Microsoft will work with Facebook to integrate xCloud in the future
Xbox chief discusses what the Mixer closure means for its strategy
Of course not burning millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars is what Microsoft is best at.
“Phil Spencer: I don't have any regrets about Mixer“
So you have no regrets for all those who lost their fully time jobs streaming games on Mixer within a seconds notice? There’s people who was literally crying about the situation.
Exactly, but of course there's always the free pass available! People always using excuses that Phil is a PR man, so that automatically mitigates his responsibility to the consumers to offer some type of explanation and possibly restitution!? Where and what was their stance when Sony's head honcho made the comment that people should get second jobs in order to buy a PS3 because it released at such a high price point!? Sony was skewered over that, so much so that the president of Sony gave a public apology.
No company or spokesperson is exempt from being humbled.
"No regrets " -Phil Spencer
The unveiling of Xbox One w/kinect ... "no, regre........ Ummm......."
People are stupid AF if they quit their day job to pursue a life in streaming video games. If you're crying about it, you pretty much deserve it.
@Jin
Do you even bother reading anything? Like ever? He's saying he has no regrets about launching Mixer and trying to make the platform work. He doesn't regret taking the risk.
He's *not* saying he has no regrets about shutting it down and putting tons of people out of a job. Christ some people on this site are ridiculous.
@porkChop
“He's *not* saying he has no regrets about shutting it down and putting tons of people out of a job. Christ some people on this site are ridiculous.“
What’s ridiculous is how he shut Mixer down without a minutes notice and all their streamers were left with nothing. I guess most will never trust Microsoft again when it comes to streaming.
it must feel really good being Phil Spencer. burning money like no other and then when it doesn't work (in record time nonetheless) like Mixer here, he just goes "oh well, no regrets" like it's nothing.
Only two guys were under a legitimate exclusive contract that I know of.
But also if someone is successful there is not reason they can't transition to another platform
If you make your lively hood on any streaming platform, then more fool you, diversify don't stick on one platofrm.
Mixer, Youtube, Twitch etc can come and go, and not only that they can close your account if they don't like what you doing.
Frankly the signs had already been there with Mixer, it wasn't that successful compared to other platforms.
Well this people that are crying, can get a real job, not ruining games being try hards and stupid people just watching someone else playing a game. Lazy cry babies should go work and not smoke, drink and play games all day, making money of viewers.
@porkchop
He is saying “no regrets” in the context of the closure of mixer which has cost people their livelihood. “No regrets” refers to the decisions that resulted in the current situation, including both opening and shutting down of mixer. So maybe you’re the one who needs to improve his reading comprehension?
Hey, they tried to get into a market that they wanted to get it in and it did not work out for them.
I would rather them try a bunch of new things and fail at some of them then try nothing at all. Every company has its share of failed things they try (Some more expensive then others). But, again, the willingness to gamble billions is a good thing. Shows they are willing to take risks.
They shouldn't be faulted for trying.
I don't really know all the details surrounding mixer, as I tended to forget it even existed 99% of the time until it was mentioned randomly. But, if it wasn't doing anything for them, and was obviously not going anywhere, then they did what MS does best. Back out, and forget it ever existed.
In the end, it won't matter. If it wasn't relevant enough to stay open, it's closure isn't going to be that big of a thing in the long run. Even if it was big, it's closure isn't going to be that big of a thing in the long run.
One could argue they could have tried something different, but coming into an already over saturated and competitive market is a hard thing to be successful at. MS has failed at more of these kinds of attempts in their history than they've succeeded in....even when they've had superior products.
If you try your going to mess up eventually, no shame in that. Personally I don’t like the direction phill has taken Xbox though
And yet can still pay to acquire most of their competitors.
They're doing something right.
Phil doesn’t seem like someone that learns from mistakes. At least not publicly which....isn’t the best look
He is blaming others not taking blame. Let's be honest here at least don matrick brought Xbox Brand toe to toe with Nintendo and PlayStation. I know he and Xbox fans blame matrick but Phil was pretty high up during launch of Xbox so if he actually believed Xbox one reveal was bad he could have done something about it
Basically Phil help implement most of those drm features into Xbox x and now series x but he did it over time not right away
What's he going to say different? That he totally cost the company money that he can't recoup? That's a sure fire way to be out the door.
Um... yeah? He’s come out and said things like that in the past, where they’ve made a mistake or changed direction.
Obviously there’s going to be a limit to what they come out and say, but it’s not like they’re always sweeping things under the rug when they don’t go well.
“Phil Spencer admits first party output has been weak”
https://gamingbolt.com/phil...
“Phil Spencer admits the initial Xbox One reveal was a mistake”
https://gamingbolt.com/phil...
“Phil Spencer admits Microsoft made wrong decisions with Xbox One”
https://www.techradar.com/a...
Yea, no. He blamed other people for those things, he didn't take any personal responsibility.
@Hakuoro
You do realize that he's one person in a multibillion dollar company, right? Yes he's the current head of Xbox but that doesn't mean he makes literally every decision regarding the console. Just like any publicly traded business the board of directors has a huge say in what the company does. For all we know Phil Spencer could have been opposed to every one of those decisions and been overruled by the board, and on the flip side he might have thought all of those were great ideas and been backed by the board.
He shouldn't take "personal responsibility" for these things because the entire decision was not made exclusively by him.
What kills me is they had. A chance to buy twitch but didn’t and tried doing their own. Then amazon got twitch and the rest is history
If they did buy Twitch there's no telling how it would've turned out. For all we know people would've streamed elsewhere
rainslacker
Interesting you bring up Skype another product which Microsoft killed.
Skype is dead, Xoom and Discord are the only things anyone uses anymore.
That's sorta Microsoft's MO. Before they went to Apple; Samsung actually approached Microsoft with the designs for the first real touch screen smart phones. Microsoft turned it down and said that people weren't going to want to do that type of stuff on their phone, that's what desktops and laptops were for. So instead Samsung went to Apple and the rest is history.
I don't think there was really much more they could have done to make Mixer successful. They even signed several large streamers and that wasn't enough. It not like Mixer was bad streaming platform because wasn't. Hands down better than Facebook, but even Facebook has seen steady growth, where Mixer wasn't. It was time to cut their losses.
Oh yeah that why, they switching to Facebook gaming right? Why couldn't they do a combo of both?
Probably because they would rather sell to facebook than google or amazon. They were losing millions on it. Look up the viewer numbers for Mixer compared to other streaming platforms. Mixer only grew .02% year over year viewership.
Platform wise mixer was the best, but they were too late. Just like with Windows phone
@Hakuoro
that was a different Windows phone. back then, their intention was to create a mobile pc. with Nokia, they wanted to compete in the smartphone market with iPhone and Android in which, they were late, like the Mixer. they even sacrificed/jeopardized their PC market for it with Win 8. remember that? what a disaster that was.
Windows phone was the worst phone I ever had. I'd prefer an old chromatic flip phone over it. Almost no apps nor the web browser even worked. Thank God I'd gotten it for free. Samsung for life.
In a Reddit post, Xbox's Larry Major Nelson Hyrb said that mixer won't just change to Facebook Gaming on Console.
If I was Facebook I would drop the branding as it is now associated with a failed streaming service.
What do you think, why would Facebook partner up? They must be failing badly too lol
While Mixer failed and didn't see any growth (or better, their traffic was going down), Facebook's gaming division (or whatever) was going up due to Oculus or chat or mobile gaming. More traffic on service, more ad revenue.
Increasing traffic also means that you have to go where there is traffic or where people are.
Since Facebook has money, and Mixer has money they went together to see potential growth.
Facebook goes for gaming because they have billions of people, who some of them are gamers, but they game on other platforms.
At this stage what ever they do they will se growth, but not from hc gamers or gamers in general, but from every day Joes who heard that fifa, gta and cod exists.
In other words, who cares :p
Two companies that have been scrutinized for data collection practices, Facebook being the worst of the two. This is a partnership MS should have stayed away from.
That was really the only option. Couldn’t have gone to YouTube because stadia would conflict with xcloud plans. Couldn’t go with twitch because amazon will be releasing their own answer to the streaming Wars.
The only other option was to not partner with anyone. If they did that, they’d be leaving their streamers high and dry. At least with Facebook they are offering partner status to those who had it in mixer and sign on bonuses
It would have been way cheaper to just buy out people with sign on bonuses. The partnership with Facebook was probably expensive and will further tarnish their branding in the streaming space. Especially with so many companies boycotting Facebook right now.
And the likelihood of Facebook being integrated into the XSX at some point is super high now. Not sure anyone would want that.
MS can’t catch a break this gen when it comes to partnerships.
The partnership is more about a gateway to xcloud. They want to push that to as many people as possible. They wanted mixer to be that, but it failed to gain traction.
This was more about xcloud than anything
I don’t know. His wording was cleverly typed. It feels like he’s saying it won’t be integrated for now.... Or get built into the OS someway or another.
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Sounds like this was all just a way to kill off Mixer and endorse an alternative that isn't Twitch or Youtube.
I think you are right. Amazon seems to have a game streaming service up their sleave and want it to go along with Twitch (click-and-play stuff). The same is true for Google with their Stadia streaming service.
A talk entitled 'Xbox Series X + Project xCloud = New Chapter in Gaming' is airing on Mixer next week. Microsoft hasn't specifically said the talk will include new information, but the interaction between Series X and xCloud (Microsoft's game streaming service) is still relatively unexplored.
Airing: Wednesday, March 18 at 11:40am Pacific / 2:40pm Eastern / 6:40pm UK (that's March 19 at 5:40am AET).
Great, MS is about to release more info on the Series X, while Sony is talking about releasing a three year old game on the PC and keeping radio silence on the PS5.....good job Sony.
They also talked about releasing Dreams, The Last of Us and Ghost of Tsushima for PS4, probably 3 of the best games of the entire generation of consoles in a single year, but ok, might as well leave all of that to the side to start talking about a product that we cannot even buy until the end of the year
Only with gaming we have the need to talk and reveal things so far in advance, for cellphones as recently as last month they did the official reveal of the Samsung new line of products to release this month and nobody complained.
Yeah Sony is really dropping the ball with all this silence about ps5, and MS releasing all this info about specs for the new system that won't be out for about 8 months minimum. I guess in the meantime, PS4 owners will just have to settle for playing all these amazing games coming in the next few months. Hard times indeed.
mrmike - Sony are doing a great job, with what little information they've released your still thinking/talking about them.
Imagine they actually do release some information - you're likely to explode with excitement.
I'd say that's a job very well done.
I'm confused here why do guys think both companies have to announce details at the same time 🙄 Sony and Microsoft both have their own plans. I swear you guys are so dense not mention Sony was the first to go in full detail about their next gen console but apparently now their dropping the ball because?
Funny how things like having to pay for Xbox live to play free to play games makes no noise while you are worried about next gen... since there is no current gen for Microsoft. 😂
Cod br just released and is completely free on psn... Xbox? 😂
And I’m sorry, where do the ghost, final fantasy, last of us 2 conversations fall into your “talking about three year old games”?
Stupid is stupid does.
Xbox has zero games coming out unless u can prove me wrong? Last of us 2 which is likely gotg also ghosts tsushima and dreams and others. Whikst you've only got text on your screen lol we've got actually AAA games untill Ps5 releases this year
@father_merrin
Ori and the Will of the Wisps comes out tomorrow. You have been proven wrong.
Does it take you all 8 months to make a decision about next gen? Good God you all think Sony is going to reveal something because of crying internet folk.
Don't feel bad. If Sony talked about PS5 before this live stream, no one would pay attention to the live stream. People cared more about Sony not saying anything, than MS actual spec reveal, so since the specs are out of the way for MS, and people are already lukewarm or icecold on xCloud, it's probably best for MS that Sony is staying silent.
@generic
Reeducation crusade? LOL, a bit melodramatic there. Pointing out mistakes is how people realize they've made an error.
@genericgamer01
"We all know that most people that say this say it incorrectly"
If that is the case, then shouldn't correcting people be encouraged?
@generic, didn't your grandmother ever correct you for saying the wrong thing? I know mine did so it's become somewhat of a habit to do the same. Otherwise people will go through life using the wrong expressions and never be told they are using it wrong. I'm not saying we are all grammar Nazis but just people helping people. Is that so bad?
@generic
So let the dumbing down continue? I don't get where people started to feel like they didn't need to learn anymore
@generic
Yeah your right, let's educate stupidness. People that say/do things wrong, need to be corrected to educate them and make the human race smarter.
You can watch TV, on your TV!
A unique selling point of the X1 at the reveal.
That's irony. This is just them talking about game streaming, on a live stream.
Or maybe it is just because GDC has been re-scheduled, so rather than not speak about what they would have at GDC, they are just doing a live-stream.
Maybe.... just maybe...
Ummm...yeah. That's probably why they're doing this. It makes sense. I was responding to the OP though, which said that this was ironic, which it really isn't. I provided an example of irony in the process.
It's almost like these conferences aren't needed, and they can distribute the same information they would have at these conferences by using live streams. Who'd have thought that was possible in this day and age. I heard it wasn't. Ironic huh?
The virus thats going around is affecting everything all the same...yet Microsoft is still finding the resources and energy to get info out there to gamers and devs...I don't know why others can't do this same thing...
I mean...we know it will be eventually...wouldn't be too smart to just put it on the shelves without saying anything haha. However, we should have been hearing things especially since they they were suppose to be at events that they pulled out of.
I'm subscribed to Playstation YT channel and to playstation on twitter among various video game developers and I haven't heard anything concrete about the PS5 other than a few rumors here and there.
Cant talk for nintendo as I dont follow any of their social media stuff and only pick up what I read here and other sites but as for sony...
April 2019, october 2019 and January 2020 for ps5 stuff.
Twitter and YouTube official channels have videos daily of what's coming to playstation, both big and small.
Ghosts release date was just announced,
Zero dawn for pc just announced,
Not listing all the other releases due but they all have videos up of those too.
I'd say they are doing a fine job of getting the info that they want to convey out there to their fans.
We had ps5 stuff in april, october and January, more will follow when sony decides its time🤷♂️ they said as much on their ps5 signup page.
Good God......stop trying to make everything about Sony. Just be happy about the livestream. I know I am.
You mean like the interview posted today where they talked about putting Horizon on PC, and talked about some other stuff about their future plans, and games they were making?
That kind of thing?
I mean, if they're talking about that, maybe that's just more important to them to talk about right now. I know its strange to put stuff you're doing relatively soon and want to promote over something that will overshadow all that, but business are crazy like that and stuff.
Announcing PS5 specs right now will satiate the crowd that wants to act like Sony is doing poorly, and some of these media types who need to criticize Sony because they can't find anything interesting to talk about from MS own spec reveal. But if they have other things to talk about, that's Sony's call.
And you don't have to worry about Sony getting with devs. They've been doing PS5 support and discussions with devs for quite some time now. Devs don't need the gaming press to relay that info to them. They know this stuff long before the press, these leaks, and especially forum goers. Sony, and even MS, have places and resources available to get info out directly to devs, where the devs can talk directly back to them. Heck, if I wanted to, I could call up my Sony support representative tomorrow, or send him an email right now, or post on their forums, and get any information that I have NDA clearance to get.
MS is doing this stuff now because they feel the time is right. Sony isn't, because they don't feel the time is right. It's as simple as that. It's not about ability to distribute this info, it's the desire to.
I forgot Mixer even existed. Of course, I didn't know there was a "Facebook Gaming" other than Facebook owning Oculus.
LOL
I guess all those millions they spent to buy Ninja didn't pay off. Not to mention buying the failing beam platform. Oh well just chalk it up with Zune, Nokia and all the other failed projects Microsoft has thrown billions at to try to compete in markets that don't need them.
Interesting
Damn that sucks. There's actually a lot of cool streamers on that platform.