Former Bungie exec and music composer Marty O'Donnell sheds light on the Activision-Bungie deal, and drops a few bombs along the way.
I feel like there is a lesson here for developers overly eager to give control to a big publisher.
Agreed, but in the end Bungie did make the right call IMO at ensuring they keep the IP
Imagine what a shty deal was agreed between Sony and lame activision , where Sony gave all the bluprints for developping the original legendary status Crash games(remember original ps1 Crash games belong to Sony) and Activision just gave them mediocre remakes and 1 year of exclusivity...activision is a bunch of vultures ..Sony should have never agreed to give original Crash to these thieves
Sony never owned Crash Bandicoot, they only ever published it...
@sonic Sony never owned crash or spiro naughty dog did and they sold it to activision then after Sony purchased naughty dog actually it was universal that owned the crash ip they when down and activision got it while Sony got ND
They should have stayed with Microsoft
@Chris So did Microsoft according to Marty, but Bungie would have to give IP ownership so it was a no brainer for them then
Microsoft has already overcome their departure... whereas Bungie never reached the success or quality they did with under Microsoft.
One likely never to be learned given far too many examples.
There isn't that many large independents left, fortunately CDPR came out and said no which is probably the most important one.
Bungie knew, they worked with activision before just like when the CoD devs left for EA they know what EA is like as theu made medal of honor for them
I didn't understand it in the end, they left microsoft because they wanted to do something different than Halo (fps) but then they made Destiny (another fps)
Maybe they were getting tired of the Halo lore and wanted to make something a little different and more interesting.
If GG can switch in up, so can Bungie
I agree. I enjoy Destiny more than Halo personally.
lol yeah too bad Destiny was cool but story wise, it was poo poo compared to what they created with Halo
Bungie didn't even write Reach. They didn't want to develop it but decided to give MS another shot at allowing them to do a new IP after being pushed to do it, but they still wanted Halo so they said everyones gonna leave whether they keep the Bungie name or not and MS let them go
They just want to get all the profits and own the IP.
Destiny was originally supposed to be a third person fantasy game. However, early on in development Bungie realized they had no idea how to make one, and defaulted back to what they did know.
Why does different have to be different in every way? A new universe, new story, new lore, new sub-genre, new gameplay mechanics, new music, new platforms, new community, etc. The whole shared world concept was not something they had done before. You want them to make a racing game just so they fit your definition of "different"?? You might as well say the shouldn't have made a video game because Halo is a video game.
Are we using this as an excuse for the horrible state of the game now? I gave up on it.
New season isn't bad though. There's also the new DLC in September...
I tried it. Thought it was just as bad as the last one. As for the new DLC, they burnt me with Shadowkeep which i thought was an awful DLC.
Shadow Keep was dreadful and nit worth the money. People kicked off about the annual pass being the same price as the DLC for Forsaken so they introduced seasons which equates to more money than what you would have paid for the annual pass. Destiny 2 is one of the most expensive games out there. You get so very little content for what you pay for and you all blamed Activision but the greed continues well after they left.
No, but I think there are a few of us who feel a little validated in our initial criticism of the deal. We'd seen what Acti did to COD and we expected the same with anything Bungie would make for them. We were mostly right.
Yeah, true there.
Big publishers can be evil in part to investors that should leave the art alone as it is art.
I'm not defending Activision and how crappy they are. But let's be real here, it's easy to say things like this after a break up.
Left Microsoft only to go with Activision and get an even worse deal.
Agreed I cry every day that they own Crash.
"Left" Microsoft owned Bungie, right. How does that work? Can Turn 10 simply leave Microsoft? Coalition? Playground? And for whatever reason they left MS, they are not owned by Activision. Not sure where the "worse deal" is.
They probably had a buyout clause in their contract when they were purchased, or just negotiated the buyout. Bungie didn't just leave. They paid to become independent. Those other MS studios could potentially also be brought out. Everything has a price.
Yes, left. Like Rain said, they bought their way out...but make no mistake...out is what they ultimately wanted. Microsoft kept the IP and Bungie was able to go free which again, they wanted to do. They then signed with Activision on a long term deal. Activision is who fired Marty O'Donnell because they had that kind of power as per their deal with Bungie. And yes, its arguably worse because not only didnt Bungie reach the same success as they saw under Microsoft in terms of sales or ratings, but it was under Activision that Bungie actually started to become hated by the gaming industry. I mean...the games didnt even have proper SP campaigns which they were known for, under Activision.
@rainslacker Ah....makes sense then.
🤔 they kept their ip... and no matter which way you spin... bungie ruined destiny. Not activision. That is an escape goat and not a reality... the proof is the fact bungie went wild with monetizations after the fact while being lazier per developing actual content while doing nothing but re-using 90% of the games that they already charged for 4+ years ago
Worse deal? They own the ip they create it and it's successful, more than halo this generation. They don't own halo .. how's this a bad deal for them? Anyone knew activstion sucks.. even they knew but they offered the best deal and have they right marketing hint cod. Anyways
But Destiny will never be bigger than Halo in general. You say its more successful than Halo this generation, yet Halo was WAY more successful for them after the first two iterations than Destiny has been in its first two.
Live the now. Idk who sold more and is making more money plus has more players i am guessing is destiny. And if ks destiny then its more successful to them. Microtanstration is huge and this game is designed that way. Plus phones will be able to play this game soon so they can port it to phons and make lots of money they own the ip . Probably used activstion to buy themselves out Microsoft and knew they will have to deal with activstion bs for years but soon they wont need. They will have more power and a stablish ip that is successful and independent. Maybe destiny is not as successful as halo for xbox fans but it's more successful this generation.
That's what happens when you give your life away to a corporation that only cares about profit above freedom of expression and creativity.
Thing is, in the interview he says that the contract they made with Activision made sure that couldn't happen. The problem was that Bungie's execs were more interested in money than anything else, and willingly went along with what Activision wanted.
I guess if I was asking these guys questions... my very first would be... What was your intentions on leaving ms? Was it to make destiny?
It was. They started working on Destiny not too long after Halo: Reach came out.
You can even find a destiny easter egg in odst, so this was the plan as far as 2009 https://vignette.wikia.noco...
My first question would be why was leaving MS even an option? Microsoft owned Bungie. That's like asking why my car is suddenly no longer owned by me.
They bought themselves out. Microsoft gave them the option. What's so difficult to grasp guy?
"What's so difficult to grasp guy?" Nothing. Not knowing the answer is the reason for the question. What's so difficult to grasp about that, "guy"?
I think that reflects very positively on Microsoft. Honestly I'm shocked they were even open to this considering their history. A studio wanted out to be able to work on something other than the "master plan" laid out by Microsoft. So they gave them the option to do so. Yes it's strange, but the alternative would have been future severely diminished quality product and/or the Bungie folks all just quitting and starting a different studio from scratch again. This escape plan was a win-win looking from the outside. It's just too bad they got their freedom and then sold it to Activision right away. And in the process shed a lot of their original amazing talent.
Shock horror they sold out and lost the passion and control over the franchise. Not to devs don’t chase an easy pay day with a deal. Worry about delivering a good game and the plaudits and sales will follow. This isn’t consistently correct as some fantastic games fail to catch on or sell but generally worry about making a good game and the money will follow do it the other way and chase the money and I’ll barely dabble with a free beta. That was enough for me. Beta of original not touched destiny since
Should've stuck to Halo, left the greatest FPS franchise in history to start a mediocre one.
And now Destiny thrives and halo fans are waiting to see if infinite redeems the series or completes the hattrick of mediocrity Also, halo was never even top 5 fps series Maybe if you only restrict yourself to xbox
Destiny thrives ROFL. What rock you been loving under?. Halo not top 5? Name the 5. If you say CoD, battlefield, destiny, or any PS fps exclusive we can end this convo now cause you're just a lollipop looking for licks but I stay sucka free. 😜. Like I said Halo is the greatest FPS franchise of all time. The credentials speak for themselves
Half life, doom, metro, doom, quake, stalker, f.e.a.r., swat, rainbow six, Duke nukem 3d.Varied types of fps, all better than that saga that reuses copy and pasted hallways to stretch levels. In fact there is still no multiplayer shooter that did the arena better than quake 3. If you want newer games you have all of new blood interactive games, as fps games there are league better than any halo game Destiny got content announced all through 2022 while, again, halo fans are praying for the end of 10 years of mediocrity.
Oh and I may not love halo, but at least it's decent. Killzone is complete ***** since you suggested I might have preferred that.
I never understood the destiny hype. Being a halo vet and stuff all destiny is to me -is firefight(destiny 1) firefight with cutscenes(destiny 2) i say firefight because it's as repetitive as halo's firefight. Hopefully destiny 3 is what makes destiny feel like its own thing and not some glorified firefight
Exactly Destiny is like a small slice of halo put on multiplat and some think it's actually a great fps lol. Halo is 10x+ the scope of destiny, so just imagine if halo was multiplat.
destiny is what makes halo uninteresting . It's better and anyone can play it on Playstation or pc. And Microsoft thinks halo is a sistem seller? Hahahaha Only to couple million fanboys with nostalgia. Kind of same happened with uncharted .. tomb rider copied and made uncharted little less unique.. they are still big ips uncharted or halo but not sistem sellers or unique as they were.
I don't think Microsoft thinks halo is a sistem seller. Unless they happen to be Romanian then yea they probably think halo is a sistem seller.
Live the now. Idk who sold more and is making more money plus has more players i am guessing is destiny. And if ks destiny then its more successful to them. Microtanstration is huge and this game is designed that way. Plus phones will be able to play this game soon so they can port it to phons and make lots of money they own the ip . Probably used activstion to buy themselves out Microsoft and knew they will have to deal with activstion bs for years but soon they wont need. They will have more power and a stablish ip that is successful and independent. Maybe destiny is not as successful as halo for xbox fans but it's more successful this generation. Just check halo 5 sold 5 million copies lifetime. Destiny 1 alone in 1 month sold over 6 million copies so sure halo has sold amazing all together 6p million since 2001. But i bet destiny 1 and 2 plusall it's dlc have made more money thab halo so yeah.
There is this great thing called spell check. I find it hard to take anyone seriously when I have to reread something more than three times to understand. I'll just say this, Destiny 1 is on about 5 different platforms, compared to Halo being on 1(maybe 2 depending on the which game you talk about). I would hope Destiny sold better.
Halo is on two actually. And 2 go cry somewhere else lol destiny >>>> halo Microsoft is trying to pass halo as the next big thing and is not even a next gen game hahaha ofcourse all games will do 120fps 4k they are all current gen games designed for the Sad and after two year's designed for the 4tb Sad 2.0 4k 120fps is nothing to bragg about
Like I said, depends on which game you are talking about. Halo 5 is only on Xbox One, MCC is on 2. Let's not forget Destiny 2 is F2P, so anyone can play it on the 5-6 platforms it's on. To each their own, if you like Destiny more than cool, doesn't change the fact people are excited to see Halo Infinite gameplay soon, and yes, the game will look great regardless of being cross-gen. Please proof read anything you write.
Why are you commenting so many times? With the same tripe? Relax dude.
I'm talking to different people .. that answered that
Wow had no idea Marty got fired for that reason but that makes alot of sense, unfortunately neither Halo nor Destiny is doing well these days.
very useful, thanks
Except his interview shows the actual problem was with Bungie's execs, and not with Activision. They weren't required by any measure to let Activision have any say, but they choose to go along with it probably because it meant more money for them. Plus, given how the game has gone since they separated, it's pretty obvious that the biggest problem with Bungie and Destiny is Bungie itself.
What are you talking about, it's just business! Then why did they leave Microsoft?
Yeah activision are even worse than microsoft in how they treat their studios. Out of the fire into the fireplace.
Explain how MS treats their studios poorly.
Destiny was genuinely excellent but hardly any content
So they didn't go to Sony or Microsoft cause they would mess with the IP. Instead they went with Activision who did mess with the IP. Then they went independent and they mess with their own IP but did we, at the end, saw any difference at all? Bunch of alien guardians of light who were once human fighting against darkness to defend planet Earth, that doesn't look like Earth at all, with the power of light? 8/10 Oh yeah, Bungie 9.5/10 Oh micro transactions 9.9/10… yes.