Scorn dev states that CPU is the game changer next generation

Ebb Software thinks that it's the CPU, not the SSD that will turn the tide this coming hardware generation.

[NecrumOddBoy]

Lol... okay buddy

Where is your gameplay to show us CPU power?

[isarai]

There's quite a bit of gameplay of scorn though...

[isarai]

https://youtu.be/NmVk76JTQs...

[Fishy Fingers]

I wouldnt go on the old gameplay too much. From the source interview:

"Basically 80% of that part of the game you saw has changed, let alone the rest of the game.”

The original gameplay was a demo for investers.

[sushimama]

That gameplay DOES NOT look 'next gen'.

[S2Killinit]

MS: quick get a developer to talk about CPU.

That gameplay looks alright. Borderline current gen i think. Iooks like its running on PC.

[monkey602]

Yeah theyve said that old build was a demonstration to show backers that they could in fact make a game but is entirely unrepresentative of the final product.

We do in fact have no idea how this game is going to play out.

But they do have my attention

[RpgSama]

I wouldn't brag about that footage, it has a wonderful art direction, but gameplay and graphics wise it looks not only really rough (understandable because it's alpha) but decidedly not "Next-Gen"

[KyRo]

Sushma, gameplay in general has hardly changed much since last generation. It's just more refined.

[brrdat]

how much of it displays cpu power?

[SyntheticForm]

@S2Killinit

S2Killinit: Quick, let's try to discredit the entire piece and the developer because he's making a game for Xbox Series X, and he's talking about the upgraded CPU more keenly affecting his work than any other component.

[Babadook7]

Quick let’s assume game changer refers to an individuals opinion as opposed to an industry wide objective truth.

[Donnie81]

Yeah I think this game looks so weird but intriguing

[no_more_heroes]

I imagine the "game changer" any one dev will differ depending on what their games utilize. For these guys it might be the CPU. For other guys its the SSD. For some, the memory bandwidth of the GPUs.

[ArthriticPowers]

Agree entirely! Obviously it will help more through the cross gen transition

[SyntheticForm]

It's all a game changer, really, but in my personal opinion it's the CPUs and SSDs. Developers and gamers have been clamoring for better CPUs since the start of the generation.

They're both very important.

[rainslacker]

For some, it could be all of the above....or none at all.

My personal opinion while making tools to use on next gen consoles....I think the SSD is what will allow for the greatest advancements for those that really try to innovate game design. Graphics are easy to improve. Game design is much deeper than that though, and it's the game design itself which has mostly stagnated since last gen to now.

[ArthriticPowers]

Just trying to get different opinions from actual devs out there mate. I think SSD's will give us heaps more once developers drop support for mechanical hdd's later this gen. Sony exclusives are the only thing that MAY make use of it in substantial ways at launch (since Microsoft has annouced 1-2yr min of xbox one support) If you only want to see articles that support your opinion don't click.

[Rude-ro]

It is the entire infrastructure of the hardware and that can only be driven by a vision in gaming.
The ssd is not the secret sauce, it is just a part of it. Like teraflops in a pc... not the “sales pitch” Microsoft made it out to be.
Unless you have an 8k monitor or tv... you can have all the teraflops you want.. you still will not get anything other than a larger power bill.
Rendering what is in the game at 4k is where all the bottlenecks becomes relevant.
Speed, new game engines, and innovation is where you will see the “next gen”.
^ add in a company that has been dedicated to a vision with award winning techniques and games... then you have something to always look towards with their products.

With Microsoft.. it is always “wait till next year” because when you use more hype than actual results.. you only have hope vs confidence.

Example: will halo infinite return halo to its formal glory while playing like a new gen game? We can only hope.

Past example: crackdown 3 hyped up to be gen defining and a huge advancement in cloud gaming.
Result: The old engine re-used with 4k resolution and a laughable version of cloud gaming.

[rlow1]

You might be right but I think their going to want to fully support the 100+ PS4 players. So I still see them making sure all first parties support it. At least for awhile, because that's a lot of money to leave off the table.

[Rude-ro]

@perty

That’s what I said.
Are you referring to the gpu?

The cpu needs speed and less bottlenecks.

The engines are just as important as the hardware per seeing gen defining leaps.

We are also talking innovation and evolution with Sony.
Not more make up on old game engines for cheap costs and better profits.

[ArthriticPowers]

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[CaptainCook]

Scorn is going to be Native 4k 60fps on Xbox Series X, they're looking into implementing Ray Tracing as well.

What did Epic show? Tech demo running at 1440p 30fps on PS5 with No Ray Tracing.

[ArthriticPowers]

Interactive tech demos and gameplay are definitely very different things. In saying that UR5 coupled with a solid SSD being mandated looks game changing from first impressions

[blackblades]

There was ray tracing, there own form of it. They also used 8k textures, and 1440 doesnt matter from the looks of it. The so called tech demo was also playble and made on a early dev kit uncompressed I believe. Stop using the same excuse to make yourself feel better.

[CaptainCook]

@blackblades

Luman isn't Ray Tracing. Even digital Foundry stated this....

[IRetrouk]

They said it incorporates some raytracing into it, the bounces I think? Not sure but would have to watch the vid again, it's right at the start if that's any help.

[waverider]

Dude, keep thinking that... No hardware Ray tracing.... Its a diferent thing.

[RazzerRedux]

Why are pretending this tech demo for an engine not even set to release for another year and not going to have actual optimized games for years after that is representative of anything other than some highlighted features of UE5? You are pushing this Xbox narrative that what Epic showed was somehow even remotely close to a final product. That is fanboy nonsense and you know it.

[IRetrouk]

Found it, skip to 00:48 and listen to what's being said, there is indeed some ray tracing used.

https://youtu.be/iIDzZJpDlp...

[waverider]

The cpu upgrade is very nice for this gen. But the ssd is the biggest jump for this gen

[SyntheticForm]

CPU power is huge.

We didn't even need a developer to speak up to know that this is the case, so why behave as if the developer is full of it?

[MajorLazer]

The fanboyism on this site is actually a disease. People are quick to forget the Jaguar CPU's are a** and these Zen 2 CPU's are a colossal upgrade over what we have right now. People are so caught up in the SSD, as if SSD is the be-all and end-all and nothing else matters.

[SyntheticForm]

@Major

It almost feels as though the PS5's SSD is only important because it beats Microsoft's. Were they equal, this wouldn't be such a focal point for fanboys.

Now they're painting it as if nothing else matters. All generation, most people didn't even know what a damn SSD was - it was all about the weak CPUs. Now that we've finally got more-than-competent CPUs, all that matters is PS5's SSD and anyone who wants to talk about the CPUs are just trying to avoid talking about the SSD? FFS, the inanity.

Let's just ship the really nutty fanboys the SSD without the console, since now, apparently, the SSD is all that matters. I think that would be a fantastic prank.

[SyntheticForm]

I wonder how the tone of the reactive comments would be if this game were being developed for PS5.

CPUs are important too - very much so, and it's the opinion of this particular developer that CPU is the biggest factor. That's their opinion as of this moment.

No problem, right? Well, it is if you're a Sony fanboy and want the 'only' narrative out there to be 'All that matters is the SSD' because that's the area where Sony soundly beats Microsoft.

Anything remotely challenging this narrative such as 'The CPU is important' pisses them off, because it talks about a different strength that doesn't focus on the SSD, which in turn doesn't explain how PS5 is better. If you're not explaining why PS5 is better, you're praising something else, and they can't have that.

So, basically, Microsoft can't tout anything now without "damage controlling?"

Let's be honest, the CPU is very important, and what's better, BOTH consoles have nice CPUs now.

[DOMination-]

There we have it straight from a dev. PS5 can boot up quick if we can skip the epilepsy warning but then ifots potato quality theres no point

[Zeref]

CPU is mostly utilized for AI and Physics calculation. We're gonna see significant advances there. Not to mention Machine Learning capabilities as well.
The SSDs in both are gonna change game design for developers significantly as well.
GPU will give us raytraced graphics for the first time on console.

Nextgen is a bigger jump than from PS3/360 to PS4/Xone

[Imalwaysright]

Will we? Games that were released more than 10 years ago have more impressive physics systems than most current gen games. Physics systems have been downgrade over the years due to design choices made by devs, not because of hardware limitations so unless developers change their approach to game design I'm not expecting significant advances in physics systems.

[rainslacker]

Physics is generally offloaded to the GPU. Physics in games is almost all in floating point, and CPU's are not that efficient at such things, even if they are powerful. Truthfully, The CELL processor in the PS3 is better at physics calculations than the CPU's in next gen systems. It wouldn't be able to do enough of them compared to GPU compute nowadays, but if there was a CELL that matched today's(or next gen's) standards, it would greatly outclass a GPU compute set up. GPU compute is quite efficient though, and that's mostly because it uses what worked well in CELL to do the same thing. It just processes the data in a different architecture.

CPU's do control things like AI, as well as the entire game loop. They also provide system tasks, and fascilitate the transfer of data by making hardware calls. All in all, CPU's do quite a bit of work, and while I won't say having more powerful CPU's is a bad thing, I also think that the CPU is actually becoming less relevant to game design as time progresses. However, the Jaguar CPU is not up to snuff relative to what the next gen has to offer, but the Zen processors are kind of overkill.

[swin28888]

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[KTF26]

O.K.
I remember days on n4g where there is no gamingbolt
then gamingbolt came
and now a lot of gamingbolts

[NeoGamer232]

The improvements this next gen as with every gen will be based on what you are trying to do in your games.

If CPU, GPU, memory, or I/O performance were bottlenecks in achieving your past games then improvements to them will allow to to improve your games going forward.

Saying any one hardware change is going to change everything for every game is ridiculous.

I do like that load times this gen will improve the overall console experience for the end users. But even with the outstanding performance of Sony's I/O it is still well over 10x slower then memory so will have limited use. There will still be fillers for loads, those fillers will be smaller though.

[Games1st]

Faster CPU is expected. They just state it's better.

[Kabaneri]

According to N4G's hivemind, now SSD is more important than CPU/GPU strength. Its gonna somehow makeup for a ~20% percent teraflop difference.

[Silly gameAr]

Here come you guys with more sour grapes.

Do xbox fans have a hive mind of playing the victim, and acting like you don't treat a teraflop like it's magical elf magic that's going to destroy everything in it's path. Your ego is hurt. I understand that. It won't be the first or last time that's going to happen for you guys.

[Kabaneri]

Ok, so now teraflops dont matter, that certainly wasnt the case this gen up until the One X released and the goal posts started shifting on here.
My ego is hurt?
I can afford both consoles day one and I plan on buying both, this petty console wars bullshit only applies to people who are too poor or too biased to buy both consoles.
You guys act like a $400 console is part of your identity lmao how pathetic.

[SyntheticForm]

The "sour grapes" are coming from you, and though you're both disingenuously lumping, I have to agree with Kabaneri in the sense that nothing else seems to, or can be, important. Just the SSD, or the Tempest Engine, or anything that praises PS5 and nothing else.

You're totally "sour grapes" over a developer playing up the great new CPUs that we've been clamoring for, FOR A GENERATION. Lol.

The real victimhood is actually coming from you, because you're crying like a baby over something else being discussed - something very important, and something very important which both consoles will benefit from at that.

[shiva1]

Why the heck sony is going for zen2 rdna whatever the heck then... They have ssd right. Why not slap that jaquar and get moving instead?

If ssd is important upgrade then there was a need for better cpu and gpu as well to go with. If not ps4pro/xbox one x are sufficient to go with.

[Kiwi66]

Says others have sour grapes while completely ignoring the comments from other people who are upset that a dev who is working on a next gen game gives his opinion on what HE thinks is a game changer to him.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, no chance that "hive mind" may just be right. Obviously your little hive of minds is the one that is right.

Or, it could be that different people feel different things will be of more import? Crazy I know. But the world doesn't revolve around you, and it's not trying to make attempts to counter your own belief just for the sake of antagonizing you. You come across as bitter, and unable to form any salient argument that isn't a snarky passive aggressive attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with you, and it's really kind of sad.

I mean, we've had this one dev and how many others say the CPU is the most impressive? How many have said the SSD is the most impressive? How many have said TF are important(hint....very few as most seem to steer away from TF being the end all be all). How many have said the GPU or integrated hardware solutions?

We could all find an article of some dev that supports what we feel is important. But, this is one dev that has his own opinion, and lets be real honest here. Are you suggesting that the past few days we haven't seen a constant attempt at trying to discredit the SSD as important to next gen? Hell, MS and Sony have said it's a big part of their design philosophy, but I see a lot of your hive trying real hard to downplay it, or at the least, try really hard to equalize the SSD between the two consoles.

[Kabaneri]

Dude you reply to many comments I make with boring essays that basically amount to "your opinion is wrong because mine is right and you're also a meany". Honestly if you replied to it, thats my confirmation that it was a great comment.

[rainslacker]

I didn't call you a meany. But, how is my comment saying your opinion is wrong, and mine is right any different than you saying the same thing? My "essay" is to back up my opinion, while you just state your opinion without much reason behind it, and a good sense of victimhood.

Maybe you should actually read the "essays' to see what I'm actually saying, and then consider them and if they're worth working into your own view, and maybe you might grow as a person. I'm sorry if too many words in succession is difficult for you. I can't really help that.

Your original comment offered nothing to the conversation. I gave you an oppurtunity to make something of it, instead of just making an argument that amounts to, "people around here are wrong" in that sarcastic way that people do when they can't just make a logical argument.

"Honestly if you replied to it, thats my confirmation that it was a great comment."

You give yourself too much credit. I respond to dumb comments more than I respond to well thought out ones. If I'm responding to a comment you made, and my comment is contentious to yours, chances are, I think your comment is not thought out, weak, idiotic, or worthless. Sometimes a combination of all four.

[swin28888]

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[Vasto]

Game looks amazing. I hope they make use of Series X Project Acoustic audio for full immersion.

[Wetpapertowel]

Haha. That Microsoft audio secret sauce.

Gameplay doesn't look amazing in the slightest.

[Vasto]

Stay thristy my friend.

[shiva1]

Just before you utter one more word go back to the cerny video and around 43:10min mark till 43:36 when he talks about tempest audio look for the pics of a guy sitting in a room so that 5 hrtf profiles could be created. That room is called "silent room".

Now google for worlds silent rooms and look who has the worlds best silent room or search for a guinness record who hold worlds best silent room. Check why that company created that room in first place and when. It all falls in line with Series X and Surface line of products.

[swin28888]

good luck to you

[Elistyle99]

N4G = Everything in favor of Sony is cool. LOL

[swin28888]

helo guy

[GamingInFrames]

I'm still gaming with 2 overclocked 1080Ti's and an overclocked 5960X, along with a Samsung SSD. The overclocking on my CPU vs GPU is like night and day. The added frames I get from my CPU compared to to my cards is amazing. Regarding the SSD, I compared the load times of Metro Exodus on my PC to my X, and again, it's like night and day. I could take a nap while Metro loads on my X.

[swin28888]

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[HumbledManiak]

Neither is really a game changer as the machines maximum potential is limited to the maximum of its weakest component. I'd say it's at least another generation or two before we see any substantial changes in gaming. The leaps now are not the same as they were years ago and probably won't ever be again.

Both consoles will be good, no doubt about it but in terms of significance, there's really not that much. Consoles usually have significantly outdated components, even when having something developed specifically for the console, the components will be based on a component already on the market and then customised to some extent, there is also a price mark which limits the maximum potential of the final product. It's now more about devs raising their benchmark on performance than what Microsoft or Sony put into their machines. Rather than having to cater to the components of the current-gen consoles devs can raise the bar higher which hopefully means it'll be nearer to the same quality available in medium build PCs rather than the low end like it's been for sometime now

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[fulldeepdive]

I kind of dont believe that with any console just because of how they are made and thats not a shot against consoles. Next gen consoles are going to be a better place to play games over most peoples PCs. Not mine but not everyone will upgrade to the new AMD, or Intel CPUs and buy a 3080 ti. I am sure people will pretend that their 1060 or 580 probably even a 1070 will be better but they will not play games better than next gen consoles.

[swin28888]

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[Norrix94]

You're ALL wrong!!! Logos, disk cases and start up screens are the REAL game changers.

[FanboySpotter]

Apparently lol

[xenz]

Good thing that both PS5 and Xbox features the same CPU power then (and no, 0.1GHz SMT extra wont give you a noticable difference

[spirited]

But can they do 60fps?

[shiva1]

This is the question that we need to ask. Not fight for bragging rights.

[FyBy]

Both cpu and ssd are game changers. Its biggest leap from current gen.

[sampsonon]

Yeah, they're alone on that one lol. MS pays well i hear.

[Benficaman]

Until this moment, ONLY the unreal tech demo looks Next gen. Period. And who made the demo said its mainly because of the storage developed by Sony. All the rest is landscape.

[3-4-5]

CPU is a game changer....

Consoles always had super out of date cpu's.....like low end 6-8 year old bottom tier cpu's.......

* Not only do we now have PC CPUs......but actual good ones and not just bottom tier BS....

It's Night and Day for XSX/PS5 over the Xbone &PS4.

[TheHan]

For a game still in progress, I can’t wait for it too come out!

[_dangerclose_]

Says the developer making an exclusive game for the console with the less powerful SSD. lol

[ArthriticPowers]

Exactly, it's why I posted the article, because everyone...including epic and devs with marketing/ exclusive ties have incentives to spin the story a certain way. So we can theories like armchair devs or understand all the information coming out is contaminated. Until we see both side by side comparisons of 3rd party cross gen and next gen games along with the best showing of what next gen only exclusives can do for both consoles (may be a bit of a wait with SX) we still can't trully comprehend what impact the strengths of each console are really going have.

[Stanjara]

You can have the fastest ssd, or access data there is but without CPU to process it, or put it in gpu aka on the screen is pointless. In other words it will make bottlenecks.

Good thing next gen consoles are an all around upgrade for all, even for the pc platform.

[Donnie81]

Xbox hype! Scorn will be a genre defining experience because of the power of the series x

[swin28888]

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[ps5fanboy]

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[everyword]

super

[everyword]

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[kryteris]

na, it's the hard drive. Or was it the 20tf gpu?