PSM: PS3, 360 are even

PlayStation-centric US magazine PSM has put PS3 and Xbox 360 through a series of rigorous tests in a "definitive head-to-head comparison," and has come out with what must be a surprising result for subscribers: the next-gen console war is a dead heat.

[Maddens Raiders]

has just passed because someone at PSM is sooo fired. Wow.lol

[Joe]

Can someone scan the PSM article and post it? I would like to read the article from beginning to end before I comment.

Thanks.

[CyberSentinel]

...ask anyone who has BOTH systems, and see which one MOST of them choose .

Blind Lemmings, Sony Loves You.

[power of Green]

Yep he's gone.

[mananimal]

I would like 2read the entire article also, but the "MEDIA" controls public opinion/public perception, so in light of the current "Facts" in regards to PS3's(Sony) woes as of late, and the XBOX 360's success's, a usually partisan/pro-Playstation magazine like PSM has no other choice currently but to give 360 its "props" sort of, it can't say PS3's winning the next-gen war cause that would be ridiculous, but for the sake of swaying public opinion, maintaining a positive outlook on things for PS3, it cant say Sony's losing either,(even though this would be more accurate at the present time), So what does a partisan Magazine like PSM do? ..they say its "even"(even though this isnt true currently) ..REMEMBER this is about "PR"(public relations boys & girls), PSM is attemping sway public opinion to keep the fan boys & potential fence sitters from giving up on PS3.

[Marriot VP]

Anyways, I believe you should choose whatever console fits your style - of course.

[DJ]

And based on everything that happened in 06, it basically is a draw...for now. This is an independent magazine, so it's not like Sony's going to drop down on them. They were brave enough to bring in Fran from their sister magazine (Xbox side), which is pretty admirable. A second or even third comparison is inevitable considering the kind of changes Sony's system is gonna go through in the near future.

[FeralPhoenix]

lol -Wow, no joke I was in the store today and I actually read this exact same article from PSM....now I see it posted on N4G, damm thats cool!....DJ, either you are trying to "spin" this or you haven't read the entire article because in their conclusion(opinion) they specifically said that neither system would ever dominate the other this gen -(in so many words). It was wierd to see them say so many good things about the 360, they like 360's exclusives and this was not specifically directed at 2006...in fact the reason they said it was a draw was because it really comes down to the games you prefer....saying the 360 would have better games from western dev's and online content and of course PS3 will have more of the Japanese style dev games , sure both will have a mix but this will be their strength....whats really interesting is more and more "sources" are saying that Blu-ray isn't going to be a "significant" difference for GAMES -NO I'm not implying that they said it was bad for them....actually I've always said more space is always good, but like I've been telling you it's not something in this gen that will be "neccessary" for games, thats all....now for those who want Blu-ray HD movies and don't want to buy a expensive player...the PS3 is without a doubt a good value -AGREED. At any rate I will say that: This one article from PSM actually gave me alot of respect for the MAG as a whole....it does take alot of guts to go against the grain and "try" to be un-biased in what is essentially suppose to be a "bias magazine."

[bilal]

360 and ps3 are certainly not even .... by the end of this year we all would know better

[Dusk]

the, "Oh just you wait and see, in blablahblah time it's over". First it was, "Just wait until the PS3 launches, then it's over." That came and went with nothing ending. Now its, "just wait until a year from now, then it's over." What's going to happen then? Is Sony going to reveal that there's a hidden magic, supercomputer button that once you push it, the PS3 transforms into the greatest piece of electronic equipment that ever graced this planet......and makes berry snowcones?

There's a major flaw in this fanboy logic. I completely agree that games for the PS3 will get better. The services (like online network) will also get better, although at a slower rate than if Sony was a software company. I also completely agree that a launch is not completely indicative of all that a console will offer. Plus, Sony has got some big games on the horizon. However, the flaw is that the 360 will continue to get better as well. MS has some big games on the horizon. The 360's services will continue to get better, but at a slightly faster rate as MS is a software company.

The PS3 needed to hit the market running, with games and services at the very least equal to the 360 or, if Sony every told the truth, better than the 360. The PS3 has to catch up with both as it hit the market behind in games and services, all the while the 360 is getting better and priced significantly less. I honestly believe that if Sony did not force bluray into the PS3, the PS3 would be in a MUCH, MUCH better position. It would be Sony's brand recognition and japanese developer support versus MS's software services and PC developer support. MS would still have its head start (since cell and RSX problems also contributed to the PS3 delays) but there would be no price issue. This is Sony's biggest hurdle. The average consumer wants to see from day one that they are getting more for the extra money they have to spend. They don't want to spend more now, hoping that in the future bluray MAY be influencial for games, or that the PS3 games MAY get better than 360 games. They want it now, which also explains the heavy criticism of the PS3 from the media.

[frostbite06]

Yah, wait until the end of the year when Halo 3 launches

[CyberSentinel]

Your right Bilal, their covering their own asses because at the end of the year, they may be all working for Microsoft.

[Grown Folks Talk]

games and personal preference. there are probably a few diehards that will buy a $300-$600 system for 1 game (halo 3/MGS4), but not very many. it's a matter of which exclusives you prefer. the extra features and services are just extra icing on the cake.

[THAMMER1]

I have to agree. You have even trade offs for both consoles. 1st the DVD drives PS3 has BR and it has the most available space but has not shown and true advantages yet. The 360 has a DVD drive with less space but has not shown to be a disadvantage. 2nd the joystick PS3 has a motion sensor which has proven a better way to shoot free throws in basket ball games but not much of a innovation anywhere else. The 360 is what we are used to because of rumble so there is no loss there. I do have to say I hate the fact that the PS3 internal batteries are not replaceable too. =[ Xbox live has no competition at all and PS online is free. The features ground is too even right now.

This console generation will come down to the abilities of the CPU's and the GPU's. And the developers will need to take full advantage of them for both consoles. So I say it will be dead even until 2008. Halo 3 will take 2007 hands down.

[GaMr-]

"Halo 3 will take 2007 hands down."

Hands down to wat MGS4. I beg to differ my friend. But then again its your opinion. As far as the eyes can see. I see game of the year awards "so far" and only "so far" Coming down to

Halo 3 (xbox360)
MGS4: (PS3)
God of War 2 (ps2) <---dont forget its by votes and this system has by far the largest install base of all consoles still in production !!!

But who knows wat tricks are up Microsoft and Sony sleeves. Ever heard of a "Kansas City Shuffel" lol !!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

that's assuming MGS4 actually comes out this year. kojima seems to like to take his time and get things exactly as he wants them. not saying for sure it won't come out, but i wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

[THAMMER1]

You think that HALO 3 is less anticipated than MGS4? You need to come out from under that rock. *LOL* Just put it this way Sony will need to seel 20 million plus consoles buy 11/2007 for MGS4 to out sell Halo 3.

[TheMART]

When a Playstation Mag say it's a draw, biased as they still are, it's obviously a win for the 360.

You can't make anything else of the current situation. More games out there for the 360, more exclusives, more AAA games, overall higher rated games etc etc

Plus a premium online service.

Sony lacks in all area's. Only thing is Resistance, which is good. Not great, good.

So for sure, 360 wins now hands down. First have to see the 'potential' that people are buying the PS3 for. I'd rather go for good things now that are real, then hope for goodness in the future that may not be like Sony tells (lie) to you

[PS360PCROCKS]

You know oddly enough I like reading your posts, I mean atleast I know that their well drafted and actually readable considering some peoples spelling deficiencies. But mainly you have some very good points, yes I understand your a little bias towards the 360 but I dont think you let that get in your way. Bluntly put man you actually add something to this site so thanks. Also I felt like being nice since you'll probably have like 15 disagrees for your comment soon enough, everyone seems to disagree with things that are the truth I guess.

[Siesser]

PSM is now the only Playstation Magazine left. They've always been pretty open-minded guys though; I mean, of course they love Playstation, but every single one of them owns and loves their 360, and they've never been afraid to point out the flaws and faults with the PS.

And if no one bought a system based on its potential, it would just die.

[GeneYus]

its not OBVIOUSLY a win for the 360. Its a tie right now, you want it to be a win, but its not. Sony may not have performed as well as people wanted them to but they performed better then they had previously. Sony will not own the market this gen, but neither will 360, therefor its OBVIOUSLY NOT a win for either. And yes, 360 has better games right now, which is expected after a year head start. If they didnt, then we could pretty much write them off as another failure. And Sony has several things going for them right now, first of all, the PS3 is a work of art in and of itself, quality that the 360 could only dream of attaining. My 360 freezes all the time, and it scratches my games all to hell. I can barely get a game of Rainbow 6 to start up anymore its been so mutilated. And Resistance by the way is a GREAT game, not good, GREAT. If you cant see that, then you obviously havent played through the game. Nor have you been through a 40 player deathmatch. As for the whole waiting thing, patience is a virtue. So we've had to wait (a long freakin time) for our games, but we waited for xbox to produce quality as well. I love my xbox, but its a janky piece of plastic compared to my PS3. Its got better games, but thats not going to last for very long. Personally I'm excited about far more PS3 games then xbox games. Mass effect looks pretty good, Alan Wake should be amazing, but I'll take Heavenly Sword over ANY xbox offering including the overhyped Gears, Halo Franchises. In addition to quality, the Sony people arent trying to up the console cycle like your precious MS. I may have put down 600 bucks for my PS3 but I dont have to worry about buying another system for several years. MS is already showing prototypes of a new xbox after only a year! 400 dollars every 3 years is a lot more than 600 every 10. In addition, BluRay is a great addition. Maybe a lot of xbox people dont care about movies, but I love them, I was excited about bluray and am more than happy to pay the extra cost to have a quality HD format for my favorite films. You pay an extra 200 for HD DVD which brings your total cost up to what I paid for my PS3 and you get a format thats far less likely to succeed. And if BluRay does win the format war (which is looking more and more likely every day) then MS says they'll put out a BluRay addon for the xbox. DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA BRING OUT A MORE EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY FOR 200 DOLLARS? Yeah, I dont think so either. And the obvious winner of the console wars?! ME!! Cause I got em both.

[Lucidmantra]

The only game my 360 has scratched was my fault. How much stuff do you have stacked on top of your 360?

I agree that you are the winner because you have both... Resistance is not any better than GOW they both represent the best games available for their respective console. But they are different games aas many many many people have pointed out.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Just a quick comment on something you said, "In addition to quality, the Sony people arent trying to up the console cycle like your precious MS. I may have put down 600 bucks for my PS3 but I dont have to worry about buying another system for several years. MS is already showing prototypes of a new xbox after only a year! 400 dollars every 3 years is a lot more than 600 every 10."

First off...I have yet to see any prototypes being shown...and I am pretty damn sure you haven't either since things of that nature are totally top secret for these companies.

Secondly...I would fully expect and hope MS, Sony & Nintendo would all have some kind of dev. team in place to start working on the next version in some fashion or not. MS stated they were looking at a 4-5 year life cycle btw..not 3.

Third...You act like a 4-5 year life cycle is a bad thing? Let me tell you, what Sony did by riding the PS2 for 10 years was basically akin to being lazy and reaping the rewards of the major competition failing early on (sega) or entering too late (MS). I am sorry but I am rather glad MS is getting these guys to think more in line with the PC world where upgrading should be done every so often. Consoles now will begin updating more regularly and get the newest, better tech to allow them to stay competative in the gaming market.

Change is good if done right...and a 4-5 year life span is perfectly fine for 360 owners. Remember...we have had our console over a year already and have been enjoying great games. PS3 owners are just now coming to the party.

[GeneYus]

You make many valid points in reference to the speeding up of the hardware cycle. I was just trying to point out that a lot of people claim the 360 to be the best value, but they're only talking about right now. When you're putting down the amount of money that we do on games we're basically investing in these systems. Investments are not short term so it irritates me that people only look at short term results when comparing long term investments.

As for the new xbox console, there are pictures all over the web, its not entirely new, its more of an upgraded 360, with HDMI ports, larger hard drive, etc. But still, it makes me mad that they would release something like this when I've already spent 400 on their system. Give me something that has lasting value. Plus look at the way they completely abandoned the original box. I've never seen a company abandon a product so mercilessly. At least the PS2 is still getting strong support, and so did the PS1.

Everyone talks about MS like they're loyal to their fans cause they make a system thats easy to develop for but I dont see it that way. I see Sony as supporting their users much better. I mean the xbox didnt even have a year warranty on it till the PS3 came out.

As for my game being mutilated, I'm actually planning to take the system back and get a new one since I have a warranty from best buy, but its irritating none the less. I've very careful with my media, and if I showed you the scratches you would see that they're from the xbox laser since they go in circle patterns.

I dont think that Sony was lazy with the PS2, I think it took people that long to fully reach the potential of the PS2. Look at the first gen games compared to what they're producing now. God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy XII, no one would have guessed in the first year of the PS2 that it was capable of such amazing games. I see the same thing happening with the PS3. MS goes with well known technology thats easy to develop for while Sony goes for powerful unknown technology that takes longer to understand but delivers more and more amazing content thru its life cycle. And for all those saying the emotion engine never lived up to its hype, you guys didnt stick around long enough, the titles I mentioned earlier fufill the promises Sony made about the PS2. People are so concerned with immediate results they dont realise that waiting has its rewards.

[ALItheWISE]

People would know its a good deal, but for some reason they refuse to do that. I mean blue ray players are going for $1000 and you can get that and a PS3 for $600. I dont like the force fed blue ray but it is a good deal. But lots of people arent ready for all that and thats why its not selling well. Im sure its gonna pick up steam but it sure starting off extremely slow!!!!! But hearing that from PSM. WOW!!!!! Whats next Nintendo Coupons??????????

[scriptkiddie]

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[GaMr-]

I dont get the "force fed" bluray deal. Sony made it clear. system is running on blu ray. you want PS3 its bluray based. Dont want bluray dont buy PS3. that simple. "forcefed" i just dont understand how people arrive at that. "hmmm Infiniti force fed me Gasoline powered engine when I bought my Car".....

Its not like Ken was like "hey kaz guess wat im sneaking a blu ray drive in this bad boy and no one will know till they buy it" Then wen you fired up your PS3 the start screen said OWNED by Bluray !!! lol even though that would be funny.

I could be wrong but I just see the term thrown around alot and I personally dont see how people arrive at it. Maybe im just a different kind of consumer if i dont want it I dont buy it. There is always an alternative and if you dont think the alternative is better well then your not being force fed your making a choice. thats my opinion correct me if im wrong.

[original seed]

you CANT get a PS3 without Blu-ray. If you want a PS3 you be forced into blu-ray. Microsoft decided to give you the choice to add a HD Drive. Sony could have done the same but chose to force it on the PS3 community. Also with purchasing cars you always have a choice. I chose to get a Toyota Pruis instead of their new SUV so that my wife would not spend much on gasoline. Also, Gasoline is a standard. In videogames it would be equivilant to joypads/controllers. Now did infinity force you to get the luxury package or did you choose to get the standart package and you took it upon yourself to upgrade to leather and possibly some cool rimsa. Now please show me an alternative way that i can buy a playstation 3 without bluray.

[Maddens Raiders]

I'm not sure you understand what "forcing" Blu-ray vs. a bolt on HD-DVD player really is. True, MS does not FORCE anyone to purchase the HD-DVD player. It's simply an option in that if you want to view HD movies on your 360 you can go lay down the cash and pick it up. On the flipside SNE has not forced anyone to purchase their Blu-ray "driven" console either. The BD in the PS3 is OEM and functions as a superior HD movie playback machine as well as the capability of allowing dev's more space to create games and add more content. This will come into clearer view here in the next few months with SNE's big budget game releases. You can't run games on the MS HD-DVD drive. It's not a forced issue. Either you'll pay $500 - $600 for the BD PS3 or opt to pay $399 for the 360 w/o the capability of plying larger games on a disc (BR) capable of holding more information. Take the red pill or the blue one. The choice is yours. =]

[MikeGdaGod]

I have both systems and agree for the most part with this article. I think that they are even right now, but as that really speaks good for the ps3. Not that they're even with games now, just overall. If the 360 has out for a year and they are even with the ps3, to me it seems the ps3 will come out the winner. The 360 will get better also, but there wont be too much more than whats already known.

The ps3 has the potential to be around long after the 360 dies and MS comes out with another console. This is the first thought i had when sony said the Cell will never use 100% of its power. Maybe there wont be a reason for a ps4. Maybe ps3 is really future proof

[Grown Folks Talk]

unless they can upgrade their CPUs and GPUs through downloaded updates, or CPUs and GPUs will never be better than they are now. i don't believe either is the case.

[Close_Second]

...to get at least 8 - 10 years out of the PS3. What a joke!!! in 5 years time the current cell in the PS3 will look as good as a 16-bit megadrive. If Sony is not releasing a PS4 in 2011 then they will probably be 2 years behind the next Xbox.

Consoles can only afford a 5-6 year life span given that technology moves so quickly. Oh, and who gives a damn about Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD. By the time you actually get your moneys worth, Blu-Ray players will be under $100. I wish everyone would stop saying the PS3 is actually good value for money because as a games console its not. If it was such great value for money, why is the Wii outselling it everywhere?

[fjtorres]

...that a 50% price cut and 20 software updates can't fix.
Plus some new games.
It'll take time, though, MS isn't standing still; they're already working on *new* ways to make Sony's life miserable.
So yes, a tie is not a bad prediction to make today, but keep in mind that all indications are that a tie is the *worst* that XBOX will get, come 2009 or thereabouts and that an outright win is no longer impossible.

As things stand, MS will do no worse than maintain their installed base and pricing lead well into 2009 and possibly 2010 and the next-generation.

Sony has two advantages over MS at this point; brand loyalty (but that's a currency they've been depleting for the last two years) and japanese nationalism. We know the japanese will never buy an american console, even with japanese games, but every day that goes by japan matters less to the global market and right now Nintendo is looking to rule Japan, anyway. So that limits PS3 japanese sales (no big boost to the installed base this time around) and forces the previously PS-only japanese developers to protect themselves by developing more for Nintendo and 360, especially if they have any kind of export ambitions.
Certainly it doesn't hurt that Capcom's two big releases for 360 have hit a million sales each (and Lost Planet got there in weeks).
There's money to be made off them 360 boxes!

As of January 07 MS has about a 9 Million box installed base lead. Judging by the (not-so) vast numbers Sony will ship to Europe for that launch, it doesn't look like they'll be within sniffing distance of 6 million by June, so lets be kind and say they'll be at 4 million when MS hits 12. That brings the gap down to 8 million.

Second half, MS will likely cut prices and let loose the Spartans of war so they'll likely do no worse than match Sony sales at retail.

Basically status quo, right?

Except that. unlike Sony, MS will have a *second*, non-retail, channel for 360 sales in the second half of 07 and going forward; the OEM STB 360 boxes to be used for IPTV. And that is a complete wildcard. That could mean as a few as a million 360's or as many as 3 million, depending on how and when they start building them. And a lot of those boxes will be going (as leases!) to people who wouldn't necessarily think of buying a 360. Its a whole new ballgame children.

Bottom line is that while Sony has work to do to catch up to where 360 is today (in games, online, and media) MS is well ahead in installed based, manufacturing cost reductions, and alternate sales and revenue channels. Just remember, this generation its not just about the hardware or even the games. MS has those but they also have other weapons in their arsenal that Sony can't match. Period. These are not things fanboys notice but they certainly help the bottom line and are more likely to influence the outcome of the so-called console war than any single game, no matter how popular.

Lets just say MS will do no worse than a tie and point out Nintendo hurts Sony more than MS. It *is* a three way race, after all. No wonder Gates is happy with 360 as it stands.

[UrbanJabroni]

"There is nothing wrong with PS3...
...that a 50% price cut and 20 software updates can't fix. "

That is the best summation I have seen. Nice.

[bilal]

i never said that ps3 would win by the end of a year......what i said was that after the end of 2007 it would be conclusive as to whoever have the edge, it could even be nintendo......or 360 by a long margin....

before you start ranting please make sure you dont read what is not written....

[GaMr-]

Not trying to sound cheesy but thats the kind stuff of I come to this site for. "Valid logical Reasoning" . I'm still behind my point that I made at the same time you made a good one as well. What im stating is "they made it pretty clear there is no PS3 without Blu-ray" Bluray makes the PS3 clock go around. To offer it without blu ray would defy the purpose in a way. I dont think they force fed costumers as much as they more likely have taken up the responsibilty to make sure blu ray is successful or they are how do you put it "screwed royally". So I guess you can say they took a gamble more than they say the force fed. Its not all one sided. People forget at the end of the day "WE" are the consumers "WE" have the final word. "WE" make the purchase.

[ApocalypseShadow]

a small company with no power.sony has more music,more movies,more games,and more brand loyalty than microsoft.sony also has more innovative ideas that can't be matched.that dual analog controller your holding for 360?copied from sony.that rumble in the controller?yep,copied from sony.the eyetoy camera(awsome idea),the hard drive,dvd playback,dvd remote,online and services that sony was too slow to get up and running on ps2?you guessed it.copied from sony.microsoft only improved and ran with those ideas and made it work as a software company.

sony has the retail channels,they have the advertising,they have the capability to streamline the system and make it cheaper because they own and make the hardware.microsoft has a better shot this time because they own some of the components now.all microsoft has is live,a bigger installed base and a head start.doesn't mean that will stay the same.and not everyone plays online.

as for being forced with bluray?why should i be forced to buy a 360 with a dvd drive?how about a cd drive to make it cheaper to buy?wait,you say you need more space for games?really?sony offered it to devs and said you have more space to put any type of content on the disc.that's not a negative.that's a positive.don't try to spin it.it is a positive.one worldwide sku for simultaneous release,multiple languages,more sound tracks and voice overs.just more content without MULTIPLE DISCS.with the option to cache files on the hard drive for faster loading.loading already is decent.i don't have any complaints.bluray isn't a psp loading up a wrestling game.and the disc covers any large game for the next 10 years without trying to squeeze it on a dvd.

right now,it's going to be up to the big guns to decide who leads for the next few years.yes microsoft has a very big gun with halo3.but that's it.there are new ips coming,but none as large and as well known as halo3.what was the biggest sellers on xbox?halo and halo2.other games sold well like EA's games.but other than that,nothing.just halo.

sony on the other hand had games in all genres.and that was just themselves without third parties included.they also have big companies like square-enix that stand by sony first.not microsoft.i wouldn't count out japan becuase a third of our games come from there.japanese games are also shouted out loud by some 360 fans about sales.doesn't mean a japanese company,or any japanese company will abandon sony.a JAPANESE COMPANY.

the war has just started.over one year against 2 1/2 months.one country has sony already beating microsoft with sales of a HIGHER PRICED system and hd-dvd is dead with a 96% bluray installed base.europe will be the second country that sony passes microsoft.not sure about bluray over there.as for america?microsoft has the lead.FOR NOW ANYWAY.and bluray is starting to lead over here."OUT NOW ON DVD AND BLURAY."I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE,ONE HD-DVD COMMERCIAL.

it's not over yet.just getting started.sony is in a good position selling more systems in the same time frame as when ps2 launched.let's see how it all pans out.

[DJ]

and the first things that came to mind were dreamcast/PS2 style controller and PS2 features, such as the hard drive, dvd drive, dvd movie playback, etc. No wonder Kaz Hirai told the press how hard it's been trying to innovate when Microsoft keeps copying almost every strategy they put out. "We can't shake these guys off our backs!"

In Japan, the 360 is half the price of the PS3, but the PS3 beat 52 weeks of Xbox360 sales within a 4 week period. Within the past 8 weeks it's doubled that figure. PS3 is breaking 360 sales records, despite the fact that it was released in fewer countries and with fewer consoles at launch. That says a lot.

I can only imagine what'll happen after the European launch and heavy hitters like Lair and Motorstorm hit the shelves.

[ArmrdChaos]

Kaz can shove it up his crap hole. The Japanese wouldn't even have an economy right now if it wasn't for American innovations. Any idea where the IC Chip, Personal Computer, or first video game was born??? There were stand up arcade games with dual joysticks before the playstation brand even existed...all they did was miniaturize it. Innovative....whatever.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

“sony also has more innovative ideas that can't be matched.that dual analog controller your holding for 360?copied from sony.that rumble in the controller?yep,copied from sony”

And Sony stole ideas from Sega and Sega took some from Nintendo and Nintendo capitalized on the failure of Atari. You know….. R&B met Country and made Rock n Roll, while Psychedelic Rock spawned Metal and Metal said hello to Hip Hop.

“rock n roll also has more innovative ideas that can't be matched.that electric guitar your holding for metal?copied from rock n roll.that amplifier its pluged in to?yep,copied from rock n roll” <------ :-)

Fact, every game designer or console manufacture barrow from one another. Why…. because this is how “new” software and hardware get made. This is how all new technology gets made and I’m going out on a limb here but I’m going to say it’s impossible to progress as a human race without stealing every idea from everyone.

You just seem mad, is it because the 360 (Yes and the Wii) has done it better with “innovative ideas” this round.

[bobbybrown]

Can somebody tell me what's so good about the 360's online services? Every xbox fans just say it's so great but nobody says why

[Columbo]

Just to name a few things:

unified friends list (I can see what game everyone is playing and compare our achievements) <---I can do this on xbox.com as well

xbox live arcade

rent HD movies online

being able to jump into a multiplayer or co-op match with a friend just by hitting "Join in progress."

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Its really hard to say in a few words. I mean the LIVE experience once you get into it is very deep and rewarding. More than anything you really feel you are part of a community. You are always just a couple taps of buttons away from friends/invites to any game no matter where. This is part of the unified system that Sony opted to avoid and imo is the number one thing that makes LIVE so great. Its just seamlessly integrated into everything and you don't notice it...which is a great thing. There are tons of other little things...achievements, comparing games, multiple downloads behind the scenes while you play, downloading movies/tv shows...and a ton more. And trust me Sony again missed the mark by not making achievments part of the online. They are addicting as all get out!

Post 18: Geachy..not 100% what you are trying to imply..but if its to slam the 360 online you are SADLY mistaken.

[geachy]

The online service for 360 it makes the wii's look next gen. It is so bad and so is the wii.

[Optimus Prime]

BHAHAHA! that is just the dumbest item of the day right there. The 360 has the worst online service, if you think sony's online service is better than xbox's, get out of your wet dream. Nothing beats XBLA, unfied friends list, downloading HD movies. more and more.

[zonetrooper5]

Why would anyone but the PS3 for Resistance, that game looks so awful. Buy a PS3 and Motorstorm than you will be happy. Shadowgamer, Sony never invented the Hard Drive, it was already being used in Computers a long time before and even then it never came into the European version of the PS2. Theres already something called the webcam so did Sony copy the webcam and improve it? Did Sony copy the PC online service and make it worse? Ddid Sony copy the DVD playback which was in DVD players before? Sony, MS and Nintendo all copied each other, its a part of life and you can never claim it as your own unless you made it better, you changed something to make it better etc.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

They all harvest ideas off each other, and btw...MS actually developed the first motion sensitive controller a ways back for PC's but it was not widely liked due to the limited support in games.

Anyway, its this back and forth, copying and improving that is what makes having competition so important. Gaming will just get better and better for all with it.

[TheXgamerLive]

Sony is way way behind, there is no draw for now. that's wishful sony thinkingf, I mean common sence tells us that. If your a sony game lover then ps3 is best for you and if your an Xbox 360 game lover then Xbox 360 is best, ....but, on a scale of where hardware and software and it's functionality is at, then it's no contest at all. Xbox 360 is bleems ahead for now, beginning 2008 will be the true test for all 3 consoles. Xmas 2007 will begin to set the true pace of things, but for now , now way and you know it.

[The BS Police]

In the end it comes down to the games you prefer.

[Blackmoses]

What I miss? What I miss?

The Flame Wars start yet?!!!

***this story probably should have never got posted...LOL!***

[power of Green]

PS3 isn't even on the same level as an media Home entertainment divice. IPTV, Live Anywhere, XNA, Tons of Next-gen Social titles which are very popular right now(online capable). I agree saving a little face is better than none(PS3 & 360 even?).

[0ldb0y]

As with apples and oranges, you'll never have an objective comparison on every point because they're different products. Some will tout PS3's look, built in functionality and storage flexibility. Xbox 360 advocates put community and Live on a pedestal over Sony's online network. Major differences aside, when comparing what both are capable of doing and claim to do well, which is play video games, there is very little difference. I'm confident that a majority of people out there bought them for that main reason.

These comparisons are done to death, and even the definition of "winning" is ambiguous. Is it to process the most gigaflops? To have the most exclusive titles? To make the most money? To have the prettiest shape?

Or was it to provide the most entertainment?

[scriptkiddie]

Quote: "mean blue ray players are going for $1000 and you can get that and a PS3 for $600."

Why is it that the only reason to get a PS3 is for a cheap blu-ray player. I thought the PS3 was supposed to be a game machine.

When people talk about the 360 they talk about the AAA games, awesome online service. The PS3....well it has blu-ray.

Maybe this is why the system isn't selling. Doesn't this look like it could be a problem for sony.

[whengeeksgobad]

I love how everyone is taking a draw to mean anything but a draw. It means they are equal. For the fanboys who take that as a slight towards either system I say just relax. Dependant upon what side of the fence you sit on it could mean many things but its all just a matter of perspective. Both Sony and M$ have been saying their machine is superior, this is just one (surprisingly unbiased oppinion) suggesting neither is. BooHoo or hooray for both..? Without the games both are just incredibly overpriced paper-weights anyway. Yes, I'm aware the ps3 plays blu-ray discs, I've also never heard anyone say "well with all these great blu-ray titles coming out I HAVE to get my ps3!" Either way, good job to both for building machines so technically capable. I'm eager to see what both will do throughout the next year.

[MissAubrey]

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[slugg]

1. A Sony-centric (PSM mag? Unbiased? Pleeez) magazine called the PS3 and 360 a draw. This IS good news for 360, not-so-great news for PS3.

2. Both of these systems have new content and capabilities coming out in the future, so things can change. If Blu-Ray blows HD-DVD out of the water (which is not likely), then including it in every PS3 will look like genius. Right now, because of what it adds to the PS3's cost, it could be considered and achille's heel. Likewise, when IPTV, XNA, and live anywhere are fully implemented, with all the ramifications of these programs, they might boost 360 to a whole new level that PS3 can't match.

3. Content is king, Whether it is Live arcade games, downloadable HD video, or GAMES. Both PS3 and 360 will have all of these types of features (plus music, connectivity, etc.) So WHO provides WHAT to their users, and the soonest, will make MOST of the difference. Right now, Sony is limping a little behind-- losing 1080p "exclusivity," being the only system capable of showing HD movies "out of the box"-- (you can download HD movies from live, store them on the 360's harddrive, and watch them that way WITHOUT buying the HD-DVD add-on), losing exclusive games (GTA IV, Assassins Creed, VF, etc.), media delivery, and the PSN being as good as Live, but for free (Not even close, yet, Sony)

4. This "battle" is not over. Some people think that Christmas '07 will tell the tale, I doubt it very much. By launching first, Microsoft can price-drop quicker, and has a HUGE game in Halo 3 in the pipeline. Sony may very well sell lots of systems if Lair, Motorstorm, DMC4 and Heavenly Sword are all they are claimed to be, even at $600.00

5. Don't forget the Wii. It is STILL selling like crazy, even while shiny, new PS3's sit on the shelf and 360 sales have leveled off or even declined. NO ONE really thought the Wii would do this well, or that at least the novelty would wear off, eventually. But with Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers out by the end of the year, they could easily distance themselves from PS3 and catch or surpass 360 in systems sold, which would lead to even more devs. making games for Wii, etc.

I love being able to point out that PS3 has a little pie on its face, and that so far, the 360 is doing better than a lot of people expected, because I have a 360 and see no need to buy a PS3.... Yet. But I have an Xbox and PS2, and played the heck out of both, so if the exclusive games are their for the PS3, eventually I will get one of them, too, and probably a Wii for the kids. I love video games of all kinds and everything about them, even these lovely debates on the interwebs. But lets be honest, people, all three systems offer something to somebody, so let the people buy what they want and play what they want-- when 3 huge companies are throwing THEIR money at game developers, and spending it on hardware and features and better games, we, the consumers, ALL OF US, win!

[zonetrooper5]

I agree with ur comment slugg.

[bobbybrown]

"trust me Sony again missed the mark by not making achievments part of the online. They are addicting as all get out!"

No offense but i think that the achievements are a waste of time. They do nothing except point out that some people have probably played more than others. I'd prefer it if they put ranks for the games based on performance or skill instead.

[chitown]

wow i thought they were supposed to be the playstation magazine. not looking good if ur own magazine turns on u

[DJ]

They made valid points, and haven't been afraid to criticize Sony's faults in the past. It'd be great if other magazines were as unbiased as PSM.

We're only two months into the Playstation's life cycle, so it's obvious that they didn't have much to base their comparisons off of. From the looks of it though, Playstation 3 is going to have the advantage by the end of this year. Having superior hardware is great, but the games that are planned for the coming months are actually starting to take advantage of that power much faster than what happened on the PS2.

If the new footage of Lair is anything to go by, then we're in for a hell of a treat.

[TheMART]

"but the games that are planned for the coming months are actually starting to take advantage of that power much faster than what happened on the PS2."

I've heard that before.

You and other Sony fans said:

"Wait untill the PS3 launches and the multiplatforms they worked on longer all those months will look better then the 360 versions. Like FNR3"

Well we've seen that and the PS3 versions were defeated by the 360 versions. FNR3 on the 360 looks better. COD3 on the 360 looks much, much better then the PS3 version. It runs even smoother with 60fps on 360 compared to 30fps on the PS3.

If you talk online, Tony Hawk, Virtua Tennis 3 have no, I repeate: 0,0 online features on the PS3. It has extended online stuff on the 360. MLB 2k7 has 30 person leagues online on the 360, it has 12 person leagues online on the PS3.

Last time fanboys said: "wait, wait wait"

Now they say again "Wait untill the coming months games come out", "wait untill the 2nd gen"

I'll tell you a little secret. When the PS3 has it's 2nd gen, the 360 will have it's 3rd gen. When the PS3 has their 3rd gen, the 360 will have its 4th gen.

They'll always be ahead. Why are titles for the PS3 delayed so much? GRAW 2 I already play the demo on my 360, this night. The game will launch in March for 360 and PC. THe PS3 version is delayed again untill what, fall? And still will get the lesser version.

So stop the waiting, start jumping in. Buy a 360 because you're missing out if you're waiting for potential.

PS3: 'This is paying, this is waiting'

[ApocalypseShadow]

consoles aren't pcs.never have been.probally never will be.did sega or nintendo have a hard drive,dvd remote,backwards compatability(sony did it first before everyone because it was built in.not like the master system converter i bought for my genesis),did they have built in dual motor,dual analog, vibrating controllers?how many games on pc use the camera to play games with?how popular were they?i didn't see any.who was talking about offering games,movies and music for download on ps2?wasn't microsoft.they didn't have a system available.

everything sony has come up with,even the target audience has been copied by microsoft.microsoft didn't go for nintendo's target audience.they went after sony's target audience.nintendo didn't copy sony or microsoft.they have innovation on their own.they don't need sony or microsoft's ideas.microsoft went after the adult audience that sony created because they have money to spend.and two,they no longer want to be spoonfed the same mario games over and over.even if mario is fun.we grew up.we have jobs.we spend money.

i don't see any movies being made that microsoft can offer for download or to sell.plan on watching spiderman 3?yeah,me too.that's sony.listen to music maybe?some of those artists are under sony.think sony could cut deals with it's own artists to offer their music exclusively on ps3 and psp?as for bluray,seen and hd-dvd commercials to support that add-on to let people know that movies are still coming for the format?nope.neither have I.next generation online has an article on sony and bluray.the top five movies last year are only on bluray.the top 11 of 15 are exclusively on bluray only.think spiderman 3 will be on hd-dvd?hope you got a dvd player.sony's movie,i say again,sony's movie will be on dvd and they will reap the rewards from those sales too.

i know you have a 360 and plan on getting ps3 when the price comes down for you.nothing wrong with that.it has games you like.it has online you like.can't disagree with that.i on the other hand was raised on atari and american games,but LIVED ON JAPANESE GAMES.and that particular style.i love action like dmc,rygar for ps2,god of war,castlevania,onimusha.i like flying games like ace combat.i like racing games like outrun,gran turismo,tokyo extreme racer.well...actually put any racer in front of me and if it's good,i'll play it.rpgs like skies of arcadia,final fantasy and phantasy star.those apear in abundance on a japanese system.i don't hate fable or morrowind or knights of the old republic.but mostly,their not my style.their pc style rpgs.i didn't grow up on pc.most of us grew up on console in front of the tv.and that's where my tastes lie.shooters are fun but really do nothing for me.i can't see my character.i can't see my feet,i can't see to the left or right of me and so on.ninja gaiden wouldn't have felt right in first person.dmc wouldn't have felt right.so until microsoft releases games "I" want like they got me to buy the xbox,i don't want the system.it's probally why 360 gamers want a lot of playstation titles to go multiplatform.to get people like me to buy it.so that the lead increases.but looking at the game portfolio,i't not changing my mind on wanting both.

so right now,sony has a dedicated customer.and i know they won't abandon millions of gamers to get the jump on the competition.they still support the old system and support the new one.i can't say the same for microsoft when they said"NO MORE GAMES FROM US"!"BUY THE EXPENSIVE NEW ONE"!"WE MIGHT SUPPORT IT WITH BC BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT IMPORTANT TO US."NFL 2K5 ANYONE?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Then W? the F**k is Sony, Nintendo and MS keep telling the whole world these things are PCs?

And don’t consoles use operating systems like PCs?

Isn’t one of these guys Microsoft? You know… “MICROSOFT” the pirates who brought Windows and put the “PC” everywhere

[chitown]

lair does look pretty sick. but seriously shouldnt the psu magazine be trying to help look the ps3 better not on par with the 360 or inferior? traitors theyre just sore theyre losing their jobs suckers

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Well said! : ] >

[FirstknighT]

"A Sony-centric (PSM mag? Unbiased? Pleeez) magazine called the PS3 and 360 a draw. This IS good news for 360, not-so-great news for PS3"

I wouldn't call it a draw tho'...I would call it a slaughter! The 360 is still outselling the ps3! 17 games have reached the million sale mark with more big sellers coming this year in Crackdown, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Forza 2, Halo3, etc... Nothing on the ps3 in 2007 brings the excitement as GOW! So calling it a draw is a stretch!

The 360 has done so much since its birth! The ps3 hasn't done anything but spit out one good game in Resistance! It looks like the only good news I ever see on the ps3 is about the blue ray player and movies. I prefer the games! Give me the games baby!!!

A draw??? Not even close!

[DJ]

to 2 months of market presence. When a 2-month old console is viewed as being on par with a 14-month old console, it's the older console (the 360 in this case) that is at a disadvantage. The pitiful sales figures of the 360 don't help either. Come on, 14 months and they only sold 5 million consoles in the U.S.? They had two holiday seasons, and still couldn't step up to the plate. No wonder investors are so disappointed in Microsoft.

Either way, you didn't name very many upcoming titles for the 360. Come on. Criticizing the fact that Playstation 3 owners received a killer-app on day one, when 360 owners had to wait a year? What kind of crazy mindset is that?

Why should an independent magazine have unquestionable loyalty to a company that does not have ownership of them in the first place? I find it very surprising that you and others have the nerve to criticize the staff of PSM for NOT lying, for NOT being biased, and for doing such a great job.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

On par? When did the PS3 reached this point?

WTF my alarm clock didn’t wake me to this news, maybe it because its “still” just a DREAM.

[Gamer13]

But its not about which console is more powerfull its about the games for me.

[Harry]

Funk this shyte. I'm gonna go play my Wii.

[JIN KAZAMA]

Keep saying that FNR3 looks better on the 360.
GO read the full review of the game at gamespot.com dumbass. They said the game looks better on the PS3 than the 360 version.

[SPAWN]

The ps3 lost to the XBOX 360 with fnr3 on 40 inch 1080p samsung running side by side at the apollo theatre! The XBOX 360`s version still looked better! The ps3 version has more dev time being that it started out on that system and was supposed to be a ps3 exclusive in the first place! The 360 version was rushed at the last minute! But still the 360 version had better frame rates and ran smoother and looked better @1080p!

[bobbybrown]

i like how 360 fanboys who have never played ps3 are so sure that the 360 has better graphics and that it will remain that way lol. Yes the ps3 fans say "wait until you see the next games". But did you guys look at the ps3 games that weren't quickly made? god damn the graphics are nice. They look like the best games on 360 already!! and that's only the first games.

Just face it! and if you aren't thinking the same, then you need to look at it IN REAL LIFE in HD. You just can't deny it. If you do, then you have no sense of judgment and you don't deserve one.

[joemutt]

the price.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

LOL

[bobbybrown]

i'd rather have a free ps3 network that most of the best features for free than end up paying for what? not much.... the most important part is being able to play online. And don't tell me bullshit about xbox live having more stuff. I own a 360 and a ps3. Yes the 360 marketplace and everything is awesome, but guess what? sony copied it, its free, and i'm sure every ps3 owner are satisfied with it.

[ArmrdChaos]

The self-proclaimed spokesperson for all Sony fandom has just confirmed that Sony has successfully copied Xbox Live overnight and it's FREE!!! Yahhoooo! I'm going to get online right now and message my friends to let them know. Crap, he's playing a game right now...how about...no...he's watching a movie....what about....ah hell I guess I will have to check back later when Sony hires someone to figure it out for them.

Let me clue you in and anyone else running with that "Free" banner. Nothing is free. Equipment and bandwidth cost money. Even though Sony told their fans that they wouldn't charge for it they NEVER promised that their developers (who they dumped the cost on) would follow that same path. They pass those costs off in the price of the game. So for every multi-play enabled game you buy, you pay for the network a little at a time. When all these MMO games start to hit the consoles who do you think is going to have the better shot at NOT having to pay extra to play?

Sorry...Sony's network will always be behind Xbox Live...it is not their expertise. As far as paying for Live...I will readily pay less than 1 dollar a week to ensure a quality, unified, and FUTUREPROOF (LOL..what a term) network. Most people loose more money than that in their couch. Hey...I guess you're the type that prefers FREE TV over paying for digital cable, so to each their own.

[Contra26]

Xbox Live smashes all of what PS3 has got to offer...games, axis, blu-ray, etc.

Xbox Live itself. Jump in.

Note to 360fanboys - the LIVE experience is all you need to kill the PS3

if you ARE a true gamer...
Then pick up the 360 cuz it'll give you a better GAMING EXPERIENCE.

[FKN Unbelievable]

"to 2 months of market presence. When a 2-month old console is viewed as being on par with a 14-month old console, it's the older console (the 360 in this case) that is at a disadvantage. The pitiful sales figures of the 360 don't help either. Come on, 14 months and they only sold 5 million consoles in the U.S.? They had two holiday seasons, and still couldn't step up to the plate. No wonder investors are so disappointed in Microsoft. "

Why should something that came out after the competition still be inferior or slightly on par to a old grey and green box?
Sonee still got Pwned after they came out later and studied the 360 interior hardware.

[Asuka]

Both the 360 and PS3 are equal in my eyes. Both have really fun and cool games coming out, and that's all that matters. 360 has Halo3, PS3 has Killzone PS3, and now both are getting UT3!!! This is just great!!!!

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

PSM is an unbiased news source that happens to be in the Sony camp. I subscribe. They believe, like IGN and 1UP, that the two formats are about equal right now...but they also think it will surpass the 360 in all regions by the end of 2007.

The article just says how they both have their strongpoints, how the PS3 will, within the next year, have better looking games, how Sony has made a few mistakes...and need to admit it, and how much great content is coming to both systems this year...the exclusives will be amazing. Sony has over 100 titles being worked on RIGHT NOW...and those are FIRST PARTY! MS has...Halo 3...and the rest are basically 2nd or 3rd parties...

Sony has always been a company that looks to the future and not the now. That's their strong point...and I think Nintendo's starting to think like they are...but then again...i'm doubting the whole "new HD system in 2-3 years" theory.

The only other company that thinks this far into the future is Apple...which was on top until Steve Jobs was fired. Then, Bill pretty much KILLED Apple. Then, they hired Steve again...and Apple's looking better than ever...especially since everyone knows Vista sux now...

I'm a gamer...not a fanboy...

Xbox Live is the SAME EFFING THING AS the Playstation Network!

The PN just doesn't have as many demos out...THAT'S IT!

[ArmrdChaos]

'Xbox Live is the SAME EFFING THING AS the Playstation Network!'

Make sure you keep repeating that as you click those heels together Dorthy...lol.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

If they're equal, that means they both have the same number of great games...correct? That means Resistance and Gears are the only two nex-gen games worth buying...which is almost completely true.

Why is price an issue for you? Unless you're a broke MF, the PS3 is like buying a really really cheap DELL, except it can actually PLAY GAMES!

They gave best video quality to the PS3, because Blu-ray just effing looks better, there's no competition.

You're so freaking biased...

Why would you hate a console? The only systems that haven't brought anything new to gaming are the original xbox and xbox 360. NOTHING INNOVATIVE!!!

[SPAWN]

Who needs to stop spreading false info! HD-DVD looks and out performs Blu-Ray hands down! It has already been proven! That being said, that doesn`t mean that HD-DVD will win. Just state facts and be un-biased! Also, the 360 has MORE to offer than one game! The ps3 hasn`t got any game worth spending $600 for! RFOM is an alright game! Nothing groundbreaking "NOR" innovative! It is nothing more than call of duty 2 with aliens and I`m not being biased! Ps3 will have AAA titles in the future but RFOM isn`t in the same circle with Gears!!! It should have been on par with Gears but it isn`t! it had the same dev time! Just as Killzone 2 has but there`s still no proof as to how killzone looks and plays to date! And how DARE some people even mention Killzone in the same sentence with HALO?! Killzone 1 sucked major @$$! Stop hoping that CGI video that Fony showed @ E3 2005 comes to fuitition! That game has had WAY more dev time than Gears and it still is a no show! Fony fanboys, face the facts and accept them. XBOX 360 is better and the wii will be better also!

[Asuka]

Stay on topic, and comment in a less negative manner. If you don't agree with someone, take it to the PMs, that's why we have them now. Don't spam up the comment section.

ON TOPIC:

I said it before, both are equal in my eyes. The 360 is in the lead at the moment, and will be for awhile. But the PS3 can caught up as soon as some big name games start coming out. All-in-all, this generation is going to be really, really close. I believe PSM is correct

[Havince]

Played it, didnt think much of it.

Xbox live rules...... PS3's and Wii's just cannot and will not compare

[FordGTGuy]

are going to have a photo finish when it comes to specs but this won't matter. The only thing that matters is how developers take advantage of the power and use it to compete with each other. Which is the better console in specs? Thats up to the devs.

The PS3 has an uphill battle on a very steep hill if they think they are going to win against the Xbox 360 this generation. Win or not as long as there is competition everyone wins Sony and Microsoft fanboy alike.

[peksi]

and neither take seriously:

1. An Xbox 360 review / comparison in PS oriented magazine
2. A PS3 review / comparison in Xbox oriented magazine

Oh such wisdom...

[pixel_sword]

Read this too:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007...

I don't believe that HD-DVD is better than Blu-Ray because the professionals overwhelming approve and chose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD, so I can see that it's a quality over price battle, not a HD-DVD is better, and cheaper argurment. I'll take the professionals over some poster on a site any day.

I don't believe the xbox is better than the PS3 for many reasons:

as a video player, I have to buy an attachment to access the best functions, which puts the price of the xbox near the price of the cheaper PS3, on top of the cooler for the xbox, which brings it over the price of the cheaper, by the way contradicts each other because the cooler sounds like a hair dryer so I have to bear annoying sounds every time I want to play a HD-DVD, versus NO sound for my PS3, other than a very light fan hum that goes away shortly after I turn on my system. The PS3 is clean, it's all on one system, it's not in the respect of a video player a very expensive game system, it's like a FREE game system with $400 coupon for a Blu-Ray disc player.

As a game player, I can't see the the xbox being better, because they already shown that you can only get high-quality games if they're SHORT, so expect the "Gears of War syndrome" for any game made with high quality. You doubt me? Look at the new capcom game LOST PLANET:

http://xbox360.gamezone.com...

VERY nice looking, but VERY SHORT (about eight hours versus gears of war's five). I don't know if it affects gameplay too, because you have a maximum of sixteen players. With the PS3, having the blu-ray gives it DOUBLE the disk size, so expect a high quality game to have more than DOUBLE THE LENGTH given it's equally high quality. Resistance: fall of man is a good example:

http://ps3.gamezone.com/gzr...

VERY nice looking and OVER the average of ten hours. Not bad, having twelve hours of game play versus Gears five hours and Lost Planet's approximate of eight or possibly less, especially being a launch title; and Resistance has an insane amount of online players (fourty). Killzone 2 will be the other example, when it come out later on this year.

http://www.next-gen.biz/ind...

Another thing is that more and more pc programmers will program for the PS3 given it's cell processor design: it's a multicore, and if you "can" program the cell processor, you'll see that you "can" program the quad-core on your PC. it's similar in design, and eventually all programming will be closer to programming on the cell than any other system. The cell is already being used in supercomputers which means some of the best programmers in the world already have experience making systems and engines using the cell processor. The cell processor runs the FASTEST of all the gaming chips.

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840:Intel
Transistors(mil)250 Performance (gigaflops)26

Xbox 360 processor: IBM
Transistors (mil) 165 Performance (gigaflops) 77

Cell: IBM, SONY, TOSHIBA
Transistors (mil) 234 Performance (gigaflops) 230

Source:

http://members.forbes.com/f...

I also find it very fanboyish when someone comments on the online "quality" of the xbox being "superior" to the PS3. It's curious how a xbox "fan"boy ovelooks having a loud "fan" attached to it's console, otherwise it'll MELT, but having a different (not bad, mind you) interface and services (free, mind you) on an fairly new system is the dealbreaker. The PS3 can get a free upgrade to improve the quality; can an xbox get a free upgrade to improve it's loud fan and it's capacity to destroy itself if left on without a fan? Possibly, but it didn't happen that way. $$$

[FeralPhoenix]

WOW....uhm, can you even try to sound un-biased when attempting to make a point?

"I have to buy an attachment to access the best functions, which puts the price of the xbox near the price of the cheaper PS3"
-uhm where have you been?....that's the whole point YOU don't have to buy an attatchment(HD DVD player) if you don't want one -IT'S OPTIONAL. BTW, you are overdoing the whole "sound" bit....that's kind of petty don't you think?

"As a game player, I can't see the the xbox being better, because they already shown that you can only get high-quality games if they're SHORT,"
-your theory doesn't hold water since Oblivion was long as hell, and if they need to then make it on multiple disk's (Blue Dragon ring a bell?)....even the PSM mag admits that the BD storage advantage won't make a difference as far as "quality" of the games goes.

-your links didn't prove anything, you hand picked links that you "believe" confirm your thinking:

"VERY nice looking, but VERY SHORT (ONE OR TWO HOURS OF GAMEPLAY! omg!)",
-yeah I know you were being sarcastic here....but that's not what they said, they said its on the short side...and of course that depends on whether or not you try to find the coins etc. in the game or simply "bypass" alot of stuff to get to the bosses....that classic japanese old school gameplay.

Finally "peski" your logic is correct, -except that this is a "Playstation" magazine(PSM) yeah Sony doesn't own it, but they make revenue(money) off PS3 not the 360, so wheh they say "praise" the 360....OK maybe that's a over-statement, but they did say some surprisingly good things about a "rival" platform and in the end calling it a "draw?" That says alot about what M$ has done, PSM -the same mag DJ has referenced like the Bible so many times...now thats NEWS!

[Edit] -Now for those who talk about M$'s service not being free, well when you actually use and understand Live, then its worth every penny, like someone said before its like the difference between regular TV and cable....maybe if don't have the time or you are just not interested in TV that much then why pay for "cable TV" (online) service....but once you do get interested in "cable" HBO etc.(XBL), then its hard to go back. BTW, if you want to be petty about the sound, I suggest getting some better speakers.....also considering the POWER CONSUMPTION of both consoles, specifically the 360's considerable LESS POWER USAGE actually pays for the price of 360's online service over a year or an avg. of about $40 bucks ADDED to your electric bill per year for the PS3 and that could be considerably more depending on if you play more than 2 hrs. a day and where you live....so either way I guess you could say "your gonna pay" (hmmm, food for thought)-lol.

[ArmrdChaos]

Let me clue you in and anyone else running with that "Free" banner. Nothing is free. Equipment and bandwidth cost money. Even though Sony told their fans that they wouldn't charge for it they NEVER promised that their developers (who they dumped the cost on) would follow that same path. They pass those costs off in the price of the game. So for every multi-play enabled game you buy, you pay for the network a little at a time. When all these MMO games start to hit the consoles who do you think is going to have the better shot at NOT having to pay extra to play?

Sorry...Sony's network will always be behind Xbox Live...it is not their expertise. As far as paying for Live...I will readily pay less than 1 dollar a week to ensure a quality, unified, and FUTUREPROOF (LOL..what a term) network. Most people loose more money than that in their couch. Hey...I guess you're the type that prefers FREE TV over paying for digital cable, so to each their own.

[vettle1]

i dont have a fan hooked up to mine and its a launch console. and have not had any problme with mine. so you think no ps3's are breaking just search for videos youll find em. the 360 may have had some problems, i dont know mine is fine and i know of no one personally who had one "melt" on them. but i know of no one whos ps3 has melted either. wait i dont know anyone who ownes one now that i think about it.
play alon3

[FKN Unbelievable]

What this Zoid Said

"also find it very fanboyish when someone comments on the online "quality" of the xbox being "superior" to the PS3. It's curious how a xbox "fan"boy ovelooks having a loud "fan" attached to it's console, otherwise it'll MELT, but having a different (not bad, mind you) interface and services (free, mind you) on an fairly new system is the dealbreaker. The PS3 can get a free upgrade to improve the quality; can an xbox get a free upgrade to improve it's loud fan and it's capacity to destroy itself if left on without a fan? Possibly, but it didn't happen that way. $$$ "

Since your Worried about Fans and noise So much.
Lets talk at all the Hi Powered things in Life thats not So quiet but Do Justice when it Performs.

Engines in American Musle Cars - Pwned 1
F1 Jets - Pwned 2
Rocket Launchers - Pwned 3
Shotguns - Pwned 4
Atomic Bombs - Pwned 5
The Way your Girl Slurps when she Gives a Wicked one - Pwned 6,7,8
Grenades - Pwned 9
Xbox 360 When playing 1 of the Many AAA titles available - Pwned 10,11,12,13,14

I Guess You get the Message. Don't Open your mouth to say stupid sh1t about Sonee's online Service Compares to Xbox Live When one's been established for 6 years and Gunnin. with over 5 million plus served.
Anyone can bring up article with people opinions and Damge controlled number but the proof is in the games. All those Numbers in the power of the hardware can't save those Lost exclusives.

Church Nucca.
Xbox 360, Get Down or Lay Down!

[pixel_sword]

You talk in tangents, but you can't refute the facts. The xbox is a hair dryer that can't be ignored even if you crank your speakers up to an unecessary level, the PS3 can improve on it's online service, point blank and period. But since you think you have a point loud cheaply made junk,

Lets talk at all the Hi Powered things in Life thats VERY quiet AND does Justice when it Performs:

A Mercedes Benz - Pwned 1
The Joint Strike Fighter - Pwned 2
A stealth bomber - Pwned 3
A Beretta with a silencer - Pwned 4
A biological plague - Pwned 5
The Way your mom lies blissfuly after a donkey punch - Pwned 6,7,8
A Ninja - Pwned 9
The PS3 when playing Resistance: a launch title that can be compared to Gears of War although the system's only been out for about four months- Pwned 10,11,12,13,14

And I guess YOU get the message: Shut your yap if you think you know that the proof is in the games; every high definition game for the Xcox will be SHORT Just like GoW and Lost planet was. Watch when Halo 3 comes out: it'll be SHORT if it's graphically advanced.

[GaMr-]

NO...THEY ARENT EQUAL. ONE SYSTEM HAS A 1 YEAR LEAD.

XBOX360 is built to sell. PS3 is built to last.

END OF STORY !!!

EDIT: Posted this before reading the post above me and wether its a fanboy rant or not its dammn funny.lol

1. I can live without. (TURBO ALL DAY)
2. Doesnt really matter (The sound cant keep up to the jet)
3.Rocket launchers are da Shyt !!!
4.Shotguns ( I would of said 357's)
5. Atomic Bombs (your long dead before you hear it) fact !!!
6.7.8.LMFAO (PWND)
9. Grenades are the shyt too
10.11.12. That shyt is loud end of story but PS3 is loud too. Noise isnt a real complaint though. Its not deafining loud unless your playing in complete silence or you got a bootleg TV with no speakers.

[FKN Unbelievable]

Actual facts baby.I don't care about inevitable noises when my Tv pumps louder. Gears Of war shotgun blast is Loud As Fuk and powereful.

[vettle1]

hahaha, resistance doesnt even come close to comparing to gears. thats funny, and you cant even hear it when your playing a game, which is the only time it gets a little noisy because its the DVD drive not the fan.
http://www.gametrailers.com...

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Live's good, but XFire's WAY better!

oh...and whoever said the first game came from America is wrong. Pong originated in Germany...

Resistance has a better storyline, more enemies, non-linear gameplay, a HUGE draw distance, amazing physics, and fantastic lighting...how can you not compare that to gears? The only thing next-gen about Gears is the graphics. Don't get me wrong...it's one of the BEST games in years, but it could be done on any other system...even a freakin' DS...the 360's engine hasn't proven that it can OUT PERFORM the PS3 yet... As far as graphics go...have you seen LAIR??? Epic KNOWS how to take a game and make it more fun than ANYTHING in the genre. Unreal is STILL the best shooter on any platform. When Unreal III comes out...Halo 3 doesn't stand a chance. It will lose to another game on the same console...and i hope for my sake that it does, because Halo's too freaking slow for me. It's not strategic or fast...and it pisses me off...

Epic adds a fun-factor to EVERYTHING! It's just their trademark. I think we're gonna see an Epic vs. Id vs. Valve vs. Crytek MASSIVE BATTLE here pretty soon. These are the PC junkies delving into the console world...and they're blowing everything else out of the water. I'm just worried about the future of PC gaming.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

By AAA titles you mean...Gears...right?

Dude...that "your girl" comment was the most unnecessary thing i've ever heard on this site. Dissing people's girls is uncalled for...even Live Trash-talkers don't sink that low. BTW...I'd like to thank Microsoft for introducing the deuschebags of the world to gaming. Oh thank you...my life is now complete!

I'm gonna go play the demo that's better than the entire game of PGR3...Motorstorm.

The gaming masses demanded innovation...they demanded MORE content...the demanded IMPROVEMENT!

Now that Sony's given us these gifts...you turn your back on it. You people aren't gamers. You're traditionalists...

In the words of Donnie Darko, "Suck a F#@K!"

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Same dev time? I don't think 5 months is the same thing as three years! Gears was being developed WAY better RFOM. I'm not gonna even go into the blu-ray vs. hd-dvd thing. If you think hd-dvd looks better, then may God have mercy on your poor eyesight! Don't make ME look like a deuschebag because YOU are a biased PRICK!

No one at Sony said that was in-game. What would possess you to contradict EVERY other gamer in the world...because you want to "PWN" me?

You're right, the PS3 doesn't have any $600 dollar games...but it will. The 360 will NEVER be worth $400 dollars to me. The only game I want on that freakin' thing is Alan Wake...but i have a computer...so there goes THAT theory! I have a feeling Killzone WILL destroy Halo...and it's not just a feeling.

Fanboyism means staying true to one company. I go where the games are...and the games are still with Sony...because multiplatform games will start looking better on PS3 because of switch-porting...and Sony's got over 100 1st party titles in development. Where's Microsoft's 1st party titles?

Once again...go compare the PS3's blu-ray capabilities to ANY HD-DVD player...

There's no comparison. You're one of those people that thinks FNR3 looks better on 360 too, i bet. EVERY review and EVERY person and I KNOW it looks better on the PS3... Yes, I (unlike yourself) ACTUALLY compare things...and I KNOW when a game is fun. Halo...not fun. PGR3...not fun. Lost Planet...semi-fun. Gears...there ya go...you have one killer app. It'll be a lost game once Unreal III comes out...(yes, i know...it's on all three systems)

Resistance is innovative. Those weapons have NEVER been seen in any FPS! GOW is NOT innovative...unless camera angles are innovative these days. Duck 'n cover is NOT a new process. Graphics have become innovation to you i guess.

[vettle1]

"The gaming masses demanded innovation...they demanded MORE content...the demanded IMPROVEMENT!

Now that Sony's given us these gifts...you turn your back on it. You people aren't gamers. You're traditionalists...

In the words of Donnie Darko, "Suck a F#@K!"

innovation-xbox live was here way before PSN
content-there are thousands of pieces of content on live,movies, games, tv shows, music videos, etc. how is PSN doing for you?
improvement-360 games look better and play smoother and the 360 cost 200 dollars less, how much more improvement would you want? what a blue ray player ahahahahah.
HDDVD looks better get over it your blatant ignorance of the subject is obvious, read the reviews that compare both by independent journalists, HDDVD wins. ur a moreon. and a severe fanboy. you go where the games ARE, thats what u said. so your going with sony. where are these games at? in development thats where. they are not here and as your precious games that MAY make the ps3 worth maybe 400 dollars are coming out even more games that easily make the 360 worth 400 are going to be coming out too. sorry your just a litle fanboy who didnt think his post thru too good, oh and you said 360 owners were traditionalists, if that were true wouldnt we stick to the sony brand since 99% of us owned a ps1 and/or a ps2 but then realized they sucked.
oh and the joint strike fighter is loud and so is a stealth bomber and the stealth fighter. ive heard both stealths take off and you dont want to be standing there without hearing protection, what you think they whisper along the runway and magically lift off with magical fairy dust, the same magical dust that will be released into the ps3 someday and magically make it a great machine? sure, ok what ever you think since you think a jet engine is quiet. hahahahahahahha

[vettle1]

oh and gears blows resistance out of the water. you bash gears cause you say the weapons have been seen before, you do know the subject of aliens isnt new to games right, you do know slowing down time isnt new either, you do know WW1 and WW2 games arent new to gaming either, how about bosses and throwing bullets at them to kill them, yep thats a rip off too? tard. did you click on the link and watch? claiming resistance is better than gears is like denying area 51 exists. everyone knows it does but you say it cause you have to to make yourself feel better about wasting 600 dollars, and cause your a sony fanboy.

[f41c0n]

Even if they were a tie, it would still show how the PS3 fails. The PS3 had a year to be better than the 360, and it's the same, if not worse than the 360.