Ellie Is The Worst Character In The Last Of Us 2 (Spoilers)

Ellie's behavior in TLOU2 is a constant disappointment.

[ziggurcat]

You can't claim someone has acted out of character when it's taking place years after the first game. She's not 13/14 years old anymore, and her personality would have gone through some changes. Also, her actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge - it causes people to act rather selfishly, which would have been true in the case of this game. These "X character is acting out of character" claims are utter nonsense.

[Game-ur]

characters are all bad because of the writing.

"actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge"

just exposes the naive knowledge about humanity and it's history, can't help but think Druckerman lived a sheltered life and only experienced these concepts through a book or 2.

[Hakuoro]

It's a video game featuring fictional characters in a fictional world.

And the fact that murder and robberies and other crime happens daily in real life shows that people don't act in predictable or rational ways. Heck what one person sees as completely rational will be seen by another as completely irrational.

Just because a person (especially when fictional) doesn't act the way you want them to doesn't make that wrong.

[P_Bomb]

Read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang, I believe. Humanity is more than capable of going out of character. Ellie has her motivation. Plus some PTSD to remind her just in case.

[oakshin]

Agreed not that it's a bad thing but it's easy to spot people that's been though "life" at a early age and those who haven't

It's not just different strokes but different environments upbringings

Easy life's and hard life's are easy to spot

It will mold you nodoubt

[Veneno]

Druckman is Israeli. He knows a thing or two about never ending war.

[Game-ur]

@Hakuoro
robberies are actual rational, just not moral. they are mostly prevented by the force of law. we have all witnessed what happens in the absence or weakness of law.

what makes the revenge saga in this game unbelievable is stakes and the cost. traveling ling distance should be very difficult. that was actually a fundamental plot device in the 1st game but in this game it's a casual decision to abandon those who need you to travel 100's of miles in search for vengeance.

@P_Bomb1h
"Rape of Nanking" is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today. this is what I mean by sheltered life

[bouzebbal]

She is so irrelevant.. 10hours in and still so bored of it. Worst pair in gaming, Ellie and Dina 🤢🤢🤢

SPOIL
I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment.. Joel losing his daughter in the first one was what made that game one of the best ever.. I felt no anger, no sorrow in Ellie, and didn't feel nothing but disappointment as a player

[TheKingKratos]

*I think it's so bad written especially when she's trying to take revenge for the main protagonist who gets barely mentioned.. His disappearance is the biggest disappointment and letdown.
No funeral, no sad moment*

Hmmmmm.. what ? You sure you are playing the game

[Nitrox]

It’s important to keep in mind that this is all taking place in a lawless “society” where survival in many instances relies on kill or be killed.

Morality in this fictional world should be looked at with that context. It is more tribal. There is no more collective “humanity” in this fictional world, just “us” and “them” tribes. Revenge is a primal response that fits perfectly in a world where there’s little else to lose.

[P_Bomb]

"Rape of Nanking is humans acting in character. things like that still happen in the world today.”

You saying that default Japanese character is to murder maim and torture?! Not all Japanese soldiers were like that. People are malleable.

“this is what I mean by sheltered life“

Stay in school kids.

[Game-ur]

@P_Bomb

saying that's what soldiers do to those they conquered. this happens today in Syria, Libya, Iraq. humans are sold as cattle today.

[zackeroniii]

just when i thought we've reached peak clickbate...i see this article.

my oh my are these "journalists" outdoing themsleves i'm actually impressed i wonder how long it took for this dude to come up with this one... he probably had to dig really deep into his magic hat...

not to mention screen rant has been churning out an absurd amount of TLOUP2 articles like clockwork. when they have no material they gotta find the next big thing to talk about for clicks...

[VariantAEC]

@ziggurcat
"Also, her actions are quite common for someone who is hell bent on revenge - it causes people to act rather selfishly, which would have been true in the case of this game."

Any current day examples you want to share? Perhaps with the police?
Ah no or you don't have any?

Either way you've just proved that your whole "everyone is out for revenge" bullet-point dead wrong. I can't think of really any situations where violence was for revenge outside of the cinema and even then not many movies I watch are about getting revenge. Plenty of books games and movies about how bad violence is though...

Imagine thinking The Last of Us Part II is the only story to talk dirty about revenge or even the only game.
Just sad.

[ziggurcat]

I don't think you really read what I was saying.

[VariantAEC]

Hmmm, well let's try this. How far off the mark was I in understanding what you meant?
Please explain.

[Spicyram]

Ellie is the strongest character in the game by a country mile, and Laura Bailey once again delivered a masterclass.

Mel was the worst character for me, found her annoying 😂

[TheKingKratos]

Hated her .. had no idea how Owen was able to leave Abby for her

[Mr Marvel]

I agree, Mel and Dina were the worst and most annoying characters.

[TricksterArrow]

I think Mel is a bit annoying, but I don't think we get to know her all that much... Aside from Owen, most of Abby's friends weren't really all that developed, and that's fine, the game wasn't about them.

[VariantAEC]

If you don't like her friends how can you like her? I mean it's one thing to have characters like Tess who die early on and a totally different thing entirely to have these characters around you the whole time that you feel like you know next to nothing about. That's yet another hallmark of poor storytelling.

[TricksterArrow]

"If you don't like her friends how can you like her?"

Easily. She is not her friends.

[Hakuoro]

Ya know I am notching a trend well actually I knew this would happen based on what happened to past games. Where people who are really mad about the political narrative of a game make up every excuse to harm the game other than saying the real reason they don't like the game is political.

It''s totally not not the gay representation that I hate I promise, it's the story or it's the characters or the animations are weird or it's has a bug, but it's definitely not political. Even though I have repeatedly said in prior conversations that i don't like gay people or brown people or female main characters or whatever the game in question has, nope it's not those things....

[starchild]

It's obvious you're a leftist just by the way you frame the complaints about the political messaging. Everybody that disagrees with you is always labeled a raaacist. It seems to be the only thing you people know how to say.

I've always said I dislike the leftist propaganda in the game and I'm tired of having this crap shoved down my throat in so many movies, tv series and games.

Imagine how you would feel if every time you turned around another game, movie or series you were looking forward to went through sudden changes in order to shoehorn in some right-wing political messaging. I'm sure you would hate it as much as we do.

Intersectionality is a poisonous doctrine. People who have absorbed this worldview won't even notice when it's present.

In any case, if it were just the politics it might leave a bad taste in the mouth but the game itself might otherwise still be great. But I, and many others, feel they made major mistakes in terms of what they did with the characters and narrative. Which for many of us was the main attraction to the series in the first place.

[Hakuoro]

My world view is treating everyone as equals and not judging people by skin color religion or who they want to have sex with.

"Intersectionality is a poisonous doctrine. People who have absorbed this worldview won't even notice when it's present."

Is this like how the US is losing it's democracy to voter suppression, gerrymandering, unchecked violations to the constitution like using active military to suppress peaceful protests, repeated violations of election laws and using the justice department which is supposed to be an independent law enforcement agency to serve political interests being ignored by the right?

Hate is a poisonous doctrine..People absorbed in that world view don't even notice the country falling to totalitarian fascism..

Edit: Ya know I think the right wing ideology can pretty much be summed up in the objection to wearing face masks in public during a global pandemic. You don't wear the mask to protect yourself you wear it to protect others and the right fails this basic test of humanity.

The right wing message has become little more than "don't ask me to show other people respect".

[starchild]

@Hakuoro
I didn't want to get too far into the politics--I mainly wanted to make the point that I have never shied away from expressing my displeasure at the political messaging inserted into the game--but I do want to answer some points you brought up.

First, I am a libertarian and I believe strongly in judging people as individuals not as faceless units of a group. I believe everybody must be treated equally and fairly under the law and that we should hold social values that encourage individuals to judge others as individuals. I have love for all good people, no matter what their race, gender, origin, etc.

As it so happens, this is exactly why I fiercely oppose the related doctrines of cultural Marxism, identity politics, intersectionality and critical race theory. These are truly irrational and destructive belief systems. All SJWs operate on the ideas and assumptions present in these doctrines.

What they do is divide everybody up into different groups based on race, gender and other categories, then they assign moral merit to these different groups based on their supposed level of "privilege" or "victimhood". This creates a hierarchy where "privilege" is bad and "victimhood" is good.

They don't want equality of treatment or an individualist merit-based society, they merely want to create a new hierarchy. Basically what it amounts to is people engaging in prejudice and then justifying their prejudice by deluding themselves into believing that it's all ok by framing their prejudice as being anti-prejudice. Truly perverse.

As far as your largest middle paragraph, it's full of so much nonsense and untruths that I'm not even going to bother getting into those topics. Each of those claims would need more time and space to address than I have here. The only thing I will say is that it's true that both leftists and conservatives have made attacks on the constitution and individual liberty, but the greatest number and most radical infringements have certainly come from the left.

Finally, I think you are mischaracterizing right-wing people as somehow all being against wearing masks in public. This is far from true. Many right-wing people advocate wearing masks. I myself always wear a mask in public and encourage my friends and family to do the same.

[cesar4]

starchild everything you said is just victim blaming.

[Hakuoro]

"They don't want equality of treatment or an individualist merit-based society, they merely want to create a new hierarchy. Basically what it amounts to is people engaging in prejudice and then justifying their prejudice by deluding themselves into believing that it's all ok by framing their prejudice as being anti-prejudice. Truly perverse."

So a person who wants someone to stop harassing them is wrong for wanting people to stop? People wouldn't be asking for change if their wasn't a problem. When racism, sexism and homophobia stop people will stop asking for change, not the other way around.

What your saying is people should just deal with hate until the people causing the hate decide to act as "enlightened as you claim you are" but that's not how reality works. People who espouse hate will not willingly stop. You're putting the cart before the horse racism causes "SJW's" not the other way around.

As the saying goes, A man doesn't ask for water before they get before they get thirsty.

You don't think voter suppression is real? In Texas since the supreme court invalidated provisions in the voting rights act Texas has closed well over 100 polling sites greater than 80% of those sites have been in minority communities making it so many people have to travel 20 or more miles to get to polling centers that are going to be packed on a weekday when they probably need work.

Here is a google link pick your news organization to read about how bad the polling situation has become not surprisingly mostly in red states. This is not opinion this is what is happening.

https://bit.ly/3g3XunR

And as for gerrymandering and election rigging.

In Michigan the Democrats can have over 20% greater voter turnout and still not control the state Congressional houses and that is a common thing in many states that have been gerrymandered using computer modeling. Let me remind you in the last presidential election Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote by 3 million votes which is just another example of systemic failures in the electoral process.

Here are links to Republicans admitting they gerrymander. It's not opinion.

https://bit.ly/2NBTq1Z

See the problem is that the Republicans have chosen exclusion but the rate of "minorities" which in their terms has even become women it becomes harder and harder for them to gain more votes than the Democrats who all the people who feel excluded by the Republicans are forced to turn to. That is the whole start of the modern white nationalist movement.

Just look at this image to see the difference in incoming house members from 2018's election. It's clear what the primary difference between the two groups are. The Republicans are all white men except one woman. The Democratic incumbents are half female and includes many people from all the other minorities groups. And that's because the Republicans for my whole life have increasingly excluded groups of people.

https://bit.ly/2YDCj6g

[Dragonscale]

Really. So basically if you don't like the game its because you are a bigot or a phobe or a nazi, as usual. Get screwed with that nonsense.

[VariantAEC]

What about this games story was great, new to games as a medium, done better than any similar game stories if any? And since we're leaving the politics at the door, the use of LGBT+ characters is totally irrelevant mentioning them gives you nothing in the way of credibility unless you can prove that including their sexuality was critical to the story and couldn't be done with non-LGBT+ characters.

I'll wait.

[Hakuoro]

You're now the one telling the story. Did Lord of the Rings need Elves and Dwarves? Why do you get to decide what fiction needs and doesn't need?

[VariantAEC]

Hakuoro
So you couldn't find anything decent about the story of The Last of Us Part II?
I rest my case.

[FanboySpotter]

I'm gonna pretend you meant to type Abby and then agree with the title.

[Razmiran]

Why is abby the worst?

[Tokasmke]

Lol

[Father__Merrin]

Have fanboys not realized this is a game and not real life? They seem to be personally affected by TLOU2 reviews & sales...

[Lexreborn2]

It’s funny, people are disappointed in Ellie behavior wonder how they would feel if we saw EVERYTHING Joel did between his daughter death and meeting Ellie. If the end of The Last of Us 1 told us anything about Joel it’s that he was 90% a bad guy and 10% likable in saving Ellie.

And Ellie adopted ALL of Joel and Tommy’s behaviors so she’s clearly reflective of the decisions Joel made in the past. But, people seem to have some form of nostalgia for Joel they can’t see how well the stories compliment each other.

Shame for them

[laserap]

mmm disagree

[PCgamer98]

The only thing I dont get with ellie is that she kinda became a heartless killing machine and goes on a murder spree even killing every one close to abby but when she finally fights her at the end she spared her and even let her go. Like what's the point of her whole journey and leaving her life with dina? Also it sucks that joel is nothing more but a plot device in this game.

[AK91]

I agree her character is poorly written (along with everyone else in the game) but the worst character is clearly Abby not just because of her actions but because the game forces you to play as her after ‘that scene’ not to mention she comes of as an unlikeable psychopath as opposed to the bad ass anti hero Neil Druckmann intended.

[gigzamillion]

The hate campaign leveled at this game is a constant disappointment. I'm sure the fact its not working is a constant disappointment for those doing it.

[GodOfNothing]

I hated Abby initially but after remembering that joel doomed the human race and didn't even give Ellie the chance to decide for herself at the end of TLOU she started to grow on me. I thoroughly appreciate the game ND crafted, partly because it defied all my expectations. I can respect others' opinions but it's clear most of them have an agenda of their own. Guess we all do.

[TacoTaru]

never click on something like that

[Mr Marvel]

Not the worst character, but I feel she was the main villain of the story.
Abby at least showed showed mercy more than once and I actually liked her character.
Dina was by far the worst and most annoying character.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Agreed

[anast]

The story is logical and meaningful. All of the characters were well written within the space that was constructed. Some people didn't enjoy this space, and a ton of people did.

[NukeDaHippies]

I was begging for abby to kill ellie near the end if the game. I was simply sick of Ellie, by the end. I bet someone thought they were smart making someone like me change their opinion of a character.

But, the reality is they artificially made that happen by making Ellie stupid and out of character. What a joke.

[Lord_Sloth]

That's a funny way to spell Owen.