Steve D. from Link-Cable writes: "If we act now, we can force game companies to bring their asking price back down. Let’s band together, say no to $70 games, and we might even get to save some money while we’re at it."
No we can't. Absurd article. Now run off an make your little petition at change.org, or better yet use the one at fatchance.org
Well by sitting back and doing nothing while these publishers still throw in Microtransactions, cutting content, basically all the scams they're currently doing is a huge cause for concern. Telling ppl to do nothing about it is just as bad as defending it. That 10$ doesn't mean anything to us the gamer. Come talk to me when we see games like The Last Of Us, Red Dead, Cyber Punk, Gears 5 on the regular from AAA's with the 10$ price hike. Games get discounted pretty quickly so I say just wait for that.
Because telling them to do something in the past has really worked out. Stop being naive. You act as if no one ever tried to buck these companies and I just plucked the idea about gamers having no will power out of thin air. What fantasy name did you give the country in which you live? It has nothing to do with telling people to do something. We could tell them to do something, plenty of us have in the past. What did that really accomplish? Not a thing. Good luck crusader. But it will not do you any good. You go ahead and wait. I'll be gaming.
There was a lot of vocal outcry o er those things. And many people said they wouldnt support it, or would boycott. But those people didnt add up to enough to make the publishers care, because they were making more money anyways. It takes a massive movement, or huge drop in sales to see any negative be remedied in a way that suggests we hold power as consumers. For the past couple decades I can only think of two instances where this actually happened. 1. X1 release drm. 2. Last star wars game after several outcries and low sales on games with loot boxes...which was also backed up with ongoing investigation by legislators so publishers were not trying to draw attention to themselves. It's hard to get enough people to care, or for there to be enough extenuating circumstances for there to be an effect on publishers greed.
Nice if you to just give in but I see what you're saying, if you're favorite game or genre is suddenly 70$ sitting back and waiting for a discount is asking too much for a eager gamer especially if it's a sports game fan. Besides Sony's event EA, MS Inside Xbox and the recently ubisoft event has shown us that they're still sticking to the same formula and franchises from 3rd party AAA's. Waiting for a discount to games to that we've played over and over just got much easier. There's is nothing SO FAR in 9th gen that's worthy of 70$. I know 9th gen hasn't started yet and we're yet to see true 9th gen gaming, but we are getting a heavy early glimpse of it. ACV is 30 across all platforms. Would you still buy it if they announce it'll be 70$?
You go play in fairy land and I'll deal with reality. Let's see who is right. You just do not understand gamers and the grand history of successful protests. Oh wait. When people like you think burger flippers in a temp job should get $15 an hour this is what you create. Want hi tech next gen? Pay or find a new hobby. Next stop, utopia.
What a load of non-sense, it's because of the players that the dark online only future Microsoft envisioned for XBone was avoided back in 2013. It's the players who have the power to make or break any game or system regardless of casuals because it's typically the "hardcore" who buy launch systems and they're usually well informed enough to know when they're getting ripped off.
Sales would have to tank for that to happen. Somehow, I dont see next gen early adopters holding off for price drops early in the gen, and by the time they might, or enough people might...which they still wouldnt...the price will be the new norm
You didn't answer my question of course you wouldn't. So living in a fantasy is waiting for a game to get discounted? Waiting a month after release for a game to get cheaper is fantasy? Are you so hyped up on energy drinks/mountain dew and Doritos waiting is a unrealistic and unreachable cause for you? Publishers love customers like you. No questioning researching or waiting for a preview/studying. Just shutting up obeying, complying and buying. I rather do the opposite. If a game looks like It's worth it after previews and good reviews I'll look into that 70$ purchase. If not I'm either passing or Waiting for a discount. But hey they can release a game like Anthem for 70$ and you'll be right there in line immediately with out questioning and ready to throw your 70$ they can always bet on you.
Its not fantasy land to wait on a discount. Its fantasy land to expect enough gamers to wait a month after the launch of a popular game. You are projecting your behavior onto everyone else's. They won't listen. You do what you want. But it won't matter because enough gamers will not wait. And it will tell publishers the $70 price tag is okay. Pick a different hill to die on because fighting this is a lost cause. The truly laughable part was this: " If a game looks like It's worth it after previews and good reviews I'll look into that 70$ purchase. " You just bought into the thing about which you were complaining. Who decides which game is worth it for everyone else? You want gamers to protest against something that you yourself just said you are willing to do FOR THE RIGHT GAME. There is a word for that. It starts with H and ends with YPOCRISY. Are you okay with the $70 price or not? Or are you only willing to hold the line against games that you do not care to pay the price? You want the world to protest against something that you just said you would cave to for the right game. Pfffttt...
In addendum, As I stated above, you are not the arbiter of value. Who is? The individual is for themselves. But overall? Its the market. The market decides. If the market supports $70 games, and believe me it will, the the market has said the value is there. It doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks. It doesn't matter if worthless critics says game such and such is a steaming pile. If gamers buy it in sufficient numbers then the market has spoken and your opinion, your angst, outside of your own Utopian wishes, is worth exactly nil.
Hypocrisy? No For a quality game, if the 70$ is actually felt. Go back to my first comment where I said give me the production of Red Dead, Cyber Punk The Last Of Us on the regular. Cutting out MTX then come talk to me about a 70$ game product. But if we're still doing the same BS as of now then the price hike is a joke and ppl will push back if we're still getting the same shallow 60$ experience, there's just no way gamers as a whole will be ok with that. No if course everyone won't "join the crusade" certainly not sports fans but to your original comment there is something we can do about it. It doesn't have to be a loss cause.
"No For a quality game, if the 70$ is actually felt. " Felt? So now it is about what YOU feel. Something you pick for yourself, the ability to feel value but you wish to deny to other people who feel that a game, not necessarily of AAA productions is worth $70. Maybe the subject matter is enough for them. You do not get to judge as to what they award worth. Well, you can judge it but your say so is worth $0.00 You are setting yourself up as the arbiter of value. It doesn't work that way. Gamers decide. For themselves. Most of them only need to see the next whatever. It is why you will never NEVER get them to do what YOU want. That's life. And it is a lost cause. You just refuse to acknowledge human nature and the nature of gamers specifically.
Now out of desperation you are apparently just making up crap to argue against. Where did I say all games of a certain price were worth it. I am telling you what will happen. Unlike you I am not stating what constitutes value because any definition I could generate would only apply to me. Why do you not comprehend gamers will not stop this because they lack will power. If, and it is if, but if companies raise the price gamers will get on board with it as soon as they see the first flashy trailer. They get hyped for EA trailers. A company with a history of repeated lies. They see game engine footage, not in game footage, but manipulated game engine footage and they forget the past and run out and buy the game. It sells millions. That is the control gamers have over their wallet. They are not that bright. Not anymore. Personally I do not care. I have the money and another $10 for a game or another $1000 a year on games I could care less. If I want it I buy it. The other reason I do not waste time caring is because I know getting upset over something if true, I repeat IF TRUE, neither you nor I cannot prevent and such caterwauling is a waste of time and effort. You come in here and say how evil this is...then say if the game was right you would pay the $70. That is you saying there are exceptions and you get to decide. You can't have it both ways. Either $70 is a bad price for a base game or its not. If it is not then the individual gets to decide for themselves, just like you get to decide for you, where there is value. You do not get to decide for anyone else and neither do they decide for you. There are $59 games not worth the price. Most of them. Where did I deny that? Nowhere. One of us is talking out of the side of their mouth and it isn't me. All I have tried to say from the beginning is if the companies want this they will get it because gamers will pay it. You can keep screaming on a forum if you want but it only demonstrates you do not comprehend the lack of cohesive willpower of the gaming community.
Well im not paying 69.99 for video games but trust and believe if the majority dont buy these games at 69.99 they will lower the price back down. Im not saying that will happen cause some people just wont care but if they did we could stop it. There isnt a good reason for the price hike but ultimately i think these companies will see a decrease in sales.
Decrease in sales? No they won't. Gaming is continuing to grow and expand. The new generation is coming for two major consoles, boundaries will be technically, in some cases, pushed, and people will pay to get that new experience. It will only grow and for most major AAA titles, this will be the norm if (and that is still an if) all of these rumors are indeed true. That remains to be seen and so we do not know if this price increase rumor is true. Games could be priced at $69. Or they could hold their current mark. Certainly titles that are getting advertised "free" next gen upgrades will only cost gamers the current price. And if they are not increased it won't be because company X heard the voice of the gamers. Instead its about strategy, marketing, timing, and profit.
Maybe we can't oppose the hike collectively, but we sure can individually. I gave up on the idea of being able to vote with my wallet when whale-backed microtransactions and the mobile game market became prominent. There's nothing gamers with a sense of value for money can do about that orgy of needless expense. I've refused to pay big money for AAA games for over 3 years now. A $10 retail hike won't make any difference to me. I've moved to PC, where prices fall quickly, and my backlog keeps me busy while I wait.
Yes we can...we simple dont buy the $70 games until the drop below $60...its easy. Devs will soon get the memo that we just aint biting and reduce games back down to its usual $60...simple. In the meantime though Game Pass is your friend. Thats where Ill be.
I just want to know why we dont do this with MTs and lootboxes. Ill take $10 price raise before I ever buy MT.
"You are setting yourself up as the arbiter of value. It doesn't work that way." I am? Umm if a game is gonna be 70$, 10$ more I kinda sorta want more from the product that validates that new found price, that's how it works. NBA2k 21 will "built from the ground up" for Next gen. lmao no it won't it'll just have stable frames slightly, quicker loading and better character models. That's not 70$ worthy when it'll be the same game over again. "Felt? So now it is about what YOU feel. Something you pick for yourself" Well Morgan go talk to Star Wars fans over Battlefront 1 and especially 2. How did their 60$ purchase go? It was a 60$ shallow over priced DLC and expansions mess, where half the games content was missing. Or the 2nd Star Wars where nearly half the games content was in loot boxes. Talk to them about how they "felt" about their 60$ purchase. Theyll give you a death stare so I'm not giving myself this golden standard that everyone should comply to what I want no it's common sense. They want to ask for 70$ then give me 70$ worth of content. Big AAA budgets where the games are freakin completed Putting everything in the game and unlocked in the game. Expansions and DLC can come after I finish or when had my fill of the 70$ experience.
I don't think you understand how capitalism works.
Morganfall I've basically agreed with you on everything since the start of Ps3! But I'm starting to think you've lost your marbles here 😂 th already make billions!! They really don't need to make games 70! Especially with game development getting easier and easier nowadays! And a recession going on worldwide! Sorry but if this happens all my games with be secondhand.
Agree. Human nature. Unless it is life or death people will never pull toghter. Little Timmy with moms or dads money will not care about some higher ideals or goal lol!. They will splash 100 plus on fortnight skins in a month. Time and time again has proven it. Example start of this gen. If Sony followed MS that would have been it for second hand games. It was not gamers. It was a corp
Sony knew what the players wanted for 8th gen because they asked them, the players definitely have a say by voting with their wallet.
@PSX-94 Yes and ofcourse gamers wanted none of what MS was aiming for however if Sony decided to go MS route do you honestly think gamers en masses would have boycotted both consoles when MS and in particular Sony started releasing their must have games?.
It would take gamers boycotting buying games to turn the tide......I honestly don't see that happening. Just like Metal Gear with everyone giving up the nukes. Ain't going to happen.
Wow look. At least one person here gets it and understands when some title that gamers really want shows up on the shelf they will cough up the cash one way or another. They will complain, they will say it isn't right, and in many cases they will tell people on a forum they didn't buy it...but then they did or will. It reminds me of everyone screaming how they hate Call of Duty (I don't) and then Call of Duty is the top selling game. Wet bread has more fortitude.
Lol, so true.
Raising the price will ultimately blow up in their faces.
I remember when everyone said they were going to boycott the horse armor, now look where we are. *sigh*
People did boycott horse armor. Then they used to the frog slow boil techniques.
Just like we stopped companies from abusing the microtransactions model, right?
People simply didn't care, y'all complain yet millions buy into them. So that's not the same. If ppl actually against something and show it by mass complaints and boycotts it will be reversed.
You think the same thing wouldnt happen with $70 games? You seem to have a lot of faith in the community...and even more in the general consumer. The times where vocal outcries have any effect are so exceedingly rare, that you can count them on one hand, and probably have more fingers left than you have counted.
Lol, good luck. Have you turned on the news lately? It's mindblowing how much power corporate America has. They wanna give themselves a raise, they're getting a raise.
A $70 dollar game today inflation adjusted was $50 in 2002
Games are actually 80-100 usd for the complete experience. Now they will be 90-110 usd.
Nope I wait a few years and buy the complete edition for less than $15. Plus that helps on pc to have the bugs worked out and hardware can run it better. On the rare occasion I'll buy a new game, can't remember the last $100 new game and season I bought.
Pretty sure when I spend $70 now, my bank account still takes out $70, not $50
Pretty sure people make $70 easier today than they did in 2002
Maybe. I make more, but that's because I worked to earn credentials to maximize such things. I know some people who are making more, but the cost of living has risen well beyond what their increase in wages or salary are. While it's anecdotal, those that make lower incomes have a larger disparity between what they make, and what they need to live compared to almost 20 years ago. It's part of the so called class disparity that you hear mentioned some times, as the middle class is starting to shrink, and more people are living below the poverty line. Economics is one of those things you have to look at in broad terms, and I've always found that discussing such things tends to lead to a lot of people speaking from their own point of view. But for me personally, spending $50 today is no different than spending $50 20 years ago. I don't process it in my head as me spending more or less, just what I get for that $50 is less. Although that's not an absolute, as many things have gone down in price due to other factors such as trade incentives, particularly with China. How this relates to games is that production costs haven't really increased significantly since 2002 where they did have a spike due to the jump into last gen game design which did require more people from the prior gen. But, at the same time, gaming took off in a big way, and the market increased dramatically in a relatively short time. This allowed prices to stay low because there were more people to sell to, as production costs are a set cost that doesn't increase as demand goes up....which is yet another factor when determining costs.
Yea I had a lot of disposable income back then at age 21/22, not as much these days with a wife and 2 kids! XD
If there was no DLC and microtrnsactions that would have some value, but as it is half these games should be free with the way they sell predatory crap.
Already there. Like I said before, I don’t care if they release Half-Life 3 as a console exclusive. I ain’t paying £70 for it, and I genuinely think a lot of people won’t!
If gaming companies raise the price to $70, I wonder what more excuses they would have for putting lootboxes or microtransactions into their games.
$70 games doesn't even cover the rate of inflation from 20 year prices. We've been paying $60usd on games for at least 20 years . If game prices increased with inflation they would be $90 games. When you factor in inflation the value of games today would be worth $40 20 years ago , then you can see why they want a price hike. Development costs are much higher now , so now we have this MT monster to counteract inflation and good luck getting rid of that.
how many PS2 games had DLC?
What difference does dlc make in this argument?
Shh, dont talk game development with gamers.
Exactly, they will quote "production costs, server costs, inflation and surprise mechanics" as the reason.
You don't think these are valid reasons? The gaming industry is the only industry that has not adjust to inflation.
@JackBNimble They adjusted. It already costs 80-100 usd to get a complete experience with most games and on top of that we have cut conetent in the form of DLC, and Mt's. I think at one time it costed almost 200 usd to get into Destiny. Inflation is a valid reason as it is actual, but they quote it to abuse the situation, while cutting every corner imaginable (it's called minimum viable product) to send out 60 usd unfinished games with nearly perpetual live-service elements. Is this inflation or any of the above? When is the last time you played a finished and complete game for 60 usd without online elements tacked on? There are a few out there such as HZD, Last of Us 2, Sekiro and so on, but they are the outliers in this situation.
I’m just going to speak with my money. I will wait until i get a price drop. That’s what i do now. I rarely buy day 1 anyways.
Honestly, people have already been doing that. Just look at the sales and how most people tend to wait for deep price cuts.
As far as I'm concerned People don't camp out in line like they use to. Halo, Cod, Sky rim, battlefield during 7th gen. Almost none existent in 8th gen. For 1 pre orders just guarantee your copy, no shortages in games at launch and haven't been in ages. 2. ) Pre orders turned to early cash grabs schemes. 3. ) The rise in digital sales. You can digital pre order or order online whatever special edition of a game they want. Gamers overall are getting smarter plus the rise of digital trends. Some loved waiting in long lines while more ppl grieved it overall. So yes more ppl are willing to wait on for a sales if AAA's these days.
I think that has more to do with the rise of digital than people not buying games day one. TLOU 2 sold 4 million first week.
Yeah. It’s called vote with your wallet.
It's not the end of the world if they have to raise the price of a game by $10. Jesus Christ... you can't expect games to be $60 forever.
Exactly!! AAA video games have been $60 for 2 generations now (14 years) did gamers think that it would stay that price forever. Gamers will either continue to support the hobby or not.
No they haven't. 60 usd only buys the husk of the game not the complete experience.
That's not relevant because of all the dlc and crap they sell after release.
Same thing was said about MTs and now we have MTs in single player games.
Not all AAA games have MTs,mostly SP games don't.
Not all but they are there, The New AC games and Syndicate, Devil May Cry, Dead Space 3, Metal Gear V, Deus X, and Middle Earth are just some, not too mention Day 1 DLCs and multiple editions of the same game for missions, cosmetics and so on.
You're right. 70 on its own, on paper in the grand scheme if things after 15 years later isn't that bad. In fact it isn't bad at all considering we should of been spending nearly 80$ now. In turn I want Red Dead and Cyber Punk levels of production in all AAA games. No half assing by cutting anything out. Full game from start to finish.
It’s ridiculous seeing this ‘end of the world’ sentiment being widely pushed by N4G regulars, in spite of being the same users who say Game Pass is bad and they’d ‘rather support the devs’
If game prices go up it’s going to effect gamepass eventually. Microsoft is subsidizing it to get people locked in before next gen. That’s going to end sooner or later and it’s price will go up and/or the games will go down and get filled with microtransactions.
True, if gamers unite against things we can stop anything. Like drm they tried to pull. Only $70 game I'm willing to buy is Halo. Rest of these games can kiss my *** at $70 not worth it. Gamefly, Gamepass, etc will be a must have next gen
All of this talk disappears when '' your favourite game '' gets a release, and then, you find an excuse for it.
The price of every merchandise/product eventually goes up, some more than others & video games was eventually going to go up in price.