38]

That would suck. But if my options are 100 buck more expensive ps5, or an xbox.... guess I'm buying 2 ps5.

[outsider1624]

Lmao!! Care to share the link.

[SamTheGamer]

https://twitter.com/NOFLEXG...

[KingofGambling]

link please. I need a good laugh.
Nevermind someone provided the link already.

[Profchaos]

I feel like a ps5 and a decent gaming PC will have every exclusive outside of Nintendo covered.
I'm pretty happy with that really I enjoyed gears 5 more on my PC than my console so more ms games giving me that option is great

[crazyCoconuts]

That's what I did right before the X1X came out. Upgraded my PC with a GTX1080 and an SSD and have been pretty happy with the results. Right now I'll play 3rd party on my PC and the PS4 exclusives or PSN freebies on the PS4 pro. I'll leap frog my upgrades so I don't waste $ to get the same performance... Like I won't upgrade my card again until 2 years after PS5 comes out. I do prefer playing on consoles to be honest though - they just work all the time, I don't have to fiddle with settings, and I don't get those dreaded Windows updates

[Profchaos]

Yeah that's exactly what I do pretty regularly I built a system with a 2070, 8700k 16 GB ram and nvme drive about two years ago but I'm also an engineer and rely on the PC for work.

But somehow I still enjoy playing on console more despite better graphics frame rate and resolution it's just less hassle maybe it's also the whole ecosystem thing to. I'll admit it is significantly easier than a few years back but I like plugging my PC into the tv and using an Xbox gamepad but there's some titles that just play poorly with controllers anything by Bethesda comes to mind especially rage 2 and Doom.

I'll give it to Ms though all their PC releases recently like gears control flawlessly with a gamepad I had an awesome experience playing gears 5 on my PC. I own an og Xbox one and I only really played a few games on it like halo 5 and MCC but mid gen everything started coming to the PC and played significantly better so it just became almost annoying to go back to playing something like gears 5 on my og system so I really don't think I'll get one again at least not until the inevitable price drop and mid gen refresh I am interested in their BC and HDR boost for og titles

[anonymousfan]

The only thing that I dislike about Halo and Gears on PC is the lack of splitscreen ... I'm sure I am in the minority but I really love that heck I used the exploits countless times to do 3 people splitscreen.

[Hakuoro]

PS5 - PC - Switch

[EasilyTheBest]

Gamepass has pushed me to an Xbox Series X.

[crazyCoconuts]

That doesn't even make sense. Game Pass is on all Xboxes - it doesn't "push" you anywhere

[pornflakes]

But not 4k/60 fps.

By your logic Pc gamers also would not upgrade to better Hardware as they can als o play in 1080p instead of 4k

[ABizzel1]

And PC, and therefore XCloud on mobile.

[crazyCoconuts]

@porn, on PC if Nvidia wants to push you to buy their latest cards, they show you games that look incredible RUNNING ON THAT CARD. Do you see the difference here? I mean if you are indeed getting an xSX because of Game Pass, by all means. I just hope people don't rely on you for things like financial advice.

[EasilyTheBest]

I had an Xbox One X, I sold it recently so I'd get tidy money for it so I can buy an Xbox Series X. I want the most powerful console. I'm upgrading exactly like ppl do with PCs.
I already have a number of PCs, but like the vast majority of ppl they are nowhere near as powerful as the coming Xbox Series X. It would cost more to upgrade them than buy a Series X.
Plus I'm not into PC gaming one bit.
Gamepass is amazing especially so with all these new games coming.. Plus just like PC my older games will look way better.

[Hakuoro]

EasilyTheBest

If it's so powerful why aren't they showing it off with gameplay?

Maybe all this power talk is just more B.S. dev after dev has said the two consoles are pretty much the same.

Except the PS5's SSD which is obviously superior.

[Artemidorus]

Microsoft are just keeping the diehard fans who want repeated games.

It's why Sony has done so well, take risks and focus on what diverse ways can be done.

[Cmv38]

as a gamer I like new experiences. Sony tries, that other place not so much

[OneLove]

Lol these retarded articles spread like wildfire on this site after every xbox showcasings.

[Cmv38]

the same way positive news spreads after Sony showings....its almost like people are discussing how they feel. Hmmmm.

[Koolaidude]

It’s called bias. Both shows disappointed.

[kayoss]

its call "feelings". something you should know about according to your name.

[OneLove]

ironic considering my name would mean that I would be against most of you fan tards hating.....wait its not a lack of games anymore but now its.....gameplay. You clowns just want to be mad at something.

[kayoss]

then maybe dont promise your fans that you will show gameplay. Then sit there a brag about how powerful the series X is and fail to show how powerful the Series X is.
You xbox fan boys are like Trump supporters. MS can lie to your face and you will still take it as the truth. But when the truth comes out, you will still make excuses.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I'll get a PS5 later. I never finished Ratchet and Spider-Man looks good but not a fan of the webslinging (S2 was the best). Demon Souls...already played it.

Xbox One X should be fine for now. Just started No Mans Sky on GamePass

[Games1st]

Spider-man had to limit webslinging and a lot of other things for graphics, it's their first attempt and there is a lot to improve. The new one can be faster (swinging speed, camera, movement) like S2 with the extra power of PS5, Dual Sense controller and tension for web will be awesome!

[Hakuoro]

What was limited now... you two haven't played it have you?

[MrSugarholic]

I guess they are trying to say that the web slinging was limited in how fast you could go, couldn't go as fast because of the loading. With the SSD it shouldn't be as much of an issue. I'm pretty sure that's why there is a video demonstration using the game and the world loading in, the the effect the SSD has.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[CR7JUVE1897]

And that first part of the last sentence is really making me hesitant to get a Series X at launch. My games already look great on my One X. Why would I trade that in and invest another 300.00 for a machine that primarily will only make my games that already look great, look even better?

And gamepass is gamepass, no matter what platform you have on their ecosystem.

I understand that they don't want to "leave anyone behind", so to speak, but are better graphics and FPS for games that already exist for the platform you own, a big enough reason to make that kind of financial investment?

I don't know.

[Npugz7]

I fell the same way. I was excited to be possibly going Xbox and was on the hype train but that train derailed for a 2nd time in a row. I’m pretty sure I’ll be going PS5 in fall now. It didn’t help that halo infinite looked like it could run on my Xbox 360.

[MajorPectorals]

Halo infinite Definitely killed some of my hype. Everything else about Xbox I like though.

[Toiletsteak]

The money I would have used to get an Xbox will just go towards new PC parts.

[pornflakes]

There is no Chance you will get such power for 500 bucks on PC. The ssd and gfx card alone will cost you 1000 bucks.

You are simply trolling- nothing more

[Nitrowolf2]

they said used TOWARDS,. Thats like saying I'm gonna use this $5 towards a pre-order, doesn't mean it costs that, just means they're investing

Yeah it'll be pricier in the end

[Toiletsteak]

Huh? I already have a powerful PC, I will most likely just get a new processor and motherboard. I never once said I can buy a PC for 500, if you read i said "go towards" meaning that however much the Xbox costs that amount will go TOWARDS PC parts, I never said it will cover the cost of whatever I buy.

[RazzerRedux]

Before the show, I was all-in on buying an Xbox Series X, but now....

....aw hell, who am I kidding?

[Hakuoro]

Honestly... who are you kidding? I figured you were in the PS5 camp... But then again you were trying to defend that Halo demo pretty hard...

Not that it matters, you don't have to tell me anything if you don't want.

[RazzerRedux]

Most everyone knows as far as consoles are concerned, I favor PlayStation. But I primarily game on PC and so I have little need for Xbox. Thus, my joke above.

But I'm not in a "camp". I'm in my own. My opinions do not always align with other PS fans. And that is why my defending the Halo demo doesn't make sense to you, I guess. I just say what I think.

[SierraGuy]

I believe Razzer is a PC gamer first and foremost.

[RazzerRedux]

Definitely

[2ndhandcorn]

I will stick with them as i like more multiplayer and co op in games .

[DarthSocio]

I haven't bought a console since the Xbox 360 but I think I'm only getting the PS5 next generation. I missed out on so many quality games on the PS4. I'll probably buy the them (if they're backward compatible) to tide me over until more PS5 games come out.

[GoodGuy09]

And that didnt last gen? Jk jk, to each their own.

[Einhander1971]

Its never been any different for me, Nintendo, Sony. It used to be Nintendo, Sega, Sony.

[coolastheycome]

I'm the opposite. Sony is pushing me toward Xbox

[Fantangoooo]

Go ahead.. get the ps5.. lol

[Hakuoro]

Will do!

[Oxen21]

I will, just like everyone outside the beloved USA

[medman]

If Sony consistently having exceptional exclusives over the course of the ps1, ps2, ps3, and ps4 generations hasn't already "pushed" you toward ps5, you might consider seeing a psychiatrist, because something ain't right upstairs. That doesn't mean Xbox doesn't have anything going on...I love gamepass, xcloud, the design of the series x.....but when it comes to exclusive games, Sony has been cleaning their clock, well, forever.

For me personally, the ps5 was always a day one purchase. Until Microsoft's July 23rd conference, I felt I would buy series x day one also. I still probably will, simply because I skipped the xbox one this generation, so for me gamepass ultimate saves everything because I'll get to play Gears, Forza, Ori, etc day one. But if I were an xbox one owner already, that conference really would have infuriated me, firstly because Microsoft said "no gamer left behind" so games won't be designed exclusively for series x for a couple years, and the real reason they said that is now very clear.....all their first party studio games outside of Halo, even Forza, are still somehow super early in development. How they let that happen I have no idea. So by the time those games are ready for launch, technically their two year window for "no gamer left behind" will have lapsed. They're just so slimy with their double speak. They never say what they mean, they never mean what they say.

The second reason I would be upset is that Halo and 3rd parties look like that's all you're going to be playing for a long time, no new first party titles on the horizon, so if I'm looking at ps5 and seeing Spider-Man Miles Morales at launch, along with Horizon II Forbidden West presumably launching in 2021, along with Ratchet and Clank, probably GT7 (though GT7 may be a 2022 title) and some very appealing looking indie titles, I'm thinking buying a ps5 at launch makes a lot more sense, and maybe waiting a year or two for Microsoft's games to show up, plus the console will cost less at that point.

[CaptainObvious878]

"If Sony consistently having exceptional exclusives over the course of the ps1, ps2, ps3, and ps4 generations hasn't already "pushed" you toward ps5, you might consider seeing a psychiatrist, because something ain't right upstairs."

This pretty much 100 times over.

It's fine to still prefer xbox, but objectively speaking, playstation is miles ahead as far as quality games.

[NewEnds0186]

Still getting both. Both have games I want to play and will have more as time goes by.

[FlavorLav01]

Of course they are, MS is pushing brute power and services, instead of TLC for making AAA-tier quality games and helping to push the medium forward. And they will continue to play 2nd fiddle to Sony until they figure that part out. You have to support your console/ecosystem and MS still doesn’t look prepared or inclined to do that, current gen or next gen IMO.

[OB1Biker]

The irony is Ms is pushing power with talk but only PS5 actually showed next gen power with games footage running on the console.

[FlavorLav01]

Totally agreed! So far MS is just a bunch of talk about services, showed up to their own show without a) games running on the actual platform, and b) to tell us we won’t have any of what they showed except Halo ready anytime soon. Lol

[Snipelife15]

The most important part is the games were running on a PS5, xbox games running on a PC

[Tex4242]

It pretty much comes down to they seem to not understand how to market their products. I understand they purchased devs not long ago and most of the games arent far along, but the avg customer doesnt. In my opinion the games shown are probably going to be good, but they need to show gameplay. Most companies have issues with showing just CG trailers, but MS is really bad with it. If everyone of those games had gameplay, even 30 seconds, it wouldnt have been an amazing show, but in sure there would have been a more positive attitude towards the show. Like come on....wheres the Hellblade gameplay. You dont have 30s to a minute to show us. They do, but for some reason they choose not to show it. No clue why. The games will come, but it's going to be a year or 2 from launch and you're not selling new customers on that, and the current install base is tired of waiting. By the time they get their act together, it could be too late, and I dont want to see that but they do this to themselves constantly.

[JokerDem]

This will be N4G for the next few months till release. Sony fans drooling over articles about Xbox failing because they literally have nothing else to do.

[STARS]

Let's compare 2020 exclusive line-ups between Xbox and Sony, and you tell me who're really the ones with nothing to do. The last two months Sony has offered their fans The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima. That's also not taking into account all of the great games released before June and July, like Nioh 2, Persona 5 Royal and Final Fantasy VlI Remake. What has MS had to come even close to countering that? I'll answer that one for you, nothing. This is why you constantly see Xbox fans on here everyday trolling the living hell out of everything that isn't MS-related. That Game Pass though, amirite?

[JohnnyRico305]

This whole site have sad little men. Each and everyone of them probably can’t afford but one system anyways. I don’t limit myself or based my decision on biased. I just grab everything that interest me. And both have something

[CaptainObvious878]

Did you just assume my gender???

That's hate speech!!

And you do know girls play games too, right? That's a very sexist comment.

[Ashunderfire86]

I feel your pain man!(dude from the article). I was completely let down by Halo Infinite gameplay that was suppose to be the main reason to get the Series X! All I saw was a bland and boring looking game that call itself Halo! I don't care if it's an early build of the game, because that is no excuse when we all should be seeing a near finish product before fall! All we saw after that was CGi trailers and Ingame footage that was 15-30 seconds long that was super short! I was disappointed with the Forza Motorsport trailer that was supposed to grab our attention, because racing games are the best games to show off a console's power! Man all I got was a 30 second trailer and not even an extended look of the gameplay, like Sony did with Gran Turismo 7 that is still early in development! I was expecting to see gameplay and graphical showcase comparison of Forza VS Gran Turismo 7 with a Digital Foundry analysis. That was suppose to happen and Microsoft failed at delivering that!

Yes there was some interesting games that I was super excited about like The Medium that had a decent amount of gameplay showing off the duel screen feature, but I will most likely get this game for PC to enjoy 4K60FPS, since the Xbox Series X version is just 4K30FPS(power of 12 TFlops big WHOOP LOL!!!). Stalker 2, Awoved(I think that is the name) Crossfire was interesting, but not even those games gave me enough gameplay and all those trailers was super short too.

Aaron Greenberg, Phil Spencer, and I have to include Matt BOOTY....You guys suck! These guys continue to lie and make all these bold claims about the power of the Series X being the best console this and that crap! Well then why are we still seeing PC footage 3 months before launch??? How is that Sony delivered a more professional PS5 showcase that not only gave us a reason to buy the console, but actually showed gameplay and many of the games had extended gameplay!!!! All we are getting is damage control from Microsoft with Aaron Greendberg stating what was shown in the Halo trailer was PC footage lol!!!! If the game was not close to being ready they never should have shown that footage! Now the Halo legacy is ruined and it's a running joke Meme right now! This is what happens if you keep on talking about the MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE WITH 12 TFLOPS, MORE CPU POWER!!!! RAY TRACING(That will be available in a post launch patch for Halo???) MORE POWER AND THE BEST VERSION TO PLAY YOUR GAMES!!!! BS...YOU KNOW THAT THE PC VERSION IS ALWAYS THE BEST!

[CaptainObvious878]

From the passion of your comment I can assume your an (was?) avid xbox fan (correct me if I'm wrong).

And when MS's own enthusiastic fans start seeing through the constant lies from Phil and Greenburg and are this disappointed and angry at their showing, it says to me MS are is serious serious trouble.

[subzero1992]

More fanboy opinion pieces. Enjoy what you enjoy.

[silenthillstrangler]

PS5 is pushing me to PS5.

[Chevalier]

PS4 and all the amazing support pushes me to buy the PS5. Always the best games and best support hands down. PS4 winding down and for 2020, we got Nioh 2, Dreams, TLOU2, FF VII, Ghost, MLB and so much more

[jBlakeeper]

PS5 will be the top console because Sony has the gamer in mind and aims to please with unique experiences that give incentive to purchase. Something Series X won’t have for at least two years. Xbox fails to understand this and it really is common sense. Series X demand is going to be embarrassingly low compared to PS5.

[MajorPectorals]

I’d argue that MS understands exactly what they’re doing. They’ve made it clear the last year that gamepass is their priority not a console. Sony will be the top console by default

[philm87]

I've had so many amazing hours of fun and experiences on PS4 exclusives, there's no way I can consider moving away from Sony. Currently being blown away by the graphics on the Last of Us 2, which looks like it may as well be on the PS5.

[quenomamen]

MS doesn't care about the core gamers anymore, its too busy pushing subscription based gaming. They’re trying to be the Netflix of video games except YOU NEED GAMES to lure people in. And more than just the same 6 games.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

The harsh responses are way over the top. Sony hasn't showed anything that topples what Microsoft is offering. I'm also sure that many of Sony's games which were shown at their event, will take years to develop, which is something that Microsoft is being criticized for. I can't figure out why people are so brainwashed, that they need to keep pushing these narratives.

[Hakuoro]

*rolls eyes*

[Chevalier]

Playstation 4 this year had TLOU2, Nioh 2, Persona 5 Royale, Dreams, MLB, Ghost of Tsushima, FF VII and just keep supporting their systems. The PS3 was the same. There's no doubting Playstation having the best game support. Can Xbox say the same? 3 generation's of Xbox with lack luster support to end each one.

The only person pushing a narrative right now is you. I would suggest using your own words you're brainwashed and might I add an idiot. Boohoo to you're stupid Xbox victim narrative. Just idiotic.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

A very nasty post.

[Chevalier]

The truth is harsh sometimes. The victims mentality is getting tired. Xbox hyped up the event and failed miserably and now there's apologists like you making one excuse after the other. Its idiotic that Xbox fans expect so little and let the bar be set so extremely low. You want to be treated like trash and get garbage quality games? Probably not. But if you're here making up excuses you're a part of the problem.

[CaptainObvious878]

I can admit that some of games Sony showed might be a year off from launch or possibly more, but that doesn't matter, where as MS's case it does.

Why the double standard you ask? Very good question, let me explain.

Sony has a long 20 year history of stellar support for through the entirety of each generation. MS have a history of dropping support halfway through each generation, mismanaging studios, throwing around money to 'fix' problems and generally doing the bare minimum they can get away with.

So I safely buy a PS5, assured in the knowledge that all Sony's announced games are probably going to be stellar as usual, but I don't have the same faith in xbox.

Also, concerning MS's recent showcase. After halo, which it is very obvious it's being heavily rushed to be released in time for xsx launch, almost every other game was a cgi trailer. That's a very bad sign for a console releasing in 4 months.

[ConTroll]

It's a great time for Sega to re-enter the console market

[Germaximus]

I learned this gen that there's no reason to own both platforms, especially when it comes to Xbox if you already also play on PC. Microsoft is fail.

It didn't used to be that way back in Nintendo and Sega days. There were many reasons to own both platforms.

[InUrFoxHole]

I'm series x day 1. Variety and power. Plus no more xbl gold sub

[Jon_Targaryen]

to OP. Good for you!

[rlow1]

Good go.

[moriarty1889]

PS5 show next month will completely bury the XSX and its mediocre gamepass brand games borefest. What Sony showed last month already looks better and generated four times the views. Phil and Booty need to go. Bring back J. Allard and co.
I am sure most people will be getting PS5 instead of the xsx with no pushing required.

[jznrpg]

PS games push to me PS 1 2 3 4 5

[Apex13]

Couldn’t agree more sadly. I genuinely can just buy an Xbox one x for cheap and use. Game pass. However, they don’t have any games I want to play anymore. Gears isn’t even the same.

[JohnnyRico305]

Imagine not being broke and being able to buy what you want when you want. Unlike all these biased ass people I’m getting both PS5 and Xbox. Like I did last gen. I play games and a lot of of them. I win all around

[The_Sage]

Imagine having a beautiful loving wife and children, a full time job, two businesses, family, friends, and a weekend getaway with not enough time for more than one console. Sounds like I win all around.

[JohnnyRico305]

I have that and then some and still make time to be real gamer. I broaden my horizons when ever possible wtf are you eve talking about?

[CaptainObvious878]

I don't need to imagine, I can buy what I want when I want. But that doesn't mean I'm going to waste $500 dollars on a company that has a history of consistently prematurely dropping support for their consoles and mismanaging their developer teams.

[The_Sage]

Sure you do, Johnny... Sure you do.

[Ulf]

That's funny, because this is the first time I probably will not buy a Sony console at all. Steam + Xbox will just plain be better.

[The_Sage]

Lol, what?..

[CaptainObvious878]

Are you high?

[S2Killinit]

I wonder the sincerity of the title because if you weren’t pushed toward PlayStation 5 all generation long, why is their recent lackluster showing doing that all of a sudden? This is what its been like all generation long, this should be more of the same.

[neomahi]

Yes, get an Xbox, then my chances of getting a PS5 at lunch are better. I'm actually worried there won't be enough to pre order or for a while after launch and I'll have to keep my PS4 out.....

[Weapon_of_choice]

I was pondered getting an xbox x after getting a PS5, X event made me decide not to get an xbox and rather spend it on PS5 games.

[waverider]

It will only get worse when its oficial that rdna3 features are on the ps5. That allow to do more with less. This after some were making fun of the gpu of the ps5 being rdna1.... And not next gen...

[BLUEKNIFE]

At this point, Sony has no competition. Ps5 next gen, period.

[Putnum]

Anyone with a half decent PC has no reason to by a Series X until like 2024 change my mind

[MetroidFREAK21]

I mean good for you. I personally will be getting both

[chicken_in_the_corn]

Backwards compatibility is pushing me towards Series X

[CaptainObvious878]

You do know PS5 has BC as well, right?

[chicken_in_the_corn]

I do but the only Xbox i have ever owned is the 360. Would be great to play exclusives from other xbox consoles

[FlameWater]

Anyone listening to popular video game podcasts? They're hailing the XBOX event a success

[Fastandslow]

i just bought a pc so i plan to still buy there games so there getting my money with or without a xbox i wish sony would be a bit more open to pc ports but i dont mind buying a ps5 since only having to buy one system this gen isnt to bad

[zarbor]

Some gamers just don't get it no matter how much MS has been telling us by their actions that they only cater to certain gamers....Most of those gamers are NOT you. Move on people. Move on.

[BeOpenMinded]

Both PS and Xbox have no doubt some good games coming. How can you not be cheering on a new fable or obsidian rpg along w slew of other decent looking titles. Is the melodrama due to not feeling the need to upgrade a console or having access on PC? If so then the games dont deserve the hate as they are exciting to see. Im sure MS dont care if you play on PC. The rhetoric around this is weird or there are just pure haters it seems because some of the xbox games will please RPG fans and fill a gap w some other genres not on PS.

[Teflon02]

Have to save money in my account to make sure I cop PS5 day one. It'll probably be a little break from pc until Jan when it drops. Catchup on ps4 exclusives etc as well as ps5 games while I take the rest of the time to catch deals on upgrading my pc and saving up for the best or one of the best GPU's in Jan. Hyped

[FlavorLav01]

Don’t know why they rush to come out at the same time anymore. Nintendo has proven with an identity of your own, a company can launch a successful game console away from its other largest competitors and still do well to gain market share. If Xbox has a unique games line-up, services, and features that distinguish it from the pack, there’s no reason it couldn’t succeed launching on its own. Personally, I’d rather see them delay a few months and be ready at launch, then to see them come out the gate stumbling with an armful of excuses. I don’t mind waiting or paying for quality, but I very highly regard finished products. Whatever method gets us the best products is what I care about

[SpadeX]

What's with the downvotes on everyone who prefers Xbox here? What has this site become? Lol.

[jakmeup123]

console fanboys are pretty cancer but looking at this objectively. I was very excited to see what Xbox had so i could play it all on my pc but I dont see why anyone would look at that presentation and decide to buy a series X.

[Clonetrooper1139]

I NEVER buy consoles at launch. Nope. Frankly, neither has wowed me.

[ufo8mycat]

It has been like this ever since Microsoft entered the console market.
Playstation 2 was leaps and bounds better then Xbox, because it had a sheer amount of quality games.
Playstation 3, in the end, was better then 360 because of the amount of quality games.
Playstation 4 was on another level compared to the XB1, because it had a sheer amount of quality games.

I'm going to be honest, I don't know how some platforms have a dedicated audience. XBox being one of them. I mean, just look at the XB1, there is literally no great games on the system.

It baffles me how people can be so stubborn towards supporting a platform that is far inferior to others.

[Ulf]

"Because fanboy" is really the only reason to buy a PS5, at this point, I think.

Enjoy that second-rate console, where you have to pay for BC before late 2013, and wear headphones while you play at a lower frame rate, to cancel out the noisy fan while playing on a serious TV.

[Stanjara]

Enjoy 2003 games pleb.

[Juancho51]

They seem to be handing the generation's reigns to Sony and saying, have fun with your shiny new toys, we're gonna just chill back here for a little while longer.

[YourMommySpoils]

AAA batteries should have pushed you first.

[snoopgg]

It's always been Sony for me. I had a 360, before the ps3 came out, but the rrod and 3 consecutive 360 returns done it in for me and Microsoft!

[Hugodastrevas]

PS5 is the smart choice.

[GordyNYC]

I think the MS strategy is to get people to join Gamepass where the gamer provides their platform of choice and its only about the games.

[ikarodemon]

Im PC player forever. But If i need a second option will go with the PS5 or Switch! The xbox exclusives are so mehh!