Final Fantasy VII Remake’s Battle System Has Made Xenoblade Chronicles' Hard to Enjoy

Omar writes: "FFVII Remake's incredible battle system made the flaws in Xenoblade Chronicles stand out more than when I played the game on the Wii."

[PhoenixUp]

I played Xenoblade just because I heard its combat system is highly similar to FFXII’s.

The evolution of the combat system through the series hasn’t hindered my enjoyment of earlier titles, so idk how it’d affect enjoyment of other series

[Shiken]

I enjoy both just fine. Shame the author does not know the difference between an action RPG and a regular one.

[Babadook7]

FF7R isn't an action rpg. Its a turn based RPG with minor action elements. Its also an amazing update to the rpg formula. I agree with twinfinite to that extent.

[luckytrouble]

FF7R is 150% an action RPG that simply has some turn based friendly elements lol

It's like saying Kingdom Hearts isn't an action RPG.

[Hayter456]

You still parroting that it is a turn based game.

“ WELCOME TO MIDGAR – FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE AVAILABLE NOW Highly Anticipated Action RPG Arrives”

This is from Square Enix own press release. I don’t know why you think FF7R is a turn based game? Have you ever played a turn based RPG?

[UglyGeezer]

I think it's more of an ARPG with ARPGTB elements insofar as it has ARPGMMO elements ..........shoot me

[Babadook7]

It has an ATB gauge just like the original, the action literally stops (or nearly stops) for these decisions based on the passing of time as well as attacking to fill it up faster. That fact is counter to an action game. It is most often described as an RPG.

Genre: Role Playing Game (RPG)

https://www.playstation.com...

Click on the description given by the developers and we see this.
With a mix of traditional command-based combat and real-time action

The remake literally has every element of the original FF7 combat with the ADDITION of some action based elements that serve mostly to pass time for the ATB. That does nothing to diminish its status as an RPG.

[Shiken]

@Babadook7

I bet you do agree with them, since you don't seem to know the difference between action and traditional RPGs either.

[Babadook7]

Some of you are showing not only your ignorance, but your bias as well. So let's get into this.

Is FF13 an action RPG?

No. It's a turn based JRPG.

Is this gameplay based on that combat system?

Almost everyone recognizes that yes it is. But with additional basic action elements.
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

Therefore FF7 remake is literally an RPG (specifically JRPG) with action elements. Not a full fledged Action RPG. It is derived from an RPG and has turn based elements and real time elements. Dark souls and Zelda are examples of action RPGs. FF7R is not.

[Gardenia]

I wouldn't say Xenoblade has a regular RPG battle system. It's more like an MMORPG.

[Shiken]

My point is that it is not an action RPG. But no, it is not turn based. I would not call it MMORPG either though, as the battle mechanics get much deeper in Xenoblade than any MMO has. Kind of just does its own thing really.

[Immagaiden]

Both of them are action RPGs

[Razmiran]

Eh, no

[Fraggle1987]

Ff12 battle system made xenoblade hard to enjoy. Basically xenoblade is a poor mans ff12. Also of course ff7 remake is different but much better too.

[esherwood]

As a fan of rpg’s I’ve always heard of final fantasy games but everyone I try I don’t understand the hype. I’m liking xenoblade way more then I liked ff15 and every other one I tried. Xenoblades story I feel is way better then anything I’ve seen in a final fantasy game. Xb2 I watched just watched the 30+ hours of cinimatics on YouTube and it’s incredible

[Hotabang]

Try ff's 6-10
Ignore everything after 10

[Antnee534]

You did your self a big disservice not actually playing it

[Outlawzz]

I prefer xenoblades battle system actually. Haven't played ff7 but i know enough to know their not even related

[averagejoe26]

You prefer one and have never played the other?

What a moronic thing to say.

[Outlawzz]

@averagejoe26
I was referring to ff12, there were three games referred to in the original post *facepalm*

Calm the salt there friend, you comment just to make a useless insult.

[Hayter456]

Xenoblade Chronicles - 92% Metacritic
FF7 Remake - 87% Metacritic

The author needs to learn about the differences between a action RPG and a traditional RPG. Author seems like more hack and slash gameplay and most likely hasn’t played that many JRPGs.

[TricksterArrow]

You'd have a point if you didn't asspull those Metascores to try and prove something. Mass Effect 2 has a 96, so I guess people prefer an Action RPG afterall? Wtf does that even prove?

[Hayter456]

Persona 5 - 95% Metacritic

That is a JRPG. What are you trying to prove with Mass Effect? Some people like JRPGs some like Action and some both. Xenoblade is not a action RPG.

[Babadook7]

@Hayter
Thats the original.

Xenoblade Chronicles Definitve Edition- 89% OpenCritic
FF7 Remake - 88% OpenCritic

FF7R isn't an action rpg. Its a turn based RPG with minor action elements.

[Hayter456]

“ Final Fantasy VII Remake is an action role-playing game developed and published by Square Enix” Wiki.

It definitely is not turn based. Even though you have to attack and build your ATB to use special attacks. You don’t wait your turn to attack neither does the AI. I am aware it has a mode where you can play it as turn based.

As for the Xenoblade it is still the same game.

[Babadook7]

It is certainly turn based with action elements. The main strategy is turn based.

You can't pretend the old reviews are more applicable than the new ones. Old reviews are compared to their time period.

[Hayter456]

Here you go buddy from Square Enix own press release.

“WELCOME TO MIDGAR – FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE AVAILABLE NOW Highly Anticipated Action RPG Arrives”

Don’t know why you thought it was turn based?...

[averagejoe26]

Nope.

Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition (which is the game we're talking about) - 88%

Nice try though, as if these scores even matter. Other comments have already torn your logic to shreds.

[PCgamer98]

I love the xenoblade/ffxii combat and I think it's the perfect blend of turn based and action combat compared to ff vii classic mode.

[Outlawzz]

I remember when I played Witcher 3 and the game had such great story that now I can't play games anymore, it made it hard to enjoy anything

So I stopped playing games altogether. Also witcher's combat made it hard to enjoy xenoblades and ff7 too so I agree completely with the author. /S

[PhantomTommy]

Remake's combat can be a frustrating mess thanks to the piss-poor AI and constant character switching. Xenoblade's combat gives you zero control over companions and too often feels like the combat boils down to break, hope that the AI does topple, then daze, chain attack. Has everyone just forgotten that Final Fantasy 12 was a thing? Even just a simplified version of the gambits system would improve both games drastically.

[AnnaDea]

FF VIIR is an action-rpg while Xenoblade is a real time turn-based jrpg.

So two different approaches.

[GrizToof]

I think Xenoblade Chronicles 2 had an amazing battle system once you learned how it worked, which took me a long time. Xenoblade Chronicles battle system is good, not as good as 2s in my opinion and it's very enjoyable to play. I've played through FF7 remake and for me it does not make XCs any worse.

[execution17]

And that takes a long time to actually learn how to use it, which is why I stopped playing it since its pretty slow at the beginning (plus hearing "let's show them a thing or three" over and over got annoying

[TheGamez100]

One of the things I really wished xenoblade 2 had. You can't control all of your party members and not even commands. And I've been thinking this since it's release which was before ffvii remake. I do hope more action jrpgs implement something similar to vii remake's. This is the reason why I love turn based rpgs.

[Nitehawk]

Both have their own styles, need to continue enjoying.

[jznrpg]

Sucks for you . Both are good games

[shammgod]

i am glad that i can enjoy more than one battle system

[ominix]

To be honest, Persona 5 Royal made it hard for me to fully enjoy Final Fantasy VII battle system. Not a huge fan of the action style and much prefer turn based battle system. Going from P5R to FF7R felt like it got drastically sluggish. Still enjoyed it just the same though.