Xbox has shared Sony's message regarding the situation that is occurring in the USA with the whole riot and so forth.
Ahhh, if only fans could show this level of solidarity. I would love to be proven wrong, but watch someone come in here and make this negative somehow.
What we need to know and disclose is that the loud, racist, spoiled and idiotic minority is just that: the numerical minority. As many of these are unoccupied, resourceful and mean they make it look like the gamer community is like that. A part is, but only the part that speaks a lot for having nothing to say. We will do like Sony, Microsoft and other publishers and take sides for the majority, which is good. Those people who deserve a voice. We will drown these spoiled racists in their own saliva. We will give value to the good, not even more voice to the bad.
Racism always existed, and will unfortunately still do. Social classes is racism, the rich getting richer poor getting poorer and they cannot co exist is racism.. Voting laws against minorities is racism. People are only looking into skin color racism, and some idiots are using it as an excuse to rob, loot kill for pleasure.
Bouzebbal, A missed opportunity to stick your landing. Social class discrimination is not racism. That, my friend, is known as classism. You can be profoundly wealthy and lose it all; you can be raised in abject poverty and make millions later. You can be born rich, get poor , and reclaim wealth status, ad nauseam. You can change your socioeconomic status (though the odds are very often profoundly against you). You can't change the color of your race, no matter what Rachel Dolezal says.
While the optics look bad, has this been determined a hate crime? I just haven’t seen any evidence that race played a part yet? I see everyone and companies jump to it being a race-based crime yet no evidence of such yet. It seems counterproductive to fight police brutality which this clearly was if the source has not been determined. All I know is that Minnesota’s police manual says you can put your knee on the back but not on the neck while most large police departments say you can’t put your knee anywhere on the back.
@gamer7804, Finally someone gets it. There is no doubt news organizations have flipped over every stone in this officer's life. No racism. Bad policing and/or brutality. But not racism. Yet that is the first place everyone went. From what we know the facts do not fit the narrative of racist cop so let's ignore the facts. However the reality is that thus far it is not an incident involving racism. Then again, people have skewed a great many facts to suit their wishes or to maintain what it is they want to believe is true. No one wants to admit they have been played by certain elements with an agenda. The WSJ article is behind a paywall but this piece discusses it. https://www.dailywire.com/n...
Agree with alot of this. But don't forget everyone deserves a voice, to suggest otherwise creates a far bigger problem.
@gamer7804 Yes, there is no evidence show that the killing was driven by race. However, there are so many examples that prove that blacks (especially black men) get treated differently than whites for the same crime. THis is what you consider a systematic racism. You can easily google it and you will receive hundreds of example of this. I just saw a video of a white guy who resisted arrest, they had to go into his car, pulled him out and when he got out. He took the officers baton, hit the officer with it, got into the police cruiser and drove off. If that was a black man, guns would have been drawn, the black if lucky would have been tazered or would have been shot. This is just one example of systematic racism.
I know it might not seem like it at times, but the vast majority of gamers are awesome people who don't see color. And some like myself renounce racism. I'm a writer, a graduate of Texas State with a liberal arts major. I'm currently using my platform to do the most important thing I can at this time, listen. Hopefully, all this will be over one day (the end of racism) and we can get back into the fanboy war lol.
@ Littletad Unfortunately Racism will Never change Long as white race think they "Better" than any race "white" supremacy still exists. they don't want to be Equal to any minorities. Facts of life..... Wake up to the Real world..... I'm Chinese
@Retroman I assure you I know that racism will always exist in some capacity. I got maybe 25 good years left in my life to be a peaceful activist and make a difference in the world AROUND me as I can. My minor was also Sociology and I studied social inequality exclusively. I am by no means an expert on all things life, but I do know and understand my privilege, however small. What I can do, is speak up and more importantly (like I said up there) listen. Stay positive.
This is all a load of sh*t, all these companies coming out with these statements about how tolerant they are.. yet not a single one has condemned the reaction to his death.. the rioting is UNACCEPTABLE, this guys one death was TERRIBLE, and the cops are TERRIBLE PEOPLE. but you know what.. these riots are WORSE.. not even by a little bit... they are FAR WORSE.. why? because now MORE people have died and quite literally places are being lit on fire, looted, people are getting the sh*t beat out of them... yet what do all these "WOKE" companies say about it?... *crickets*.. or they endorse it. But ONE black guy get's killed by a white guy and it's "Better make a statement about this" Absolute clown world.
@sono I agree with your opinion on the rioting bug if you think this issue is one black guy getting killed by a white guy then you're a disengenous idiot.
@Retroman What a wonderfully bigoted statement, fucking racist. You do realize that "white supremacists" are an extreme minority, right? People like YOU are the problem. And that has absolutely nothing to do with you being Chinese. Imagine a white person typing that same fucking statement about any other race. Get your head out of your ass.
@Retroman WTF did you just say? Your country literally removes blacks from movie posters, and imprisons muslims. Unreal.
" Unfortunately racism will never change as long as white race think they are better then any race" This is a huge part of the problem. Generalizing an entire group of people and assuming they think they are better then any other is " racist in itself " . Racism will never change as long as you continually accuse an entire race of people of racism because of the color of their skin.
@Retroman It's statements like yours that just create more hate and division. You are guilty of the very racism you claim others are guilty of. Not all white people think they are the master race. I don't know why there are so many statements like this that seem intent on alienating anybody that actually wants equality. I am white but I don't care about that or the color of anybody else's skin. I can tell you I am furious about the police actions in this particular case as an American. Cops are supposed to work FOR the citizens not against. But I'm also hesitant to say anything or speak out because I know people like you will pop up and tell me I cannot understand, or I don't know what I'm talking about, or tell me I am the problem. I have never owned or endorsed the owning of slaves, I do not treat people a certain way or make assumptions based on race or ethnicity. I help those who are down despite trying their best. I myself was a victim of anti-white racism and bullying (ass-kickings) in school. I am a "live and let live" kind of person. I love this great country and how diverse it is. I can only hope that SOMEDAY we can get past seeing only skin color. I hope someday we can get to a point where we are all equal. Obviously we still have a ways to go...
Problem is, now you aren't allowed to say you don't see color. When people lose their jobs, like an nba broadcaster because he was asked about blm, and said all lives matter every single one, and he was fired for that and called a racist. I saw quite a few activists talking about you have to see our color. So I am not sure what you are supposed to do now.
REMIX from what I've seen from his comments this far, racism doesn't exist.....and people are only rioting because of this one death...... how naive is that. It's weird to see non blacks getting caught rioting and vandalizing too......and ignored.......I even see some guts tackling two white women spray painting blm on a store front......I see some shady old white guy smashing windows.......these agents are efficient af and yes, blacks were looting too
The vast majority of people are generally pretty decent. There is a wide swath of opinions and world views for every matter under the sun, from complete indifference, to extremely proactive. I dont think most people would look at this case and not feel like something wrong wasnt done. I think most would also not be for any kind of systematic discrimination. But, I also believe that everyone, no matter how good, also has levels of unconscious bias formed through their own life experiences or exposure to any number of influences that may also make them discriminate either actively, or just think discriminatory thoughts. It may not be racism, but there are other isms or things that may be offensive. This is just human nature, and sometimes its extreme and open. Other times people may think things, but not actively act on them in a discriminatory fashion. It's just the nature of the beast, but in today's society, there is no in between, and everything is made into an us vs them scenario to the point where if I hear white privilege again, it just makes me wonder if a decade of college, multiple degrees, and working my ass off to prove I could do a job was worth the effort because I'm white. Then I look at all the white people who arwnt getting ahead in life, but blame others, and realize that i did the right things. Black people, and women do have more going against them, I'll readily admit. But at the same time, there are, nor should there be no free passes, anymore than there should be systematic application of holding others back over superficial things. Anyhow, sorry for the side tangent rant. My mind tends to go into overdrive sometimes.
*** Facts of life..... Wake up to the Real world..... I'm Chinese *** Man, that is not how you win an argument. I mean, China pretty much kicked out black individuals due to COVID concerns before Trump even went on his rants against China. They have a commercial where they wash a black guy into a Chinese guy. And they treat tourists like this https://www.nationalgeograp... .
"who don't see color" That's not a good thing, if you don't see color, that means you don't see a part of a person. You need to see color, you just don't need to discriminate because of it.
That has already started with the downvoting.
Everyone is doing it. No need together
I see your point, but doesn't change the fact that xbox $ucks a$$
When sony and Microsoft care about other inhuman practices happening to people in other countries, and act the same way they did with this one, then you will see people caring and not bitching.
I think most people stand with what the protests are about. Almost everyone is against the riots. But the division seems to be on if Sony should have postponed its event because of what's going on.
How ignorant is that lady at the bottom - I feel sorry for her girls (11 and 14). Hopefully there's an end in sight and all the opportunists get sorted out.
It's a troll account. Just the name and the photo should give it away.
This whole situation has been hijacked by Antifa, anarchist groups and people who think it's fun or funny to burn police vehicles, beat up defenseless people, burn buildings, loot stores, break windows and chant mindless slogans. The sooner the President can bring these rioters and looters to justice, the better. Everything these idiots are doing is only making things worse, but I suppose that's what the people who are behind the organizing of this crisis are looking to do.
I'm glad more and more people are starting to see Antifa for the actual fascists that they are.
George Soros owns the Antifa movement. He should be banned from the US just like what Hungary did and Russia.
I thought this video from a former BLM organizer in Ferguson was interesting. It makes some sense but then again, most conspiracies do. https://youtu.be/TD3GjkikUy...
Both the far left and far right are loving this. They want to see people pick their side. That's just crazy extremist people though. Smart people know better.
Yup. But still buy ammo and protect you and yours.
I remember watching this video back in 2015, and this guy is totally spot on.
@Veneno Unfortunately, the "smart" or what we'll call moderate people who aren't on the extreme, rarely have their viewpoint discussed. They discuss it amongst themselves, in forums like these, but the media loves to show the extremes. This is true in almost everything that is newsworthy nowadays. Us gamers have been seeing it with the SJW movement, and even the entirety of the console wars, is mostly two sides of the extreme expressing their opinions. The vocal minority is making everything and everyone seem like they're completely irrational, and because of this, there is no middle ground that can be had. Generalizations and anecdotes rule the roost, and until the moderate center finally gets the attention that they probably should have above the extremes, it's not going to change.
2015?! That aged well.
I was hoping for some insulting and insane comments. Wow, you boys actually delivered.
[email protected] there are some crazy right wingers on this site I personally wouldn’t pay them no attention.
What's really dispiriting is how crazy the right wingers are insisting the left wingers are. And for anyone's information, for what little it means, I'm a moderate. Which means I like to think I can look at both side of an argument and realize which portions of either side is utterly stupid. How conservative and liberal will make something from whole cloth and cling to it as gospel. What the actual fuck is wrong with you people?
So, us vs them. There can be no middle ground. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a crazy person from the other side....and there is no reason to classify left or right being worse than the other, because the extremes of both sides tend to be extremely hostile, stupid, and completely disregard anything other than them getting what they want. As what I'd classify a moderate, but probably more left leaning on most issues, but conservative on others, I'm honestly getting rather tired of either side talking for me as if there is only an all or nothing scenario or conclusion. I'm tired of extreme political views being taken and made into agendas which fail to bother to either address an issue fully, or(and often always do) completely disregard the diversity of thoughts within this country. I'm insulted as an American, that the people who want to say "Real American" think that anyone who doesn't agree with them is less American, because they made up their own asinine metric for what is American. I'm insulted by those who say that people that try to be rational are just the other side of the extreme. As a moderate, all I can see is the extremist of both the left and right side are ruining this country more than any given thing that they want to complain about on a daily basis. So, don't pay attention to the "right wingers". The right wingers don't have to pay attention to the left wingers. But at some point, the moderates are going to grow tired of both, just like the extreme right grew tired of the extreme left, and elected trump despite all logical sense not to do so, and then both sides can end up realizing that the moderates greatly outnumber both sides combined. At that point, maybe we can go back to what it used to be, where these extreme ideologies never got attention, because they were rarely rational, and usually pretty stupid. Maybe the internet will stop giving them a sounding board for their idiocy, or they can be seen as the village idiots they used to be before we had to fill a 24/7 news cycle, and support it with things that kept people engaged so that cycle could make ad revenue. Although I think I'm hoping for too much.
Black live matter. Thanks you Sony and Ms
Apparently they don't matter much to some police in the US.
The sad thing that it's been going on for eons now. If some of the problematic police don't change their hearts & minds & learn the error of their ways police brutality will not go away. Some habits are usually hard to break.
Tony Timpa's life didn't matter either and the worst part is that the sick f**** were making jokes and laughing https://www.youtube.com/wat...
That's effed up imalwaysright...doesn't matter what race the victim is...its effed I think the ratio of these incidents is being wilfully ignored especially the fatal ones. They don't match the population ratio. I'm no way saying every race doesn't get efffed by dirty or under trained officers just saying that those who can't or wont acknowledge systemic race issues either haven't experienced it or just haven't been paying attention. Theres layers. It isn't some false dilemma where you can choose to be either a bad cop or a racist cu*t .....you can be both or none at all
I think it's a complex situation, and not all of these cases are products of racial prejudice. I also think some of the cases through the years don't show the whole story of how some of the apparent instances of brutality got to where they did, nor the situation that may have led to a shooting. But, things like that are hard to say as a generality, because if you do, you're being dismissive or defending injustice, which leads to other claims of the person saying them being racist, or not caring. For someone like me, I tend to be extremely pragmatic, and highly compartmentalized, so when I see or hear about things like this, I often have a reaction, then if it's important enough, I learn more about it, then I form multiple opinions or view points on it. For instance, in this case, I don't know what led up to the restraint, but I do know that when a suspect is detained and restrained, and they are subdued, you stop trying to harm them. If a person is in some distress, you try to stop the distress, even if it may just be fake as you may see if you ever watch Cops. In this case, I can still side with the cause of trying to stop the systematic reasons why these things keep happening, but not be on board with the reactionary way that people jump to conclusions, or say that not enough is being done, when things are being done....like knowing that things like this are investigated shold they come to pass. On the larger scale, I know there are hundreds, if not thousands of police precincts or jurisdictions in the country, and while some have attrocious things happen from them, not all of them are like that, and I know that most cops are respectful, but I realize some of this is also going to be cultural to any given area where those cops may be working. The problem I have now, beyond the actual case at hand, isn't so much that there are protests for such things. I'm always for injustice being corrected. Rather my problem is that despite stuff like this going on for quite some time now, there seems to be no remedy. This is how I think the protesters feel, but I think they are thinking about the wrong kind of remedy. There is no leadership which actually does what needs to be done to change things like this from being a rare occurrence. There is outrage, then the protesters, then the oppurtunist(not looters, but the so called leaders who don't manage to get anything done) playing on the feelings of those who are upset. But when things die down, they don't follow through, and keep people engaged to do their civic duty in productive ways. It always follows the same pattern. Something bad happens. People react, then reaction grows. Media highlights it, it escalates, and some ordained in some way community leader speaks out and gets more people to react. Media, and people in general, stop caring, then protests die down, protesters go back to their daily lives, still upset. Nothing happens after that. Next thing happens, and people are upset again. I don't feel these protesters should be blamed for their lack of follow through. I doubt the vast majoirty of them would even know how to proceed. But I feel if real change is going to happen, then real leaders need to step forward, and figure out how to effect change. The civic community leaders of today are ineffectual on a large scale. They either lack the ambition, or knowledge, or leadership skills to make things happen on a large scale. Until that changes, nothing will change.
@imalwaysright Jesus... How did this not make bigger news?! If we really want to end police brutality we need to make it a big deal every time. Why the hell are these guys sedating a non-responsive person? This stuff pisses me off. I feel for all the good cops made to look bad by these jokers.
But, do YOU honestly know what that means? When people say "All Lives Matter" its usually to dismiss or ever register that the use of "Black Lives Matter" concerns someone who has died. Bad enough I have to question both Sony's and MS consumer ethics and morals as they manufacture consumer interaction into the management and control of cattle on a production line, but now I'm really wondering who understands when this arguments such as this crop up, with increasing regularity from Floyd to Sandyhooks - that there are bodies on one side of the "discussion".
To me the issue is greater then ethnic background, color, religion, sexual alignment, political alignment, or whatever. As far as I am concerned there is a general problem of providing every person on the planet a fair chance, respect, and dignity. People do not have a right to exclude people just because you don't like them, feel uncomfortable with their beliefs, color, or just plain disagree. Every person should have the right to exist equally, earn a wage that allows them to feed their family, and believe what they want as long as they are not pushing it down someone's else's throat (not a reference to the Floyd thing). My way is not necessarily another person's way, and I value that because different approaches solve different problems. Diversity makes us stronger. A single view or approach is often dangerous. Unfortunately, people don't think that some people deserve a fair chance, respect, or dignity. Anyone that thinks that way is worse than everyone else. I have spent a lot of time travelling the world, and one thing I have seen and learned, is that no matter where I go, if you make people desperate, they become more desperate doing more desperate things, and that isn't a choice that is a circumstance. So, the more people ignore the real issues here the more people become desperate and will do desperate things. Right wing people are choosing to focus on the looting and crimes of a few rather then the issue. The left wing is focused on this one wrong, but there are many others. People need to wake up.
I think all lives matter, but I also think that most people who use it as a counter to the "XXXXX Lives matter" slogans really don't comprehend what those people are trying to say. The slogan is one preaching equality of those who are not seen as equal. I think all lives matter, and I've even said it as a response to people who use the more specific slogan, but that's usually towards people who seem to want exceptional treatment, as opposed to equal treatment. As far as who understands what....I think most people that understand this stuff aren't really talking about it to the point where they become what we'd call a vocal group...minority or otherwise. If we really looked at it statistically, this matter may be of passive interest, thus passive thought to the vast majority. Many will have an opinion, most won't show more than the most passive of support. Retweet some slogan or picture. Say something on a forum showing support. So on and so forth. It's just not in our nature, and never has been, to have mass outcry to the point of the majority showing active engagement in the community. Even major revolutions don't tend to have the masses involved....although many may support such revolutions.
People who say all lives matter are missing the point either through ignorance or a lack of understanding of why the slogan was coined in the first place. Nowhere does it imply other races lives don't matter too or only black lives matter and yes I also see alm used as a counter to any blm protest or speak.
Behind closed doors .... Microsoft and Sony share profits with components. while gamer's brag and complaining who is better. In the business world they work together competing with technology.
It just gives me more time to make fun of Sony and MS. Many of these companies want to delay their events, but they better make sure when the event finally happens that it will be really good. Sony: We hope to continue to censor comments about The Last of Us 2 that have already been leaked. It should bother us that Sarkeesian helped with The Last of Us 2, but it doesn't matter to us. MS: Our next event will actually not be pretty much a turd. This is our promise to you! We would never lie to you!
not together, or dont need to do it together,. Everyone is doing it.
I honestly think its impossible for us to all be on the same page and not be divided. Unless we had to fight off an alien invasion.
If a global pandemic can't bring people together, then what makes you think that an alien invasion would? You'd still have people arguing about how to handle the aliens, even if there was no possible way to defeat them, and we were all going to become their slaves, or be vaporized. The "real Americans" would get their guns, the "left wing libtards" would get their flowers and try to talk it out peacefully, while making sure the Aliens weren't using toxic chemicals that would pollute our water sources. Truthfully, if we even don't go to the absurd with an alien invasion, if the US were to go to war, and a war happened on US soil, and somehow that invading force could manage to defeat the US war machine, I doubt Americans would even accept a regime change like you can commonly see in any number of eastern European or Middle Eastern countries. I think many other parts of the more advanced countries in our world would probably be about the same. These movies and games that like to show the zombie apocalypse, and how mankind is now just disparate groups of people struggling to survive seems like they're putting a lot of faith in human nature, and being extremely optimistic about the survival of our species.
Unless these corporation sound off on all Injustices then they should just stfu. Cherry picking hypocrites! Make your stupid ass game consoles and f*ck off!
Yet all those who major issues around the world no one cared. HK, Uighur, Myanmar, Syria, Yemen etc
Never saw this solidarity for Hong Kong 🤔
Guy can someone give me insight. Its very unfortunate what happened to George but has it been confirmed it was an act of racism? Would it still be the same outcome if it was a black police officer who had killed a white or other ethnic group? Just not sure why everything is condemmed as racism, despite how unfortunate it is.
If you are asking this question, you will need to back to about 1850 and then catch up to now. I'm not trying to insult you but, this is the reason why we as country are still dealing with this kind of injustice against people of color, ESPECIALLY African Americans
Yes because every single black person is a victim. Its only white people who can be racist is this world. Ofcouse its ok when the Chinese government does cause they aint white.
I don't agree with that. There have certainly been cases where the reaction to an apparent injustice was used as a means to cite racism, and stir up protests, or at least lots of people being upset. Not saying it's the case here, but police are trained to be forceful when subduing a suspect. Yes, sometimes they take it too far, but not everything I've seen from these videos through the years is more than I'd see on any given episode of cops, and more often than not, they don't show what happened leading up to that point. The police often even have their own cameras nowadays, either in their cruisers, or wearing them on their person, and they rarely ever release those to the public, mostly because they'll be part of an active investigation. Then there are some of the shooting instances as well. People say the suspect was unarmed. But, did the suspect comply with police when asked to show their hands, or get on the ground? Police are trained to not take chances, and if a suspect is thought to have a weapon, and shows aggression, which I hate to say I know a lot of black people do towards the police, in particular in certain socio-economic areas of big cities, then if the police feels that it can escalate, or a weapon can be pulled, they're trained to shoot. Police are also trained to shoot to kill, not just wound. You don't aim for the leg, because it's a small target. My point isn't to dismiss that there are indeed racially motivated injustices on the part of the police, but rather that assuming its racially motivated is what causes things like this to blow up, and I'm going to say even more, adds it to a list of offenses that are being used to cite these things as a systemic problem. This in turn only adds fuel to the hostility that is growing against the police by these communities, and in some cases, I don't feel it's always warranted. I don't think that PSVitaBuzz is wrong in wanting to know the facts. People should want to know the facts, because protesting something off the back of something reactionary, ends up being diminished should it come out that what they're protesting isn't the case here. Just look at any given console war discussion. Surely nowhere near as serious as what's being discussed here. But, lets say that something bad comes along. Then it's proven that what people reacted to wasn't true, or borne from misinformation. What happens next time something like it comes along? Isn't the common method to discredit something someone saying, "Kind of like that one time -insert prior example here-". It happens almost daily around here, and people that want to resist productive change love to dismiss with anecdotal false equivalencies.
It's not right to assume racism. We need to get the facts. If you want every action of a white person to be assumed racism and every action of a black person to be assumed not, that is just more racism. And you are fighting for supremacy, not equality. Twice as many white people were killed by the police over the last 5 years than black people. There are examples of equally disturbing police brutality against whites as well as every other color of skin. If we want to stop police brutality, we need to operate on facts without inserting assumptions.