If things go to plan with Xbox Game Pass, Microsoft won't need you to buy an Xbox Series X.
Yeah. Like any other console. There are people who will buy it and those that won't. Xbox is providing options.
Not like other consoles...Microsoft is making all their games cross gen and putting them all on PC.
Microsoft is supporting their own operating system (Windows 10) and Xbox consoles.
hence... options. You make it sound like MS should turn their back on the PC crowd simply for the sake of selling the SX? They are in the business to provide entertainment and services for people to enjoy. Selling a dedicated console is just a vessel for which that to happen. They dont own the PC but they do own the console and selling services and games to both is beneficial to their bottom line.
It's factually not like any other console. Name one console that launched with all it's games on PC and all it's "next gen" games available on the previous console.
And that's the reason I won't ever buy an Xbox. Microsoft has save me money because I didn't want to buy three consoles. I also like the fact that Microsoft added gamepass on PC! I actually think it's cool.
You just found another way to say 'options'. Just like any other console, not everyone is going to buy one.
Yes options to not buy the console to play their games, unlike any other console. And unlike other consoles if you don't buy it you don't play the games, go play some Switch games on you're PC.
I love how you didn't use PlayStation as an example because you know some of their games are coming to PC soon : ) .. Horizon Zero *cough* *cough* dawn. Options.
Uh, sure whatever you say. I love how you haven't refuted anything I have said.
And that is consumer friendly! Especially with smart delivery or play anywhere. That is a plus for us gamers!
I'll refute it - you're just being redundant at this point. Microsoft will sell their games on PC and console and people inclined to choose either of them will choose either of them and likely won't consult caddytrek. Refuted.
Caddytrek - do you give it a rest lol
Yeah MS can take their “options” and shove it. They want to make consoles obsolete because they cant compete with their games so they are trying to sell monthly subscriptions.
@caddytrek I do not understand your argument? Wherever Microsoft games are sold, on whatever platform, is still a software sale? Profit is in software and services, so....
I'm siding with caddytrek on this one, and i'm an xbox-first guy. Having games available on PC and cross-gen absolutely devalues the Series X, and pretending it's no different than other consoles is silly. If PS5 comes out of the gates with some killer multiplayer games / shooters (they probably won't), then i'd likely go with PS5 first, and play xbox exclusives on my One X.
No, they're not making ALL their games cross-gen. Seriously? you might want to check on that tons of people have PCs that don't game on them.
@Echo_ " I love how you didn't use PlayStation as an example because you know some of their games are coming to PC soon : ) .. Horizon Zero *cough* *cough* dawn." Okay, Desperate. Tell me the definition of "some" and list only one game again. A game that's been out three years. Don't manipulate and twist facts. What's wrong with you? Manipulating conversation to push an agenda over a box..
true caddytrek, its another feather in the series x cap, if you have a capable pc you can play games multiple ways with your friends and family without having to shell out for 2 gaming PCs just 1 pc and one xbox, or multiple xbox consoles. the feather that makes it even better for me is the support for previous gen consoles for a while and nearly all accessories.
The best option would be to sell their “game pass service” on the PlayStation platform. Why not? If they don’t care to “sell their new console” then why not make their games available to the highest selling console on the market?
DID any of you bother to actually read the article? because if you did, you would know that Gamespot was talking about Gamepass and project X cloud, and in no way or shape were they talking about the game available also on PC.
So people who were never gonna get an Xbox anyway( which is most of you that bring up the "iTs gOnNa bE oN pC" argument) will play on PC. And those who always play on Console will get an Xbox 🤷🏾♂️ Not that hard to understand. I will never game primarily on PC. The only time I play on PC is if my friends are playing an MMO or something. Or if the game makes sense to play on PC like Wasteland 3 or Age of Empires 4 when it comes out. And i get to play both because I got GamePass Ultimate. I just prefer to play on Xbox.
Options? Yeah of course and the majority of gamers will choose the option NOT to buy an Xbox or GamePass or anything to do with Xbox. That's just the way it is.
you might want to pull the gilded stick out of your ass.
The only thing I understand here is that most or all of ms games will then be developed as a service and sell microtransactions and season passes. Doesn't look good for nice Singleplayer experiences.
Then you don't understand because your speculating bassed on nothing but your own dislike for a company.
Most games have passes and dlc
I wish i could play on my playstation games on my pc and then save...then move to living room pick up save on playstation and save...and the take my s20 ultra and my playstation controller and pick up the save on the go but i cant...but with my xbox I can. I can literally play my xbox games anywhere. Hope sony gets to this point one day....sad day when more options for gamers are turned down from one side because their box is "better" this site is just full of immaturity and biterness. Yea sont sells more congrats thats great i fully support sony. Just grow up people. And FYI most people saying i can just play on pc...well good for us its a postive thing only people making in not positive are trolls. And good luck playing your pc games at 4k im sure everyone has a $500 or more gpu that supports ray tracing. XboxPC-XSX-Xcloud= I just cant grasp why certian people think this is bad for gaming...it truly blows my mind. Ps5/Xbox/PC/switch support them all even if you dont own it. It good for everyone stop being so petty.
You can use remote play if you really want to play games on your other devices.
Have you used remote play. Its not even close. And also have to be on wifi as far as phones..making it pointless.
being Petty ignorant and childish is they're Hallmark. just like the solid state drive in the new system is going to be the game changer and "revolutionize" how games are delivered, and the cell processor was such a "genius" piece of hardware, no one wanted to program for it for years, and they can't make it to where you can play a single PlayStation 3 game on their new system. and who's going to be essentially responsible for their cloud services?,
👆 What he said!
Options or not, there's a good chance that MS is selling a console that I may never buy. Buying a game on PC, which is likely where I'd end up buying any game I want from them since I don't see the point in buying a whole console for their exclusives, isn't buying a console IMO, no matter how much xbox fan boys want to make it one. Selling a service to play games on PC or console through streaming or other means, also isn't selling a console, no matter how much the fan boys want to make it into one. Maybe I'm just old school, but I generally consider console sales as actual sales of the console.....not some twisted metric to provide numbers to a company that doesn't even care to release them anymore. I also don't really care that much about any companies MAU's, because the metrics to measure those is all over the place, and more a measure of potential for MS, than actual usage or sales of their products. The metric makes sense when they're relaying them to investors to support the idea of potential revenue, which is what most of their cloud based business structure is centered around. It's just one of those wacky silicon valley things where people invest money over potential, instead of actual performance, and something MS doesn't even need to do to get investment, but here we are. I have nothing against what MS is doing when it comes to expanding their platform, but those things they're expanding still aren't console sales, just expansions of their platform, which as of now, have not been measured to see if they really improve on the overall brand.
Lol whatever. Incorporating xCloud into Game Pass isn't doing to bring next gen games to phones and current gen hardware. Not enough bandwidth
Maybe not enough bandwidth in a 3rd-world country like America
Lol that was funny
Not sure what they told you but the U.S. is sort of a superpower bud, now why dont you crawl back into your communist peoples apartment complex and play your xbox.
@S2 that's racist ;)
CaptainCook routinely engages in posting fiction so....
Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of Xcloud!?
I shouldn't have said next gen games won't come to phones, etc. It's already possible, however streaming at 4k isn't going to be a very good experience no matter where you are. Stadia doesn't work very well and xcloud isn't 4k yet. Even Phil Spencer thinks a console is and will be the best way to play. "I think I'm gonna have a game console plugged into my television for the next decade-plus. I think it's going to be the best way for me to play on my television - to have a local device, download the game, and play". https://www.gamesradar.com/...
It's a nice segue for a hot topic debate, but no executive has flat out said they don't care if you buy their consoles or not. Instead simply stating that how many subscribers and how many games you sell is where the money is at. And truthfully, that's not wrong. Most consoles are sold at a loss.
PS4’s all sold for profit, Nintendo switch all sold for profit, sorry which consoles don’t make money? 🤔🤷🏻♂️ 😂
Sony Makes $18 on each PS4 sold According to research firm IHS, it costs Sony $381 to make each PlayStation 4, which then sells for $399.99. (2013 data) Wow, $18 off a 1 time sale, whereas 1 game costs $59.99. Contrast this to the PS3 launch, where Sony paid around $800 to make each PS3, selling it for a substantial loss. There you go, PS3 is one console that sold at a loss
DJ Stotty wow only $18 per console... now let’s times that by 110 million. 😑 were talking this gen but yes launch model ps3 was sold at loss as it had lots of extra ports and features they soon removed all those and then the remainder of that gen the consoles were sold at a profit ps3 slims weren’t sold at a loss and they sold millions of those also towards the end of the gen.
“ RosweeSon6h ago(Edited 6h ago) DJ Stotty wow only $18 per console... now let’s times that by 110 million” The point isn’t how much they’ve made off consoles, but the point is the purpose of the console they sell at a loss or almost a loss in order to get people onto the ecosystem and purchase software which has higher profit margins. That’s literally why these consoles exist For better or worse, MS is cutting out the middleman, and instead of saying “let’s sell software to this small pocket of Xbox owners”, it’s “let’s expand our ecosystem and sell our software to more people”. That makes sense to me I also have no doubt they were put in this position because of the huge beating they’ve been taking all gen, but so what? Fact is it’s happening, and it’s being rolled out in a way that’s beneficial to average gamers
yeah, real big money... 😏
And when people buy that console, chances are, they're going to buy a game. Sony makes most of their PS money on licensing fees for games that release on the system. Every game that is put on the system, even if they don't make it, pays a pretty good sum to be able to release on the system. Sony also takes a cut of all digital sales, so it's kind of like double dipping. MS and Nintendo use this same business model. One of the reasons they moved away from PC gaming last gen was because they couldn't make money off it other than their own game releases, so they had the misguided idea that they'd sell more consoles if they didn't support PC. $18, or whatever it is now, per console sold may seem trivial in the grand scheme of things, but that's because it is. But, the fees for sub services and software sales, and even their own games which sell quite well, is pretty substantial.
PS4 certainly did not sold for profit at the beggining of the generation https://www.trustedreviews.... Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 that sells hardware for profit most likely due to having an online service that isn't even close to being of the same caliber as PSN and Live. Both Sony and MS will gladly take a hit to sell as many consoles as fast as they can because software and services is where the bulk of the money comes from.
@DJStotty Sony is not making 100% from selling games, developers get the biggest cut, Sony gets only from their exclusives/owned IP. Consoles, VR, Accessory, Subscriptions - it's the whole package, but Consoles are the most important. That's why we see it getting reported all the time, on how much it got sold with milestones like 110mil. What you are doing is just a damage control for Microsoft, kinda wack.
exactly. do I want to sell you a console one time? or do I want to sell you over a hundred games during the course of a console cycle, and beyond.
Some do both. Some are incapable so they have to . . . . .lol. . Well we all saw how it played it. .
Microsoft plans are greater than a console. They want a ecossystem.
Like they wanted to take over the living room. Worked out well for them.
I'm not saying it's going to work. I'm just stating what they are trying to do. Plus that is Microsoft plans for every single one of their segments, from personal user devices to corporated solutions.
I don't know about you but Im seeing a huge influx of people working from home now and when not using the tv for games or watching tv/movies, they are hooking up their PC and using it as a big ass monitor and using MS teams for video conferencing (among other options). Lives have been changed and the increase in PC use at home is increased 100X what it was. So the living room, the garage, the basement, the kitchen, the den... the bathroom. Yeah MS is taking over the whole damn house.
They’d be lucky to take over my toilet at this rate.
Darth So because people are using their PCs more it means Microsoft is taking over their houses? My god, I've heard it all. Also I love how you guys use Windows as a fallback to Microsoft's success because you know Series X just isn't it.
Yet they’ll end up with nothing. People don’t buy a games console for an ecosystem... they buy it for the console 🧐, oh wait no it’s because of the first word.... GAMES.
Yeah, that is why they want a ecosystem, not a console. It's really not that hard to grasp.
Vits an ecosystem is money based in this sense and I have no interest in their money they can have mine but not for any eco systems I want games and then I’ll buy their console it’s really not that hard to grasp release great games for your GAMES console and the people with their money for more games and all the extras will come, the extras are a bonus/complementary service not the main focus of the games console. Clues in the the titles. Yeah if you can’t supply the first word in your 2 word description there’s something clearly wrong and your in the wrong business. You want multimedia boxes.
I think an ecosystem can compel someone to stay within a brand. There is that psychological effect of having to start all over with something new. Big ecosystems or services with lots of users can half ass things more because they're so entrenched, and people often don't want to leave. This isn't a hard and fast rule of course, and plenty of examples of giants going the way of the dodo, but if a particular ecosystem keeps people invested, it is a powerful tool to keep people within a brand.
@ricegum, your all-encompassing knowledge about a product that hasn't been released yet, is just astounding... or maybe it's just your witless bias.
They are not trying to repeat the original XOne strategy. The whole point is getting you into the brand being it by means of actual hardware and/or services, that is why they are focusing so much in expanding their brand on PCs with the Xbox App and Gamepass, why they are putting resources on cloud solutions and why they will offer to rent the console to people so you don't even have to buy it in order to use it.
Problem is, Microsoft wants to be first, but they can't. That's the reason why they try to sell on subscriptions rather than on consoles. They already gave up on console sales, so they are going for subscriptions. And that won't make consoles sell, But it will still have a great play base because crossplay will be huge next gen.
Yup they want to give you a choice choose microsoft or microsoft.