Epic CEO: Unreal Engine 5 Nanite & Lumen Tech Will Be Awesome on Both PS5 & Xbox Series X

The tech demo of Unreal Engine 5 running on PS5 revealed a couple of days ago was very impressive, but its features won’t be exclusive to Sony’s console.

[Spurg]

I don't understand this partnership.
Sony studios barely use UE and far as I know Days gone is the only game that does. Every other studio uses their own proprietary engines.
11/13 XGS studios use UE and will be taking more advantage of UE than Sony Studios.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Sony may have paid epic to do a tech demo to showcase PS5 performance. Unreal tech has been a staple multiple-form engine for since the PS2/GC/XB era. Sony’s studios may stick to using various engines. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if Decima became the main engine for Sony studios.

[umair_s51]

No surprises there.

[darthv72]

It's nice to know there are options for Sony to use if they feel so inclined. If there is to be a Days Gone 2 then they can choose to use UE or one of their own in-house ones. MS using UE is a given and Gears 6 should be the showcase for using UE5 on the SX. Especially since Gears was built to showcase UE3 all those years ago. UE5 coupled with DX12 should make for some impressive next gen games for PC/XB. No doubt Sony will have equally impressive games built on their own teams engines.

[DigitalHope]

I feel like if I were EPIC and I was going to pitch my engine to the world, I’d want to showcase that engine on the best possible hardware. I’d want you to see exactly what’s possible. Maybe PS5 just offers more possibilities.

[morganfell]

Something to think about. Unreal tech demos become games. Sure the UE4 game was cancelled but consider the possibility the PS5 tech demo is a PS5 game.

People must think Mark Cerny is an idiot. He isn't and they are about to discover the PlayStation 2X SSD is going to affect everything.

[Unspoken]

Well if Sony telling their fan base to sftu didn't ring a bell, this certainly will.

[nyckrazy]

nah, whats good for paying epic when tell everyone 2 days after that the engine will be great on both systems.

[mark_parch]

@DigitalHope
If that were the case they would have shown it on a high end pc. Its not hard to understand, marketing deals and partnerships get made all the time and here sony have made a deal with epic to show this tech demo.

[bouzebbal]

So good to listen to the developers opinions on this forum.. So enlightening!!!

[caddytrek]

Maybe Tim just likes Sony more.

[Baza]

Tim Sweeney and Mark Cerny are best friends.

[aconnellan]

Xbox gets exclusive 3rd party stuff:: moneyhatting! They’re buying their way in!

Sony gets exclusive 3rd party stuff: it’s out of the goodness of the dev’s heart

[caddytrek]

Tim Sweeney blasts Microsoft's "aggressive UWP initiative
https://www.gamesindustry.b...

Tim Sweeney Claims Microsoft UWP Is ‘Woefully Inadequate’ And Malware Is Just ‘An Excuse’
https://hothardware.com/new...

Epic CEO: “Universal Windows Platform can, should, must, and will die
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

[aconnellan]

RE the articles you posted, from the arstechnica one his issue seems to revolve around:

“Sweeney is accusing Microsoft of "unfairly disadvantaging" competing stores like Steam and Origin, as well as those who sell games directly to customers”

While those comments were made a couple of years ago, has Tim Sweeney not since done exactly the same thing with the Epic Games Store? Sounds to me like he’s just not a fan of the competition, whereas Sony doesn’t have a stake in the PC market like MS.

Even aside from all of that - what we’re seeing is a marketing deal, plain and simple. And there’s no problem with that, but people are treating it like something more when it just isn’t

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

@caddytrek I don't think you have been keeping up with the news:
https://www.businessinsider...

Just last year: . The following is what he had to say in this regard:

Epic is thrilled with everything Microsoft is doing and we feel that we couldn’t be happier with the directions they’ve taken on all their platforms. There’s HoloLens, now an open platform. There’s Windows, a completely open platform. And Microsoft is launching new Microsoft services of all sorts through the Windows Store. And then there’s also Microsoft Game Pass. And those are existing side by side with everybody else’s services. And it’s a really healthy ecosystem, which everybody participates in. And then there is Xbox. Consoles are a unique thing. They are television-attached gaming devices, as opposed to like general computing platforms. You’re not doing spreadsheets there. And so it was a different experience and also generally consoles over their history are subsidized hardware and so the hardware recoup some money from software sales. Epic is completely satisfied that their economic models are fair."
Epic now has partnerships with both platform holders. Gonna be some great looking games on both.

[NealGamby]

If you have a new engine and want to show it off, you’re going to use the system that runs it the best.

[AspiringProGenji]

@Echo

From Tim Sweeni himself answering a similar question:

“Systems integration and whole-system performance. Bringing in data from high-bandwidth storage into video memory in its native format with hardware decompression is very efficient.“

And another user withing that thread:

“makes sense. The solution that Cerny and team have created is pretty impressive for that. Looking forward to seeing what everyone creates as a result 👍“

And yes, the partnership could also involve money for the exclusive showcase, but what’s the problem with that? If MS secured it first you would be okay with it too. At least there’s some tech explanation there for why PS5 was chosen to showcase the engine features

[DerfDerf]

Except they didn't do that....

[brrdat]

this is the actual reason.

[NealGamby]

@Echo
They didn’t use PC because even on the highest end PC, the SSD speeds are nowhere close to being as fast as PS5’s. That will, obviously, change one day. But for now, it streams the UE5 textures the fastest.

[IRetrouk]

"Sweeney was responding to some now-deleted Tweets about the subject, where he offered insight as to why the PS5’s SSD packs a greater punch:"

"Those PC numbers are theoretical, and are from drive into kernel memory. From there, it’s a slow and circuitous journey through software decompression to GPU driver swizzling into video memory where you can eventually use it. The PS5 path for this is several times more efficient."

https://www.psu.com/news/ps...

That's why they chose the ps5 to show it off and not a pc.

[GTgamer]

@echo_
"So why didn't they just use a PC?
With existing hardware, the PC would have show cased ray tracing, native 4k 60+ frames, all the bells and whistles. Including NVMe SSD quick asset loading.."

Im guessing none of you guys stayed for interview after the demo because alllllll of this was explained 🤔 I guess y'all was too busy spreading hate because it was shown on the PS5. Imagine the level of frustration Tim Sweeny is dealing with right now because of fanboys. He already explained that the PS5 SSD speeds is ahead of anything on PC right now so why ask this question? Are you dense?
https://mobile.twitter.com/...

[caddytrek]

Echo_

"“Systems integration and whole-system performance. Bringing in data from high-bandwidth storage into video memory in its native format with hardware decompression is very efficient.“

Sure it's just that the PS5 does it more than twice as fast.

[AspiringProGenji]

@echo

That was Sweeni himself who said it and I just quoted it to answer your question. If you have a problem with what was stated, go tell him.

Also who are these headless chickens that have triggered you? You realize when you let dumb and misinformed people bait you are being dumber than them right?

[S2Killinit]

@Eco
He already explained that the PS5 was the best platform to showcase it as the SSD in the PS5 is far ahead of anything available on even the most high end PC.

[itsmebryan]

The tech demo running on a weaker system shows that's not true. I think they used PS5 to say "Look even on this weaker PS5 this is the bare minimum you can expect. And Sony paid us!".

.Because why would Epic showcase their new flagship software at only 1440p @ 30fps. If anything it really shows the limits of PS5. We already know XSX does 4k@ 60fps.

Why do you think EPIC would showcase their software at only 1440p @30fps when everyone is showing 4k@60fps?

[Eonjay]

The best system for a showcase is the PS5. This is because the advanced SSDs don't exist yet for PC. That's the long and short of it.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Spurg

"I don't understand this partnership."

Not really hard to understand. Epic has PC ports of PS4 first party games exclusivity at Epic Store.

[Spurg]

Hmmm...You might be right on that one. Sony defo has to put its games on PC to secure some market share on the platform. They can't allow a competitor to be unchallenged with millions of PC gamers.

[CaptainCook]

Epic paid 1 Year for PS4 exclusive game that's releasing on steam this year.

[ocelot07]

Do you mind if I ask what are the fist party games are I genuinely don't know other than Horizon.

[Obscure_Observer]

@ocelot07

"Do you mind if I ask what are the fist party games are I genuinely don't know other than Horizon."

No problem.

Detroit, Heavy Rain e Beyond: Two Souls

Not confirmed yet, but it´s possible that MBL The Show 21 will also be an Epic Store´s timed exclusive.

[oakshin]

Epic helped build the ps5 I heard Tim say it with my own ears live on steam and I see alot of naughty dog in unreal engine 5

They foundation is set for what your saying though but I'm willing to bet money it will never happen

[oakshin]

NVM ignore my post please didn't know you was a troll lol at Sony owning David cage games

[Obscure_Observer]

@oakshin

"NVM ignore my post please didn't know you was a troll lol at Sony owning David cage games"

Jokes´s on you, dude. The only game owned by Gage is Heavy Rain. Lol.

https://trademarks.justia.c...
https://trademarks.justia.c...

[jimbost79]

@Obscure
Which of Sony's 1st party studios developed them 3 games?

[Eonjay]

You are pretty much on point. Or. At least you are putting the pieces together

[uth11]

Sony wants to make sure UE is well optimized for third party ganes

[DerfDerf]

Epic also has a PS4/UE4 demo. I'm assuming it's a paid deal to show off what the console is capable of.

[Babadook7]

Nope. They always show the engine on best hardware first. Ps4 was the second best and was shown second. Ps5 was the best and shown first. But please continue to troll in the face of clear explanations from Sweeney.

[AspiringProGenji]

Ever since the PS4, Cerny has been working with devs and asking for feedback/what they want to make the console dev friendly.

Maybe in one of those visits both Epic and Cerny were impressed by their techs and worked together to put this Teaser together, and Sony partnered with Epic to showcase what the PS5 can be capable of using UE5. Not so hard to understand

Even if Sony devs barely use UE, at least the teaser showed the capabilities of the PS5. If UE looked and played that good, we can expect similar and maybe better results with Decima or Sony devs’ proprietary engines

[Babadook7]

But “working together” as Sweeney stated is not what all companies do.

[Vizigoth04]

As a PlayStation fan in really don’t think this takes anything away from Xbox Fans. And especially not their birthday. I guarantee Xbox games will still run just fine in the Series X.

[Games1st]

Things can change.

[rainslacker]

Well....when 3rd party makes games for PS using UE, Epic makes money. Epic wants to make an engine which pushes the boundaries, and Sony wants to sell consoles. Sony, being a market leader in the console space means that devs want to make games on it. having an engine that's easy to work with, on a console that people want to buy games on, is a boon for Epic. So, when Epic works with Sony, they all come out ahead, and we get better games.

I also wouldn't doubt that Sony provided Epic with some API's that helped make UE more efficient, which means Epic itself wouldn't have had to make new one's to include. Sony's ICE team is pretty good at making such things and really understand hardware.

You shouldn't worry about it too much. Without doubt, Epic works with MS as well due to DirectX and the Xbox being a thing as well. I'm sure MS had input on what they thought would be good to have in a new engine.

[mkis007]

Seems to me like UE5 is geared towards full use of any available SSD speeds...meaning the faster it goes the more obvious your gains are. They used the fastest drive available to show off their texture streaming. Devs have been saying the gpu gains are not really as apparent as they once were.

[waverider]

Because they are market leaders in 3rd party games by a Huge diference to Microsoft. Sony gamers buy much more games then Microsoft. Its business. Because console sales matter no matter how many times Microsoft say they dont.

[S2Killinit]

Epic did mention that to run the same demo on other platforms they would have to scale it down. So maybe they showed it on PS5 because it was the best platform to showcase their engine.

[MasterCornholio]

How about the fact that many multiplatform developers use the Unreal Engine?

With that said it's in Sonys interest to make sure the engine takes advantage of the PS5s capabilities.

[scofios]

Bravo Epic \ Sony you made a lot salty fanboys have sleepless nigts Hahaha .

[FyBy]

It makes sense. If ue5 is meant to be mainstream engine, its good to partner with epic to make ue5 maximum effective on ps5. Its good investment in future multiplat games performance.

[Babadook7]

It’s because of 3rd party’s. Sony wants to be as capable with this engine as possible (their own studios will need those specs as well) for 3rd party games. Microsoft and Sony will each have their strengths with UE5 and I’ve even heard to expect them to each have their own unique look as a result.

[_dangerclose_]

There now everyone can calm down now.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I mean we all knew this already.

[aconnellan]

Unfortunately it had to be spelled out for some people

[FlyGuyHung]

Not the PS fanboys. I hope they enjoy some eggs with their SSD.

[fiveby9]

It’s telling how sensitive Xbox fans are because of one tech demo. It’s all Xbox execs and fans have talked about all week. Xbox doth protest too much, methinks.

[itsmebryan]

We all know it but, for some reason Sony fanboys where trying to push the narrative that the 1440p @ 30fps tech demo was only capable on PS5.

[Melankolis]

Not quite. Tim Sweeney wrote on Twitter :

1. The Unreal Engine 5 demo on PlayStation 5 was the culmination of years of discussions between Sony and Epic on future graphics and storage architectures.
2. The Nanite and Lumen tech powering it will be fully supported on both PS5 and Xbox Series X and will be awesome on both.

Some people couldn't accept sentence no. 1, so...

[S2Killinit]

People pretend like someone here has claimed Unreal Engine wont work on xbox. What was said though, was what Epic CEO said about the PS5 and why they chose PS5 to showcase their engine.

[Sitdown]

Stop it, several people were saying it wouldn't work because of the SSD. There is a reason question were asked for clarity, and why we even got this response.

[S2Killinit]

No Epic’s CEO said they could put the demo on other platforms but they would have to scale it back. Thats not the same as “it wouldnt work”

[Looper]

Marketing deal for a game engine...hehe wow that a new low...I mean a sure stroke of genius!!...right guys?

[Silly gameAr]

You guys are so bent out of shape that you're coming up with conspiracy theories as to why Epic chose to show their engine on PS5 instead of xbox. This is HILARIOUS. Seeing you guys so mad, that you think Sony paid Epic for a tech demo?

Why not pay other companies to show what the PS5 can do too? Why just Epic? You guys need to get a freaking grip.

[brrdat]

xbots would rather tear apart what was shown on sony's console than praise what was shown at xbox's event. it's hilarious.

[aconnellan]

Do you not know how this works? Marketing deals are dime a dozen in this industry - it’s literally why 3rd party games like Call of Duty presentations will switch from PlayStation to Xbox and then back over the course of a few years.

As for “why just epic” we’ve been told for ages that Sony is ‘waiting’ to show us what’s up with the PS5. It isn’t “just epic”, they’re just the first.

It’s not a bad practice at all, but when it gets taken and run with by fanboys as “this is only possible on PS5!!11!1” that’s when it becomes necessary to point it out

[pwnmaster3000]

I know right...
Devs praise XSX: it’s because it’s the best console and MS is going to win next gen

Devs praise PS5: They obviously getting paid... secret sauce.

Desperation at its best.

It’s because they jumped the gun and claimed PS5 was gonna be garbage until actual devs came out praising it more then XSX.
Now they are lost trying to find every little thing and taking one persons words and making it out to believe every Sony fan was saying it...
It’s called playing the victim and MS fans grown accustom to it this gen from all the beating Daddy Sony gave them 😂😂

[Silly gameAr]

@aconnellan

Do you guys know how crazy you freaking sound? Are you guys so hurt, that you think Sony would pay for Epic to put a tech demo on the PS5? A tech demo. You guys got your feelings and pride hurt so much, that you are damage controlling the shit out of this.

I don't want to hear another one of you say that PS fanboys are the worst, because you guys are just as bad, if not more delusional.

[aconnellan]

“you think Sony would pay for Epic to put a tech demo on the PS5?”

As someone who works in advertising, I don’t ‘think’ that, I know it. Rarely anything we see these days is done organically, and that’s fine because that’s just how it works.

It’s dense to think that Epic spent time and money putting together this presentation out of the goodness of their hearts with no monetary kickback involved, and then chose to pick a console instead of PC to showcase it - where PC would have arguably allowed them to show more features and advancements because they would be able to do more on the platform. It’s an engine showcase, remember? It’s not exclusive. So why limit your engine’s showcase to what can be done in one console?

Because marketing. That’s just how it works

[OB1Biker]

This demo caused a lot of salt, that's for sure.
Some people start to realise the SSD isnt just for a few seconds faster loading screens.

[Redemption-64]

@aconnellan
I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about. Sony could have literally invested zero cash into this demo and Epic fitting the bill for everything. Sony studios don't really use the Unreal engine, the only one I know from the top of my head is Days Gone, so Epic could create this demo and pitch it to Sony in hopes of getting them to have more of their first party studios use Unreal. Independent studios turn to create demos to show publishers. So if a company like Bungie wants Sony, MS, EA or another publisher to pay for their game, they will need to sell that idea/game to that publisher and that will most of the time require a demo at the expense of the studio.

[rainslacker]

Sony could have made a tech demo on it's own. They have the top minds from their major studios who also work to make game engines that they give for free with the dev kits, and those studios would be more than capable of making a demo which would show off the PS5 to it's fullest. Why pay Epic to do so?

Is it so hard to believe that Epic and Sony worked together to have UE make good use of the new technologies? We're talking about the most popular and widely used multi-plat engine by a wide margin, and a console maker who consistently is one of the most popular and respected by gamers and developers alike.

Why wouldn't they work together? I'm sure Epic is working with MS to optimize the engine for their hardware as well, because in the end, Epic is going to care more about the billions they make off their game engine licensing fees, over the maybe tens of millions that a console maker would likely be willing to potentially spend on a marketing deal. Sony gains nothing from a marketing deal on the long term. Epic has everything to gain.

So, the notion of a conspiracy is just stupid, and nothing but assumption with absolutely no weight to it.

[Looper]

It's no conspiracy. They had a marketing deal, plain and simple.
Sony doesn't have anything to show yet and Epic were about to reveal their engine and so Sony paid them some money to not mention Xbox for 3 days and demo their engine on their console. It's that simple.

[IRetrouk]

Sony has nothing to show.....
Where you pulling that from?
I like your theory but the demo was worked on for months, sony didn't just pay epic to show a video, if they paid epic then they payed to make a playable demonstration of their engine on sonys machine. Regardless of how, the video did exactly what sony and epic wanted it to.

[tontontam0]

If sony paid epic, do you think they'll let epic say this statement?
I'm pretty sure if they paid epic they'll make sure to keep epic quiet.

[KRUSSIDULL]

More clarification from @TimSweeneyEpic

* And high end PCs

* And with features for scaling the content down to run on current generation platforms using traditional rendering and lighting techniques

* Commodore 64 will not be supported

[Software_Lover]

Lol touche’

[darthv72]

That last part is okay... so long as I know the Amiga is not mentioned then we are good.

[Obscure_Observer]

* And with features for scaling the content down to run on current generation platforms using traditional rendering and lighting techniques*

But we heard from armchair game developers on N4G that scaling next gen content down to run on current generation platforms is not possible. :(

[RabbitFly]

@Obscure_Observer

Did you really quote that and not read it?

It said scaling the content down to run on current generation platforms using TRADITIONAL rendering and lightning techniques.

So he is in effect saying that Nanite and Lumen wont necessarily be possible on current gen hardware. You know the point of the entire tech demo.

I mean I am not going around touting the scaling argument, but I couldn't help to notice the blatant flaw in your comprehension here. You literally used a quote that did nothing but disprove your point to try to prove your point.

[Obscure_Observer]

@RabbitFly

"I mean I am not going around touting the scaling argument, but I couldn't help to notice the blatant flaw in your comprehension here."

Thanks, RabbitFly. My mistake. The argument with the armchair devs really resolves around scaling down from high to low and nothing else.

[rainslacker]

@Obscure

You hear what you want to hear all the time. Really you should seek professional help for that. Hearing voices is usually not a good sign.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

What? Are you going to deny all fallacies regarding MS holding back next generation game design because *lowest common denominator* that we heard from fanboys?

Now, according to Epic, developers are able to design next gen games using UE5 and still support current generation platforms using traditional lightning and rendering techniques which is clearly the opposite than armchairs devs on N4G want us to believe. What I´m missing here?

Also, try and remain calm. Lol.

[pwnmaster3000]

MS fans out in full force right now lol.
It was only two announcement guys calm down lmao.

[Veneno]

Xbox has lost next gen already.

[CaptainCook]

I was told by N4G users Nanite is only possible on PS5

[Pricey]

And you believed them, fxck me your dumb.

[04STIBluByU]

Now that was funny! lmfao...

[sinspirit]

Who said that?

[Silly gameAr]

The people in his head.

[GTgamer]

I want proof

[Sunny_D]

Lol no one said that. They’re talking about the flying part of the demo.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Lol no one said that. They’re talking about the flying part of the demo."

Another made up fiction

[rainslacker]

@sunny

Chances are, at least one person said it. Maybe even two. Those one or two obviously equates to the entirety of N4G, and it's Sony fanbase contingent.

You really need to get up to speed with how fan boys use leaps in logic to be able to form passive aggressive accusations of hypocrisy, in order to deflect the topic away from anything meaningful because they have no real ability to form any kind of meaningful argument on their own.

[brrdat]

no, you weren't. nice try tho.

[AnubisG]

Wich N4G user said this?

[pwnmaster3000]

Lol literally no one said that

[Kumakai]

as i said....

[Silly gameAr]

This Epic thing really upset people. I can imagine fanboys whining to Epic all like "you gave the PS5 to much attention! This is supposed to be Microsoft's gen! Stop praising the PS5, and let people know that it's on xbox too damn it!"

[Obscure_Observer]

@Silly gameAr

Lol. XD

[pwnmaster3000]

It’s kind of true... look at Spurs up there.

Xbox gamers is literally having a melt down this pass days and it’s pretty funny.
From the disappointing live stream and with the follow up of the Tech demo and GOT,
MS fans started checking in for suicide watch 😂😂

[Silly gameAr]

@pwn

They are having a meltdown for real. Where did all of that confidence go? MS fans are just like MS. When they feel threatened, they lash out at everything

[aconnellan]

As opposed to N4G users loudly announcing that they get all of MS’ first party games on PC, because “HEY GUYS REMEMBER MS NO GAMES HAHAHAHA”

[Silly gameAr]

As opposed to " THE XBOX IS A BEAST!" 4K4K4K ALL DAY! SONY IS BROKE, AND THEIR CONSOLE IS WEAK! HAHAHAHAHA"

Yeah, that works both ways.

[rainslacker]

MS own fan base set the criteria for what is considered, "no games", over two generations and 4 unique systems where they made it clear at the least what the minimum was for using the "no games" criticism.

If, and as it has happened, MS releases even fewer games than Sony has during those years where that criticism was lobbed at Sony, I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold MS accountable to the same criticism. This has gone on for four years straight, and instead of it being a slow start, they've actually gone backwards, even to the point where their only AAA game release was a bi-yearly release of a racing game.

So yeah, we don't need to remember that MS has no games and laugh about it. MS consistently reminds us they have no games, and that we just have to wait for when they're ready, and we'll be rewarded with a slew of titles of vaguely quantified quantity and quality. It'd be worth laughing about, if it didn't just make one want to cry for how poorly MS has supported their console this gen.

[Destiny1080]

xbox gamers are literally melting the internet looking for answers, i hope it doesn't crash

Phil will be showing loads of next gen games in three weeks time, why the state of panic

[pwnmaster3000]

Right 😂😂.
I haven’t seen this much damage control and desperation in awhile lol

[rainslacker]

Sony got some positive buzz. That's panic inducing to Xbox fan boys.

Kind of dumb really, since they could have been excited too, and then just waited for this inevitable clarification that this article reports.

But, like always, they over-reacted, tried too hard to make it about MS, made up conspiracies, failed to understand anything about what was actually shown, heard what they wanted to hear, then in the end, came into this article with a sense of superiority because they were proven right about how it would be on Xbox too, even though most people weren't really saying it wouldn't be available.

[RamRod88]

I guess Sony's marketing deal expired today 😂

[pwnmaster3000]

Looks like MS fans finally came back from their depression mode.

Lol two Sony news and you guys went on suicide watch 😂😂.

[RamRod88]

Says the guy damage controlling every comment

[pwnmaster3000]

I just call it how I see it.
I already decided to buy both already and Possibly investing in game pass if PSNow don’t get better but I just find it funny when one side damage controls and go on desperation mode.
For this week, is definitely you MS fans.
Pathetically funny.

[RamRod88]

I gave Sony props for the marketing but anyone who thought the Unreal 5 demo wasn't capable on XSX was fooling themselves. I'm just having some fun. You shouldn't take this stuff so seriously

[jcole97]

So glad they said this. Comments were getting way too delusional.

[pwnmaster3000]

Naw it was because MS fans kept crying lol.
Probably got a bunch of message.
Notice how MS devs and Phil made sure it was for Xbox also lmao. Desperate.. you will never see Sony do that.

This is like when a kid gets a toy and their younger siblings cries because they didn’t get one so they buy them one so they can shut up.

[jcole97]

lol ok
just take a look at these comments buddy
https://n4g.com/news/234557...

[CertifiedGamer]

Nanite > Ray Tracing

[NeoGamer232]

I think that it depends on what you are trying to accomplish in the game. The demo was beautiful, But ray tracing would've made it even better.

[CertifiedGamer]

I should have said Lumen, or whatever the name is of the new lighting effect that does the same thing that ray tracing does without killing the frame rate. I think the ray tracing alternative is doing a better job.

[sampsonon]

Notice how he can't say run the same on both consoles? lol
Smart.

[NeoGamer232]

Geesh, some people have nothing better to do then over analyze every word that was said.

UE is a multi-platform engine. Part of its appeal is how it can make every platform run very similarly.

An interesting exercise.... I brought up the State of Play Ghosts of Tsushima gameplay yesterday side by side with the UE demo. Now that is a comparison of how much better this next gen will be.

[sampsonon]

from the interview: When asked, he says "this was the example of the ultimate best highest level hardware that's going to exist at the end of the year" referring to the PS5. Then he says "they will scale down blah blah"
https://youtu.be/YmSo7-Z-ZV...

[sampsonon]

Analyzing words is a bad thing? lol

[Kiwi66]

Maybe there is an nda in place if they have a deal with Sony

[rainslacker]

It's highly unlikely it would run the same on both consoles. I'm sure it could be made to appear so, or better on one or the other. He didn't clarify what the differences would be though....which is what I think you were trying to get at.

[WelkinCole]

The fact he has to say this is just sad. Xbox fans and MS exec are very immature. Anyone with half a brain knows that UE has always been a multi platform engine.

[ElementX]

"Anyone with half a brain knows that UE has always been a multi platform engine."

So most PS fans don't have half a brain? They're the ones shouting from the rooftops, claiming PS5 games are going to look like the demo and that Xbox can't handle it.

[pwnmaster3000]

Most??? At best they were just excited some next gen footage came out wether it’s going to look like that or not.

You may have gotten like what a couple but don’t put all Sony fans like that.
Those two days must of broken your heart or something, because literally the majority of fans new that, but we’re just excited some actual game play ( and yes it was gameplay) was shown.

[ElementX]

It's called an exaggeration.

My heart isn't broken, I have money for both consoles and my preorders are going in the minute they become available. In the meantime, I have my PC. The consoles may be better for some tasks, I don't know. Regardless, I have no reason to have any negative feelings toward either the PS5 or the Series X. People think I'm some sort of fanboy but you don't see me in any PS articles saying Sony sucks, PS5 is weak, or downplaying anything other than Days Gone and Death Stranding. I have asked if the PS5 IO is really necessary, but I have never said anything bad about Sony.

[rainslacker]

There are always tools within any game engine that aren't directly supported between platforms. It's one reason I actually have a job to be honest, because I make tools which facilitate porting of some of those features to other platforms. Most of those features not directly portable in engine are things provided by the hardware makers, with no direct counterpart on the competition. UE will use the available API's to build a tool for that specific platform, because it helps utilize the platform to the fullest. But, they won't spend the resources making a tool, which would basically be a new API for that platform because it's probably not worth it to them.

Things like Nanite and Lumens are different. They're built as engine level features(tools), so they're going to write the code which allows it to build to multiple platforms that have the hardware that can support it.

Realistically, There are going to be things in the demo that may not work as well on XSX. But there will also be things in it that would run better on XSX. Each system has traded off for different things, and what Epic wanted to show was based on something Sony has a stronger solution for.

I know a lot of people are claiming conspiracies with Sony over this, but I think the bigger reason for this is that Epic wants to push this new SSD tech to be a standard in PC, which is actually where they make the most money for game engine licenses. Gaming in general is where advancements have been pushed in the PC market, and if enough gamers start wanting this newer SSD tech, it has a higher chance to become more of a standard, and PC gaming can finally break through that bottleneck of having the lowest common denominator being a standard hard drive with scenes being loaded into memory. Unfortunately, the idea of low level on PC never really hit it's stride due to restrictions and security issues within the OS, so it's still more limited....but I digress.

[WelkinCole]

No you guys are the immature kids that get bent out of shape for the simple fact that U5 demo on the PS5 is getting more attention. Grow up

[pwnmaster3000]

Agree, positive Sony news comes out and they go into hiding and makes stuff like the Song fans claiming it can be done only on PS5.
Super Salty lol imagine when they actually reveal the console.. they gonna be on suicide watch.

[jcole97]

Have you taken a look at what sony fanboys were saying?

[DEEHULK88]

I guess that kills all those dumb " Why not Xbox" articles.

[Fraggle1987]

The call from microsoft obviously went through lol

[Looper]

The check from Sony only covered a day lmao!

[_dangerclose_]

Have we seen it running on x? oh no we haven't, ok guess that check covers a bit more than a day after all.

[Looper]

Glad you acknowledge there was a check 😉

[IRetrouk]

Check or not, they used the ps5 for a reason.

https://ibb.co/LQJmPFP

[Looper]

Uh yes...because Sony cut a check. Lmao, this guy!

[IRetrouk]

Still that dont change the fact that they used the ps5 because of it design 🤷‍♂️

[Looper]

They used the PS5 because Sony paid them to, that's how marketing goes. This whole article is about how all those features can and will be used on all platforms, including current gen.

[IRetrouk]

Nobody said the features couldn't be, but sweeney himself explained why he picked the ps5 to show off the engine, because it's got the best ssd speeds and io, like it, dont🤷‍♂️
As for current gen support, try reading what that actually means.... no lumin, no nanite.... which is kinda the main features of the engine..

[rainslacker]

It's not like Epic really needs to be scared of MS. If anything, I'd say Sweeney is probably one of the more outspoken critics of some of the things MS has tried to do over the years. He kind of took the crown from Gabe who really used to have a stick up his butt about how crap MS was.

[kryteris]

can they please just make a game out of it.

[Realms]

Cry me a river with those salty tears, Sony has better relationships with third party devs period. This is why they consistently get more games on their system. You can tell a lot of people are salty for whatever reason that many devs keep praising the PS5 yet all the xbox fanboys can't understand why since MS has more TF. Many devs have said it's not a huge difference. UE5 demo is just the latest example of how many xbox fanboys can't except the PS5 being a very capable console and even better than the seriesx in some aspects.

[Looper]

Sony paid for an exclusive marketing deal over a freaking engine demo. That's just sad. They clearly don't have anything good to show ready yet and needed to piggyback on an announcement to create buzz for themselves.

[_dangerclose_]

First off there's been no confirmation this was paid for by Sony in anyway that's literal made up xbox fanboy nonsense with no proof whatsoever to support it, its little more than pathetic trolling and that's whats truly sad and the fact you used the term "piggyback" was fantastic irony considering after it was shown running on PS5 and it got the gaming community hyped and finally excited for next gen unlike what MS did Spencer, Greenberg and company started immediately tweeting and commenting as fast as they could to as you say piggyback off of Sony's success with the demo. Sony doesn't need to create buzz, they have it and its got you xbox fanboys tilted AF.

[Realms]

I'm not just talking about this demo and Epic I'm talking about how Sony has better working relationships with other companies period. This why they get exclusive games from studios like Fromsoft and why Kojima chose Sony. It's also the reason why Japanese developers choose PS over MS, regardless of what some people say about those games. Yes these companies pay for exclusive rights but I've never heard of paying for demos, the real reason is that Epic choose the PS5 to showcase their new engine it's that simple.

[Sunny_D]

Lol, you keep telling yourself it was a marketing deal. The proof won't show up. Sony got you shook, it's making you put your fingers in your ears and going lalalala.

[Looper]

You are getting bent out of shape over a demo for an engine my guy. A marketing deal for a game engine!

Ponies make fun of Xbox for showcasing multiplatform games yet you are here trying to tout a freaking game engine that'll be available on ALL platforms including current gen consoles!

[Games1st]

Ray tracing impacts performance. It's good to have alternatives methods for games to reach 60fps.

[strayanalog]

All these damn triangles! The human eye can only see 3,000 at once, so I already feel cheated.

[S2Killinit]

MS went crying to Epic.

[Locutus_of_borg]

This whole Sony paid epic scenario..... i kinda see it differently, from a sitting on the fence perspective, I'll admit that xbox is my prefered console, but that Demo blew me away... Maybe Epic approached sony with the engine, they may of even paid sony to use the Ps5. Sony already has a more than capable engine and could probably achieve the same or better results themselves, Maybe Epic are just putting themselves out there to say to Sony, look what we can do... can you please consider using our engine, we know we can sell games on xbox, but if we get in with Sony as well then our royalties would go through the ceiling....

[chiefJohn117]

Welp

[Father__Merrin]

Epic may be doing an exclusive game deal with Sony?

[Daniel2183]

Show the new engine on the lower powered console to set the bar. Xbox will make things look a little better .

[Daniel2183]

Also that tech demo had a team working on one thing, make it look as pretty as possible... devs are not gonna put so much time in to squeezing so many polygons in to such a small map . They have a whole game to make

[tontontam0]

Of course it will be awesome on both.

UE5 is really amazing they can scale it down to the xbox one x' slower drive.

[Fritzwochel]

But of course it will be better on the PS5 since it can transfer assets faster! The last fly scene in the tech demo could be a problem with the slow ass SX I/O.

[ps5fanboy]

Just significant more pop and less distance in, jaw dropping fast bits, like end of demo... , the GPU in the shitbox , just can't keep up with a fast ssd lol , a next gen one....

[bacrec1]

Derp.

[JayRyu]

Some said this earlier in the comments. Both systems will have areas were they will preform better. The tech demo was awesome and is a glimpse of what both consoles can do for next generation. Only fanboys tear down good news on either side.

[Donnie81]

Of course it will run great on the more powerful system. Sony is going all in on global illumination because the ps5 isn’t gonna be able to do ray tracing as well as the sx

[ps5fanboy]

its had a dedicated chip installed for rtx , i think it will do a better job.

[Donnie81]

Both do and stuff like ray tracing is where the sx advantages are gonna shine especially the extra cu’s . They can over clock all day it’s not gonna make up for the numbers difference.

[sampsonon]

Hey PC Gamers. PS5 is going to blow your rig away. I hate when pc's hold back gaming.

[tontontam0]

I had a dream that epic is already experiencing success with their unreal engine 5.

Rockstar: wow ue5 is amazing
EPIC: give us gta 5 and we'll give you a discount.
Rockstar: ok

[everyword]

this game..is fame

[everyword]

great machine