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This is next-gen: see Unreal Engine 5 running on PlayStation 5

Eurogamer: "Epic reveals the revolutionary Unreal Engine 5 - with a stunning tech demo running in real-time on PlayStation 5. We spoke to Epic to find out about this true generational leap."

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darthv721858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

This is just the tip of the iceberg for both PS5 and SX. I hope UE5 gets adopted by Sony. We can pretty much assume MS and Epic are still buddy buddy but Sony only had one game of theirs (Days Gone) used UE4 while many of MS games used it.

UltraNova1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Darth,

Why would Sony stray away(in any capacity) from in-house engines, like Decima? To be on better terms with Epic? Although Epic choosing Sony instead MS for their new Engine reveal is strange, to say the least.

That said, new, revolutionary tools/features like the ones showcased today by UE5 get adopted and become standard by the industry, in some shape or form. I'd argue Sony should double down on Decima; they should upgrade it spesifically for ps5 and make it available for all PlayStation Studios while studios will reserve the right to choose. Now that doesn't mean 3rd party engines will be off limits, of course not. Engines like UE5 will have their place in certain projects like Days Gone you've already mentioned.

Anyway, this demo was everything we wanted to see(almost) and it made me even more anxious to see more next gen games from both sides.

PS: They sure are making things harder for me...that is, sticking with my PS4 Pro until the PS5 Pro comes out. Damn!

TripleAAARating1858d ago

@darth.. I'm sorry, been reading your comments for a while now and they always amaze me at the levels you go to try and "micro" downplay everything related to sony and PlayStation 😆... most people wouldn't catch on cause your remarks are so subtle... so you're saying you "HOPE" sony adopts the use of UE5 because MS uses epic's engine in most if not all of their games?? Completely IGNORING the FACT that Sony's first party studios optimize and design their OWN
proprietary game engines for their titles? with results few in the Industry could surpass or even match.?... Lmao it's like you are alluding that what they did before was so "meh" to you that you hope they adopt the Unreal Engine for their future games so they can produce something impressive to you... 😂 man just stop.

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russo1211858d ago

Simply amazing stuff, Big congratulations Sony and Mark Cerny!

darthv721858d ago

@nova, you are right. Im going to stop talking about Sony and Epic. I mean I was thinking that by using a tried and tested 3rd party engine would make game development easier and quicker instead of long and drawn out. i know some of the time spent making games like HZD and GoW were due to the creation of the game engine itself. And all that time and effort really paid off in the end. Times have been changing and with power at an all time high I figured they would probably want to churn out games on a semi quicker scale than what we got previously. And using a 3rd party engine that demonstrates many new features that are not yet present in any of the in-house engines seemed like a good solution.

But you are right... there is no reason Sony cant get their teams to refine their existing engines with new features inspired by UE5 and improve on what they already have. And because they already have something working then development would naturally be easier and quicker due to already having experience with said engines. My apologies for that.

@AAA... same goes to you.

Mr Logic1858d ago

@Darth

You realize using UE is not free, right? So Sony can use it and pay royalties or rely on their highly experienced engineers to improve their existing engines and pay $0 in royalty. Seems like a no brainer to me.

TripleAAARating1858d ago

@darth
Lol there you go again, WHY would you suggest sony use new features "inspired" by UE5 for their upcoming exclusive titles... We have YET to see a PIXEL produced from any Sony first party teams.. so essentially what you're saying is that they would never be able to produce anything (within a relatively acceptable time frame to you) and more impressive than what was shown in this UE5 showcase, so they should resort to using features inspired by it resulting in ALL of Sony's first party Studios to pay royalties for using epic's assets in their games for the remainder of the upcoming generation. 😂😂😂.. seriously man think before you speak, or maybe this just highlights my point of your subtle downplaying anything Sony.

Realms1858d ago

@darthv72

This is a third party demo showcasing what third party developers could achieve, we all know Sony's first party studios are going to push the PS5. So as impressive as this demo is I suspect Sony's in house studios are going to blow people away.

UltraNova1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Darth,

Hideo Kojima managed to take an engine foreign to him (Decima) and make a game in less than half the time it took Bend studio to make DG, that used Unreal. Hideo Kojima of all people...let that sink in for a minute. If that doesn't say something about Sony's internal game engines I don't know what does.

That said Sony games take longer than other big 3rd party games simply because they are known for their high quality bar and creative freedom they allow their studios. So if games like Spiderman, Bloodborne, GoW, Uncharted 4 etc etc take more time than usual in development then so be it, it's worth it in my book.

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bouzebbal1857d ago

darthv72

" I hope UE5 gets adopted by Sony"
lol why should they? just compare previous UE with Sony's 1st party graphics engines. It's day and night..
UE always had terrible facial animations, which is crucial if you want to make a gorgeous game immersive.

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_dangerclose_1858d ago

Proof PS5 is definitely a BEAST like the developers have been saying all along.

lelo2play1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Looks good. Ran at 1440p 30 FPS (no ray tracing) on PS5.

oasdada1858d ago

Better than whatever xbox showed.. ill take this in 1080p than any of the last gen thing in 8k

deleted1858d ago

I've never had my head blown so good!

Tapani1858d ago

It looks like next-gen, for sure!

Neutral thoughts: 1440p 30fps upscaled to 4K for PS5, and maybe native 4K60fps for PS5 Pro? I'd presume 1800p 30fps for XSX, which is a really small difference. Might make sense to upgrade from PS4 Pro to PS5 Pro. Especially with a huge backlog and after tuning Pro to reasonable noise levels!

Fantangoooo1858d ago

Finally something to feast on. I was expecting something of this Level from inside Xbox but this makes me feel a whole lot better about next gen. we need to now see actual games showing this level of fidelity then I can part with my money with all smiles

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MatriXcian1858d ago

So PS5 shows off next gen better than XSX so far, this is only the beginning.

XBManiac1858d ago

And does it with developers showing it. Developers, developers, developers!

Manic20141858d ago

I think that's a bit of an overstatement - this is a tech demo of course. I think the best is still to be seen from both sides.

_dangerclose_1858d ago

Spin it all you want its still running on PS5.

anubusgold1858d ago

Yeah and i find it funny that Epic ignored the fact that Intel is stuck on pcie 3.0 where Amd is already on 4.0 and already had 4.9 speed drives when x570 motherbords launched you can buy 4.0 drives for almost a year now. Corsair Force MP600 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express Gen 4.0 x4 NVMe

senis_kenis1857d ago

anubusgold > Corsair Force MP600 uses Phison PS5016-E16 8channel controller vs 12ch on ps5. Still much lower iops on pc vs ps5 ssd solution. And has no decompression hardware.

Donnie811858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Yeah that dynamic 1440p 30 FPS no ray tracing has Microsoft shaking in their shoes I’m sure

MatriXcian1858d ago

I don't care if the games are 1440p and 30 fps if they look like the demo shown. The fact is this blows away anything MS has shown too date. This is what we ALL were looking for this is next gen.

Cupid_Viper_31858d ago

@Donnie81

It doesn't matter if it's dynamic 0.053p running at 0.0000045 FPS with whatever other bullsh!t spec you might want to spout in an attempt to downplay it. Because what my eyes just saw is downright SUPER IMPRESSIVE! And 1080p, 4K, 2K, 0.5K doesn't have a single effect on that at all.

Not once during the video did I stop and go "but is it running @ 4k?". Not once...

The PS5 is Impressive and some of you are going to have to come to terms with that. The sooner the better though.

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Donnie811858d ago

Come on guys I’m just messing with ya. The settings are pumped up so high on this the series x itself could only run this on dynamic 4k.

Donnie811858d ago

To ol dude down below saying I’m butt hurt I’m not at all I’m pretty sure my reply was factual. But no need to get mean can’t we be civilized:)-

cannon88001858d ago

@Donnie81 If you think the "Tower of power" is going to be significantly better, you're shit outta luck.

itsmebryan1858d ago

It's funny how specs don't matter once PS5 doesn't have the superior specs. Smh

Benficaman1858d ago

1440p 30fps that obliterates everthing that microsoft showed. We play games, not resolutions.

ps5fanboy1858d ago

imagine how much more better on a newer ps5 build with more power and rtx on??

_dangerclose_1858d ago

Wasn't the next Assassins Creed just announced to be running at 30fps on series x the other day? Sony has nothing to worry about either apparently.

Donnie811858d ago

Actually dangerclose ac Valhalla is confirmed to run at at least 30 FPS they have never said no 60. It’s a shame if both the ps5 and the sx don’t run it at 60. Because both should be able to do it easy

Vasto1858d ago

@Donnie81

You are so mean. LOL

azizlksa11858d ago

Three years ago you were gaming on 720p 30fps

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AnubisG1858d ago

Correction: PS5 show off actual next gen while xbox didn't.

fathertime44641858d ago

So ps5 shows off a video and it's all high praise.... double standard again

Nyxus1858d ago

'PS5' didn't show off a video, Epic did. And this wasn't hyped by Sony as some time of next gen gameplay reveal. Epic just used the PS5 hardware to showcase their new engine.

IRetrouk1858d ago

Sony didnt show off anything, epic did.

Ron_Danger1858d ago

You think a direct feed from a ps5 dev kit is the same as PC in engine cut scenes with estimated performance for XSX?

That’s sad dude

notachance1858d ago

this is the day when I realise false promise and surprise demo should be judged the same, thank you fathertime4464 for showing me the way

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Prem8tuaProcrastin8a1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

You must of missed the hellblade 2 trailer. You do realize what they showed will look even better on xsx? It's superior in every measurable way apart from I/O throughput. That ain't gonna make up the gap.

gravedigger1858d ago

Hellblade 2 is a target render cutscene. This tech demo is ACTUAL GAMEPLAY.

Prem8tuaProcrastin8a1858d ago

@gravedigger how is it gameplay? It's A TECH DEMO. There is no "game". And btw, don't be thinking that because it's on ps5 it means it will look any different on any other next gen platform, here's what epic have to say on the matter:
The key features we're debuting will work across all of the next generation console platforms," adds Sweeney. "We don't have performance comparisons, we can't share performance comparisons, but this is a feature set you can count on with that generation, particularly micro polygon geometry with the Nanite technology and real-time global illumination with Lumen."

fathertime44641858d ago

Its gameplay because its ps5 dude that's all it is.
It doesn't matter if it was scheduled by sony or a tech demo by epic. If it has ps5 in its title it's as good as a flawless 50karot diamond. Nothing anyone says can take away the flawlessness of this video because it's based on information regarding the ps5

gravedigger1858d ago

"@gravedigger how is it gameplay? It's A TECH DEMO"

Surely isn't cut-scene like Hellblade 2. Did you ever played tech demos? Like UE4 Tech demo few years ago. UE5 showcase actual was gameplay. Cheers!

gravedigger1858d ago

You have bunch of tech demos which are playable from start to finish. UE4 tech demo was playable.

Prem8tuaProcrastin8a1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

@gravedigger the hellblade 2 trailer had gameplay in it. And this is A PLAYABLE ENGINE TECH DEMO, NOT GAMEPLAY AS SUCH, AS ITS NOT A GAME. Gonna look even better at 4k on xsx too.

gravedigger1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

" the hellblade 2 trailer had gameplay in it.And this is A PLAYABLE ENGINE TECH DEMO, NOT GAMEPLAY AS SUCH, AS ITS NOT A GAME. Gonna look even better at 4k on xsx too."

No, it didn't have gameplay part at any section. Literally nowhere, otherwise, everyone would see it. It was literally a cut-scene. A target render. At 24fps and 3840x1608

You don't play cut-scene at 24 fps. You watching it.

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

I really don't know what you're trying to prove. Accept that UE5 showcase is tech demo with gameplay and surely bunch of devs praise the PS5s SSD. You won't see UE5 tech demo at 4k on XSX. Really. XSX isn't that strong.

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IRetrouk1858d ago

I really want that playable demo to turn into a game, I know it probably wont but my jaw dropped a few times lol.

AnubisG1858d ago

It will if enough people will talk about it and request it.

IRetrouk1858d ago

True, hopefully people flood the vids and stuff with requests lol

Prem8tuaProcrastin8a1858d ago

You mean like when everyone talked about the Samaritan demo? Still waiting on that.

KwietStorm_BLM1858d ago

It's Epic. No it won't. They do this every generation.

silenthillstrangler1858d ago

We'll see better, imagine the next god of war.

IRetrouk1858d ago

The more the better👍

ApocalypseShadow1858d ago (Edited 1858d ago )

Actually Kwietstorm and Iretrouk, Epic did make a game using the assets of Unreal Engine 3. Remember this?
https://youtu.be/1m7T5ay_8D...

Look at the enemies. Do they seem familiar? Gears of War. You're right. They may not make a game from tech demos. But they did with this one. I was disappointed they didn't make one with The Infiltrator.
https://youtu.be/dO2rM-l-vd...
But I think they could make one now for next gen systems. Here's hoping.

silenthillstrangler1857d ago

You'll soon forget about it when the the real games start coming out.

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Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 devs praise games like Space Marine 2 for "lowering the barrier"

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 developers discuss the huge success of Space Marine 2 and its effect on the series as a whole.

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Jingsing2d ago

How about an official level editor for Boltgun?

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1nsomniac2d ago

It’s easy enough to say that, but why? It feels weird to me when developers say this but common sense would tell you everything about the idea itself should work.

The idea of the concept seems like a winner at whichever angle you look at it so why would publishers not greenlight it?

… it’s almost as if the majority of publishers are massively incompetent at their jobs. But there’s no surprise to anyone there.

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WILD HEARTS S Q&A - 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4'

Wccftech interviewed Koei Tecmo about their upcoming game WILD HEARTS S, gathering their first thoughts on the Nintendo Switch 2 console.

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Christopher4d ago

This new tech, in 2025, is more comparable to 2020 tech than 2013 tech.

*tip toes over that bar*

Also, why are all the comparisons to PS4 and not Xbox One?

Neonridr4d ago

PS4 is more powerful than the XB1, S2 is more powerful than both, so why not use the higher of the two?

Christopher4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Probably because people who owned an XBO and not a PS4 don't really know what it means. The assumption is that everyone is as knowledgeable as journalists or gaming news junkies. Gaming is mainstream, that means that mass majority of people don't know these specifics, only online talking points.

And the PS4 and XBO are the closest in power systems we've ever had, so this 'more powerful' is so small, it really isn't the big talking point people think it is.

RaidenBlack2d ago

I'd rather add, Xbox One X can be used as a good metric to gauge if a said system is more powerful than last gen.

VariantAEC2d ago

It's pretty clear that Switch 2 isn't more powerful than PS4 Pro. Is the base model PS4 being beaten? Well, Switch 2 is hardly ever actually being compared to the base model PS4, but seeing as how it's yet to outperform PS4 Pro in basically any other way than loading data into RAM in video comparisons. I have to assume the individual developer being interviewed has very little experience with PS4 and Xbox One.

OtterX3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Which is great for a handheld/hybrid! Some people still stick to Digital Foundry's PS4 comparison comment as gospel, back when they were just watching trailers and hadn't even had their hands on it yet.

With that said, this interview doesn't go into very much depth on this. I'd like to see more analysis, but so far I'm really impressed with the performance since I got mine on Friday. Truth be told, having a PS4 Pro level handheld is enough for me. Anything beyond is icing. I'm not looking to replace my PS5 or PC.

VariantAEC2d ago

In this case Digital Foundry is right. They didn't adequately explain or sound remotely confident when showing Switch 2's "visual" benefits in that HogLeg comparison was related to loading. Yes, sometimes two massive world segments can be connected by a smaller individual loading zone like how Jak 2 handled open world zones on PS2. There is a small room that in itself is it's own discrete loading zone that you wait inside as the next massive portion of the map loads in. Very common when going from Haven City to any part outside of the city owlr when descending into the sewers or entering the city from the outside or leaving the sewers. Anyway, the HogLeg skybridge loading zone is more detailed because Switch 2 could load in more varied textures. Models load pretty fast. It's probable that the decimated models that appear in the Switch 2 version were supposed to be visible on Xbox One and PS4 in that scene, which might be why they exist on Switch 2. Unfortunately, the same video showcased above shows PS4 Pro is basically ahead of Switch 2 in all other ways imaginable. Higher rendering resolutions with a sharper cleaner image, better effects quality, and a better distance all favor PS4 Pro. Both the Pro and Switch 2 seem to have a pretty solid 30FPS performance level.

MDTunkown3d ago

For how thin switch 2 is it’s impressive especially when it’s stronger than steam deck and cost less

Christopher3d ago

Steam Deck is cheaper at $399. Switch 2 also uses cheaper materials. See joycon drift still being an issue. You'll also save a ton more money on software alone with the Steam Deck.

Honestly, if the Steam Deck was released today, it likely would at least match the Switch 2 in areas where it outperforms the Steam Deck but still have more advantages. Main thing holding back the Deck is the cores and resolution, because it still has the better CPU and GPU otherwise.

Neonridr2d ago

@Christopher - I own one, no stick drift. My OG joycons never had drift either.

Steam Deck relies on FSR which is still inferior to DLSS. Not to mention that the S2 can push double the GPU performance in docked mode. Deck has more memory, which is nice.

I have both, but my S2 will be getting the lion-share of playtime in the near future. That being said, I can still appreciate being able to play my steam games on the go.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

For me, the game sales/prices and flexibility of the Steam deck outweigh the cost of the system itself, but I'll probably get a Switch 2 anyway.

OMNlPOTENT3d ago

And the ps5 was comparable to a PC that could be built over 5 years before it came out lol, how do you think consoles stay affordable?

Christopher3d ago

You're actually proving my point even more.

badz1492d ago

@omnipotent

PS5 comparable to a PC built OVER 5 years before it came out? let's see...

the best mainstream PC combo back in 2015/2016 would be the i7 6700K ($350) + GTX 1080 ($600). Sorry, but that setup is never going to outperform the base PS5 in games, especially modern ones.

you done lying yet or still want to continue lying so your precious Switch 2 doesn't get hurt by facts anymore?

CosmicTurtle3d ago

It’s a tech article speaking about specs people who care about this will know. I did not own an XB1 but know it’s at a similar tech level as PS4. PS4 has a far greater sales footprint, it makes sense to use it.

ABizzel12d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Technologically it’s closer to the Series S….. Raster-wise it’s closer to a base PS4 which has been the point.

Why Switch 2 is better:
The much better CPU allows for higher FPS than the last gen Jaguar CPUs could ever produce.
The 12GB of RAM prevents the system from being bottlenecked in most modern games (even SS fails here)
The storage while not NVMe Gen4 speeds, is significantly faster than the HDD in last gen
It’s a RTX 3000 hybrid, and DLSS is a better upscaling solutions than all other consoles even PSSR currently, and significantly better than checkerboard rending.

This is where the PS4 & PS4 Pro comparisons come into play. Natively it can’t compete with the PS4 Pro, and really closer to the base PS4, but due to the better CPU, more RAM, faster storage, and DLSS it can upscale resolution, image quality, and performance to get close, match, or certain cases exceed the PS4 Pro, and rivals the Series S.

DLSS is really the saving force behind Switch 2 getting current gen ports to acceptable resolution quality, and NVIDIA and Nintendo did it at 10w, so kudos to them, because many of the AAA 3rd party games are and will continue to be native 540p - 720p upscaled through DLSS.

Also this game would benefit from DLSS.

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Sonyslave33d ago

I notice it always ps4 or ps4 pro but never xbox one x which is more powetful then the ps4 pro.

MDTunkown3d ago

And it’s also in someways stronger than series S. Xbox one x is a special console that was never fully utilised and has 1,5 times more teraflops than series s.

badz1492d ago (Edited 2d ago )

but the Bulldozer CPU is much weaker and inefficient compared to Zen2 used in the Series S

Neonridr2d ago

the CPU's were those crappy Jaguar based chipsets though.

jznrpg2d ago

Because most people don’t care about Xbox

repsahj3d ago

This is an ugly port, they should improve it more instead of releasing it early.

gold_drake2d ago

sooo ...

what this is telling us, is that it comes down to the game and the devs optimization.

VariantAEC2d ago

There are already several games on Switch 2 coming up short in side-by-side comparisons. Cyberpunk 2077, Fortnite, and HogLeg are just the first examples with the first game in this list only having better image quality due to DLSS and slightly more stable performance due to that lower resolution than last gen systems enabled by DLSS, but having simplified models at mid distances and fewer NPCs roaming around than on PS4 or Xbox One.