Sony has filed a patent which enables game emulation across PS1, PS2, and PS3 titles via cloud streaming., which could be implemented into PlayStation Now.
Wonder if they would make it so if you popped in a physical disc (PS3 for example), it checks the disc and then lets you stream a version of that game from their servers? You wont have to install or download anything, it just plays as if it was playing from the disc but it is coming right from Sony. Any game that you verified via disc then gets added to a cloud library which you could then access / play on any compatible device that you sign in on with your profile.
That could work for some of their games but I would think that unless the game is actually running off the disc, the same legal licensing issues would still apply.
Not if you’re just paying for the emulation as a service.
I'm actually intrigued by how these virtual machines work. Are they emulating the actual consoles themselves?
I'll take it.
Experience becomes irritating when internet starts to lag during stream. I just want an offline local experience. I won't mind the native resolution during early stages of the local backwards compatibility. They can later on release patches for improved resolution and frame-rates. One at a time.
But then that takes money out of Sony's pockets. I doubt they'll go that far. I wish. I clutch my BC PS3 tightly and wouldn't give it up as I still buy and play games going back to ps1 days.
Same running an orginal fat 14 years old
Loved the original fat. Mine died last year. Still have a super slim in good condition.
They can make the BC. Feature of ps now.... or find a way to charge for BC. If it adds trophy support to old games and back up saves....it might be worth the price....maybe.
Antipirate measures are obsolete with older disc formats, so... it would be like... "free games for everybody". Maybe it is not a good idea.
And how would Sony make money on that? Charging people to play discs wouldn't go down well. And Sony will need to fund the service some how. Whilst it's a nice idea, very few companies will do something that makes a loss and has little to no chance of making a profit.
Sony would rather have BC as a feature to buy and play games digitally rather than having it as a physical function for long time game collectors to just be able to put in their old discs and playing that way.
Old games could still be sold digitally, which would make them money. Not sure it would make them enough to make up the cost to stream a game in its entirety though. It's not like publishers are agreeing with MS form of emulation because they are nice like that, they do it because it gives them the opportunity to make money on the sale of digital copies for those that don't have the game already.
That would be great! Definitely start with putting all first party games on it and then slowly put third party games. I think if this ever becomes a reality, it could really draw more people to the service. Now, I am not a tech person so I don't know if this kind of service would add better resolution, trophies, frame rate, etc. If it is able to do that, even better.
That would work for fast fiber users
PS4 literally can't read CDs. They removed the capability to cut costs. Try it yourself and see.
You have to pay for psnow and even if you have your discs, it's pointless.
Streaming nowadays sometimes allows you to download, right?
Then it isn't streaming.
Better than nothing, especially if it's free.
Not really. I’m not playing games being streamed. It’s nothing like a local experience.
@Jin_Sakai The ps5 SSD + architecture should make streaming next level, no?
Sampsonon Streaming is 99% internet reliant. Hardware doesn't make much of a difference to poor quality and input lag.
Simpler the game, better it runs when streamed? IDK at least when I tried PS Now it felt like smaller and low lag games like fighting games (still would not play online, but playing 2p vs was okay) or some fps games ran better than for example assassins creed games or new tomb raider. Like ps1 and ps2 games are small as fk and does not take very much power to run or transfer your inputs etc.
Honestly, would be a great alternative. I have ps now for 60 a year. It was justified for me when I beat Control, The Evil Within 2 and tons of kids games that my boys love(gamepass and now has saved so much for me). If they add more and as infrastructure gets even better over the next 5 years. I’m down, perhaps even as the platform evolves partial assets can install to run it better? Who knows, the future is vast and amazing.
The problem with PS Now for me anyway is that the streaming is terrible. I'm on around 50mbs and the quality is very poor. On the plus side you can download ps4 games, on the downside all PS3 games are streamed and they're unplayable. I really don't want backwards compatibility this way personally.
:( Let us pray that we will still get real backwards compatibility with improvements to resolution and framerates, and that this is just a cool alternative. MGS4 upscaled to 4K would definitely be worth a replay.
Hopefully the service will offer a download option.
I don't have fast internet so I agree.
To download and play the games ps5 would have to actually have backward compatibility. It doesn’t. So it’s just streaming of old games. Unlike Xbox which is actually back compat. You can download og Xbox or 360 games and actually play them on the hardware. A lot of times with titles like red dead on 360 they are offered in native 4K and better performance. On series x it’s another level of faster performance and loading and introduces HDR to old gen games as well. All natively on the hardware. No streaming.
Backward compatibility on Xbox One is emulated, not native. There’s no reason PS5 couldn’t emulate old games.
Streaming sucks for gaming. And the powers at be are actively making internet access even worse, so shits going go get worse before it gets better
Why? The PS1 and PS2 would be a piece of cake for the PS5 to emulate. Could even throw in some AI upscaling, anti-aliasing, sharpening, etc. You shouldn't have to pay for PS Now just to emulate these games.
Exactly. Just admit defeat on PS3 BC and give us everything else.
Unless it's xcloud then it the best!
Some say it sucks.
Better than nothing but i hope this isn't the only solution.
If true, this is a let down. Give us downloadable games like Xbox BC.
I'll pay for it as long as there is a substantial catalog spanning all 3 past gens.
Well it’s about goddamn time now if only they could allow this fantastic service for Australia.
Filling a patent now means it'll be years before we even see anything from this.
Just make new AAA ip's Sony.
If this is strictly streaming without being able to download the file and play from your console, then as a solution to Xbox's backwards compatibility, it's a pretty poor option. There's so many countries PS Now isn't even available in because streaming games doesn't work with their internet infrastructure. Almost seems a waste of time if that's the case. If it is just cloud storage for the games and you can actually download a file to play, then it's exactly what they needed as a counter to Xbox backwards compatibility.
Who thinks this is going to be free like on Xbox?
If you need psnow, then nope.
You have a hard time writing a comment without attacking Sony for one thing or another. Leave the fanboy rubbish behind, it's boring.
Wow. The irony.
I asked a simple question. Please explain how that is an attack? Why are you so defensive? I had PS 1-3 and I just skipped PS4. If PS5 has games I want I will buy it also. The only games I really wish I could play were Spiderman and maybe Horizon and that is coming to PC. I plan on building a new gaming PC once the final max PC specs for MS Flight sim are released. Unless XSX allows me to use my PC flight sticks. I couldn't justify buy a console for one game. I'm in to racing games and Xbox one had more. For me GT 5 and 6 were disappointing and they never fixed things that they promised.
While I don't believe for a second that this guy owned PS3 and not PS4 (because I don't believe anyone who stuck around for PS3 switched after that, everyone was switching the other direction that gen), I agree with the point. BC should be a feature of the system, not a paid service.
@JEECE I could post a picture of my dusty Fatboy PS3. I didn't like God of war, infamous, and the last 2 Grand Turismo. It was nothing that made me want a PS4. Like I said I'm into racing games and the Forza series is far better than GT. Even with my Fanatec wheel and pedal setup. As for people switching to PS4 from Xbox. A lot of that was price and bad messaging. I understood what they were trying to do and I was fine paying a extra $100 for the extra features. Plus, I had a gaming PC. Everyone doesn't buy PS4 hates all PS. It just didn't have anything that made me want to buy it.
Still have ps1, ps2, ps3, so not bothered either way. Buying ps5 for new games primarily.
I, too, hate consolidation and technical progress /s
Is this what sony are using microsofts azure cloud streaming service for?
Meh. Modders in the retro gaming community make upscalers and mods that allow PS1/PS2 games to look and run better than any software emulation Sony can throw into their hardware so I don’t care too much about BC anymore. Plus, people think that adding BC somehow is going to affect development of upcoming games (LMAO WHAT). So not having it on there will make them happy at least.
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"could be implemented into PSNOW" So still charging to play back compat games? No thanks.
So Microsoft did it better?
That what PS Now Does.
I've bought every PlayStation and am going to by PS5 via pre-order if I can jump on it before they sell out. But I can't understand why it is so hard for them to get that streaming is not the answer. And I get that it might be the only solution for PS3 games, and I'm willing to begrudgingly accept that (even though the PC emulation community has proven that PS3 emulation is viable), but PS1, PS2, and PS4 games should all run natively, no excuses.
If you translate the Japanese it actually talks about serving demos via the cloud.
I got Fiber and I still think this isn't good enough... but probably better than nothing which is the alternative they were ready to offer...
How about just legitimate backwards compatibility? MS is literally updating games from almost two decades ago, and we're talking about streaming on Sony's end.
hello , The problem with PS Now for me anyway is that the streaming is terrible. I'm on around 50mbs and the quality is very poor. On the plus side you can download ps4 games, on the downside all PS3 games are streamed and they're unplayable. I really don't want backwards compatibility this way personally.
This sucks if this is how bc is handled. It's an okay replacement but still hurts people with slow connections or caps. I would really love to have local emulation, like PS4 on the ps5.
If I can't use my old PS2 and PS3 discs, I'm buying the digital PS5. F##& it.
This is likely a value added extra for those who don't have OG physical media. For the rest of us we should still be pushing for platform-wide PS1/2/3 software compatibility on PS5 in addition to the PS4 backwards compatibility we know we're getting. Why? Because PSP played PS1 games without PS1 hardware. PS Vita played PSP games without PSP hardware on board. I understand the Emotion Engine (PS2] was a strange beast, but PS5 supports 256-bit instructions are they telling me PS5 doesn't support 128-bit instructions like PS2 did? Why not? Why can we not yet emulate PS2? I guess because we can't emulate PS2 we must also ignore PS1 existed! At least there was a legitimate reason to ignore PS1/2 disc compatibility on PS4. PS4 didn't support Compact Discs at all (some PS2 games were also on CDs not DVDs). But no software support for PS1 or PS2 either! What a drag, especially since I did buy some PS1 games for the first time ever via PSN. Is PS5 going to have the same hardware limitations? Time will tell.