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With Xbox Series X, Microsoft Is Selling A Console You May Never Buy

If things go to plan with Xbox Game Pass, Microsoft won't need you to buy an Xbox Series X.

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Echo_5d ago

Yeah. Like any other console. There are people who will buy it and those that won't. Xbox is providing options.

caddytrek5d ago

Not like other consoles...Microsoft is making all their games cross gen and putting them all on PC.

CaptainCook5d ago

Microsoft is supporting their own operating system (Windows 10) and Xbox consoles.

darthv725d ago

hence... options.

You make it sound like MS should turn their back on the PC crowd simply for the sake of selling the SX? They are in the business to provide entertainment and services for people to enjoy. Selling a dedicated console is just a vessel for which that to happen. They dont own the PC but they do own the console and selling services and games to both is beneficial to their bottom line.

caddytrek5d ago

It's factually not like any other console.

Name one console that launched with all it's games on PC and all it's "next gen" games available on the previous console.

CaptainHenry9165d ago (Edited 5d ago )

And that's the reason I won't ever buy an Xbox. Microsoft has save me money because I didn't want to buy three consoles. I also like the fact that Microsoft added gamepass on PC! I actually think it's cool.

Echo_5d ago

You just found another way to say 'options'.

Just like any other console, not everyone is going to buy one.

caddytrek5d ago

Yes options to not buy the console to play their games, unlike any other console.

And unlike other consoles if you don't buy it you don't play the games, go play some Switch games on you're PC.

Echo_4d ago

I love how you didn't use PlayStation as an example because you know some of their games are coming to PC soon : ) .. Horizon Zero *cough* *cough* dawn.

Options.

caddytrek4d ago

Uh, sure whatever you say.

I love how you haven't refuted anything I have said.

DiRtY4d ago

And that is consumer friendly!
Especially with smart delivery or play anywhere.

That is a plus for us gamers!

SyntheticForm4d ago

I'll refute it - you're just being redundant at this point. Microsoft will sell their games on PC and console and people inclined to choose either of them will choose either of them and likely won't consult caddytrek.

Refuted.

Doggy1234d ago

Caddytrek - do you give it a rest lol

S2Killinit4d ago

Yeah MS can take their “options” and shove it. They want to make consoles obsolete because they cant compete with their games so they are trying to sell monthly subscriptions.

DJStotty4d ago

@caddytrek

I do not understand your argument? Wherever Microsoft games are sold, on whatever platform, is still a software sale?

Profit is in software and services, so....

gamer94d ago

I'm siding with caddytrek on this one, and i'm an xbox-first guy. Having games available on PC and cross-gen absolutely devalues the Series X, and pretending it's no different than other consoles is silly. If PS5 comes out of the gates with some killer multiplayer games / shooters (they probably won't), then i'd likely go with PS5 first, and play xbox exclusives on my One X.

L7CHAPEL3d ago

No, they're not making ALL their games cross-gen. Seriously?
you might want to check on that
tons of people have PCs that don't game on them.

sinspirit3d ago

@Echo_
"
I love how you didn't use PlayStation as an example because you know some of their games are coming to PC soon : ) .. Horizon Zero *cough* *cough* dawn."

Okay, Desperate. Tell me the definition of "some" and list only one game again. A game that's been out three years. Don't manipulate and twist facts. What's wrong with you? Manipulating conversation to push an agenda over a box..

gamer78043d ago (Edited 3d ago )

true caddytrek, its another feather in the series x cap, if you have a capable pc you can play games multiple ways with your friends and family without having to shell out for 2 gaming PCs just 1 pc and one xbox, or multiple xbox consoles. the feather that makes it even better for me is the support for previous gen consoles for a while and nearly all accessories.

PepsivsCoke3d ago

The best option would be to sell their “game pass service” on the PlayStation platform. Why not? If they don’t care to “sell their new console” then why not make their games available to the highest selling console on the market?

Petebloodyonion3d ago

DID any of you bother to actually read the article?
because if you did, you would know that Gamespot was talking about Gamepass and project X cloud, and in no way or shape were they talking about the game available also on PC.

Zeref3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

So people who were never gonna get an Xbox anyway( which is most of you that bring up the "iTs gOnNa bE oN pC" argument) will play on PC. And those who always play on Console will get an Xbox 🤷🏾‍♂️

Not that hard to understand. I will never game primarily on PC. The only time I play on PC is if my friends are playing an MMO or something. Or if the game makes sense to play on PC like Wasteland 3 or Age of Empires 4 when it comes out. And i get to play both because I got GamePass Ultimate. I just prefer to play on Xbox.

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sushimama4d ago

Options?

Yeah of course and the majority of gamers will choose the option NOT to buy an Xbox or GamePass or anything to do with Xbox. That's just the way it is.

L7CHAPEL3d ago

you might want to pull the gilded stick out of your ass.

dadano4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

The only thing I understand here is that most or all of ms games will then be developed as a service and sell microtransactions and season passes. Doesn't look good for nice Singleplayer experiences.

deepdishdj3d ago

Then you don't understand because your speculating bassed on nothing but your own dislike for a company.

kingjohnm3d ago

Most games have passes and dlc

CatchThemAll4d ago

I wish i could play on my playstation games on my pc and then save...then move to living room pick up save on playstation and save...and the take my s20 ultra and my playstation controller and pick up the save on the go but i cant...but with my xbox I can. I can literally play my xbox games anywhere. Hope sony gets to this point one day....sad day when more options for gamers are turned down from one side because their box is "better" this site is just full of immaturity and biterness. Yea sont sells more congrats thats great i fully support sony. Just grow up people. And FYI most people saying i can just play on pc...well good for us its a postive thing only people making in not positive are trolls. And good luck playing your pc games at 4k im sure everyone has a $500 or more gpu that supports ray tracing. XboxPC-XSX-Xcloud= I just cant grasp why certian people think this is bad for gaming...it truly blows my mind.

Ps5/Xbox/PC/switch support them all even if you dont own it. It good for everyone stop being so petty.

GamingTomarow3d ago

You can use remote play if you really want to play games on your other devices.

CatchThemAll3d ago

Have you used remote play. Its not even close. And also have to be on wifi as far as phones..making it pointless.

L7CHAPEL3d ago

being Petty ignorant and childish is they're Hallmark.
just like the solid state drive in the new system is going to be the game changer and "revolutionize" how games are delivered,
and the cell processor was such a "genius" piece of hardware, no one wanted to program for it for years,
and they can't make it to where you can play a single PlayStation 3 game on their new system.
and who's going to be essentially responsible for their cloud services?,

rainslacker3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Options or not, there's a good chance that MS is selling a console that I may never buy. Buying a game on PC, which is likely where I'd end up buying any game I want from them since I don't see the point in buying a whole console for their exclusives, isn't buying a console IMO, no matter how much xbox fan boys want to make it one. Selling a service to play games on PC or console through streaming or other means, also isn't selling a console, no matter how much the fan boys want to make it into one.

Maybe I'm just old school, but I generally consider console sales as actual sales of the console.....not some twisted metric to provide numbers to a company that doesn't even care to release them anymore. I also don't really care that much about any companies MAU's, because the metrics to measure those is all over the place, and more a measure of potential for MS, than actual usage or sales of their products. The metric makes sense when they're relaying them to investors to support the idea of potential revenue, which is what most of their cloud based business structure is centered around. It's just one of those wacky silicon valley things where people invest money over potential, instead of actual performance, and something MS doesn't even need to do to get investment, but here we are.

I have nothing against what MS is doing when it comes to expanding their platform, but those things they're expanding still aren't console sales, just expansions of their platform, which as of now, have not been measured to see if they really improve on the overall brand.

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ElementX5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Lol whatever. Incorporating xCloud into Game Pass isn't doing to bring next gen games to phones and current gen hardware. Not enough bandwidth

CaptainCook5d ago

Maybe not enough bandwidth in a 3rd-world country like America

S2Killinit4d ago

Not sure what they told you but the U.S. is sort of a superpower bud, now why dont you crawl back into your communist peoples apartment complex and play your xbox.

RazzerRedux4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

CaptainCook routinely engages in posting fiction so....

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PrinceAli3d ago

Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of Xcloud!?

ElementX3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I shouldn't have said next gen games won't come to phones, etc. It's already possible, however streaming at 4k isn't going to be a very good experience no matter where you are. Stadia doesn't work very well and xcloud isn't 4k yet. Even Phil Spencer thinks a console is and will be the best way to play.

"I think I'm gonna have a game console plugged into my television for the next decade-plus. I think it's going to be the best way for me to play on my television - to have a local device, download the game, and play". https://www.gamesradar.com/...

littletad5d ago

It's a nice segue for a hot topic debate, but no executive has flat out said they don't care if you buy their consoles or not. Instead simply stating that how many subscribers and how many games you sell is where the money is at. And truthfully, that's not wrong. Most consoles are sold at a loss.

RosweeSon4d ago

PS4’s all sold for profit, Nintendo switch all sold for profit, sorry which consoles don’t make money? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂

DJStotty4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Sony Makes $18 on each PS4 sold
According to research firm IHS, it costs Sony $381 to make each PlayStation 4, which then sells for $399.99. (2013 data)

Wow, $18 off a 1 time sale, whereas 1 game costs $59.99.

Contrast this to the PS3 launch, where Sony paid around $800 to make each PS3, selling it for a substantial loss.

There you go, PS3 is one console that sold at a loss

RosweeSon4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

DJ Stotty wow only $18 per console... now let’s times that by 110 million. 😑 were talking this gen but yes launch model ps3 was sold at loss as it had lots of extra ports and features they soon removed all those and then the remainder of that gen the consoles were sold at a profit ps3 slims weren’t sold at a loss and they sold millions of those also towards the end of the gen.

aconnellan4d ago

“ RosweeSon6h ago(Edited 6h ago)
DJ Stotty wow only $18 per console... now let’s times that by 110 million”

The point isn’t how much they’ve made off consoles, but the point is the purpose of the console they sell at a loss or almost a loss in order to get people onto the ecosystem and purchase software which has higher profit margins. That’s literally why these consoles exist

For better or worse, MS is cutting out the middleman, and instead of saying “let’s sell software to this small pocket of Xbox owners”, it’s “let’s expand our ecosystem and sell our software to more people”. That makes sense to me

I also have no doubt they were put in this position because of the huge beating they’ve been taking all gen, but so what? Fact is it’s happening, and it’s being rolled out in a way that’s beneficial to average gamers

L7CHAPEL3d ago

yeah, real big money... 😏

rainslacker3d ago

And when people buy that console, chances are, they're going to buy a game. Sony makes most of their PS money on licensing fees for games that release on the system. Every game that is put on the system, even if they don't make it, pays a pretty good sum to be able to release on the system. Sony also takes a cut of all digital sales, so it's kind of like double dipping. MS and Nintendo use this same business model. One of the reasons they moved away from PC gaming last gen was because they couldn't make money off it other than their own game releases, so they had the misguided idea that they'd sell more consoles if they didn't support PC.

$18, or whatever it is now, per console sold may seem trivial in the grand scheme of things, but that's because it is. But, the fees for sub services and software sales, and even their own games which sell quite well, is pretty substantial.

Imalwaysright3d ago

PS4 certainly did not sold for profit at the beggining of the generation https://www.trustedreviews.... Nintendo is the only one of the big 3 that sells hardware for profit most likely due to having an online service that isn't even close to being of the same caliber as PSN and Live. Both Sony and MS will gladly take a hit to sell as many consoles as fast as they can because software and services is where the bulk of the money comes from.

borneFROMblood3d ago

@DJStotty Sony is not making 100% from selling games, developers get the biggest cut, Sony gets only from their exclusives/owned IP.
Consoles, VR, Accessory, Subscriptions - it's the whole package, but Consoles are the most important. That's why we see it getting reported all the time, on how much it got sold with milestones like 110mil.
What you are doing is just a damage control for Microsoft, kinda wack.

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L7CHAPEL3d ago

exactly.
do I want to sell you a console one time? or do
I want to sell you over a hundred games during the course of a console cycle, and beyond.

The Wood3d ago

Some do both. Some are incapable so they have to . . . . .lol. . Well we all saw how it played it. .

Vits5d ago

Microsoft plans are greater than a console. They want a ecossystem.

Jin_Sakai5d ago

Like they wanted to take over the living room. Worked out well for them.

Vits5d ago

I'm not saying it's going to work. I'm just stating what they are trying to do.

Plus that is Microsoft plans for every single one of their segments, from personal user devices to corporated solutions.

darthv725d ago

I don't know about you but Im seeing a huge influx of people working from home now and when not using the tv for games or watching tv/movies, they are hooking up their PC and using it as a big ass monitor and using MS teams for video conferencing (among other options).

Lives have been changed and the increase in PC use at home is increased 100X what it was. So the living room, the garage, the basement, the kitchen, the den... the bathroom. Yeah MS is taking over the whole damn house.

RosweeSon4d ago

They’d be lucky to take over my toilet at this rate.

Ricegum4d ago

Darth

So because people are using their PCs more it means Microsoft is taking over their houses? My god, I've heard it all.

Also I love how you guys use Windows as a fallback to Microsoft's success because you know Series X just isn't it.

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RosweeSon4d ago

Yet they’ll end up with nothing. People don’t buy a games console for an ecosystem... they buy it for the console 🧐, oh wait no it’s because of the first word.... GAMES.

Vits4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Yeah, that is why they want a ecosystem, not a console. It's really not that hard to grasp.

RosweeSon4d ago

Vits an ecosystem is money based in this sense and I have no interest in their money they can have mine but not for any eco systems I want games and then I’ll buy their console it’s really not that hard to grasp release great games for your GAMES console and the people with their money for more games and all the extras will come, the extras are a bonus/complementary service not the main focus of the games console. Clues in the the titles. Yeah if you can’t supply the first word in your 2 word description there’s something clearly wrong and your in the wrong business. You want multimedia boxes.

rainslacker3d ago

I think an ecosystem can compel someone to stay within a brand. There is that psychological effect of having to start all over with something new. Big ecosystems or services with lots of users can half ass things more because they're so entrenched, and people often don't want to leave.

This isn't a hard and fast rule of course, and plenty of examples of giants going the way of the dodo, but if a particular ecosystem keeps people invested, it is a powerful tool to keep people within a brand.

L7CHAPEL3d ago

@ricegum, your all-encompassing knowledge about a product that hasn't been released yet, is just astounding... or maybe it's just your witless bias.

Vits3d ago

They are not trying to repeat the original XOne strategy. The whole point is getting you into the brand being it by means of actual hardware and/or services, that is why they are focusing so much in expanding their brand on PCs with the Xbox App and Gamepass, why they are putting resources on cloud solutions and why they will offer to rent the console to people so you don't even have to buy it in order to use it.

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borneFROMblood3d ago

Problem is, Microsoft wants to be first, but they can't.
That's the reason why they try to sell on subscriptions rather than on consoles. They already gave up on console sales, so they are going for subscriptions. And that won't make consoles sell, But it will still have a great play base because crossplay will be huge next gen.

tontontam03d ago

Yup they want to give you a choice choose microsoft or microsoft.