Halo Infinite 2 Won't Be Happening, Says 343 Industries

Don’t expect a Halo 7 – at least not through the traditional means.

[-Foxtrot]

I really don't know how to take that.

Sounds Destiny like...

[darthv72]

the next game may have a sub name as opposed to a number. Like halo: infinite is technically halo 6

[-Foxtrot]

Seems to me more like updating Infinite

"It’s really about creating Halo Infinite as the start of the next ten years for Halo and then building that as we go with our fans and community"

I mean they say this

"This does not mean that Halo Infinite is a live service game, a la Destiny. But it does mean that new story experiences will be told underneath Infinite’s umbrella, and it also means Infinite will be evolved technologically for quite a while"

But I don't know man...

[morganfell]

@Fox

Its GAAS. They can call it something different and maybe they will get away with it. Look at Req Packs. They are loot boxes with a different name and people have defended them and their practice. But at the end of the day they are loot boxes.

And look what Chris Lee said about that: "We’re still working through final plans and will share more when we are ready, but I can definitely say that Halo Infinite will not include real-money loot boxes."

Cagey language. What it means is you use real currency to buy game currency and that is how you purchase them. This really needs to end.

[rainslacker]

I kind of felt when this game was first announced, the title coule be interpreted that they wanted to just keep releasing content for this one game. Something that COD:infinite was wanting to do, and that had just released not long before.

I wouldn't doubt that MS would want to turn halo into a GaaS title that would help keep game pass subscribers engaged. There's nothing wrong with that really, but they cant rely on halo as their biggest incentive to sub to the service. Diversity is key for that, and to their credit, they can manage that with the acquisitions. What remains to be seen is if they will manage that.

[Rachel_Alucard]

I've heard companies say they don't have microtransactions, but they end up having them due to some technicality they abuse so they can claim they don't. I still recall Injustice 2 on the interview, the woman flat out asked the guy if there were any Microtransactions and he says "No there are no Microtransactions." Game comes out and they have this currency called source crystals you either earned extremely slow like not even worth grinding for slow, or you paid for them outright. Activision has been just adding them in a month after launch now to avoid the initial wave of attention. It's pure scum tactics like this is why people are congregating around a handful of games instead of spreading around to many like the old days.

[RpgSama]

Dude, the memes on halo infinite are insane, looks like a 360 game in parts, just go to twitter and search for halo infinite, what a disaster for your flagship 12tflop game.

[TommyVercetti88]

Go watch it again in 4K on a oled screen attention whore.

[JEECE]

It's also designed for Xbox One, and Halo has never been a graphical powerhouse, it's always been more about performance.

[RpgSama]

@TommyVetvetti88

"Go watch it again in 4K on a oled screen attention whore"

Wtf?!! Salty much?

[cooperdnizzle]

@tommy. Hahaha you Xbox fans are straight up crazy. No TV is gonna fix that horrible 360 looking game. Texture pop in, horrible animation like terrible. The grass has no dynamics to it what so ever, no foliage nothing. Facial animation are far behind what’s already been achieved. Check this out go back and watch the dudes hair... it has no movement or activity at all. It looks like a piece of plastic strapped to his head.

You Xbox fans have to eat your own words and hype on this one. That was a terrible show from start to finish.

[ForwardDude]

@TommyVercetti88 LG C9 owner here. The textures of the mountain looked atrocious in the 4k trailer, there was obvious popin during the elevator part and the game looked like a remake in 4k of Halo 1 in general. Sorry, but Ratchet and Clank PS5 gameplay looked leagues ahead in 4k on my LG C9 OLED TV compared to Halo Infinite gameplay in 4k.

[Unspoken]

These guys couldn't see the difference on an 8K 82" QLED. Ratchet and clank lmao, this goes to show these boys are here for the tweet.

[RazzerRedux]

I saw nothing that looked like a 360 game. That's just hyperbole.

[JonTheGod]

Nice cloud pop-in at 7:06 on the livestream. 😁

[conanlifts]

Some parts look amazing, other parts were terrible. The game play showcase for infinite was boring for me. My favourite bit was state of decay 3, just hope they add a decent story campaign this time. Overall though it was very disappointing.

[Noskypeno]

The shorter gameplay trailer has more details. The 8 minute demo is apparently from an earlier unpolished build. I'm hoping for a reverse Ubisoft.

[JEECE]

It does. Although you can't fault them for wanting Destiny's level of success.

[phoenixwing]

I brought this up the other day that they could make a halo mmo. which might also explain why the graphics took a big hit....

[Tacoboto]

Halo 5 was updated for a full year with free content and maps, plus the One X update. Warzone content, maps and whatnot. If they do story-based enhancements, yeah... That'll be new and I'm curious about the monetization of that.

And how the multiplayer in general will be treated. No-real-money loot boxes, and a Day One Game Pass title... zero mention today. Rumors of a F2P multiplayer mode. What'll give?

I'll gladly deal with getting ugly armor unlocks if it means the premium stuff is only cosmetic.

[Xb1ps4]

I know how to take it... it pains me to say I will most likely play it on one x, this was supposed to be a mic drop moment and they failed.. I can’t see my self dropping another several hundred dollars on another ms console just to keep waiting on the games..

Ps5 day one and maybe the x like 2 or 3 yrs later.. maybe by then they’ll get there shit together but at this point I couldn’t care less..

[RaidenBlack]

Halo: Windows 10

[stuna1]

This sound like a Sea of Thieves model!? Which in so many aspect adds validity to the gamepass model going forward.

[Father__Merrin]

343 will be breaking off. Halo infinite will be a destiny clone

[King_Noctis]

How is it a Destiny clone?

[TheEnigma313]

GaaS

[Ashunderfire86]

Yea because the gameplay showing was bland as hell!!! You can even see all the texture popins from a distance! Last of Us 2 right now is being compared to this gameplay footage lol!!! Microsoft failed hard with this Xbox Showcase that didn't show anything what the Series X is capable of! I truly feel sorry for Xbox fans Microsoft let them down with this event! Too many short trailers and CGi trailers with only 5% percent gameplay!!!! Halo Infinite was suppose to grab our attention in a very big way with that classic theme song that would have brought tears in my eyes of all the memories I had with Halo Combat Evolved back in 2001!!! I wanted that moment so bad now in 2020! And I am shockingly dissappointed by what I saw! And don't get me started on that Fable CGI trailer smh!!!

[Tacoboto]

I'm not gonna be that bullish on Halo's graphics yet (the grass pop-in outside the Pelican especially, yikes). TLOU2 is very special and is an absolute standout even amongst the best from high-end PCs, while running at 1440p 30fps.

We haven't seen any gameplay from Spider-Man PS5 yet, only some in-engine snippets; we've only really seen a Ratchet demo and Astro, both with cartoony stylistic graphics.

I personally don't feel let down at all. We finally got real gameplay, with those textures no one can dispute that :P If it launches with that pop-in though... what a horrible throwback to unpausing Halo 2

[Ashunderfire86]

I had to respond to this with great criticism, because all these Xbox Youtubers and Microsoft brag so much about power this and that with 12 Tflops over PS5 10Tflops! And How Phil Spencer talks about how he is super confident in the choices they made with the Series X with higher framerate, ray tracing, and the most powerful console! If they going to make all these claims they got to prove it brother! Halo was their baby that should have demonstrated that man!!! I wanted to have that same excitement I had with Halo, 1, 2, and 3 with that Halo theme music that would brought tears to my eyes! Tears of joy! The memories I had playing this game with my brothers and friends! An even Halo 5 multiplayer was the best in the series. Microsoft need to go back to the drawing board patch this game and give us a better footage before fall release. Its embrassing that Cyberpunk 2077 and even Dying Light 2 for last gen looks better than many of the Series X first party games shown during this event! That is bad dude.

Microsoft can't just rely on gamepass alone to win, they got to win the market share and they keep on failing everytime! This one is going to be a tough sale when you have PS5 that had a better showcase.

[Tacoboto]

Evaluate this game like you should evaluate every single game - after it's released. We whined and moaned about the lack of gameplay - we got gameplay with a start menu even.

Yes, the reveal could've been better, but where's the frame of reference? We haven't seen anything of Sony's launch titles yet beyond a controller-demo for Astro, and that's a free pack-in. Let's treat both companies equally here.

[TommyVercetti88]

That Ratchet demo was very nice but not purrfect when they switch to interdimensional rifts you could see lag there.

[majiebeast]

Im glad 343 gave a homage to Harambe.

[moriarty1889]

always wondered if the Infinite name implied an online Destiny type Halo from here on out. Basically an online only Halo with the campagin needing an internet connection like Destiny.

[IRetrouk]

"343 confirmed that Infinite will get a free raytracing update sometime after launch."

I thought it was being built on series x and ported down? Why do they need to add raytracing after🤔

[Tacoboto]

Ray Tracing is a huge hit to performance on a game targeting 60fps for every platform; they want to focus and optimize the game first for the 90% of people that are not going to have RT capabilities, in the final months of their first product on a brand new engine that's not yet had a release.

And... We're complaining about free post-launch technology updates already?

[IRetrouk]

I understand the cost of raytracing, that takes nothing away from my statements.

So being surprised by something and questioning it is complaining now?

[Tacoboto]

"Have we not seen plenty of other games using raytracing? The games been in development for years, it's out in 4 months time, I was told by users it was built to take advantage of the series x features and then ported down, just doesn't seem that way to me"

Yes, that sounds like complaining. "They told me it would have something the developers never mentioned in the first place!"

[IRetrouk]

Again how is questioning something that was said complaining?
It wasnt just users saying games would take full advantage of the series x features

https://www.reddit.com/r/Xb...

Not sure why me questioning this bothers you so much🤷‍♂️

[RazzerRedux]

"they want to focus and optimize the game first for the 90% of people that are not going to have RT capabilities"

Which conflicts with what IRetrouk said about it "being built on series x and ported down". Thus, his question. That's not "complaining". It is question. Why does his question upset you?

[Tacoboto]

Because he's complaining about a feature coming later that Microsoft never promised for the title or even referenced for Halo Infinite until today.

I get questioning something that was confirmed, but again - this was not once promised for Halo Infinite until a few hours ago.

[IRetrouk]

No you simply dont understand my question, it was said by many, including microsoft, that halo would be built for the series x and its features to take full advantage of it and then ported down, one of the series xs many features is built in hardware raytracing, why wouldnt I expect something built into the system? And why cant I question its exclusion? Wasnt even my main point....

So again it doesnt seem to me that the game has been built for the series x and ported down at all(which was my point).

[Tacoboto]

Every game has to take advantage of every feature of the hardware starting on Day 0 or it's obviously built for Xbox One first?

That's silly. If the multiplayer doesn't have 120fps that's another sign right?

[IRetrouk]

No, and that wasnt what I said or asked, but now that you mention it, It seems to have no next gen features at all, after all the optimized talk it seems to lack any of it🤷‍♂️ raytracing was just the biggest omission for me personally. I'm still not sure why you are so triggered by my questions though, it was a poor showing for halo and the sx overall, blame ms, not me.

[Tacoboto]

I've thought about this over night and I totally concede.

Regardless of what the lead platform is, y'all win - I disagree that RT needs to be there to demonstrate lead platform, but there needs to be *some* lighting effects in this demo. There aren't any! Halo 5 has better lighting on One X.

[rainslacker]

It was built for x1 this gen. They're just adding things in to make it enhanced for next gen. There was no porting down. Like almost all cross gen games, this appears to be more of a quick port for nee consoles.

[IRetrouk]

I said the same thing, got told I was wrong by more than one user, it wasnt just users saying this stuff though, check my link above.

[rainslacker]

I've said this on countless occassions, even on the day they announced it as a launch title for XSX, and made it known it was still releasing on OGX1(which was before their admission of no 1st party XSX exclusives).

While most people didn't argue about it, there were a few people who most definately did.

What's going to be more interesting is the thing where I said that Halo:Infinite may be a GaaS game, based on the name, and then I got reprimanded by these same few people, or even had the hypocrisy debate about how I was wrong there, and I freely admitted that I was, and yet today, it also came out that this game had a long term plan for it's content release.

From the 343 studio head

"“Halo Infinite is the start of our platform for the future,” he said. “We want Infinite to grow over time, versus going to those numbered titles and having all that segmentation that we had before. It’s really about creating Halo Infinite as the start of the next ten years for Halo and then building that as we go with our fans and community.”

so, remove all the PR fluff, and you get a GaaS game.

Wonder how that conversation will go down. I'm reluctant to mention it to certain individuals, because I think their necks might snap from how fast they will have to spin it back around to how they were right all the time, and how MS is brilliant for thinking it up.

It's an interesting series of events. Bungie leaves MS to make something besides Halo. Makes what is essentially Halo without the charm, as a GaaS. MS then goes and makes Halo as a GaaS game, but hopefully it will have the charm of Halo...although the trailer seemed kind of weak on showcasing this. I will admit though, my knowledge of the overall game's lore is limited, but I do like a lot of the supplimental stuff that exist within the universe.

Welcome to the episodic world of Halo....tailored to promote game pass. yes, MS has finally changed from using services/consoles to sell games, to using games to sell services. Unfortunately, it's not in the way most people were talking about for years now.

[IRetrouk]

It does seem to suggest something along those lines, services seem to be ms main goal at the minute, not sure how it's going to turn out yet, best we can do is wait and see.

[rainslacker]

I've long said the end result of things like game pass can not be measured in the short term. Even in the long term, it's not going to be slow progressions until one day we look back and wonder how it all came to be. It'll be incremental moves followed by stages of adjustment. A lot of this will be because of the production cycle itself not lending itself to quicker movement towards an overall goal.

But, MS itself has said in different ways they want to move this way, and while I think it's not the death knell of traditional game releases or distribution, it does paint a different future for MS itself. This isn't really a bad thing in and of itself, as MS is free to go wherever they want to go, and the market will change, or people can go elsewhere. But since for the time being it's only being looked at in the short term, it means that any discussion on the topic ends up being people trying to prove the other wrong using short term data or results.

[IRetrouk]

Fair points, it's not something I have really thought about to be honest, as long as it all remains an option I'm ok, dont want it to be the only option though, I like the way I can consume video games right now, if it changes to much towards services I'll go elsewhere, for as long as I can lol.

[RazzerRedux]

So RT is going to be a "mode" that is added on? That's interesting.

[chronoforce]

So, 343 are embarking on a ten year journey...

[Hakuoro]

Flying a ship fueled by nickels and dimes.

[ColdSin]

343 needs to be closed. These guys are truly talentless. They need to get 343 devs replaced with their marketing team (because the marketing team seems to know what Halo fans actually wants).

[Hakuoro]

GAAS of course, not that everyone didn't already know...

Destiny Infinite will be a GAAS game as we all knew many of Microsoft game pass offerings would be. Microsoft needs to make up for the loss of day one sales and MTX and smaller games budgets are going to be how they do that.

We all knew it was coming now it's here.

[st_vex]

I don't even know if Halo will be Infinite.

[Charal]

Wow, what is that now? Gameplay demo is being harshly criticized for poor graphics and they go with this Gaas sh.t on top of it the same day ?

Are they tying to kill the Halo brand or something?

[ForwardDude]

Will we ever see a Halo game not made for Xbox One X ever then?

[FlavorLav01]

I’d bet. MS has moved on to the platform where games never end. Updates til death. Good luck with quality narratives and unnecessary bloating Xbox.

[AizenSosuke]

Sounds like a PSO to me maybe I might be wrong.

[Einhander1971]

Thank God for that.