UK dev source: We can't check game saves to add Trophies retroactively, Jan 1 cut-off confirmed

A UK development source has confirmed to VG247 this morning that all PS3 titles entering submission after January 1, 2009 must have Trophies implemented, and that it's actually not possible to retroactively add Trophies to existing games.

[pwnsause]

"it's actually not possible to retroactively add Trophies to existing games."

I think we know that, (goes back to what happened with Burnout Paradise)

I still believe that there are some games that should get patched for Trophies though:

-MGS4
-Fallout 3
and a few that I dont remember.

[Le-mo]

What about in-game music, Sony? :(

[tristanmike]

Fallout 3 trophies are coming.

[Fishy Fingers]

Weren't some of WarHawks trophies retroactive?

[hay]

Well, that depends on data stored in savefile. If there's something that may be validated as a trophy, they do it. Like dunno, number of kills, or some special achievements that are saved in a file. All those things that game saves normally. In most cases trophies are a bit more sophiscated and most of those things aren't saved, so for some titles only a part of trophies can be retroactive.

[Fishy Fingers]

Yeah I understand, if it is based around something the game already tracks it maybe possible to make them retroactive (kills, death, time spent, games played etc), but many games like GTAIV track everything, surely some of those trophies could of been made retroactive?

[Tragedy]

...have retro-trophies, because all stats are stored on remote Sony servers. So you cant cheat and copy someones save files.

[darkdoom3000]

Warhawk is online, all its trophies (minus the 3 tutorial ones) are online. and i dont think you can even transfer the save file either. so yeah. no way to share the file. so no way to cheat = possible retro trophies. also the retro trophies were based off ranks and stuff. which were stored on online severs regardless of save file.

They could Patch a game like DMC4, which had a achivement like system, and the system save file (which stored your settings and "acomplishments") was locked so you couldnt copy. but capcom said that their system was good enough *cough* too lazy *cough*

[hay]

When tropies include what game tracks in saves, yeah, it's possible to make it retroactive. But it's still up to devs.

[pixelsword]

a lot of games also have a single player, so any in-game achievements will have no way of being tracked.

[Ju]

I don't think it has to do with the saves. More like if progress is controlled thru a server rather then stored localy. Merc's got trophies, some pop up retro, but the save file can't be copied. But maybe if you have a copy protected save, it would be possible to enable trophies for non online games. R2 OTHO can be copied and still has trophies, same for WH and a lot of others. But these are online games, usually.

[BrianC6234]

"When tropies include what game tracks in saves, yeah, it's possible to make it retroactive. But it's still up to devs."

It isn't really possible to have the trophies be retroactive. There's no way to make sure you did what the game save says you did. Trophies are supposed to be a big deal so Sony just wants to make sure you really earned them. I'm starting over Uncharted. I played it before I got an HDTV anyway so now I can play it in HD and get trophies.

[Why o why]

was the best way. New challenge mode that unlocked the trophies. Smartest way to play the game again without the frustration of knowing you've already done it before

[riksweeney]

Nope, the frustration's still there, I can't get one sodding trophy :(

[TheFreak]

I like that trophies are added with a patch a few weeks/months after the release date and that they are not retroactive.Just gives me a good reason to play the game again. As long as the online trophies are retroactive its all good.

[Xulap]

So I am not the only one who thinks like that. :)

[Sitdown]

you guys are pretty much saying you prefer not to have trophies there from jump...so that you can justify playing a game again? Yeah, I do not think that I can buy that.......if that is the case, you can play a game through and get the trophies, and then delete your game data and go back through it and get the trophies again. I guess I can not wrap my mind around being excited for developers to release a patch, rather than just having them available from jump.

[Cyberwaste]

They were retro-active on battlefield bad company, the online ones that is.

[pp]

Day one Achievements on Xbox360 we didn't had to worry about this ever.

[Max Power]

and you can also cheat by downloading game saves.

[Danja]

U gotz only one bubble..when did this happen..wow you must have really pissed off alot ppl at once...

[Capt CHAOS]

But sometimes, only bubble is all that's needed.

Let him his rant, this is the Open Zone after all. ;-)

[Danja]

PP doesn't need more than one bubble...but he's been a troll on this site for quite awile now....i've never seen him with less than 3 bubble..

ne ways he has duplicate accounts he's the 360 version of Nasim...

[Magic_The_Celt]

Dont mind so much there worth getting

trophys own achievments

[Rob0g0rilla]

Or people would cheat and there wouldn't be a point.

[PirateThom]

The online ones can be retroactive because it's linked to your PSN ID on a server, not the save file, meaning it's basically revalidated and unlocked the next time you log in.

Hell, even Mercs 2 had "retroactive" trophies, if you were at 100% with a fraction when you downloaded the patch, you got those trophies because it automatically assumed you had just reached that level.

It just depends on what stat the game is tracking at the time.

[Pennywise]

Yeah well, burnout dropped the ball on that one. 100% and none were retroactive. Made me sick on release. No way will I play that all over again.

[HardcoreGamer]

its a great game but its too lacking in the callenging department its sometimes just too slow paced, as you have to find vehicles etc. i havent tried the jetpack yet im guessin that will be so fun