It looks like Microsoft is already breaking a big promise with Xbox Series X

Did Microsoft convince you that you wouldn’t need to next-gen hardware to play Xbox Series X games? Think again: fully half of the next-gen games that Microsoft showcased at its Xbox Series X showcase today, including Forza, probably aren’t coming to Xbox One.

[crazyCoconuts]

They said everything would run on X1 FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. Which is simply how long it'll take them to get these games out apparently. When you got a bunch of lemons, sell lemonade

[StoneyYoshi]

I really hope that isn't the case. No true next gen FIRST PARTY exclusives for 2 +years? I really hope they have more exclusives set aside to show off that will be coming out on all Xbox systems Over that waiting period for SOD3, Forza, Fable etc.

[RpgSama]

Phil Spencer is so full of S***, just a couple of days ago he said exclusives are ‘Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About,’ I guess he believes that only for the timeframe while MS only has current gen games that they made cross-gen because their next gen games were so far out.

They found themselves in the position where they would have nothing or close to nothing for the next couple of years, so they tried to spin a negative into a positive.

[_dangerclose_]

It is the case, sorry to break the news to you.

[darthv72]

MS never made that promise. They said there wont be SX specific games for two years. That means that when an SX specific game does get released... it is for the SX not the xbo as well. Only the games already in development for xbo/ sx will be cross gen.

Fable and Forza arent even in alpha yet so those are outside that two year mark.

[Unspoken]

Wouldn't need to next-gen? Wtf does that even mean. Probably...? We don't know but maybe possibly? Who posted this garbage. Wait a second, didn't Sony cult claim it was necessary to move to next-gen? What a bunch of idiots now claiming it's bad Microsoft has next gen games...

[mcstorm]

Tbh you don't see true next gen games until 2 or more years I'm. Show me one game on the Xbox one or ps4 that look 10x better than what the previous gen had. None did they just added more things in like kz had bits being blown by the wind and forza 5 had bins and skittles on the track to show the consoles could have more. The only game that really looked next gen was BF4 and that still looks impressive today.

[DJStotty]

@Stoney

It is not the case, we will have series x only games in 2021, bookmark this comment.

[yomfweeee]

As the article points out, Microsoft has repeated that multiple times. But no one would be surprised if Microsoft lied again.

[yomfweeee]

@darth

Yes, Spencer has directly said that. An article written directly by Spencer (which this article refers to). All Xbox Game Studio titles in hte next couple of years will work on Xbox One.

"You won’t be forced into the next generation. We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios. That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One. We won’t force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives."

https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

[darthv72]

@yom... thanks for proving my point. In case you didnt know, "couple" means two. And two happens to be the number of years the xbo / sx will be cross gen for MGS games.

Forza and Fable are just outside the two year mark. Hence making them SX class games and not bound to be cross gen.

[sprinterboy]

They've had nothing this gen, so what have they been upto over the last few year the mind boggles.
You'd think they would have had a bunch of games ready for the series X launch but NO

[kreate]

@darth

Sometimes I wonder if ur just throwing words out there for the lulz...

[Marquinho]

"Forza Motorsport, Fable, Avowed, As Dusk Falls, Everwild and State of Decay 3"

From those games, I'd only expect Forza to come out before 2022.

[Hakuoro]

I've been saying the two years thing was just B.S. and that the real reason they said that was to try to turn the fact that their development was behind because Phil spent 3/4 of the generation saying games don't matter. Microsoft
had basically no new games in development from 2015 on and didn't start development with the new studios until 2018 so those games won't be ready before 2022'ish given current developmental cycles.

Microsoft knew they were screwed so they PR'd an idea to try to spin it into something "consumer friendly" and "forward compatible" was born.

People praise Phil but honestly at least Mattrick knew games were important, the DRM was first class BS but aside from that he did a better job than Phil has done and there is no reason to think Phil wasn't on board with the DRM as well.

[Dissidia]

Wrong.

[Rude-ro]

What was it, two months ago they were sending out halo questionnaires...
You are correct and the proof is in today’s showings.
Not only not running on the hardware, but mainly cgi... yelp...
You know what they say ...”wait till next year”.

[crazyCoconuts]

My man Phil: "But when I think about the position we’re in with the games we’re gonna show with the hardware advantage that we have I think we’re in a very good position. So, I feel good about July.”

[cell989]

@crazycoconuts lmao I picture him in a clown costume when he said that

[Zeref]

Phil said games aren't important and yet is buying studios left and right? 😂 😂

Make it make sense.

SDF is out in full effect 😂

[Petebloodyonion]

I have been saying the same thing regarding Xbox1 forward compatibility that the 1 to 2 years was for transition periods and it was an easy adjustment to make since the majority of big publishers won't risk losing money by doing a next-gen only game when there's not a big player base yet.

Now
Do you know MS or Sony launch Lineup?
the only games we know for sure are Halo "must run on old Xbox" Infinite and Spiderman ODST
Can't say that I'm impressed by both offering

but just mentioning that all major AAA games from Sony had at least 2 years gap (usually 3) between the E3 reveal and the release date And the reason is simple.... money
Would you prefer selling the game that cost you several million to make at a crowd of 10 to 50 million of owner or a crowd over 50 millions of potential customers?

And just to prove my point name 1 BIG AAA must-have launch title that Sony's studio made in the history of Playstation
I'll give you my best pick: Uncharted on Vita (and it's not on par with the others).

[Ausbo]

Under Don Mattrick, XBOX had like 4 studios. So don’t tell me Don knew games were important. Yeah the guy who unveiled the Xbox as a TV device

[DJStotty]

The thing is, they did not even say what these articles are saying they said.

Matt said in January, over the next 12 months (minimum) games will play across the family of devices.

So any game after Jan 2021 release has made good on their promise.

[DJStotty]

@Rude-ro

Halo Infinite gameplay was CGI? What?

[dietis_h]

phil is all talk and no show. he's destroying the xbox brand.

[PSX-94]

XBS strikes again!

[derektweed1]

Let's look at the games.

Forza Motorsport - Turn 10. they released Forza Motorsport 7 in 2017
Fable - Playground Games released Forza Horizon 4 in 2018
Avowed - Obsidian entertainment released outer worlds in 2019
everwild - Rare released Sea of Thieves in 2018
State of decay 3 - undead labs realeased state of decay 2 in 2018

Can't you give them some time to make their bloody games. People complain about games being rushed or being pushed out to often lik CoD then complain when the studios take time to make their games. Have some patience man.

[rainslacker]

So, they're breaking the promise of not revealing games too early then? I seem to remember that being a promise when it was beneficial to make Spencer look likeable and respectful, because apparently it was bad that Sony was doing it, even though MS just had nothing new to show, so it's easy to not show anything, when you have nothing to show....until people want you to show something, then you start showing stuff years ahead of release.

Let's face it. Despite anything good that MS has managed to do to salvage how low the brand sunk at the start of this gen, Spencer and his execs will say whatever they think will get them the most praise, and what they think their fans want to hear. Doesn't matter if they follow through, or even mean what they say. MS is in continuous spin mode, instead of just trying to market based on actually delivering products without having to go through so much effort.

[Tony-A]

My thoughts exactly. While I personally do really like Phil as an Xbox figurehead, the whole “exclusives don’t matter” concept he’s trying to spin is absolute garbage.

It blows my mind to think that they’re really trying to turn this no exclusives thing into a positive. It’s not good for business and it’s not good for the Series X. I had this debate with a friend recently who says that “early adopters will adopt anyway.” And yes while I agree that’s true, it’s true for any generation. What really helps expand a platforms install base is - among other things - exclusives. So I asked my friend this:

“Okay. So if exclusives aren’t really important, I have two questions. One, why even have exclusives at all (whether at launch or years later)? And two, if any potential exclusive becomes a Series & One title, why would I spend money buying the more expensive console when it launches, when there’s a cheaper one available? Why wouldn’t I just buy a Series X when they actually have exclusives a few years later? The problem there is that the PS5 will have 3 years of a head start in this regard.“

With the way they’ve been strategizing over the past couple of years, I wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft is hoping to establish themselves in the industry as the Netflix of gaming. I think they’re more than capable of doing this, but the way they’ve been approaching the next generation is straight-up bizarre.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Rainslacker
I think you are really trying too hard to pin false statements or broken promises to Phil like the many time you talked about how he lied about VR for Xbox 1X.
Your statement regarding revealing too early was in regard to Scalebound, Sea of Thieves and Crackdown3, and nothing regarding Sony. It was first mentioned after Scalebound cancellation.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/sc...
As for Sony, they have been constant with a 2-3 years delay between announcement and release.

@Tony-A

Why do you believe that Sony had a Gta5 spot in the PS5 Showcase?

Because it's the most selling game and they want you to know that it's where you can buy it.
Same with crappy NBA 2k.

Just check the top 100 best selling games and you will see COD, COD, GtA, RDR2, FIFA, FiFa and tons of supposed shitty games made by 3rd parties, heck even Minecraft is in the top 25 games on Ps4.
Also Ed Boon made a survey regarding what's important about next-gen console and exclusives arrived at last with 13.2%.
https://twitter.com/noobde/...

We believe exclusives are what's important because we are hardcore gamers (just the fact that we debate on this forum most of the time is proof enough), but the average consumer doesn't give a damn about exclusivity and I can easily prove it to you with this question?

What exclusive apps or features made you go to the store to chose your model of Android vs iPhone (or vice versa)?
Do you know the exclusives apps and features of your smartphone and your brand?

[rainslacker]

@Pete

Nope. not trying hard to pin them at all. Spencer makes it quite easy to do.

Maybe he didn't lie in all those cases, but that just means he didn't deliver. The occasional time when things end up not making business sense is one thing, constant disappointment, backtracking, and outright false statements is quite another.

@Tony

I have nothing against him personally. met him on a few occasions and think he's a perfectly decent person. But, I'm not here to discuss my relationship with him, rather discuss my personal feelings about gaming, the industry, and that as a consumer....to which, I think he's not been that great. He came out like a ball on fire, and it was exciting, then everything just went to crap. The few good things he's done this gen don't make up for the lackluster performance, nor am I sold on the current path that MS wants to take with Xbox, nor do I have enough faith in them to deliver as promised.

[Atom666]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

People criticize them for not showing reason for long term investment in their system, but how do you do that without showing games in the pipeline. People criticize them for not having "next-gen only" games, but now that's another broken promise?

Double standards and unreasonable expectations are one thing, but you guys need to get your own complaints in order before calling foul here.

[Hakuoro]

Atom666

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Not really, they made a PR decision but it was unpopular so now they are trying to walk it back.

If they hadn't tried to weaponize their PR none of this would be an issue. No one would be complaining if they had skipped the PR and just made some games cross gen and other not. It's the what they said themselves that got them in trouble.

It's their own fault.

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Rainslacker
"constant disappointment, backtracking, and outright false statements is quite another."
Wonder why the industry love and Phil? Why MS Investors Love Phil? Why the media love Phil?
Because unlike what you would like to believe he did deliver the majority of the complaint addressed to Xbox and basically prevented Xbox1 to be a Wiiu/Gamecube flop and reverse the damage made to the brand.
Backward compatibility is now an important feature even for Ps5
Ms doesn't have the weakest hardware ( remember the usual 1080P vs 900P debate)
The Xbox isn't a broshooter console only and it has a huge variety of gaming including japanese type like Yakuza
Pc gamers are now considered (No more crappy port or no port at all) and they do now release the same great game on Windows (the store update make it now close to steam vs the crap it was before)
MS is now producing games and releasing games.
Gamepass is an incredible success and the true Exclusive that Sony or Nintendo doesn't really have at the moment.

But hey don't worry I'm sure that they will keep disappointing you no matter what they do because it's what you expect them to do! So at least they are meeting your expectations.

@Hakuoro
Really? they said that Xbox 1 would be forward compatible for a year or two and now they are backtracking?
How about the Psfanboy that based the whole argument that Serie X despite the power would be held down because of Xbox1?
Because I have been saying that the Xbox would be on equal footing with the Ps5 since the majority of the big AAA would not arrive after 2 years in the console life.
And it's not because I have a crystal ball or something like that it's just looking at the whole history that aside Nintendo that release console with a major exclusive, no other company has done it (ok fine Halo on OG Xbox) and the big AAA exclusive are released after 2 years in the life cycle.
Why would this be different?
And for your info, all past AAA games made by Sony had a 3years windows (and +) between reveal and release.

[Mr_Writer85]

@pete

Apple's and Oranges my good man, phones don't need exclusive apps.

Three things are needed to make a successful console.

Games, price and graphics/hardware

The first two are much more important, look at the poll you posted (a tiny not even 1% of gamers so irrelevant anyway, but I'll humour you) exclusives and BC made up over 40% of the vote.

Price was second.

Lets look at the PS4 Vs Xbox

Cheaper, yup

Games, certainly more desirable games as if we look at sales they do very well indeed, and in reviews.

Hardware, for the most part of this gen yes.

Now let's look at the Switch Vs XBox

Price, yup launched much cheaper than Xbox

Games, again their first party games sell very well indeed.

Hardware, let's be real the X1 shits on Switch, and the X1X shits in the Switches mouth in terms of hardware.

And yet all the analysis data has Switch overtaking Xbox, despite a HUGE headstart over it.

So don't tell me exclusives don't matter, as the console with the least of them, has sold less than the other two that have more.

And that is pretty much a fact, it's not 100% as MS hide their sales numbers.

But when GamePass has only 10m subs that tells you all you need to know.

If Sony announced a game pass like service with day one first party games, I wouldn't be shocked if within days or the service going live it would have double if not triple that number of subs.

[rainslacker]

@Atom

Nope. Damned because they haven't. I've spelled out my reasons quite clearly about why I'm disappointed in MS, and if Spencer wants to be the figurehead, I'll aim my disappointment at him....especially since I decided to finally get an Xbox because I thought he'd do good. Maybe I just jumped in too early, but I don't think it's on me to buy yet another console to finally get what I was hoping for from Spencer's early PR.

To be clear....I have absolutely no problem with them showing games 2-3 years from launch. I was never one to worry about it, and I thought the entire criticism of Sony over doing it was completely stupid. But, I also thought Spencer saying he wasn't going to do that anymore was also completely stupid, but, I did notice that people seem to disregard that as one of his pandering moments, where he latched onto some popular criticism of Sony at the time to try and look good.

I don't have double standards for MS, I have the expectation for them to deliver as promised. I can understand the occassional back track or misconmmunication, but all that stuff seems to be a way of life with MS. I hold Sony to a much higher standard than I do MS, because at this point, I actually have higher expectations from them. The difference between the two is that Sony typically delivers on their promises, and hasn't left me disappointed with much this gen. Even the one thing I'm really critical about with them, their censorship stuff, I criticize, but don't apply it to their overall performance this gen.

@Pete

Yeah. But he didn't deliver on the one that matters to me. Which was give me some damn games for the system that I brought. It wasn't that complicated. I don't need a service. I don't need a cloud delivery system. I don't need smoke blown up my a** telling me they'll do better. I want him to fulfill the promise that he made back when he first took over. I want him to deliver on that excitement and hype that he brought when he took over. I wanted him to bring games. Not 6-7+ years later, into a new gen. I didn't want to have to buy another system to get the most out of MS.

Spencer failed at his original promise, and given where we're at, he doesn't have time to remedy that anymore. By the time he brings the games, People will have moved onto next gen.

My X1 purchase was a waste. You can be all excited for new things that are to come. I can appreciate what content they will bring. But I can't appreciate is this idea that I have to now cut MS a break, and ignore their performance and their handling of my expectations. While MS was going around trying to address all these random people on the internet, they didn't bother to provide for their current customers. All those supplimental featueres are great, but it isn't what i brought the system for.

Games. It's simple. And it shouldn't have taken years while he kept acting like everything was going great.

After all these years, the biggest criticism that Spencer faced was he wasn't bringing games. He didn't do that, so he didn't remedy the complaint. Doing it now, on the cusp of a new gen, even with this cross gen stuff, isn't remedying the criticism. And that's something that those trying to say he can't win would do well to understand. There is no way for him to remedy the criticism anymore. The best that can happen is that people move on, and maybe let him start with a clean slate.

Making a score in the last few minutes of the match, when your opponent is 10 points ahead, isn't exactly something to celebrate, nor do you ignore the poor performance from the rest of the match.

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Mr Writer85
"Apple's and Oranges my good man, phones don't need exclusive apps"
Thank you for just proving my point :)
why is it important for you that Sony has exclusives games just for Ps5?
Now just google iPhone vs android or exclusive apps for iPhone and you will see plenty of articles, memes, and ppl who want to justify their new iPhone 11 Max pro.
Enjoy. (and iPhone does have the best apps like Facetime).

@Rainslacker
I can feel your argument man, and as a hardcore gamer that buys multiples console, I can agree with that argument. There's not a lot of exclusive content for the Xbox1 and Phil didn't deliver big on new AAA experiences exclusive for the Xbox console.
Now I mainly games on PC (you can tks MS and Sony initial lack of BC for that) so I won't buy a serie X unless it's super cheap versus updating my PC.
But I will still probably get a Ps5 down the road because I love Uncharted and God of War.
And ill add that if it wasn't for Gamepass, that I discovered last year, my Xbox would still be collecting dust next to my Wiiu (actually my Lil boy is using it).

But now, for one second, let's put our average gamers glasses on and it's a different story.
Is there now a reason to chose an Xbox1 vs Ps4 since 90% of the games are the same, they are both qualities products, similar price, etc. etc. etc. Yes and it's game pass
So yeah, in my opinion, Phil did turn things around for the xbox brand and salvaged the best out of one the worst console launch in history.

So quick conclusion: I agree with your feeling of deception regarding your personal experience with Xbox
but I still believe that for the average gamers (that mostly 90%) Phil Spencer did a great job.

How about adding me on Ps4/Xbox/Steam PeteBloodyonion and we can talk old games while playing one :)
See you next bickering :)

[rainslacker]

You think the average gamer is going to be impressed with what was shown with Halo? The average gamer is going to be impressed with those artsy games? The average consumer is going to be impressed with mid-tier non-action style games? The average gamer is going to be impressed with games that look like they're made with the family in mind...even if they're not family oriented(Grounded for instance).

I can put on the average gamer glasses easily enough, but my view of the average gamer is that they buy Madden or FIFA, and are attracted to things they know. MS didn't have enough of things people know, or if they are known, they aren't things that have attracted the average gamer before, or have fallen in their appeal over the years.

Its the big mega games which attract people's attention. MS doesn't have enough of those that they showed. Some big looking games like Crossfire or Avowed aren't what MS needs. What MS needs is something that was what Halo or Gears once was. Something new and fresh that gets people's attention, or shows itself in a big way that can't be ignored. Showing a pissed off girl screaming to some heavy metal dub step isn't going to attract the average gamer, especeially since the average gamer doesn't know who that girl is, nor does the average gamer care about what that game achieved in it's first go around.

This is what people have talked about for so long. MS focuses too much on Halo, Gears, and Forza. Now they're throwing Fable back in the mix. But MS has put all it's eggs into that basket for their big titles, and haven't grown their user base or expectations of quality among their user base enough to build the hype for new games. Because of this, focusing in on prior success without expanding at the same time has led them to not be noticed.

This is how the average gamer thinks. The average gamer isn't on these forums knowing everything that MS is doing. They aren't going to sit there and think, "Oh, well MS is going to have all these games down the line, so maybe it's worth investing". No, the average gamer sees a game they want, and if that draw is enough, buys the console to play it.

At this point in time, MS would be better off trying to get Madden AND FIFA marketing rights, and hoping for the best, because if they are trying to attract the average gamer, that would be the best way to do it.

None of this makes the XSX a more viable choice over the PS4 for the average consumer, and on top of that, the average consumer isn't one single minded group of people.

The thing that Sony does, and has done since it first started, was appeal to a broad group of consumers. Every group that existed pretty much had something they could enjoy on the PS. MS, they haven't done this. Yes, they're starting to do this more, but they're still lacking in some areas. Sony caters to these groups, and where they don't have something to offer, they have 3rd party to fill in the gaps. Ms is woefully lacking in this area in some places.

MS can still do well with what they have, but if you want to talk about the general consumer, Sony still has the advantage, and a big part of that is their performance this gen, as they grabbed a lot of those average consumers, then provided them with games that they'd come to want more of. That is going to be a big factor for next gen. MS hasn't done anything to build that kind of relationship with their consumers, just talked up a good game to those that would listen.

[Mr_Writer85]

@pete

"Thank you for just proving my point :)"

You're inability to read is shocking.

[Baza]

I would agree. Fable is at least 2 yrs out. They flip Forzas around pretty quick so that might be a little sooner

[dumahim]

Phil said Forza is in early development still. That sounds like a 2022 game to me.It kind of makes sense, because Playground can then focus on Fable instead of Forza Horizon.

[NeoGamer232]

And how many of the games in Sony's showcase are coming out in the next year?

Both shows were disappointing. Shows that there are very few games for next gen console launch. Don't see any reason to jump on either console. The highlight reel this year looks like Halo Infinite and Spider-Man. I'm not going to spend $500 to buy a new console to play either game.

[porkChop]

No. They said "one or two years", not the next few years.

[crazyCoconuts]

Ok, couple

[DJStotty]

@crazy

No, no they did not. That is a lie, they said over the next year, two years.

A year is 12 months, we are 6 months now after Matt made the comment.

[crazyCoconuts]

Sorry, I should have said "couple" of years.
And regarding when he said it, I think the clock starts ticking when the console releases, as in, the next two years after release. It doesn't really make sense to start counting now, the console isn't out yet. Just my interpretation

[DJStotty]

No lol, you can't reference a comment someone made, and then start the clock when you like.

He stated at the time in the next year, two years. So you start the clock when he made the comment.

The facts are :-

Some games will launch on xbox one and series x.

From mid/late 2021 onwards, they will be Series X only. 18 months after the comment. So no promises broken.

[RosweeSon]

They said Kinect was for life not just for launch, my point is talk is cheap and they talk a lot. Just because they’ve said something doesn’t mean they’ll stick to it. I’m waiting this one out.

[dumahim]

Yep. Forza in early development? Sounds like late 2022.

[Antifan]

MS is chasing the Steam crowd. Bad idea.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

So the real next gen for xbox will not be ready for years to come?

What were they doing the last three or four years? They didn't launch that many exclusives then, one would have hoped they were getting ready for next gen at least.

[phoenixwing]

well that's at least some good news for me. now when fable releases it can tax my pc instead of running like butter and looking crappy.

[RamRod88]

Look at the games from a 1st party perspective that are cross-gen. Halo Infinite, Psychonauts 2, Grounded, Flight Sim, Gears Tactics, and maybe 1 or 2 others. These games were clearly planned with Xbox one in mind when they started development.

1st party games like; Forza Motorsport 8, Fable, Avowed, Everwild, State of Decay 3, and Hellblade 2 with be next gen only because that is what the developer wants to focus on. Now we can put to rest the whole, XSX doesn't have any next gen only games.

[Mr Logic]

Good, leave the 8th gen behind. But I don't understand what that means for the timeline. Phil said Turn 10 is in early development. So what have they been doing since 2017? Also Fable was rumored to enter development years ago and we still won't be seeing it for 18+ months?

[TGGJustin]

Fable didn't enter development years ago. Playground Games started opening a new studio and hiring for a new team years ago. You have to build a team before you can ever start making your game. They were still a small team last year. I don't know why anyone thought Fable was coming anytime soon. It's been obvious to me.

[derektweed1]

Turn 10 decided to overhaul Forza Motorsport 7 in 2019, so the didn't start development of Forza Motorsport 8 until recently, I assume.

[Hakuoro]

No, because this was all just more double talk. It wasn't Sony fans who said the games were all going to be cross gen it was Micrsoft who said that. Now when that backfired and Sony's plan to move fully to next gen was more popular they are removing the cross gen from games that were going to be cross gen.

It's just double talk and back peddling

From the article:

"For a moment, it did seem like maybe the title cards were incorrect, because shortly after publication of this story, we saw that Avowed’s new website does include a mention of the Xbox One, as does a project page that mentions As Dusk Falls, and a site for Everwild.

But then, Greenberg replied to a question by Kotaku’s Stephen Totilo to say that the websites would soon be updated — suggesting that it was the websites, not the presentation, that was wrong.

Sure enough, as of 7PM ET, the Avowed and Everwild websites no longer list Xbox One. Clearly, Microsoft no longer wants to promise that its first wave of first-party games will actually make their way to earlier Xbox One consoles."

Here you see where they pulled the old switch'a'roo.

[gamer7804]

Do you have screenshots? Curious

[crazyCoconuts]

Wow. Classy. Maybe if they don't sell many XSXs they'll put X1 back on the table.

[Profchaos]

I can see the games being delayed by two years purely because of that promise

[StoneyYoshi]

Yeah, but it would be nice to know more about other if any 1st party launch titles over games that aren't coming out for 2+ years.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

MS: We want games cross gen for a year or 2.

Developers: Yeah... About that

Seems like not even the devs are on board with their idea. Interesting enough Phil can't force them since they have freedom.

[Hakuoro]

Have you actually read any of the articles? Microsoft had games that were cross gen that they switched to be next gen only.

Microsoft tried to use PR to make themselves look "consumer friendly" and Sony not, but that backfired so now they are trying to walk back an unpopular decision they made.

This was Microsoft's decision, there is no indication any developer feedback was involved.

[Profchaos]

Problem Nis those games that are next gen only are at least two years away. There's still no incentive to buy a xsx if you own a one X or a decent PC

[ColdSin]

woah now.... You can say all you want about the other cross-gen games, but don't lump Microsoft Simulator with them.

Microsoft Simulator truly looks next level.

[talocaca]

That didn't take long 🙄

[Masterchief_thegoat]

So far, I’m not liking Xbox direction for this and coming years to come. Ms is treating series x like Scorpio. Halo was big let down. (Graphics wise)
I’m not seeing next gen graphic. When a system is suppose to be stronger than his rivals. And the rival has better lineup this oct-nov 2020

[Masterchief_thegoat]

I know people is going say ms didn’t break the promise. Because they said 1 or 2 years from now. we are going to see series x exclusive only. This is telling me get ps5 first . Since ps5 lineup is much better

[StoneyYoshi]

Yeah, MS is basically using the "biggest console launch lineup" and deep pocketing 22 timed exclusives to distract from what they are lacking at launch. How many of the games that were shown were actually launch titles that don't launch before the series x is out.?

[StoneyYoshi]

@cwhit112

Console launch exclusive doesn't mean it's launching with the console. That just means it's launching on their consoles before they release on Sony.

But it's nice to see that MS is fooling people with how they label stuff still.

[chiefJohn117]

What's ps5 launch lineup?

[TheHateTheyGive]

it changes every day, phils a fake gamer, he talks out his a hole 99% of the time.

[TheColbertinator]

It that is the case, what comes out of his mouth? 🤔

[RgR]

Alright well that settles that. No Xbox purchase for me until the end of the next generation.

[Ristul]

Im thinking the same, get ps5 at luanch and then, when we start seeing the quality of games such as Fable, get the xsx.

[Deathdeliverer]

They are only breaking their promise if those games release in under 2 years from launch. I don’t think they will. They need to go ahead and push back Halo infinite. A bad game game that’s pushed back can be fixed. A bad game that’s released is bad forever. Can’t say it’s going to be bad already, but I can say it’s underwhelming as hell this far.

[rainslacker]

I think only if they're in the first year. They said 1-2 years, which means 1 is the minimum, but definitely after two years they'll start with exclusive next gen games.

Granted, the whole comment seemed rather off the cuff and not really planned or thought out that well, so maybe it was just one of those vague promises that don't mean anything. Basically, what we call MS marketing.

[yomfweeee]

He said "couple of years" in his article just last week.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

[autobotdan]

They lied to me??! How dare they!

[Hakuoro]

Are you actually defending them lying to you?

[kayoss]

Then why even release a new console??? At this rate, they will have more consoles then they will have AAA exclusive games within a 5 year span.

[Melankolis]

MS's Xbox division always nervous during pre-launch.

[anast]

Of course they did. They could even put together 10 seconds of Halo game-play, Halo, on their new console. Now they are taking games off the xbone list and etc. Every gen after the 360 has been the same.

[tontontam0]

I thought sony's GT7 announcement was just to hype ps5, it had recorded gameplay and feels like it is ready to be released with the launch of ps5.

Now this forza trailer is a desperate attempt to hype the xbox series x.

[rainslacker]

Kind of an interesting turn of events really. But, despite how GT has gone this gen, it's still one of the most popular driving games in the world...by a wide margin. Doesn't matter if other games are better...which is arguable on many fronts, GT sells, and has a lot of respect among driving fans. It has it's own culture and community surrounding it that is much bigger than just the game, and bigger than the communities that surround other games in the same genre.

I was honestly surprised when they didn't put GT6 on PS4. But just chalked it up to them wanting driveclub to have it's own time to shine, as it was originally a launch title.

[RamRod88]

Everyone and their mama knew Forza 8 was going to be shown so I don't see how it was a desperate attempt. The only desperate attempt I see is your trying to make it seem that way.

[chiefJohn117]

Facts I'm over here laughing. They trying so hard

[dietis_h]

so what exactly did they show?
certainly not gameplay.

but please, continue to spin.

[RamRod88]

Did I say they would show gameplay? No. I said the game was gonna be shown( in some compasity or another.) Out of all the games at the showcase, Forza is really the only one I could go without seeing any gameplay and already know what it's about and how it plays.

[tontontam0]

I think that the "no first party exclusive for 2 years" PR stunt is another way of saying that "We started too late, first party exclusive next gen games are not yet ready."

[Melankolis]

Or..."we don't believe in generational console", is another way of saying "no first party exclusive for 2 years"

[Antifan]

BINGO

[medman]

What a disaster.

[Destiny1080]

if all they can rustle up is a cgi trailer, these games are at least 2 or 3 years out

i thought Phil was joking, that he had no next-gen games for two years, but hes not

the rumors are that fable is not a single player game, but a ten year live service game like halo infinite

[chiefJohn117]

Halo is single player and MP so what do you mean? You literally just made some shi up lol
I'm hoping Fable have MMO mode at least. been wanting that since 2. So if it a traditional Fable game add a MP mode with lobby rooms like a MMO. Or just go full blown MMO. With a option to go at it solo

[RamRod88]

The fable rumor is not even true so stop spreading lies.

[Knightofelemia]

I wasn't planning to play Fable or Forza on my XB1 that's what next gen means. Never played Forza and only time I'll play Fable on my XB1 is if it's backwards compatible. Even so games released for Series X then ported to XB1 might not go well you can only push a last gen console so far then the game ends up like crap like The Evil Within for PS3.

[TGGJustin]

How are they breaking it? They said the first year or two. Just about every game you saw today is 2022 or later. Forza, Hellblade 2, Fable, Everwild, State of Decay 3 etc are all years off. Many of them they said are early in development. That means years away, not a year. If you're expecting to play any of those games in 2021 you're going to be very disappointed.

[chiefJohn117]

Ignore it they doing this for reactions everyone knew Fable, Hellblade, etc was 2+ years off

[3-4-5]

* Phil said they were "Early on in development of the next Forza game"......= earliest we get it is Fall 2022

[TGGJustin]

Exactly. I swear some people think "early in development" means it will be out within a year. Just how when he said that about Hellblade 2 at The Game Awards you had people thinking it would be a launch title. I mean learn how game development works ffs. Games that are in an almost finished state usually still require 6+ months for QA/bug testing/balancing. Not to mention we have a pandemic right now slowing things down even more.

[Retroman]

I'm Not Surprised
This show was about Skip MS and buy PlayStation 5 we are Not ready yet....... thank you MS....Sony burnt your show without doing anything extra.

[jznrpg]

Wow . They were way worse than I expected . Largest launch lineup in history ? Damn they are still full of shit .

[Elda]

Well if those games aren't releasing until 2022 or later than they must be next gen produced games that'll only be playable on the XBSX & PC.

[XxExacutionerxX]

That Xbox game showcase was such a let down that I'm going into the PS5 camp this winter

[Petebloodyonion]

I love it when ppl don't take time to read statements and goes quickly into the usual Phil is lying type of bullshit.

1) Phil Spencer said that there wouldn't be a Serie X exclusives in years he didn't say that all game upcoming games would be compatible with Xbox 1 for several years but I repeat not exclusive to Serie X meaning playable on Windows 10.

2) regarding Xbox1, MS said that all games would be compatible for the next year or perhaps 2 and that is exactly when Forza and all other games are gonna come out.

And that brings me to a point I have said often Saying that Xbox 1 will Hold series vs Ps5 AAA games is pointless because Sony usually release the big guns 2 years after launch and also 2 years after initial gameplay reveal (not trailer reveal but gameplay reveal) so it will be at the same time that Xbox sX big games arrive

[Elda]

It seems most folks are not falling for or buying it.

[Petebloodyonion]

And that is why I don't buy a next-gen console in the 1st year because the majority of the games are quite playable on old hardware (or in my case PC).

I bought my PS4 when Uncharted 4 was around the corner with the Uncharted trilogy bundle (I really love Uncharted).
I bought My Xbox1 when they announce BC and I bought the MCCC editions with a copy of Rare Replay.

[Sunny_D]

Except we’re getting R&C, Horizon FWV and possibly GT7 within the first year.

[Petebloodyonion]

By all means, please, show me that the source of that hot info because there's no date or tentative date announce,
Now How about we look at Sony's track record time between announcement and release date and Il just go by latest release to older title so you won't be able to say I only pick the one I want.
- Ghost of Tsushima: Oct 2017 - july 2020
- Tlou2: dec 2016 - July 2020
- Dreams june 2015-feb 2020
- MLB the show 2019 - 2020
- Concrete Genie oct 2017- oct 2019

Do you want me to continue with Days Gone, Uncharted 4, GOD of War?

[porkChop]

They actually said "over the next one or two years". They never guaranteed it would be a two year period. Plus, they didn't provide any sort of release window for these games, not even a year. So no, they aren't breaking that promise.

But even if they were, people have veen bitching about that decision since they announced it. So why would it even be a problem?

[RazzerRedux]

No, that is not breaking any promises. That is making empty promises. Saying all the games made within a time period will be cross gen while knowing full well that you have no plans to release games during that time period is just empty PR bullshit. Microsoft needs to come clean and say for certain which first party games are coming to Xbox One over the next year or two.

"But even if they were, people have veen bitching about that decision since they announced it. So why would it even be a problem?"

lol....what? Breaking their commitment is ok if that commitment doesn't have unanimous support? Wow.

[porkChop]

They did say which games are coming to Xbox One if you watched the event. They listed the platforms for each game.

[RazzerRedux]

"They did say which games are coming to Xbox One if you watched the event. They listed the platforms for each game."

Sure, but the issue is first party games and which ones are coming to Xbox One.

"Microsoft has updated the Everwild and Avowed webpages to remove any reference to them being playable on Xbox One.

Microsoft declined to comment in response to a follow-up request by Kotaku to explain what’s going on. "
https://kotaku.com/microsof...

[_dangerclose_]

Won't be the last. MS flip flops harder than a fish out of water.

[PlayStation47]

This really sucks! I have always favor Sony because of their exclusive games. They are awesome. I was really pissed this current generation Microsoft had pretty much nothing! If they would have competed, horizon 2 would have came out on PS4. Here is another generation coming up where Sony will space out their exclusive’s and not feeling compelled to have a bunch of great PS5 games with a strict deadline. I was so hopeful that Microsoft had at least 3 new games playable on Xbox series X and making you wanting to buy their system. Halo was the biggest disappointment looked on par with Xbox 360 graphics yet they said it was running on PC. You have this 12 Teraflop GDDR 6 console with no single gameplay demo running in engine. I think Forza Motorsport looked great along with Fable. Also Rare’s new game and remedy game looked good as well. How can Forza Motorsport still be early in development? Pitiful Forza 7 was their last game. I was was really considering buying this console at launch. I said to myself this maybe the v

[PlayStation47]

Sorry didn’t finish I said to myself this maybe the very last time Halo comes out with a new console at launch. Brought back warm memories buying Xbox with Halo back in 2001 at Circuit City before they became HH Gregg

[the_dark_one]

And what the hell happened to the 4k120 fps?? Oh right only for older games. If any one really think there is going to be a big difference between the two next gen console, boy they are in for a rude awakening

[TheColbertinator]

Yup should have known

[jwillj2k4]

You should be scared of the model Microsoft is going with where bottom line rules over all, hardcore gamers are second class citizens and growth by market share (not quality) come first. If it proves out then the gaming industry is headed for the dark ages.

[Spicyram]

F

[Tedakin]

This is a lie. They only said the first year or 2. I noticed most of the games they showed today didn't have the Xbox One logo at the bottom. If Hellblade and Forza and the rest come out after the first 12 months, they did not break any promise.

[lonewolf10]

What release date is attached to those games, mmm mmm?

[Tedakin]

None, which is why this article is anti-MS bs as you usually see on this site.

[Emme]

Well, let me put it this way: You can put a singleplayer game or a huge IP on next gen only (something not even CoD or Battlefield did) and hope it sells fast, but something like Everwild that is depending on a large user base ? I doubt SeriesX sells 5 million first year, so making Everwild not available on Xbox One is risqué.

[Fantangoooo]

Weird how all this complaints isn’t coming from Xbox fans ... hmm I wonder why 🤔

[Tedakin]

Because MS didn't break a promise. They said the first year or 2... none of these games are coming out in the first year....

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Don’t get confused with the terms “console launch exclusives” and “launch titles”. One is launching with the XsX whenever it launches, and the other is also coming to PS5 after a year or so.

[TheBrit]

Semi sold just for fable but GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I wanted to see a Mech. Halo was a little strange though - I appreciate the old school halo graphics for some reason but, I really thought they would bring bling bling and not just grappling hook gadgets. Oh well, I will probably get the system anyway even though I rarely play now - once a beta tester always a beta tester I guess. Have always owned an xbox.

[Father__Merrin]

xbox under matrick was miles better even with the kinect media show that they did he still would have turned it around into a great core console. spencer has messed it for everyone yet ppl still follow him like a messiah

[lonewolf10]

Sure

[gold_drake]

MS is lipping around in their business practices that it makes me dizzy

[lonewolf10]

Nope.

[dietis_h]

yes.

[DRambo]

I can sense the end of console gaming for XBox. I think Microsoft will lose patience soon and gradually wind it down over the next few years.

[DJStotty]

I have been saying all along, Microsoft did not promise all first party titles are coming to xbox one. Not one promise has been broken, and this article is pure fanboy clickbait. They (Matt booty) said the following :-

"As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains. “We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we’re committed to them with content.”

This was said in January 2020. So the games mentioned as not coming to xbox one are obviously not launch titles and will release in 2021. Matt Booty only said and i quote "As our content comes out over the next year, two years", nowhere have he or Microsoft stated anywhere that games will come to the xbox one for the next 24 months minimum.

"if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X]" 9 month window for his comment.

That is just fanboy bait taking a comment made 5 months ago out of context.

I called that not all games would come to xbox one, and xbox series x would have exclusives, and got downvoted to the max.

[RazzerRedux]

Phil Spencer renewed that pledge just last week:

"You won’t be forced into the next generation. We want every Xbox player to play all the new games from Xbox Game Studios. That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One. We won’t force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives.”

So no, you can't go back to January and start the clock there. Couple of years means two. So from last week, count two years. No first party XSX exclusives until July 2022 at the earliest.

[DJStotty]

"We won’t force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives.”

I rest my case "at launch"

"That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Again, lets take it out of context like everyone is doing.

The true meaning, games they release in the next couple of years, meaning from now, today, 24th July 2020, until 24th July 2022, will play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox one. How do you get "No first party XSX exclusives until July 2022 at the earliest." from that? He doesn't say games will play on both.

[RazzerRedux]

"We won’t force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives.”

lol...that was an obvious jab at Sony so no idea what "case" you think you made. The follow up clearly states that commitment goes well beyond "launch" and you know it.

"The true meaning, games they release in the next couple of years, meaning from now, today, 24th July 2020, until 24th July 2022, will play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox one. How do you get "No first party XSX exclusives until July 2022 at the earliest." from that? He doesn't say games will play on both"

Are you serious? lol....saying the games will play on "Xbox Series X and Xbox one" literally means the games "will play on both".

[DJStotty]

No one is forcing anyone to upgrade, Sony or Microsoft.

I wasn't trying to make a case, just stating facts.

They have not stated all games will play on BOTH consoles at all, that is made up fud. Hence why they specifically reference Halo Infinite. You know as well as everyone else, they never promised to release all 1st party on both consoles for the next 2 years.

Have a look at this, 9 games out of 22 shown have no release date, the rest are 2020/21. So they still have not broken the promise.

https://gamerant.com/game-p...

Medium and scorn are most probably 2021 and are not on the xbox one.

[RazzerRedux]

"You know as well as everyone else, they never promised to release all 1st party on both consoles for the next 2 years."

I'm going to quote this yet again and include your words.

"That’s why Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years—like Halo Infinite—will be available and play great on Xbox Series X and Xbox One."

Xbox Game Studios titles ("all 1st party").
Next Couple of years ("next 2 years").
On Xbox Series X AND Xbox One ("on both consoles").

"Have a look at this, 9 games out of 22 shown have no release date, the rest are 2020/21. So they still have not broken the promise."

Yeah....that just means it was a bullshit promise to begin with.

[DJStotty]

They did not say all xbox game studios titles though did they?

And i stand by the fact that games that did not include xbox one in the boxart, will be released in 2022.

So no promise broken, i do not know why people are trying to make this into something it is not.

[RazzerRedux]

"They did not say all xbox game studios titles though did they?"

Third time: "Xbox Game Studios titles we release in the next couple of years".

No, you are not going to spin that as meaning "some" not "all".

"And i stand by the fact that games that did not include xbox one in the boxart, will be released in 2022."

What about the games where Xbox One was listed as a platform but then were irreverently removed? Nah....you'll try to think of an excuse for that too, won't you?

"So no promise broken"

Empty promises in the first place and they should be criticized for their misleading bullshit PR tactics.

[GordyNYC]

They failed to show any games that take advantage of what’s new in their box. Sony showed how the new tech influences game design.

[DJStotty]

You can not break a promise that was never made.

The games that do not say xbox one, will release in 2022. Not hard to grasp.

[FanboysKiller]

It happens from a technical standpoint, when leaders of the xbox team had vision for making a consumer friendly decisions but later on just didn't work for them.

[Npugz7]

No need to but a series x for about 2 years

[purple101]

It's officially over for xbox I believe.

Halo needed to be gangbusters good. Get me excited. And it totally did the opposite,

Over.

[chiefJohn117]

-_- people are really this slow? How did this even get approved?
Edit: yup ppl are that slow lol I tried to tell y'all but you wouldn't listen. You'll try so hard to hate you don't use common sense. Suddenly the 1st year of games not being exclusives (which they never said all in the first place) suddenly became no exclusives at all in your heads, now y'all mad there will be exclusives 😆 common sense is not so common anymore. And it's known ps fanboys that mad lmao gotta love n4g

[S2Killinit]

MS will say whatever at any particular time as long as it gives the right impression. Anyone who follows them and doesnt see this, will probably never see it.

[neomahi]

Okay, so Microsoft's presentation yesterday sucked horribly. They had a second chance to show the world what 12 teraflops meant and they blew it. Sony calmly and casually "walks on stage" and blows the world away without much effort and Microsoft shot themselves in the foot twice. Microsoft is in big trouble.

But in your first paragraph, you blew it, you said the word PROBABLY, and with that I was done reading. I'm not wasting my time further reading your article that your credibility was shot after the first paragraph.

[Einhander1971]

I see and like the whole Enhanced games on XSX. But unfortunately most gamers won't shell out 400 quid or more just to play Gears 4,5 slightly Enhanced.

[BillyG0AT]

I really hope they do break that promise. They won't though because looking at the way things are going, they want to sell you a monthly game pass sub more than a series x.

[jonesmiller04101]

I think Sony has managed to win me over.

[rlow1]

Either they did or didn't. But you should keep open mind. Despite what the fanboys are saying. MS did show some promising games.

[L7CHAPEL]

oh look another thread so full of Sony Fanboys it might as well have a PlayStation logo on it,
much like this website.

[rlow1]

Your right on that, they've apparently having nothing better to harp on. This is a pure speculative article that provides no facts what so ever. Lol

[FPS_D3TH]

Honestly staying in last gen is going to hurt them more. Just look at the state of Halo Infinite. And they want to support that game for several years? Yikes

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

But, but Phil said...

[agnosticgamer]

lol.. First everyone attacks them because this will "hold" the games back and praises Sony PS5 non-backcompat. Team Xbox shifted... Only for first party allowing them to decide if the game could be done on both generation systems or target only the Series X... Then gets attacked again... lol... just a bunch of fanboy hypocrites. If you ever looked at that announcement that for the first couple years... and the state of where most of their AAA games were only a handful of the AAA games would land on both systems. They really didn't lie. It was never the intention to support it forver and from day one they gave 3rd parties the greenlight to make Series X Exclusives.

[pornflakes]

This topic is completely under sonys slaves control.... Well like twitch / FB and all other forums around the world. Looks like they have nothing else to do after beating their 15h omg/goty/best/perfect single player games.

[lazyboyblue]

That PS show is looking pretty sweet now.

[blacktiger]

smart delivery, what's next smart download?

[FlameWater]

This is way to pathetic to even laugh at