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Horizon: Zero Dawn 2 Should 'Steal' The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild's Best Feature

Horizon: Zero Dawn offered a lot of impressive features on the PS4, but its sequel should borrow from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.

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-Foxtrot57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

Isn't it trying to be a bit realistic though? It should offer you more places to climb or grab onto, I mean even little boulders and the like in Horizon which could obviously be climbed couldn't because it had no "climb" point on it, I always got annoyed when it happened if you jumped into a shallow river but had to go the longer way round to get out since Aloy wouldn't climb up the small ledge. Despite all this it shouldn't be a feature where it allows you to climb anywhere with only your bare hands like BotW, it should make you craft key gear and do something similar to Death Stranding but once you've crafted it you'll be allowed to reuse it over and over.

Hayter45656d ago (Edited 56d ago )

The whole climbing on specific yellow points got bit annoying and took out the exploration of HZD. Many places you think and should able climb you couldn’t.

Smclaren198556d ago

Yeah I agree it was annoying but you need to remember it was there first attempt at an open world RPG they blew me away graphically the game is unmatched in 4K on pro, they also wanted to add flying too but the Slow hard drive prevented it can you imagine what horizon 2 will be like with the ps5 oh man I can’t wait

telekineticmantis56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

There are better ways they can add to the sequel to get around the map, I prefer them add the Grip Stamina meter, BOTW took from Shadow of the Colossus.

indysurfn56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

@Hayter456 part of what you said is:"HZD. Many places you think and should able climb you couldn’t."

NOW you tell me! LOL....You now how many times I tried climbing extra high.

I can't wait to see HZD2!!! Even If x1x came out with 15tb system HZD2 graphics will not be able to be TOUCHED by Microsoft. Those DEVs!

bouzebbal56d ago

Not same genre, just move on

janus22555d ago

HZD was developped for a 1,8 Tera console. Imagine HZD 2 with 10T+ and super SSD. We gonna look "Avatar" with a pad dudes.

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LoveSpuds56d ago

I know there are plenty of people who seem to hate BotW but I have to say, the climbing Vs stamina worked beautifully in my opinion and did lead to a much broader sense of exploration. If this was implemented into more games I would be delighted.

I can't say not having those mechanics detracted from Horizon however. I adored Horizon and will snap up a sequel in a heartbeat.

Razmiran56d ago

Yeah, the only negative was that rain was annoying

Ausbo56d ago

I don’t know how many times I’d start climbing a mountain, only for it to start raining and me sliding down all the way to the bottom.

When people say the climbing system was “revolutionary”, I laugh.

The Wood56d ago

why do people ignore the grip/stamina mechanism in sotc

Pro retro tip

If you shoot the lizard tails you can consume it for increased grip/stamina. If executed correctly the lizard will run away and grow its tail back over time allowing you to repeat the process. Hit the body or head and you'll only be able to consume the benefits once as the lizard will be dead....

Thomaticus56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

I think the developers wanted people to explore with the machines as the threat. If you focus on climbing things then you take away from the game itself. The climbing vs stamina worked well in botw. But I don't feel that it's necessary in Horizon. I rather focus on traversing the land and gaining new abilities which will allow me to defeat newer more difficult monsters as a means of allowing me to access more of the map. In sotc it was necessary to have stamina to defeat monsters, essentially it was a part of the combat, which made it a good mechanic.

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rainslacker56d ago

Yeah, I found myself often climbing parts of mountains to get to places where I'd spend quite a while working my way up, and there would be areas it looked like I should be able to go to, but when I got to them, they were points you couldn't jump on, or shimmy across, and you'd just slide back down.

Even understanding the reasons behind it in terms of design, it was kind of disappointing....although not uncommon in open world games in general.

Atom66656d ago

Skyrim and Far Cry take the cake on artificial barriers for me. So many steep inclines...jumping up sideways...hoping for a flat spot...ugh.

But more traversal paths would definitely be welcome in HZD2.

lifeisgamesok57d ago

Horizon Zero Dawn 2 can be a 95 rated game with just a few improvements

Better melee
Flying mounts
More dynamic open world

If it has these then we're not ready 😍

isarai57d ago

I think flying mounts are certainly going to be in HZD2. Guerilla said they wanted flying mounts in the first one but the PS4 cpu couldn't keep up so they had to cut it. Given that info i feel like they'd use the CPU leap next gen as an opportunity to revisit that idea.

lifeisgamesok57d ago

Yes, I truly hope so. The PS5 should be able to stream the world fast enough now :)

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cyclindk56d ago

What about aquatic?! Hehehehe :)

AnnaDea56d ago

Better melee?

Tell me one game that has better melee than Horizon that is an open world rpg?

The tight controls and the ai of the enemies is insane for an open world game to be honest.

Horizon 2 for PS5 will be insane though.

st_vex56d ago

Dragon's Dogma?
But I think there is many other games.

Decadent_Descent56d ago

Well I can't think of any on the market as of yet, but I'm betting Elden Ring will. Not to say that I have a problem with HZD's melee though, because I thought it was good.

WGAF56d ago

But HZ melee is practically almost non existence no ! Did you even play the game?

Assassin's creed Origin, odyssey, botw, dragon dogma (one of the best melee action open world game out there,), black desert (mmorpg), Batman Arkham, spiderman, etc....

Ah, this must be a trolling thing, got it.

AnnaDea56d ago

"Assassin's creed Origin, odyssey, botw, dragon dogma (one of the best melee action open world game out there,), black desert (mmorpg), Batman Arkham, spiderman, etc...."

I said open world rpg and the idiot gives me 2 assassins creed games (that has shitty combat...), Dragon's Dogma is good, but still an ordinary rpg mechanics, Black Dessert is a mmorpg (gg genius), Batman is not even a fucking rpg jesus, and not either Spiderman, I mean come the fuck on...

I should recommend to play Horizon first.

It's quite obvious that enemies and their behaviour is miles ahead of the dumb ai that is most modern games.

Not saying that it is perfect.

Troll yourself...

WGAF56d ago

Hum troll confirmed lol. How can you even compare the melee aspect when it doesn't even have any, even if you dont like other melee mechanic of other games? Jeez even witcher (phenomenal game, but melee is weakest) has some dedicated melee mechanic.

Tell me, what can you do using melee in HZ, since you assume I dont play it? Actually, do you even know what Melee means?

Also, what would be consider an RPG?

Sunny_D56d ago

Maybe they can expand on the one button use for it. Also maybe make it bit smoother.

Z50156d ago (Edited 56d ago )

Final Fantasy 15
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Razmiran56d ago

The melee in Horizon was attrocious

AnnaDea56d ago

"Hum troll confirmed lol. How can you even compare the melee aspect when it doesn't even have any, even if you dont like other melee mechanic of other games? Jeez even witcher (phenomenal game, but melee is weakest) has some dedicated melee mechanic."

Are you retarded?

You have dedicated buttons of R1 and R2 to use your spear and a large arsenal of weapons like tripwire etc. I mean, wtf?

"Actually, do you even know what Melee means?"

Close combat, make yourself useful and take up a dictionary while you are at it.

"Also, what would be consider an RPG?"

You can google that urself and look up games that are labeled as rpgs.

Good luck calling Spiderman a rpg.

TyrellCorp56d ago

I'm also confused, I loved HZD and the sequel will be day one for me no doubt, but the melee system was easily the worst part of the game. Spamming square, no upgrades, no combos, clumsy, not even a light/heavy attack variant if I recall correctly

Atom66656d ago

What makes HZD an "rpg" more so than the other games listed?

Character building, skill trees, weapon/armor upgrades, side quests? Aside from trying to use it to fit your very specific narrative here, plenty of games mentioned are just as much as an "rpg" as HZD.

And the overall point is a good one. Melee was the weakest part of the combat. Dismiss them all you want, but the last two AC games are probably more of an RPG than HZD, and melee was much deeper and better performed.

Whether it's the Witcher or something out of the Souls/Nioh arena, there are plenty of "rpgs" that GG could look toward for inspiration. Even the best games can be improved. This is one area where I expect GG will really step up for next gen's sequel.

Edgelordsupreme56d ago

Ahhh yes the insane ai of the enemies that gets foiled by tall grass.

septemberindecember56d ago

@AnnaDea

Assassins Creed Origins and Odyssey are open world RPG's though.

WGAF56d ago

Thanks for the definition lol. Can you also search for back hand smacking meaning while you are at it :)

It would be really sad if you ctually aren't trolling.

King_Noctis56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

“ I said open world rpg and the idiot gives me 2 assassins creed games”

Assassins’s Creed ARE open world games and there are some RPG elements in that game as well.

“ Dragon's Dogma is good, but still an ordinary rpg mechanics, Black Dessert is a mmorpg (gg genius), Batman is not even a fucking rpg jesus, and not either Spiderman, I mean come the fuck on... ”

I’m surprise you can find ways to downplay all those games in just one incoherent sentence. Might as well just say every games sucks and Horizon is the best game ever made.

“ Are you retarded? ”

I would want to ask you how old you are for using childish insult, but we all know the answer anyway.

AnnaDea56d ago

"I’m surprise you can find ways to downplay all those games in just one incoherent sentence. Might as well just say every games sucks and Horizon is the best game ever made."

oh, how cute, what was your argument now again accept being some arrogant millennial?

"I would want to ask you how old you are for using childish insult, but we all know the answer anyway."

Way older than you considering the lack of argument in your post that only contains your word diarrhea.

Try to stay on topic or do you just want to still your ego?

The Wood56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

I platinum'd the game but cant remember if there was a block. There sure wasn't a parry so yeah, improvements can be made.. why not. Every aspect of most games can be improved including HZD despite it being a terrific change in direction for GG... They handled that well and undoubtedly learnt along the way. Cant wait for a sequel.

Razmiran56d ago

Usually people who claim to be way older than others are little kids

nitus1055d ago

There are plenty of games that have melee.

1. Dragon's Dogma (@st_vex) - Climbing on an enemy is awesome but most of those escort missions do spoil the game.

2. The Souls/Borne games - enough said.

3. NioH - High, medium and low stances coupled with five different weapons (discounting rifles and bows) with the ability to customise (see blacksmith) their attributes and actions. Also, you can learn Ninja and Onmyo skills.

As for melee in HZD, you do have a light and powerful slash but you can't upgrade the spear (+1 for most of the game) much. What I liked in the game was using traps and stealth. Bows and slings were the only weapons that had any range (ignoring stones). Fighting pretty much any robot with a spear is extremely risky and should be considered a last resort while something like a behemoth or thunder jaw is positively suicide.

MrSwankSinatra55d ago

melee is trash in horizon so cry more little cunt.

AnnaDea55d ago (Edited 55d ago )

"melee is trash in horizon so cry more little cunt."

After reading your comment history it hit me that you're one of those basement incels that can't even spell correctly or even make a correct sentence without yelling some yell word to make you seem intelligent.

Go back and wank to call of duty and leave the comments for this for the grown ups.

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Bruh56d ago

I think the story needs some better pacing and better writing. I enjoyed learning the lore than I did the actual main story arc the game took us through. Not to mention side quests were very bland, but the DLC’s side quests were much better so I have no doubt they’ve upped that department already.

Otherwise I loved this game and really do hope it comes as early as Feb next year on the 5

Hayter45656d ago

Hope to see many improvements in the sequel.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH56d ago

Climbing would fit in well in HZD’s world. Let’s just hope the devs don’t go the weapon breaking route like BoTW...

ClayRules201256d ago

Oh, that’d be so annoying lol.

Decadent_Descent56d ago

I'm not against weapon durability mechanics, they just needed to tone it down a little in BotW.

Sunny_D56d ago

What you never had a sword break in 3 uses? Are you using swords right? /s

But for real, I enjoyed BOTW for the most part, but can see why people hated it.

Movefasta199356d ago

A little? In certain mini boss fights, i'd shatter three to four weapons and fire a few arrows before beating them. They need to tone it way down, at least let us unlock an item in the game that allows us to keep durability at 100 when we have it equipped, or at least slow it down.

AnnaDea56d ago

No, I'm tired of these totally free roam open world games. I rather have games that tries something and concentrates on that.

Breath of the Wild was some open empty shit that got boring after 15 hours.

anonymousfan56d ago

Totally agree. Never saw an emptier open world than BotW at least on current gen. And yeah I am tired of games that drag everything out forever even Red Dead Redemption 2 was just overwhelming for me I gave up. I love me some big budget AAA but who has 50 hrs + to sink into a game? I am willing to make an exception for one single game in my life that is TES IV =D such a long wait.

Sunny_D56d ago

Me personally if a game is gonna drag on, it needs to have fast mechanics. No forced slow walking, crazy long load times, or slow animations.

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