Phil Spencer’s Recent Comments Indicate That Xbox Has Learned From Its Past Mistakes

Xbox has shown a willingness to learn from its mistakes and grow.

[Obscure_Observer]

Of course!

It took 3 years to Spencer got his promotion and finally with more power, importance and influence, steer the ship on the right direction. Since 2017 all we got from Xbox are exciting news. From new services like Gamepass to new studios acquisitions, innovations like adaptive controls and K&M support making Xbox more inclusive, more and better japanese dev support, new IP´s and new AAA games in development and a renewed focus in single player games (which Spencer learned from Sony it´s importance to gamers)

In a few months we´ll know more about those games and Series X´s features in detail.

I can´t wait! :)

[dekke]

@Obscure_Observer

u prolly mean A+ games ?

[Kingthrash360]

This is the actual statement

"Reviewed plans yesterday for continued sharing through launch. Team is doing great work and adapting. I've never been more excited about Xbox plans. We've heard you, you want transparency/authenticity. We plan to keep showing that way, next step is not too much of a wait (games)"

Knowing xbox flaws are lack of killer app level games i see nothing in the comment that he hasn't said before....its crazy because the comment lacks transparency/authenticity about those games...i can see why people arnt tired of his bull by now tbh. Its clear his direction is service based.

[Knushwood Butt]

We heard you, we know you want player accolades for Bleeding Edge.

[indysurfn]

He didnt learn anyging, let me quote the article:
Spencer recently made an interesting declaration: "that Microsoft is going to be more clear and transparent this console cycle, and that the reveal of the games people can expect to play on the Series X is “soon”."

No phill, being CLEAR was not the problem. Denying the DRM, sharing disc, selling used games, forching Kinect, 24 hour check in, Those where the problems. Instead of learning your using the exact same phrase/ excuse you used back then. You was not clear? How about you was not honest and admitting to your greedy control freak of, ownership stealing, drm locking to a console, selling your own used game rights. Ic you! Dont try it again!

[Sitdown]

@indysurfn

What are you talking about, Phil was not leading the charge when all of that went down. As a matter of fact in his interview he talked about the initial approach being bad.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Of course. Yeah. BS!

It's something the article skips right over. It wasn't just the lack of quality, first party games at the level of Nintendo and Sony. Or the fact that they have plenty of money compared to the other two but did less work. Or trying to shove a camera down gamer's throats that was going to be used for their advertising partners.

It was their shady, arrogant attitude. Their lying, misleading and deflecting statements this whole gen. All made by Phil himself. There was no Matrick present when Phil said these things. Don's ghost wasn't inhabiting Phil. Phil was being **PHIL**

Not telling gamers Scalebound was canceled until after Christmas sales. Lying about the cloud or crackdown 3, lying about high fidelity VR just to help sell Xbox One X. Trying to downplay single player games because they live off of XBL and multiplayer services. Lying about best ever in history or what the definition of "EXCLUSIVE" is. Or downplaying the importance of exclusives for buying a console. Or misleading engagement numbers trying to make it look like sales numbers.

Sure. They bought some near bankrupt developers. Or siphoned off developers from Sony with checks.( they aren't going after Nintendo developers. Only Sony's)

Their only recourse was to try and be like Sony. Try and be humble. Try and create a group of in-house studios that share ideas. Try and be transparent. Like they tried and did the "all in one" after Sony did "it only does everything" with PS3. Or adding a share button. All the shady stuff didn't work. So they are now putting a smiley face on it.

They learned? Are F2P games free to play without XBL yet? Has the quality and amount of games increased for THIS GEN? Or, are we waiting on their promises and future potential again? As we see their arrogance slowly peering its ugly head about power.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Apocalypse Shadow

You can try all you want with your usual doom and gloom hate-filled comments, dude.

Fact of the matter is, Xbox Series X is way more appealing to gamers than Xbox One ever was. I been all over the internet and alll I read and hear is how gamers will be getting an SX. Xbox gamers, Playstation gamers and even some PC gamers since scrap for parts to try and match SX´s power and performance might just not be worth it (at least you´re a rich guy, of course)

Come next gen nobody will remember Mattrick, the same way people like you forgot all about Iwata (R.I.P) and the WiiU.

Save your energy for damage control later when SX´s games will be finally revealed. You gonna need it. ;)

[GamerRN]

So basically what Sony is doing right now? Being shady and lying about whats important

[alb1899]

So much cry. It is just a product, if you feel that way don't buy it and go on with your life. Let us believe in what we are witnessing .....the bright future of XBOX.

[Spurg]

"It wasn't just the lack of quality, first party games at the level of Nintendo and Sony."

We haven't seen the new studio's best games yet so it is hard to put judgement on that. But their 5 first-party studios delivered great games. Say what you will about the MS using their best franchises but Halo 5, Gear 4 and 5, Forza Motorsport and Horizon series were great games and released at a high quality. Even Sea of thieves now a great game with support from Rare not even Destiny and the Division got continued got post content support.
MS capitalizes on their best franchises like similar to how Nintendo does with Mario and Zelda.
MS doesn't have a game like Last of us but does Sony have a game like Halo.

"Or trying to shove a camera down gamer's throats that was going to be used for their advertising partners."
It was discontinued later on and the X1X didn't have it...does that excuse still apply. If you're gonna use that excuse then be wary of the PS4 controller that has a mic that can record what you say.

"It was their shady, arrogant attitude. Their lying, misleading and deflecting statements this whole gen.All made by Phil himself. There was no Matrick present when Phil said these things. Don's ghost wasn't inhabiting Phil. Phil was being **PHIL**"

Trying too hard...Sony and Nintendo do the same thing. People just ignore it them. Jim Ryan's statements are equally outrageous.

"Not telling gamers Scalebound was canceled until after Christmas sales."
???
"Lying about the cloud or crackdown 3, lying about high fidelity VR just to help sell Xbox One X."
MS flight simulator, Forza motorsport, and Horizon 4 uses the cloud. Crackdown 3 did use the cloud.
"Trying to downplay single player games because they live off of XBL and multiplayer services."
Phil Spencer didn't downplay single player he mentioned the fact that single-player games don't have the same weight they used to do. He didn't say he will stop making single player. Again a hugely over-exaggerated statement taken out of context.
Their franchises have successful multiplayer modes and are the industries best. Their games have single player in them and come in a big package and value. Give me an exclusive game from Sony that has the same amount of content as Gears 5.

[Spurg]

"Lying about best ever in history"
Marketing words which p
"or what the definition of "EXCLUSIVE" is."
Sony has a ton a timed exclusive games, which will eventually come on Xbox down the line. "only on PlayStation" doesn't apply to all their games so its Sony that need to search the definition of exclusive.

"Or downplaying the importance of exclusives for buying a console."
The 9 new studios are an answer to that criticism.

"Or misleading engagement numbers trying to make it look like sales numbers."
Engagement numbers mean more than sales numbers nowadays especially with gamepass.

"Sure. They bought some near bankrupt developers. Or siphoned off developers from Sony with checks.( they aren't going after Nintendo developers. Only Sony's)"

This is the type of excuse you use if you feel like there is no coherent argument to be had. Near bankrupt...how pathetic. Obsidian and Ninja theory being described as near-bankrupt companies is an insult to their legacy of making games.

"Their only recourse was to try and be like Sony. Try and be humble."
Sony is the opposite of being humble. They are never humble they are known for their arrogance. Phil spencer is a genuinely humble person and if you follow him you'll know.

"Try and create a group of in-house studios that share ideas. Try and be transparent. Like they tried and did the "all in one" after Sony did "it only does everything" with PS3.

"Or adding a share button. "
I guess you missed the part where they hijacked the ergonomics of the Xbox controller.

"All the shady stuff didn't work. So they are now putting a smiley face on it."
???

[Kiwi66]

So it never occurred to you that the people who left Sony and joined MS did so because they wanted to, which btw happens all the time like when people leave MS to go work for Sony

[ZwVw]

Exactly. Phil's flip-flopping is astounding. First (at the beginning of 8th Gen) he says that single player games are pretty much dead and aren't Xbox's main priority. Yet, when he sees how much success Sony has had with single player driven games this gen, he now states that they are very crucial to Xbox's future.

If Series X flops at launch, expect people to try to spin at as somehow being Don Mattrick's fault.

[CaptainObvious878]

You speak a lot of truth, Shadow, but xbox fans are too busy being manipulated by flashy trailers, on paper tflops and hollow promises to remember ms atrocious past history.

How many times has Phil, not Don, lied? How many times has he simply said what he had to in an attempt to placate their customers?

Ms has had the worst, most abysmal support this entire generation, but they bought a few AA dev teams, so everything is immediately forgotten?

Do you know why MS bought devs at the end of this generation instead of the start? Because their support was so bad that even the ms shill gaming media was holding their feet to the fire.

MS was only doing the bare minimum they thought they could get away with, so when they think they can get away with it again what do you think they are going to do ms fans? Continue giving you games? Or reduce support like they have done every single other time in their history of the industry?

Only a fool would support ms at this point.

[Kiwi66]

Damn looks like I've found the people who can't grasp the concept that in the real world people leave their job and go work for someone else

[zackeroniii]

you single handedly summed up everything so perfectly it is actually really beautiful to see. i see you handled business here which makes my job easier. said it better than i could've.

you literally just dismantled microsoft, xbox, and their whole fanbase.

i'm actually excited to see what new lame excuse someone is going to use to defend this company and their weak excuse for a home game console...

[GreenDragonCVR]

Lowest common denominator-box one X, featuring halo #25, forza horizon 8 and gears 12

[rainslacker]

Obsure taking the anecdotal and completely made approach to reporting that Fox news has popularized over the last 20 years I see.

I guess N4G is really just a bubble of the entire market, and absolutely not reflective of the real world. That's why Xbox is so strong....and stuff.

I mean, N4G is predominately a US site. Must mean that we aren't real Americans because our community is more PS based.

[1Victor]

@obscure said “
Save your energy for damage control later when SX´s games will be finally revealed. You gonna need it. ;) “

You should heed your advice or do you actually think Sony got no games to show. Personally I agree with apocalypse his statement is valid sound and because you and the hardcore Xbox fans don’t want to hear it or downplay it it’s true.
I will wait and see what Microsoft does and how they’ll behave next gen as power doesn’t automatically win a video game fight in boxing yes on video game not so often. Just look at the latest info a heat sink a controller a hard drive even a stupid logo and name we all see coming 2 generations ago set the internet ablaze.
Get ready start hoarding coffee because once Sony show the console and GAMES you and your hardcore Xbox fan club will be 24/7 downplaying Sony

[crazyCoconuts]

What's your guess on how many exclusives Xbox will have at launch?
Halo, Forza, + 1 more? Wondering if those new studios had enough time to crank games out yet...

[rainslacker]

Doesn't matter, because all of them will be cross gen games, because MS doesn't believe that a new console should really have software that shows off what it can do. They've also learned, and probably rightfully so, that better graphics is all people care about, which allows them to do cross gen, and they can tout the power of next gen not with all the new tech inside the system, but with a better GPU. In the first two years, if someone is fine with this gen graphics, they can hold off buying a next gen Xbox.

[Godmars290]

Again - for the nth TIME - the only way MS shows that they've learned from their mistakes at this point are results, actions, not words. Since OG Xbox they've used words while repeatedly falling short on results.

[RosweeSon]

Here let’s actually see something in action or be able to purchase something had this all last gem with crackdown 3 is coming it’s pretty good the clouds are epic. All turned out to be a load of 💩 and crackdown3 was swiftly forgotten about

[XBManiac]

Offering a price for crisis times, in the 299$ for Xbox Series X maybe can be the best way of MS showing they listen to users, players, community and society.

[The Wood]

I have nothing negative to say about your optimism for the potential future but it's weird and amusing seeing the same people who damaged controlled for Microsoft for a whole generation use so much energy bemoaning Sony's frailties when it was clear to the world what brand was achieving. Maybe the penny has indeed finally dropped for xbox. Its definitely a wait and see scenario for many outside the loyal fans but it'll be dumb to question people's scepticism especially after this gen and all the 'up speak' and deflection we've heard. Good luck regardless. Next gen should be interesting but Microsoft are playing catchup.

[UltraNova]

Well said.

[alb1899]

True, MS must show the games but they already showed the gamepass, the acquisition of Studios and the SX plus the Xcloud. So you can see the progress if you want to see.

[russo121]

Can only agree what was said, but unfortunately, by MS history and support we all know how it will end. I don't understand xbox fans, I really don't, they're illogical and live in a special bubble, very strange.

[rainslacker]

They spent most of the generation denying there was an actual problem. Now that the problem has supposedly been fixed, or will be soon(always waiting), they say there was a problem, don't once take accountability for spending years not holding Spencer accountable and taking those criticizing to task as if those criticisms weren't valid, and praise Xbox and Spencer for being so awesome.

It astounds me that some people are willing to support a company that spent almost the entire generation hardly doing anything but make promises. While I'm willing enough to give MS the benefit of the doubt going forward, I'm not going to ignore what they failed to do this gen. This one gen wouldn't have been all that much to just write up as a failure and say, "OK, sh*t happens, lets try again", but MS has a history of these kinds of lackluster delivery or premature discontinuation of support every generation. At some point, you have to see that it's probably more likely they'll continue that, instead of assuming that they've changed, or learned something from their past mistakes, because the "mistakes" being cited seem to be all too frequent, and every time for them.

[Sharky231]

Honestly.... Microsoft and Sony both makes these kind of comments every generation. We won’t know if they learned any lessons until the consoles release. Hopefully we get great competition from both sides! That’s always better for gamers!!

[Z501]

You think Phil is going to be "transparent" about free to play games behind a paywall?

[--bienio--]

And still PlayStation players disagreed with your comments because they can’t accept facts. Situation is different then 2013 when Xbox one and PS4 was released. This time we going to see how Microsoft will grow.

[Aquanox]

Lol... why is there so much hatred against Series X from Sony fans?

Isn't it better that now Playstation has proper competition instead of a consola that nobody knew where it was aiming at. Microsoft is getting everything right, or at least they're doing their best. In the hardware side, the job is done. Games will come starting this holidays. This is exciting news guys, stop hating, start enjoying (and saving, you might want to buy both consoles)

[MADGameR]

How many times do we have to go through this BS? MS has NO AAA EXCLUSIVES. None of the studios they acquired are on Naughty Dog's level, NONE of them! They are going to pump out B level mediocre western games which is what they are known for. And power is not going to win them the generation. And since when did single player games mattered to X Box fans? They sure were dissing single player games when SONY were pumping them out. Love the hypocrisy. SONY will win this generation again and there's nothing MS can do about it. This ''MS is making the changes needed to win this generation with POWER'' BS has been chin-checked many times. Power can't win the generation. It's AMAZING EXCLUSIVES.

[3-4-5]

We need some new IP's for XSX......no more of this fake harcore wannabe gory trash like gears of war....it's such a B- level series that they try to make bigger than it is.

I'll be getting an XSX day one, but I expect much better in terms of games than last gen.......all around I thought last gen was a let down...more so for XB1, but even with PS4....a lot of the games people over hyped weren't nearly as good and are kind of niche....

I expect better this gen and with the tech jump I think this could be the best gen for games ever....for everyone.

[DeadManMMX]

It's the series that started the 360 off and put it in a solid lead throughout the generation. It's lost a lot of it's luster but lets be honest that has a lot to do with how this gen went down with the One. Good games never really got given a chance. Gears 4-5, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Halo Wars 2, Quantum Break, Titanfall and State of Decay . Just being console exclusive for Xbox One put a hurting on Rise of The Tomb Raider which was an excellent game based entirely off of negative sentiment. It even struggled after it went to PS4. Then you had games that were 7's and 8's that got treated like garbage. Recore, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Sea of Thieves and now Bleeding Edge. There has been a stigma surrounding the Xbox One since launch and it has mattered. Just like the positive buzz for PS4 was enough to cover for games like The Order: 1886, Knack 1-2, The Last Guardian, Driveclub and Days Gone. There have been games. Xbox just never got over that bad start. That's why having a good start this time means a lot.

[Fellviper]

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome! I can't wait either. And the icing on the cake is that every peripheral from Xbox One will be completely compatible with the Series X. So, that expensive arcade stick I bought will be usable on the new console without any need for buying an adapter. How awesome is that?!

On a side note, it seems like there are way too many petty Sony fanboys on this site. You can tell by how many downvotes any comment that says anything slightly positive about Microsoft and Xbox. And if you say anything negative about Sony, you risk gettimg completely banned.

Most Sony fanboys must live really pathetic lives. I hope I don't get banned for sayimg that, as it would be the third time. I'm just stating what I've observed from.my time in this site. :(

[waverider]

«best lineup in history». He really learned.

[RpgSama]

As always, the double standards are amazing, for Sony the media wants them to show, not tell, for MS it's the opposite, they don't need to show, only to tell, it seems only comments are necessary as proof of change fron them, I mean, it's not like they've been bending the truth (and the lies) for years.

Now they showed a "fan accolades trailer" to promote their game (bleeding edge), you can find any number of hardcore gamers for any console that will praise any game to the heavens, I mean I'm pretty sure you can build one for crackdown 3 or Fallout 76 with only perfect 10s out of hardcore fan reviews

[UltraNova]

I laughed so hard when I saw that trailer... shameless.

[Z501]

This.
I said the same. Even the crappiest of games have 20 fans that could say positive things.

[waverider]

You didnt understand, those on the trailer are the only ones that got the service game....

[TheKingKratos]

I didn't the BS in the article... he said that sh1t again 😮😂😂

Yeah he learned alright ... but hey, atleast he have his fans who cheer any BS he say

[Nyxus]

I'm still not convinced. I need to see more first. I mean, I still barely use my Xbox One (last time I switched it on was about 8 months ago). For the Series X I'll wait and see. For now I have no plans to get it at launch, as I did with Xbox 360 and One.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Nyxus

Fair enough. Maybe Xbox is not for you and that´s ok.

[Godmars290]

The issue is, that a platform, Xbox should offer a number of gaming genres. instead it never got over being a "FPS" console. More accurate to call it out for online multi though.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Godmars290

"instead it never got over being a "FPS" console. More accurate to call it out for online multi though."

Based on what, exactly? Talk is cheap. Let´s us see your list of future Xbox games.

Last time I checked MS there´s lots of RPG, RTS, action-adventue, racing, simulator, survival horror, platformers, and RTS games coming to SX.

[Godmars290]

The Xbox came into predominance, found an audience with Halo, COD and Gears.The 360 was openly referred to as "The FPS" console. Got so "bad" MS tried to loose the name but nothing ever came of it because it was connected to their success.

"Last time I checked MS there´s lots of RPG, RTS, action-adventue, racing, simulator, survival horror, platformers, and RTS games coming to SX."

All I can say is right back at you. Given that they have yet to announce 1st party aside from Halo - which is a guess what - put out Gears and picked up RPGs by default of buying RPG studios, they've yet to show anything. Have yet to reverse decades of habit of relying on 3rd party while canceling or under delivering on anything directly in-house. Getting lucky by buying studios that were already working on a title.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Godmars290

Context, dude. The past will be past. Xbox One is far from a "FPS" console and just to keep things in perspective, we´re talking about next gen here.

"Getting lucky by buying studios that were already working on a title."

You don´t even know what you´re talking about. Who said anything about Wastlands 3 or The Outer Words?

Confirmed by Brian Fargo himself:

https://twitter.com/BrianFa...

Take a look at that list and tell me again (honestly) that Xbox Series X will be a "FPS" console?

Oh yeah, Flight Simulator and Project Mara is not on that list.

[Godmars290]

@Obscure_Observer:
In "context" MS is online multiplayer concentric. Which is a further development of the FPS mindset.

Also within "context" I'm asking for results, not announcements. You can list, make links to list that have "ambitious AAA RPG" but until said "ambitious AAA RPG" is actually out, has proven itself, its nothing that MS hasn't done before. Under delivered if delivered at all.

FFS: Milo was something announced, shown off for the longest, that never actually existed. What Crackdown 3 was announced as versus what it came out as. Those are the kind of things, announcements, that MS have to prove and make up for. The hole they have to dig themselves out of.

[rainslacker]

"Based on what, exactly? Talk is cheap. Let´s us see your list of future Xbox games."

I just had to laugh at this.

I mean, that's exactly what a lot of people have been saying about MS and Spencer and their games for almost the entire generation.

You're positing that question to Godmars, but have you ever actually asked it of Spencer....because everyone else has.

Wouldn't a more accurate statement from you be, "Talk is cheap, unless it's from Spencer's mouth, then it's GOLD! XBL Gold....which is a great way to play those F2P games online. Now you can bundle it with Game Pass, the best value in gaming where I don't have to spend money on any games anymore....because Spencer is awesome and I wish he was my daddy!!!!"

Or....something along those lines.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Godmars290

I can understand skepticism towards MS regarding delivery. But to be negative?

To call the SX which have 3 new AAA first party RPGs in development among, RTS, racing, simulators, hack n slash, adventure, action-stealth, survival, survival-horror and more, a multiplayer-centric "FPS" console, is just untrue to say at least.
Imo, if you don´t have proof to back your claims other than resort to the past, I failed to see the point in discuss the future.

[Godmars290]

@Obscure:
How do you not understands that there is nothing that backs up your claims. List all of the types of games you want, but it means nothing until they come out. Defend MS all you want, but its up to MS to prove that defense.

As you fro not registering MS online multiplayer issue let me use your tactic: multiplayer-FPS, multiplayer-RPG, multiplayer-platformer. When I say MS has an issue with online multiplayer, I'm not just talking about FPS. Any game they make, any title they have influence over tends to be multiplayer if only justify/force paying for online access. Its a subject I've brought up well before this article, yet you and others are willfully oblivious to it.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Godmars290

"Its a subject I've brought up well before this article, yet you and others are willfully oblivious to it."

Ori is out, SP-Only. Gears Tactics is out, SP-Only. Did you played those games? Did you gave MS any credit for those games or it just fled under your radar?

Nevermind. I see now you have issues with multiplayer. Even if just modes of single player games. In that case, man... no one can help you.

Xbox is definelly not for you. You´ll be better off with Nintendo and some games from Sony. I say "some" because games from, ND, Polyphony and Guerrilla aren´t different from Xbox games regarding multiplayer.

Happy gaming on whatever platform you like. :)

[Godmars290]

"Ori is out, SP-Only. Gears Tactics is out, SP-Only. Did you played those games? Did you gave MS any credit for those games"

Ori was originally an indie title they bought. If anything, as a sequel, the new game only supports the stance of in house non-creativity. Similar for the Gears STG given its side-game status. May as well be called Halo Wars 3.

"Xbox is definelly not for you."

No, it s not. Thing is, I don't need an Xbox to play either game. So not even seeing why you brought them up while defending Xbox as a "platform". Your attempt at a defense only worsens it. As I said before only MS can honestly do that.

[alb1899]

I won't get the ps5 the first year for all the rumors about it getting hot. I will stay with my X and my PS4 for a while just washing who was saying the truth and then I will know wish console I'll buy first but I will have bother eventually like always.

[UltraNova]

What rumors?

[Godmars290]

I likely wont be getting a PS5 within its launch year because of expected manufacturing shortages due to the pandemic.

[oasdada]

What are you talking about? Grasping staws again are we? Honestly you guys scrape the bottom of the barrel just to defame sony its not even funny.. tou should stop acting like a normal gamer and change your name to an xbot just about now

[zackeroniii]

who do you think you're fooling here buddy?

because it's not us.

xbox is a dead brand and will always come third to sony and nintendo

[rainslacker]

That's fine. Most new consoles usually have supply issues the first 6 months anyways...and this time around it may actually be worse. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will take your place.

Realistically, the console maker who can manage to not have a major supply shortage may actually get a nice boost in 1st years sales.

[Elda]

Smart.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

MS definitely came along with the Adam Orth Stuff 7 years ago. Not running away and staying quiet during a controversial time. The last management never liked doing interviews, being open or anything. That dictatorship fall in line attitude is what started to sour the Xbox brand before it's reveal. If you want to do better everything needs to be changed. The philosophy of the platform or selling point. Logos, branding, catch phrase messaging or PR everything.

Policies and things that got mandated was made by the old team the old bosses. Phil was more of a place holder GM who's hands were tied (just like a new president in office). He had control over the hardware it's pricing. TV, TV, the weird NFL deal Kinect software was all done prior. When you're in charge you have to have a plan. You start making new policies and mandating new philosophy around your brand. Some of it shows in the current gen but it's full force in the new gen.

Anyway Phil has worked this hard for years now but I agree we have to see the fruits of his labor. Sony and Nintendo learned from their past mistakes, Why can't MS improve?

[ShadowWolf712]

Because Phil and most of the people around him were part of that same status quo and even continued it while talking out both sides of their mouth for years.

Same management, just a new coat of paint.

[Spurg]

It's not a new coat of paint because he mentions that they were given the wrong direction when making the Xbox one. The team now has a clear direction and the series X's power is proof of that.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Definitely not a new coat of paint. Steve Ballmer and Mattrick were the brain child's of X1. In fact Ballmer were putting things in place in 2011 he wanted entertainment services more apps TV, etc Phil was in charge of 1st and 3rd party relations. Phil's boss which is Mattrick had Phil make casual Kinect games. Don also allocated memory to Kinect and the OS and not enough for games. Which is part of the reason why games didn't run at 1080p for a little while. Fast forward now Phil is the boss Matt Booty is in charge of 1st and 3rd party relations. He was also responsible for buying up studios like Double Fine.

Old administration built X1 and mandated everything the X1 was about. Phil could of disobeyed his bosses and get fired for it, I'm no mind reader but I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that for him or his family. I shouldn't have to explain this it's common knowledge, but here we are I guess.

[SpaceRanger]

Most of the people who were there last gen and closed off the Xbox gen poorly are doing the same and are still there.

Like all companies, the suits are still calling the shots. Their half-baked PR with “the greatest lineup in history” several years in a row, and their fake “exclusives” E3 event shows it’s still more of the same. They’ll keep doing it even with this next gen.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"the greatest lineup in history”

Y'all still losing sleep over that? For starters he was talking about Xbox having the greatest line up for there console. They were comparing it to nobody else. Second well shit let's just stop all PR slogans "Greatness Awaits" or "Its Time To Play" or MS "Power Your Dreams. Nobody cares about PR at E3. Considering that's the whole point of Places like E3 it's PR. How bout when Devs say "Immersive" this and immersive that. Buzzwords and PR is part of ANY buissness. You're gonna take that little piece if PR to your grave aren't you?

"Fake Exclusives" don't mention anything being faked. Remember Sony's 06 conference? Uuh don't even start.

MS say whatever they want along as they announce the big games in which we know they will.

[Spurg]

"Like all companies, the suits are still calling the shots."
Just like Sony....Worry about them and Jim Ryan's new mandate on the company. you don't see it yet but they are making more multiplayer games and shifting their games onto PC because they want a piece the market share on PC.

"They’ll keep doing it even with this next gen."
So out of the 9 studios they have added...you're saying that none of them will deliver a new IP.

"Most of the people who were there last gen and closed off the Xbox gen poorly are doing the same and are still there."
Who exactly? Because I know who stayed and who left. I know very well how the management was before and how it managed now. Phil Spencer was made part of the senior leadership team at Microsoft in 2017, no one has ever had that job before. It happened in 2017 and after that is where Xbox started showing their cards with Gamepass, 9 Studios, Xcloud and reveal of a powerful console. The same team that made the console is there but under a new leadership(Phil spencer) and the direction is clear as day. What do you think Phil will do with the 3 RPG studios they have...make them do multiplayer games?

Ninja theory: Hellblade 2, Project Mara(horror game)
Rare: Everwilds
343i: Halo infinite
Playground games: Fable reboot

[SpaceRanger]

Why all this talk about Sony? Isn’t this a conversation about MS?? And to top it off bringing up a conference from 14 years ago!

Lmao the insecurity is showing hard with some of you today. Clearly there’s no room to reason. Have a nice night guys.

[Spurg]

"Why all this talk about Sony? Isn’t this a conversation about MS?? "
It's easy to grasp that I was showing you that Sony does the same thing but gets ignored and push under the rug.

"And to top it off bringing up a conference from 14 years ago!"
So it's there a limit to how far we can go? If you are talking about Ms's past then don't ignore Sony's past too. Or you can talk about how they are doing now under new leadership and with them ticking all yhe right boxes.

"Lmao the insecurity is showing hard with some of you today. Clearly there’s no room to reason."
Nothing insecure here just putting everything in perspective and making sure people do y put half ass lies and past their opinions as facts.

"Clearly there’s no room to reason. Have a nice night guys."

No room to reason?
You gave an over generalsatiin of Don Mattticks Xbox and said it was still the same and you're talking about no way to reason...get your facts straight and seperate it from your opinion.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Because you think MS is the only one with PR and slogans. When every song company does it.

[rainslacker]

I have to disagree with you. At least somewhat.

Matttrick, for all his faults, at least pretty much did what he said he'd do. Even if people didn't like it, you pretty much knew where MS and he stood in terms of what their product was, and where they were taking it. There wasn't a lot of this obfuscation about maybe doing something. They didn't jump the gun to kill rumors or anything, but officially, they were mostly transparent....the typical overzealous marketing hype notwithstanding.

I don't think that Xbox under Spencer has really been that clear. There doesn't really appear to be that firm of a message about the brand. One has to really pay attenion, and look at MS on a much larger scale to really see what they are attempting to do....which is expand the brand to be more about Xbox as a service, instead of Xbox as a console which has services. The console is just another avenue to the services, and one that MS needs for the foreseeable future if they want to not just be another publisher since console gaming is where they get the most attention from the consumer base.

Phil has done some good things, and credit where its due. But to me, it still looks like MS always has, just with more positive messaging, and are hoping that the consumer will buy into their new idea.

In any case, to say that MS is going to do better, one has to admit that they did horribly this gen. If they did gangbusters, and only had to fix the "Adam orth" stuff, which in reality was much worse, then this conversation would be moot. The fact that people said for years that they have sucked, while some defended them, for those defenders to now say, "Hey look at all this stuff they have coming after all these years", while implying that those that criticized for all those years were just wrong, really doesn't help to make your case that the defenders, or MS, are now worth taking seriously.

[BlackIceJoe]

As much as I've seen an improvement, until Microsoft gets Japanese companies to make Xbox games, they haven't.

When the same games are coming out for Nintendo's and Sony's systems, but not Microsoft's that leaves Microsoft at a disadvantage.

So that is the one thing the Xbox brand needs, Asian games and better still a first party studio, that makes those kinds of games.

As for who I think they should get, I personally would prefer to see Microsoft make their own new company, then buy a studio. That being said if Microsoft could help Vanillaware, Cave or Treasure grow to become more well known I'd be alright with that.

[caddytrek]

Ya know that starts with xbox fans in the west actually buying the games, which still hasn't happened. This entire generation Japanese games on xbox have sold around 15% of PlayStation.

And ya know it might help if Microsoft could sell more than 125,000 consoles in 7 years in Japan.

[iNcRiMiNaTi]

Yeah I agree with the buying. When 360 came out, there was a bunch of Japanese support with games like blue dragon, star ocean, tales of vesperia, eternal sonata etc. The sales weren't too hot and some of them eventually went to ps3 where it sold alot more and some sequels became ps3 exclusive

[caddytrek]

iNcRiMiNaTi, it's the same old story xbox folks just want Japanese games so they can use it for fuel in their console war.

They don't like that Nintendo and Sony can say they have better Japanese support so they just want those games on xbox so they can say "that game isn't exclusive" but when it comes to actually putting their money where their mouth is and supporting those game they don't. Why, because they never really cared about playing the games in the first place.

[Z501]

And with gamepass being a thing. Xbox fans are definitely NOT buying more games than before.

[Fellviper]

The Japanese need to first start making games that appeal to Western audiences.

A vast majority of the games that come out of Japan just don't get me as well as a large number of Americans or even Europeans very excited.

I mean, come on! I'm nearing 50, not a teenager with raging hormones, and I'm not going to buy a game with chibi characters or little lollies with huge mallets and swords as big as Guts from Berserk, as those just aren't the type of games I like playing. Games like Dark souls/Bloodborne, Devil May Cry, Dragon's Dogma, Yakuza, and fighting games from SNK, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Sega are the types of games that I look for when buying Japanes games.

That being said, I do still enjoy certain anime based games like: Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, Attack on Titans, and certain jrpgs. Just just spare me the lollies and little girls in party dresses with dragon slayers - I just don't roll like like. Not judging those that do, though, lol.

[chiefJohn117]

Major of Xbox gamer don't GAF about Japanese titles. MS making an effort but the fansbase don't really care. If the majority was more adamant about it MS would probably make a bigger effort into getting some. Like BC, Power, Crossplay.

[Donnie81]

The best thing Xbox has been doing is finally being the monster they always should have been. They are investing in gaming at a record level. Nobody has ever put the capital ms has in gaming over the past few years. 15 studios most of them working on multiple projects not to mention constantly adding talent from around the globe to these studios. It’s taking time but if you want to build a quality 1st party it’s the best approach. I can’t wait to see all the exciting games to be announced in the coming month. Not to mention they went all in on the hardware with the series x. They just went out and built the hands down best next gen system. Gamepass xcloud renting servers to Sony Xbox is taking over

[Ricegum]

Never go full fanboy.

[Donnie81]

Listen to your own advice.

[chiefJohn117]

Lol Ikr now look in a mirror and say that

[galmi]

says the fanboy lol

[Redemption-64]

Sony will still dominate, MS has had the power advantage for years now and the Switch is beating it every time.

[Donnie81]

Things are changing so either get on the hype train or get off the tracks. The ps5!is in for the same treatment the ps3 got. It’s gonna cost about the same as the series x thanks to what’s gonna be the underutilized ssd. Plus the switch isn’t really a console it’s a handheld that you can hook to a tv with very bad results. The switch is the worst system I’ve ever owned hands down. People are gonna get sick of playing that trash

[Chevalier]

" People are gonna get sick of playing that trash"

Nah Xbox trash has its fans. Nintendo dominate Xbox and lap it in under 3 years and this shows the delusion is real. Nintendo will continue to dominate Xbox for years to come. Power has never been the reason systems sell. PS1, PS2, Wii, PS4 and Switch straight dominated. Time for Xbox to get lapped again. Facts.

[derek]

Hi I'm Donnie81 and I live in a land of pure fantasy.

[Donnie81]

Must be the same land people like you live in when thinking the ps5 is gonna even be competitive performance wise.

[oasdada]

"Adding talwnt from around the world".. most of that talent you are talking about is coming from sony studious so if ur so much excited about the "talent" from sony studios why not play the games from the studios those "talents" are coming from? I.e just give a ps exclusive a try and u will never look back

[galmi]

but if the talents are moving, shouldnt i go to where they are now??

[Donnie81]

I prefer Xbox because they better cater to my needs. Every Sony game is getting stale they are wearing the formula out. Walking simulator with a third person camera add in plenty of cinematics with an emotional twist in the end. That’s why the last of us two got postponed. Game testers gave the nearly complete product crappy reviews.

[The Wood]

Donnie.... You try too much. Sony's domination over your console of choice seems to have hurt your soul. Games of quality have and always will be the definitive factor. Power will matter but as you can see the x didnt put a dent on sony's dominance despite its advantages. Powerful weapons need powerful ammo

You use the delay to a potential game of the year/gen as some kinda dig which is laughable because it seems some prefer nothing at all over delayed quality

childish, bitter or deluded...? Take your pick on self assessment because your comment above and this one here ticks a lot of boxes.

[oasdada]

Well the last known xbox exclusive was gears 5 which is oh wait mimicking walking simulation and oh my also a third person shooter.. wait didn't u say u dont like em any more? Boohoo

[yomfweeee]

Spencer has been talking all generation and they just don't deliver in games.

And like I always say, he has been in charge of their internal studios well before X1.

[ShadowWolf712]

Yeeep. Lotta folks forget he was literally managing their game studios before he got his current job. The Xbox One era games were all Phil.

[sinspirit]

Which includes the focus on kinect 1.0 and ditching hardcore gamers during 360, lining up with the Kinect focus during X1's launch. He wasn't in interviews which is why they didn't fire him. He had a blank slate to the general public.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

But not in charge of Xbox. Huge ass difference.

[sinspirit]

What's XBox's biggest weakness? Games. He's been in charge of that for a looooong time.

The only reason for new dev acquisition is so they can push forward with XCloud for continuous revenue, supporting GamePass for its own revenue, trying to keep users on Live subscriptions, and one last shove for XBox. It's not even cause XBox was that important to MS. Seeing as this whole gen has lacked.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Sin "What's XBox's biggest weakness? Games. He's been in charge of that for a looooong time."

Yeah and Xbox was doing well with games for a looooong time until the higher ups shifted focus. A company trying to make hmmm you don't say.

"It's not even cause XBox was that important to MS. Seeing as this whole gen has lacked."

For a company that doesn't care about Xbox sure went out if there way to make a strong ass console. If your comment was remotely true the Lockhart Series S console would be their main one with X Series coming 4 or 5 years down the line. Hell Blade 2 is a big AAA title, Project Mara also a AAA. The inevitable Fable IV also AAA The Initiative AAA Obsidian gearing up for a AAA. In case you're wondering these games aren't made in 6 months to a year. Just FYI.

[yomfweeee]

Microsoft had never been good at first party exclusives.

[sinspirit]

You don't have to advertise and throw in flair when you bring up topics related to xbox.

Phil IS an xbox higher up. When he was in charge of games is when 2010 shifted their focus to kinect. It's not coincidence that when he rose up that MS also changed their focus away from core gamers at the same time. This dude hasn't even done one thing this generation to help xbox and openly lies all the time with fake promises. He's been in charge of games for a decade, right when they stopped making good ones. And, had been in charge this entire generation. The least you can do is accept he has failed and lied rather than spin around that they conveniently have games coming in a few years now that they have another 500 dollar box to spend money on. A roughly 500 dollar box. That's the point. You're excusing their greedy history and agendas and mistreatment of consumers now that they knowingly found a way to tempt you to buy another box from them. You understand? They don't care about you. They just need a reason to sell a box. They haven't "listened" all gen till, conveniently, a new console is on the line.

MS sees opportunity in more than xbox and more services. That's why they're giving a last push. XBox is a bonus.

[Chevalier]

@Wulfer

" as you put it, is you expect to have all the exclusives next gen like you did this gen"

Where did I say all exclusives are the only thing? Go ahead and learn to read. Notice you had no rebuttal to why Xbox had so few when Nintendo released more in short order.

How does your logic work when you bring in Crossfire and other unrelated garbage? What's this about ready to lose exclusives? Lol. Are you deluded and think that Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Zelda, God of War, Uncharted, TLOU as such are going to disappear or something? Whose being deluded now? Exclusives are the backbone of why Playstation and Nintendo dominated Xbox.

Also you bring up Ori and ironically it kind of proves my point. You can play Ori on the Switch and PC so who is that an 'exclusive'?!

[Chevalier]

It's funny to see Xbox fans jumping aboard like the past has somehow changed. Seriously while Xbox is moving to make more games do they really believe that Sony and Nintendo are just going to stop releasing games or something? Lol. Seriously deluded. Spencer has had all generation to make it happen, but, ol Don was the reason it didn't happen? Lol. The last 4 years not counting the beginning of Xbox One and he couldn't muster up some exclusives for the end of the generation?! Really?! So it's not alarming that the Switch in 3 years utterly destroyed Xbox in exclusives when they had 7 years to do the same?! Lol. Just throwing excuses one after another.

The bar is literally so low it's on the ground. Just take a step and they're going to pass over it.

[Wulfer]

No what's "seriously deluded" as you put it, is you expect to have all the exclusives next gen like you did this gen. This simply isn't going to happen ever again! Ori, CrossfireX are just the beginning. Either have two consoles or (three) next gen consoles next gen or prepare to start losing exclusives. Game Pass is a world class service now while PS Now continues to limp along. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a big game changer and speaks volumes for the service and the quality of its games. MS proudly keeps it's BC compatible titles up on it's services while Sony continues to shut down big titles like Drive Club to push its gamers to other games. Personally, if I want to play Daytona USA when I want too without interruption, I prefer that versus Sony shutting "everything down" scenario. See MS already revamped XBL to handle all these changes back in the 360 era (April 10, 2010 to be exact). XBL can handle all kinds of adjustments that PSN can't do. This is why MS shutdown the original XBL service! Sony's still running PSN shoe stringed together from it's PS2 days. Those days are long gone!

[lazyboyblue]

Pony defence force will love this article.

[TheHateTheyGive]

Im an xbox guy and play my xbox one much much more than i do my ps4 and i can see and tell that phils full of it, All he does is talk talk talk.

[chiefJohn117]

Bruh you do realize everyone knows your history on N4g? Lol so please stop

[Fishy Fingers]

You can always rely on a Phil Spencer thread to provided those triggered comment lols.

[Ricegum]

You thrive off those triggered comments though. I don't know what's worse.

[Fishy Fingers]

Oooh. There's one ^ :)

[chiefJohn117]

Lol soon as I seen it I said ps fanboys is about flock to it

[Duke19]

Haha this is n4g sir. Microsoft is forever the devil

[Sophisticated_Chap]

The big green trail has some momentum, and it isn't stopping for anything. In other news, apparently Naughty Dog's Sylvia Chambers just joined Microsoft's The Initiative.

[oasdada]

So your so happy a dev from naught dog joined the initiative? How about trying a game from the studio where this single talent actually came from and where alot more such talent is still there? U hate on sony but celebrate a single dev coming to ur side tells people what a high pedigree sony studios have.. no1ns happy or even reporting when an xbox dev goes to the other side.. ever wondered why? So stop blabbering and try ps games and see whats it actually about kid

[Sophisticated_Chap]

U mad

[ShadowWolf712]

We've seen this same line for years.

[Thundercat77]

I don't know how there are still people who believe this liar. He will say anything to create false hype.

This is the guy that said "we are in no competition with Sony and Nintendo" and the a few days later he said he has a plan to win over Sony and Nintendo. The same one that lied about the power of the cloud and crackdown 3. The one who tried to jab Sony about crossplay when Xbox was the first to refuse crossplay last Gen while Sony was first doing it.

And now, same as the power of the cloud, the latest brainwash is "the Teraflops" trying to sell the idea that everything is about Teraflops when countless developers had said you cannot measure a system using Teraflops.

[ElementX]

Whether you like it or not, streaming MAY be the future (I hope not). Even Sony is partnering with MS for cloud services. In a board meeting, MS may talk about competing with Amazon and Google because of cloud services, but when it comes to talking to the fans, you have to tell them you're going to win because that's what teams do. Nobody tells their fans "we're going to try". MS is mainly focused on revenue from their Azure services, which accounts for a huge part of their profits, with Google and Amazon being the major competition.

[IRetrouk]

They arent partnering with ms for their cloud services, they mentioned working together on solutions and they want to use micorsofts server farms to run their services off, the memoradum covered much more than just that though, which still isnt a done deal.

Do you play any of the streaming services?
It wont take over traditional gaming, from input lag to compression the experiance is worse than playing directly, if it does become the only way, its bye bye hobby for me.

Thunder does have a point, phill has said a lot of stuff over the years that either never happened, didnt turn up or just came out worse than what we were led to believe, it's a fair point in my opinion.

[ElementX]

"They arent partnering with ms for their cloud services". What? Azure is the MS cloud.

"Under the memorandum of understanding signed by the parties, the two companies will explore joint development of future cloud solutions in Microsoft Azure to support their respective game and content-streaming services. In addition, the two companies will explore the use of current Microsoft Azure datacenter-based solutions for Sony’s game and content-streaming services."

Kenichiro Yoshida, president and CEO of Sony. said "I believe that our joint development of future cloud solutions will contribute greatly to the advancement of interactive content."

Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft. said “Our partnership brings the power of Azure and Azure AI to Sony to deliver new gaming and entertainment experiences for customers.”

https://news.microsoft.com/...

It's not a done deal, but who else would Sony go with? Amazon or Google?
I said streaming MAY, I even capitalized it for emphasis!

[IRetrouk]

The way you worded it made it seem onesided and a done deal, which again it's not, and it's not.

Again, sony dont want to use microsofts cloud solutions, they want to run their own solutions off the azure server farm while also working with ms to improve both of their respective services/solutions, understand me now?

And yes, sony could use any of those other companies server farms, they could even use more than one at the same time if they really wanted to.

I know you said may, which is why I asked if you had used any of the services, followed by my opinion on it.

[ElementX]

I don't think you realize exactly what cloud is... a cloud can use pre-installed software like Office or you can install your own custom software. Either option is still using the cloud service. If Sony uses their own hardware or Gaikai in a MS server farm, it's still using MS cloud services. The infrastructure is part of the cloud....

[IRetrouk]

Ok man, clearly misunderstood each other there, sony want to run their cloud service off microsofts servers, if you consider that a cloud service that's fair enough, but the points I made stand🤷‍♂️

[Z501]

"Under the memorandum of understanding signed by the parties, the two companies will explore"

"explore"

NO ONE said anything about any Corp using anything. "Explore" does not equate to "use" or sell to market.

[ElementX]

"It's not a done deal, but who else would Sony go with? Amazon or Google?"

I modified my statement hours ago, Z501

[rainslacker]

They have to tell your fans that? I don't see Nintendo and Sony always talking about competition. I know they mention it once in a while, usually in a much broader sense, and surely they do convey optimism about being the best and wanting to win. But I wouldn't say they make frequent mentions of it as if their fans really need to stay apprised of every moment of MS inner circle.

I think it's fine if they want to promote the brand and be positive about it. But they're doing this in lieu of actually providing meaningful products for their customers. The annoyance of the talking is only highlighted by the lack of action. It's like how Sony's reputation for always delivering was raised to almost mythic proportions in contrast to MS utter failure this gen.

[CaptainOmega]

This should be Xbox's best generation. If they drop the ball it's their own fault

[galmi]

thank you, these are the type of comments that gamers wanna hear not fanboys

Like i was telling friend, I dont want sony to die or anything, heck i can even say i want them to win next gen, but i want MS to carve up a good chunk of the market so as to encourage better competition. Int it comp that made xbox a better company compared to the beginning of the gen.

[DreadGara]

Kinda too late.
PlayStation already overshadowing Xbox for the coming generation... Xbox need a better management for sure.
Question is: when will Microsoft learn from it's mistakes and keep this guy as the head of Xbox?

[galmi]

what??

[--bienio--]

Haha how?

[badboyz09]

Xbox My advice
1.Make Xbox Live Free or Cheaper than PS Plus But cheaper will be Bananas!!
2.Make the console cost efficient with the PS4
3.make a second controller with different placement of the analog sticks.

[galmi]

1. Considering gamepass ultimate gives you xbox live also, it is cheaper than psn
2. I don't get what you mean by cost efficient, I do agree that a cheap entry point when it comes to cost will help a lot
3. total nonsense

[badboyz09]

1. If it is promote it than
2. just make it cheaper than PS4
3. trust me gamers hate the analog placement of the xbox controllers. Thy need to change it. If sony were to change there analog stick fans would OUTRAGE!

[TheHateTheyGive]

Yada yada yada, all talk, power, no exclusives that are must buy. Phil loves talking about phil. I'll never let him live down when he said the power of the cloud will make every xbox one 10x stronger with no need to upgrade the hardware.

[chiefJohn117]

Yet you still buy and use it more than PS xD

[TheHateTheyGive]

I love my base og xbox one with the power brick. game pass is amazing. I play my xbox much more than i do my ps4 and next gen is xbox for me. But, i can still call BS on phil because i want xbox to have great console exclusives like playstation.

[jairusmonillas]

Xbox will never win anything until Team Xbox learns PR Spins and Fake news and Sponsored Trolls are not going to carry them a victory over Playstation. Xbox still focuses on low quality exclusives especially with gamepass in mind they always lose out to Playstation highly exclusives. Xbox's decision to widely ignore other parts of the world is also going to be their another early downfall. It's all about US and UK and ignore everything else. Hell their fans even think Japan is the 3rd largest market outside of US and UK, Team Xbox and Xbox fans are so out of touch of reality. PS4 sales barely sold that much in Japan. It's the Global numbers that count and that is how Playstation will and always wins. lol.

[gold_drake]

absolutely not. he is still saying the whole BS "we the best!!!"
just stop it already. focus on ur own damn console.

[galmi]

you probably never read the article right??

[l33t_haxx0r]

I am pretty sure next gen that xbox will yet again disappoint. I am still unsure if playstation will disappoint or not, but I think they may also just not as bad as xbox. Nintendo will launch something new and will also disappoint. the next next gen is where its at

[Smokehouse]

Everything they have done so far regarding next gen has me feeling the same way. Of course that could change in a matter of days or weeks but the potential and moves they are making has me hyped for the next Xbox. Hopefully their new first party comes out of the gate with winners.

[Italiano1234567]

Just cause they might have learned doesn't mean more people are gonna buy into it.

[xX1NORM1Xx]

I like Phil and I understand Sony and Microsoft are in full PR marketing mode but for this one? I'll believe it when I see it, it's not that Microsoft isn't capable of making killer games it's they just jumped on the AAA publisher band wagon seeing how churned out sequels, dlc and microtransactions where making 3rd parties a shit tonne of money and they wanted in.

Forgetting that they had to sell a console in the progress I mean the fact peter Moore went on to work at EA and Don Mattrick previously worked at EA and then went on to work at Zynga just shows where their priorities lay ie making money with shitty practices and get rich quick scemes...

You can't do that shit when you are trying to sell a console, Sony understood that they still catered to the casual crowd because you have to it's a good way to sell consoles and refusing to appeal to half the gaming audience is a very stupid idea. However they didn't go all in and say fuck you to their fans unlike Microsoft, so it's gonna take more than a few promises and good intentions to make me believe Microsoft is back.

They are admittedly making progress ever since Phill was put in charge because he isn't JUST concerned with pumping the stock prices up he understands the industry.

Hopefully they keep going down this road because as a gamer I'm finding the competition exciting because as funny as it was to see Microsoft shoot themselves in the foot over and over again then wet themselves we missed out on an entire 3rd of potential good games. Sony knocked it out the park on ps4, Nintendo is doing the same on switch but Microsoft did fuck all...

[FanboyPolice]

I like where this is going. I look forward for both, PS5 and XBSX

[ocelot07]

I just don't trust the man at all. I welcome for all what he is saying to be due. But I simply don't even trust him. All Microsoft is seeing from me is £4 per month with PC game pass that's £48 a year a price of a single new game. Even then I still don't feel good about future Xbox 1st party titles as I simply don't trust the guy.

Ill give him that he has patched the sinking ship in what we know as the Xbox platform. But he has yet to show me anything why I should buy a Xbox One X or even get a tiny bit excited about the Xbox Series X.

[Dissidia]

It’s just video games man, you don’t have to “trust” Phil. Just be patient, trust your eyes and make an opinion that way

[ocelot07]

I have trusted my eyes and made my opinions for the last 10 years with the xbox platform and it went down hill.

Dont get get me wrong. They have made some really good decisions over the last few years. Gamepass being the main one. I really like gamepass.

However, Microsoft suck really bad in the first party games department (not including Forza and Gears). Sure they have new studios but with Microsoft's track record I have no reason to be excited about that.

[silenthillstrangler]

The fact that there will be NO exclusive series x games for 2 years is the single worst thing you could tell potential buyers.

[NextGenCeo]

For Next Generation
PS4= Xbox Series X 499$
PS5= Xbox One S 499$

Only way to this scenario is happend PRICE! If both console came with same price. This means scenario will work. Otherwise not gone happen.
(ESL Guy here.)

[GamingSinceForever]

At least he has admitted to the fact that they were messing up in the past. Now you X Bots need to do the same.

We will wait and see what MS brings to the table in the next year. Sony is a sure thing and this we all know.

[RamRod88]

The vast majority of xbox gamers are fully aware MS messed up bad this generation. That moment has passed and MS has shown the last 3 years they have changed and ready to do things right this time.

[wenaldy]

Yeah okay but this is Phil Spencer talking.

[Urzusix]

After 5 years of all talk and hype with no content, Team xbox has a lot to prove before I get one, PS4 has been so amazing I will support PlayStation at the start of next Gen

[derek]

Good guy Phil, the king of empty promises.

[S2Killinit]

Isnt all his comments meant to portray that impression?

[DarXyde]

Maybe.

Honestly, I've been burned on every Xbox to date and I am overwhelmingly skeptical. Game Pass is a really good deal and in my opinion beats any competing service on the market. The transparency around Series X is pretty favorable, too. That all being said, I will still be skipping Xbox Series X. Not only do I not need two really powerful consoles, I think PS5 is likely to bring much more into the traditional gaming formula than raw power. You get less [theoretical] performance, but it seems likely that you're more likely to utilize the full 10.28TF on PS5 than the full 12.1TF on Series X. But the biggest thing to me is that Microsoft is doing a little too much pushing of the subscription model for my comfort. They're allowed to do so, but it's not really a future that I'm willing to endorse. The furthest I'm willing to go with this idea is paying for online and getting "free" games in the process, so no, not interested in Game Pass or PlayStation Now or xCloud.

Microsoft may well have learned their lesson. Really, it's quite possible and I'm willing to believe that. But I've now decided that after 3 generations, I don't need an Xbox. Fortunately, thus far, they've not acquired any studios I really care about (unless you count Playground), but in the grand scheme of things, they've snapped up some good ones. I've no doubt Series X will be better than Xbox One, but I see that as a low bar. The power on its own is exciting, but I don't really care about power--never have.

So all in all, I say that if you are planning to get Series X, enjoy. I think for sure it'll be a better console than Xbox One (of course, it plays like every Xbox game ever, plus Series X). Very impressive technology, but I'm embracing this point in my gaming career where I can get by with one powerhouse console and a Nintendo platform. For me, I have to go with PlayStation every time.

[galmi]

the amount of idiots here is staggering, so xbox has to fail for you to feel happy about your purchase. You should encourage competition, this is not to say that MS has a shitty 3rd console, but hopefully they learn and do the right things

[Chevalier]

It's not that Xbox had to fail. It's that Xbox failed so often that they need to prove otherwise. Fans have every right to be skeptical. The excuses are always they same he hasn't had enough time etc. Really? Then explain this if 7 years is NOT enough time then explain how Nintendo has had more exclusives in 3 years than Xbox has had in 7 years? Did Nintendo snap their fingers? No they managed the studios prepared and developed them in short order.

[Knightofelemia]

You may learn from past mistakes but you will always make a mistake further down the road

[AK91]

$399 XSX?

[TheGamez100]

Hope so. Their future does look bright but I'll believe it when i see it when they come out with titles on par to sony's.

[Donnie81]

It must be hard for Phil to remain humble right now. He’s got the largest most talented 1st party getting ready to drop high quality exclusive after high quality exclusive. He’s getting ready to drop the best gaming console in the history of man. He’s giving gamers incredible value and flexibility with gamepass and xcloud. Phil is walking around with what the hip young ladies refer to as B. D. E.

[Artemidorus]

No they haven't this is absoulte lies, they changed a direction with PC ideas because Sony dominated by listening to it's fans.

They still provide battery powered controllers it's outdated and should now provide a cable to charge no excuses and forcing people to pay extra for this feature is a cop out.

The Xbox Live is again outdated hiding behind a pay wall offering free games or F2P games but you have to pay a subscription to use these features again others doing this for free all together.

The lack of games they provide is destroying the consoles, Sony have always done well because they provide their own decent content or support some. Waiting YEARS for Microsoft to finally show something is a joke.

Wait for a discount or avoid, there is no reason to own a XSX when something like a Playstation 4 or a PC already provide much more.

[Max_Eckhardt]

What happens when Spencer inevitably leaves his position as head of Xbox and and we get another corporate tool that takes his place?

[Chevalier]

Then Xbox fans will just make more excuses. Set the bar to ground level and easily destroy the low bar by walking over it is what.

[MadLad]

I wrote an article back in 2014 (can be seen in my feed) as per their E3 briefing, saying the same thing .... and they only recently, as of the last couple of years, started getting their s*** back in order.
Here's to hoping they knock it out of the park this generation, because they've stagnated for a long time.

[Dragonscale]

Its just virtue signalling. Phils worried because people are more excited for the PS5 controller than the new xbox lol.

[Dude Dutch]

So I heard that there are folks out there who actually still believe this bloke......

[CatCouch]

I'm hoping Microsoft succeeds. I mostly play on PC and Switch now, but if Microsoft can make great games, I can still play them on PC and that's a great thing for me! I love that I can earn achievements on both Steam and my Xbox account while playing Halo. Now give me some new Banjo-Kazooie!

[RosweeSon]

Comments don’t indicate change actual actions do launch some games and actually do some stuff talk is cheap and it ain’t winning me over.

[DrShoe]

Phil always lies.

[GreenDragonCVR]

"Recent comments indicate phil spencer figured out how to transmute shit in to gold" is a more believable headline

[TheHan]

When they finally put the right man in charge of the Xbox industry shit gets done. For his timing in the position for the condition that he was left with, I’d say he’s done a remarkable job at making things right by his fans and the Xbox company. Everything you do you get back in return, everything you buy pretty much adds up to in store credit later on with their Microsoft rewards. As well as the Ultimate Game Pass which is awesome, you can buy a year of Xbox live turn around and get Game pass for a year while they still have the offer. About $75 a year for everything is a great deal! As well as the savings every week on all sorts of content from movies to music and video games. I can keep going on as to why I like Xbox but it doesn’t matter, I’m not trying to sell anyone on it. I just prefer MP games, the best online Eco system on the market and consumer friendly practices.

[Minute Man 721]

The Sony crew having meltdowns 😆 😆 😆

Back on topic
I believe another gen like XO and M$ will be out of the console business. Too much $$$ at stake. Games are the biggest entertainment medium today crushing every other entertainment medium in generated revenue

[chiefJohn117]

Why so many people triggered and making stuff up? 😂 This is too funny. I think a certain group of people scared lmao.

[Ashunderfire86]

Well Phil Spencer, your Xbox Series X has a lot to prove. You were the best thing Xbox ever needed, a true gamer taking over as the head of Xbox, replacing that idiot Don Mattrick! Never forget when I was at E3 2013 Don Mattrick said in an interview with game news journalist, "If you don't have internet buy an Xbox 360." That quote not only got Don Mattrick fired, it singlehandedly handed the console generation win to Sony!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Yes Xbox gamers remember this man who ruin the Xbox brand! Who cause thousands of Xbox fans like myself to jump shift to PS4.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I was disappointed with how they presented the Xbox One reveal talking mostly about TV!!!! The Always Online, and the final nail in the coffin the price!!! Man the embarrassing look on Phil Spencer's face when he had to say it! That pause despite the crowd cheering, but he knew gamers weren't happy about that.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Now Xbox Series X needs to be the one console to beat the competition. Yes, it has brute force specs and all these Xbox fans talking about 12 Tflops CUs for Ray Tracing all day, but Xbox Series X need to prove that with more exclusives! More reasons to pick it up over PS5. Xbox Series X need to be the console "That Will Make America And The World Happy To Play Again!"

[QuePasa87]

Right...we'll see about that

[MetroidFREAK21]

Let's hope so

[Elda]

Their next gen games will prove if they learned or not.

[neomahi]

Microsoft is forced too. They're not doing this because they're good guys, they're doing it because their bottom line is under attack and they can't bear scorn. Sony whooped them and they can't have that. Problem is, consumers have already been scorned and unless Sony does something to really trip up, Sony will maintain their lead and Microsoft will remain where they're at. Business and politics are the same, it's people telling you what you wanna hear. This is all smoke and mirrors. Power isn't going to save Microsoft this go around, just like Xbox One X isn't making any difference now. If power was everything, One X would be destroying PS4 Pro, but it isn't because Sony are smarter, add it up.

[Minute Man 721]

"Business and politics are the same"

Next gen hasn't even begun yet. They "should" show games soon. Give them year 2 they we can start dumping on M$