DOOM Eternal Graphics Analysis: PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X vs PC Comparison

DOOM Eternal is an evolution of an already excellent title in just about every way.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

"The Xbox Series X delivers the best experience. Resolution tops out at 1800p on Microsoft’s platform, with dips below in more intense scenes. The console stays at the upper bounds of the resolution scale most of the time, however, leading to a relatively crisp image on 4K panels. The PS4 Pro compromises image quality a bit more, topping out at 1440p, with dips below. While the presentation is noticeably softer on 4K panels, DOOM Eternal’s excellent temporal anti aliasing makes for a reasonably smooth image."

Expect this to be case all next gen. 4k/60 XSX....1440-4K/60'PS5.

[jukins]

Lol what?!? You really think xsx is gonna be ONLY 4k 60?

[NewMonday]

PS5 should be 2x better at loading textures with better draw distance. textures are a major focus of idtech engines. can't see how some extra 15% on the GPU will make that up.

[fr0sty]

PS5 runs at faster clock speeds, so there will be times it has the framerate advantage, especially on CPU bound games. This isn't even factoring in it having a hard drive that is as much as 3 times faster, or the tempest engine removing the audio load from the CPU and aiding in other tasks as well.

[Ulf]

@fr0sty,

It's pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about. In no way, shape, or form will the GPU clock make up for the lack of CUs on the GPU, and the PS5 CPU clock is *slower*.

The only way a faster GPU clock could possibly make a difference with framerate here would be if the PS5 GPU had at least as many ROPs as the XSX GPU, and the game was *also* fill-rate bound. That's just not gonna be a thing.

[Unspoken]

Great game engine that everyone can enjoy. Maybe they can use this engine in Bethesda games.

[gravedigger]

@Ulf

"form will the GPU clock make up for the lack of CUs on the GPU, and the PS5 CPU clock is *slower*.

XSXs CPU with SMT is 3.6 GHz, PS5s CPU is 3.5 GHz with SMT. Not that slower

[NewMonday]

@Ulf

Devs will need to manually split workload for the SX extra CUs, and some work simply can't be split and will be limited by the the speed of the individual CU and this where PS5 has a big advantage leapfrogging the SX extra CPU count.

[Pejjan]

Don’t even bother to comment 343 guilty sh

[Elda]

Yeah...ok.

[SyntheticForm]

"Expect this to be case all next gen. 4k/60 XSX....1440-4K/60'PS5.&quo t;

Just because the power is there doesn't mean devs are going to use it to that end, least of all in every case, which is basically what you just said.

I 'do' expect the XSX to achieve better resolution in some scenarios in third party titles owning to the better GPU. Don't think gulf is going to be that massive though and the PS5 is closer to the XSX than the Pro is to X1X.

[SyntheticForm]

@Echo

I just said the same thing because the XSX 'is' more powerful with the exception of the SSD.

I expect DF analyses to lean toward XSX due to the better GPU, CPU, higher bandwidth memory, and higher bus speed of 320mb.

I 'do' 'expect' third party games to be a little better on XSX with the exception of loading, environment streaming, and maybe draw distances.

But do I expect 4K/60 for all games? No. I think devs will prioritize other things and sometimes res and frame rate will come second. There's a lot, and I mean a lot more to a game and its world than resolution and frame rate, but especially resolution.

[CrimsonWing69]

Yes but Sony lives and dies by their library. PS2 was the weaker of the 3 consoles and it was the best selling of all time and has a hell of an exclusive library.

This next-gen is going to be interesting because of MS can give an exclusive library on the level of Sony, then it could come back to the glory days of the 360.

We’ll see, I’m thinking about making Xsex my primary for the next gen because I want the best possible version of a game, but if they slog on exclusives I may just stick with Sony. The thing is i hate spreading my games over multiple consoles. I usually pick a primary and then buy only exclusives on the other.

[jukins]

Soo why not go pc? If Nik you really want the best

[GamerRN]

I'm the same way... I just happen to like raw power and the controller better, so I'll be sticking with Xbox primarily and PS5 for exclusives

[GamingSinceForever]

There is no arguing that the XSX has more raw power than the PS5, but that does not mean that the PS5 is limited. You’re making the assumption that developers will tap into the extra power, especially if it reveals little noticeable differences.

Also the XBox One initially was under powered struggling to hit 1080p which was an unfortunate misstep by MS to start the gen.

[Master of Unlocking]

"You’re making the assumption that developers will tap into the extra power, especially if it reveals little noticeable differences."

True.

What plenty of people usually fail to keep in mind is that, by all accounts now, Microsoft are going to come up with the Xbox series S (or w/e it's eventually called) a little while later after the launch of the Xbox series X, a system drastically cheaper than the PS5 (about 100$ less I would say), but also very underpowered. They 're gonna do that to try and "flank" Sony, as a payback to thank them for the 100$ undercutting Sony did to them at the beginning of this gen if you will, so as to offer both a top-of-the-line system, even if it's more expensive than the PS5 (and it will be), and a lower-specced system to have a cheaper system on the market than Sony.

The thing is, as I was saying, by all accounts from devs worldwide, developping a game for 2 Xbox systems is not as easy as some would think, and some of them are expressing their frustration at having to waste time to develop 2 versions of their game just for the MS's systems.

So while having, on paper, the most powerful system (the speed at which MS were so adamant to point that out, stating on their website long before the PS5 specs were even revealed that they had "the most powerful console ever", should come as a tipp off to some, esp. Sony engineers, that it's not exactly in Sony's interest to blindly trust those chip makers at AMD or any of their minions, by the way), it's still very much possible Microsoft may not always have the best optimized versions of third-party games on their systems, simply due to having two instead of one for Sony (for now at least).

[DarkZane]

Both consoles will easily be able to do 4k/60fps with the same visual quality because the difference is very small. However, you're kidding yourself because 95% of the games will be 4K/30fps on both because devs will always go for better graphics instead of framerate. The 5% that will be 4K/60fps will be first party games and the odd multiplatform games.

Sadly, the era of 60fps being the standard on console ended when we jumped from SD to HD and it's never coming back. If you want 60fps, PC is where you need to go.

[rainslacker]

I think we'll see more devs implementing a choice of framerate or graphics.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The difference is the same as the difference between the X and the Pro, close to 2 TF.

[JohnJ]

With the greater efficiency of new architecture (~2X) Teraflops May count for double. So double the difference between the two.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@JohnJ

Well a certain group doesn't like to talk about that.

[RazzerRedux]

@JohnJ

"With the greater efficiency of new architecture (~2X) Teraflops May count for double. So double the difference between the two."

lol....what? PS5 and XSX are both RDNA 2. The same exact architecture.

@343_Guilty_Spark

"The difference is the same as the difference between the X and the Pro, close to 2 TF."

So somehow a difference of 35% in TF between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X is the same as the 17% difference between PS5 and XSX? Come on, dude. Do some math.

"No need to use percentages here as they are proportional to the dominator. "

LOL!

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@RazzerRedux

Its still 1.8+ TF difference.

Mind telling me what that will look like?

[RazzerRedux]

"Its still 1.8+ TF difference.

Mind telling me what that will look like?"

See the article above? When you start seeing these for next gen consoles then you will get your answer.

I expect to see an advantage for XSX but how much of an advantage, no one can say based on what we have.

[Hedstrom]

Lol! Youre not really gifted in the head department!

[Kumakai]

agreed. series x w/ its faster, wider memory bus, faster cpu speed and more cu's on the gpu w/ locked frequency means this will absolutely be the case formultiplatform games next gen as well.

[BehindTheRows]

"The PC versions offers a number of settings and features that set it apart from the game’s console iterations. For starters, the frame rate is fully unlimited. DOOM Eternal is not a CPU-intensive game. This means that, with sufficiently powerful hardware, frame rates in excess of 200 FPS are possible, especially at lower resolutions. It also means that 4K/60 FPS gameplay is possible, even on hardware like the RTX 2070 Super that’s better suited to 1440p".

Nah, that's what I can expect all gen on the superior platform. I know you'll run and cower from the PC, but since power matters all of a sudden to you (when you were on of the most vocal opponents of said discussion before the X1X was announced), one has to wonder why you choose to ignore that platform?

[Babadook7]

"Expect this to be case all next gen. 4k/60 XSX....1440-4K/60'PS5.& ;quo t;

2160p vs 1440p? Ahahahhaha! That would require more than twice the power! 18% more power is going to be unnoticeable! The SSD on the other hand might make a visible difference for some games.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It's 2 TF difference same as X vs Pro.

No need to use percentages here as they are proportional to the dominator. The large the dominator the smaller the difference looks, but 2 Tf is 2 TF. It's the same difference as the X and Pro...and we see that lack of compute power is why the Pro is almost always lower resolution and graphical quality than the X. Compare the raw power difference.

[Babadook7]

@343
All wrong. 1.86 TF. And percentage is the only relevant number, particularly when assessing resolution which is the point. If you didn’t know that you're just ignorant.

Not to mention Doom eternal runs poor on Xbox one x. Pro runs smoother according to DF. So much for your ridiculous bragging rights.

[Master of Unlocking]

Even if devs don't eventually learn that TFLOPS only PARTLY indicate any given GPU's power and how to use the PS5's extra assets, I don't see how a meager power difference such as about 2 TFLOPS could result in games running on an Xbox series X at 4K/60fps while they would run only at 1440/60fps on the PS5.

You sir are delusional and are a fanboy.

[ocelot07]

So noting much in it then? That extra 1.7 tflops of POWAAAAAA is is again not going to sway people to buy the XSX over a PS5 imo. Just like with the X spite it being the most powerful console on the planet right now and with the Xbox only shifting a estimate of 40k world wide last month.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

PS5 isn't running sustained 10.2 TF.

That TF is more than a whole PS4.

It's okay for men to cry.

[rainslacker]

Wow. That's quite the extrapolation to take what is done this gen and assume it is somehow indicative of performance and resolution of next gen.

Keep fighting the good fight though. Someone has to do it, no matter how stupid the fight is.

[Loktai]

Well, you can say this except it depends on what the lead platform is-
The power difference between PS4 Pro and Xbox one X is about 30%. The difference
between XSX and PS5 is half that much.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Yet the raw power difference is roughly the same...around 2 TF.

So now we are saying ~2TF is nothing noteworthy?

Surely it was when comparing the X with the weaker Pro.

[Loktai]

@343

Sorry for the late reply-

2TF matters but if youre talking about a percentage of total power and its still less than 20 percent in worst case scenario, especially factoring in that a higher clock speed COULD (probably wont but lets play devils advocate) give a Per-Cu advantage in unsplit workloads like raw geometry fill rate or texture allocation(which MAY matter slightly with very fast storage, I again doubt it'll mean a real world difference) . those clocks COULD lower it more to a 15 percent gap but lets go with 20.

What does 20 percent do for you in the real world? A lot . But what will you see?

Vanilla PS4 is 1.84 teraflop, the original Xbox One, 1.31 teraflops,

The difference is .53 terraflops. Lets compare this

12.1tf
10.3tf tf or a difference of, lets round it and assume for a few MHZ downclock to play devils advocate fully
rather than "best case scenario" right? Lets say its 1.9TF difference.

Just as a percentage check.... .53 is what you need to ADD onto the launch XBOX ONE to hit PS4 levels.
.53TF is adding 40% to the power of the XBOX one to hit PS4- And PS4 is also running faster memory
which has nothing to do with TF so the difference is bigger than the 1.3tf yet they ran the same games
sometimes the only difference was 900P vs 1080p - or "more grass" on the hill in GTA5.

To have the power gap over PS5 that the PS4 had over the XBOX ONE at launch the XSX would need to be 14.4TF.

Radeon RX Vega 64 (Vega 10)—12.66 TFLOPs.

Radeon RX Vega 56 (Vega 10)—10.54 TFLOPs.

Well this difference happens to be super close to the difference between the consoles-
Keeping in mind this is an older technology as far as the archetecture but lets look at them.

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

This goes over games- mind you they are not optimized for the archetecture etc. But lets assume Terraflops
are what matters right?

These games are all running the same detail settings, the same textures and the same hardware otherwise.

The difference is something in the 5-10 FPS area depending on the game.

I agree this means that there COULD be times where the XSX can only just barely hold a steady 60fps in a game at 4k and the PS5 has to either run at a dynamic resolution or run at 50-55FPS instead but ... its not night and day.

[DarXyde]

Should I cringe or roll my eyes?

Ok, dude. We'll see.

[Atticus_finch]

It will be interesting to come back to this comment once Ps5 proves you wrong.

[CaptainHenry916]

PS5 loading time will definitely be better

[crazyCoconuts]

I guess this is payback for all the fun we had with your 720p games with the original Xbox. Keep em coming

[343_Guilty_Spark]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.c...

RTX 2080 (based on DF report on Gears 5 report) vs RX 5700 the closest PC equivalent to PS5.

https://www.tweaktown.com/a...

RTX 2080 Gears 5 - 4K/63 ULTRA
RX 5700 Gears 5 - 4K/36 ULTRA

[CaptainHenry916]

Your reaching. I can't wait for the PS5 to outsell the Series X 😂😁 maybe you should go back and play some Halo 5

[RazzerRedux]

DF acknowledges that the TF is largely useless when comparing dissimilar architectures. They express surprise that MS uses TF at all. You obviously ignored those facts and now you are yapping about Turing vs RDNA 1.0 like you know what you are talking about. Nothing you've said applies to XSX and PS5.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@CaptainHenry916

What do sales have to do with performance?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@RazzerRedux

Its still 1.8+ TF or more in favor for the XSX for both RDNA2 based consoles. What do you think 1.8+ TF looks like?...We already know RDNA2 can provide nearly double the performance of GCN based GPUs.

So what are you saying?

[Steppenwolfmother]

@343_Guilty_Spark I’m not GPU expert but isn’t the RX 5700 using RDNA1? Given that the PS4 GPU is RDNA2 tech which is like twice as powerful isn’t your whole argument false?

Also WCCFTech benchmarked the RX 5700 at running doom eternal on 4K at an average of 66FPS. And that card is half as powerful as the PS4 GPU?

[RazzerRedux]

"Its still 1.8+ TF or more in favor for the XSX for both RDNA2 based consoles. What do you think 1.8+ TF looks like?"

Yes, and that is an applicable comparison. So a 17% difference in performance. What it will "look like" will come in actual game benchmarks because those benchmarks don't always agree with TF.

"We already know RDNA2 can provide nearly double the performance of GCN based GPUs."

GCN is irrelevant. Why are you even bringing it up?

"So what are you saying?"

That pretending that the next gen consoles equate to RTX 2080 vs RX 5700 is ridiculous.

[outsider1624]

Oh cool then. Ps5 here i come.

[MADGameR]

Clearly you are a delusional X Box fanboy. The PC version is the best version.

[Lilrizky]

Maybe not. You or perhaps this article elected to leave out findings that the PS4 pro actually has smoother fps than the Xbox one X with less dips.

Similarly the RE3 demo which has the X at native 4k can't hold the 60fps at all, while the ps4 pro that targets a lower resolution locks the performance.

So expect to see 4k/sub 60 XSX... 1440-4k locked 60 PS5. This was a joke btw id doubt either of them could hold next gen made games at 4k/60fps. That's like saying because the pro can run TLOU remastered at native 4k it can run all ps4 games at native 4k.

[883]

Gotta love the discussions where all of a sudden having more CUs is being discussed as though it is an undesirable quality?! The world's gone mad. The PS5 does not need defending, but to be fair, more CUs will be part of GPU *progress* and developers *will* use them.

[rainslacker]

I think a lot of that stems from reaction to those who are making it more than it is in the first place. Which is pretty much anything that involves anything related to everything that related to gaming.

Focusing on any one aspect, or even a few is not going to give the whole picture. I also think most of the people gushing about anything dont really know what to expect either way...like the OP, who obviously doesnt know tech, and cant even make an argument that interprets the PR information correctly.

[PrinterMan]

And why should we expect this exactly?

[Duke19]

Enjoying it on my PS4 Pro (although it definitely makes it sound like a jet engine at times), but the visual jump to the Xbox One X is definitely impressive. That looks good

[Elda]

I think it looks great on the Pro compared to the 2016 game. I have the latest version of the Pro that I bought this past Oct so it's quiet.

[babadivad]

Lucky

[Shuckylad]

Mine flew away

[rainslacker]

My games are loud when I turn up the surround sound and my nice speakers work their magic. My wife is constantly saying I am making too much noise playing my games.

Otherwise, the fan sound was fixed when I replaced the thermal grease, and never thought about it much since.

[Jin_Sakai]

Getting a quite PS4 Pro is a lottery. My PS4 Pro in the bedroom is quite yet the one in the living room is incredibly loud. Both are the newest models.

[Battlestar23]

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[Duke19]

Mine is usually quiet (or at least not bad enough to bug me) - if anything im pretty sure I need to clean it out. Have just been to lazy to explore what the best/safest way is to remove dust and dog hair

[KillBill]

@Battlestar23 - "The system still possessed similar power draw though, so the end result was a hotter console - albeit one that delivered a big improvement in its acoustic performance." so basically makes it run hotter but with less sound... wtf? Why would you upgrade to favor sound over heat???

[KillBill]

Expect the PS5 to be equally as loud. Looks like we have seen nothing from Sony on the cooling of PS5 as we have seen for Series X. So we can only take from this that it is not a focus they have or want to share with us.

[toddybad]

Presumably that will come when they show us what it looks like

[jukins]

You're ignorant. The fan noise and thermal limitations is one of the reasons Sony went variable frequencies. Cerny specifically pointed out fan noise trust it will be alot quieter than ps4 is. Plus tons of rumors have sony investing heavily into cooling this gen

[KillBill]

@jukins -"Plus tons of rumors have sony investing heavily into cooling this gen" go ahead and link us these so called "tons of rumors"... I have read next to nothing on Sony adopting any such cooling investment. While Microsoft has came out and directly acknowledged their cooling system and its focus being the major reason for the design of the Series X. Sony... hasn't even shown an etch-a-sketch of their sytem.

[iplay1up2]

I am happy to see that people are mostly agreeing with you! Now a huge Playstation fan here.

Back when I first got my my X1X I knew that third party games would be the main reason to have one. I was right. There are a lot of them that do look and run better on X. Gears 5 is a graphical beast on the X.

Next Gen, I am doubting 3rd party games will be much different on either new console at least the first years. They both will be able to handle 4K 60fps. That is the benchmark I think developers will go for.

I wish we knew the 1st party launch window line up was for both consoles. That is what the determining factor for me will be, for which system I buy!

Both are going to be EPIC!

[RazzerRedux]

"The PC versions offers a number of settings and features that set it apart from the game’s console iterations. For starters, the frame rate is fully unlimited. DOOM Eternal is not a CPU-intensive game. This means that, with sufficiently powerful hardware, frame rates in excess of 200 FPS are possible, especially at lower resolutions. It also means that 4K/60 FPS gameplay is possible, even on hardware like the RTX 2070 Super that’s better suited to 1440p."

Sounds about right.

[KillBill]

Come Series X launch expect to see a patch available to unlock console version for Series X gamers to get an even better experience than regular upgrade via simple stronger system specs.

[RazzerRedux]

And? By that time PC will have even better GPUs than what we have now. And every year after XSX launch, XSX will fall further behind what can be done on PC. So for the price of your XSX, I can push my PC even further ahead with a new GPU. This is why PC gaming is so awesome.

[KillBill]

@RazzerRedux - obviously you have not been following the trends of PC systems. For sure the PC is not looking at such types of upgrades in the near future and especially not at the value offered by Series X. When they do come down the line they still will be incredibly expensive and still leave the majority of PC gamers with a system that is far less than what the Seris X offers.

[RazzerRedux]

"obviously you have not been following the trends of PC systems. "

lol

"When they do come down the line they still will be incredibly expensive and still leave the majority of PC gamers with a system that is far less than what the Seris X offers."

Let's use the mid-range Nvidia xx70 as an example. The GTX 1070 was released in 2017 at $400 and had superior performance than the more expensive GTX 980. The RTX 2070 was released in 2018 at $500 and had superior performance than the more expensive GTX 1080.
At some point this year, Nvidia will announced their 3000 series and I fully expect to see the same trends continue. So the RTX 3070 will leapfrog the RTX 2080 at a lower price. That same 2080 that Xbox fans claim XSX will match up against.

AMD is also set to release their next lineup of dedicated GPUs based on RDNA 2 and they have typically offered a better value than Nvidia. The Zen 2 CPU that will power XSX will have been in PCs for over a year when XSX arrives. Concurrently, Microsoft is bringing their console enhancements to PC via DirectX 12 Ultimate which includes DirectStorage. Yeah....I think PC dominance isn't going anywhere.

[KillBill]

@Razzer Redux - you imagine that a new card will be coming out that is cheaper than the current RTX 2080 which sales for $800? (was previously showing a $700 msrp in January) And you talk about prices going down but you forget the fact RTX 2070 now sells for $600... which is $100 more than when it first came out. Don't lie to yourself with the idea cards are going down in price. They are not. And with the issue with COVID-19 around the world production of anything isn't going to be stable in the least.

And we are simply talking price of a single card and not every other component a PC would need to match the Series X. Go ahead and start pricing those SSD. Then tack on everything else for the PC. Not even close.

[RazzerRedux]

"you imagine that a new card will be coming out that is cheaper than the current RTX 2080 which sales for $800?"

You mean like this 2080 Super that sells for $699?
https://www.newegg.com/evga...

"And you talk about prices going down but you forget the fact RTX 2070 now sells for $600... which is $100 more than when it first came out."

lol....oh really? Like this 2070 that sells for $399?
https://www.newegg.com/giga...

Hell, even the 2070 Super can be had for $499.
https://www.newegg.com/giga...

You were saying?

" Don't lie to yourself with the idea cards are going down in price. They are not."

Perhaps you should strive to be less ignorant on the subject. And you missed the point entirely. I said if trends continue then the upcoming 3070 would be cheaper than the 2080 and have better performance just like the last two generations of GPUs have. You know....these trends you say I'm not following? lol

"And with the issue with COVID-19 around the world production of anything isn't going to be stable in the least."

And somehow you think consoles are immune to events surround world production? lol....you can't be serious.

"And we are simply talking price of a single card and not every other component a PC would need to match the Series X. Go ahead and start pricing those SSD. Then tack on everything else for the PC. Not even close."

SSD prices continue to fall. I'll do what every PC guy who follows "the trends of PC systems" do and wait for the PCIe 4.0 prices to get around $100 for a TB and then jump. Great thing is I don't have to wait on a new console gen for upgrades. And when I'm ready to expand, I won't be beholden to expensive proprietary bullshit like XSX.

There isn't more to be said here. You simply need to be more educated on the subject at hand. As it is, all I'm doing is constantly correcting your baseless assertions. No time for it.

[KillBill]

You are always going to be able to find sales going on from sights such as newegg. But doesn't change the point of what MSRP prices are and how they compare with relative release cycles and comparable price histories. Keep imagining you and others are the norm with gaming systems and come down to earth on the fact the vast majority of PC gamers won't even have systems that can compete with the PS5 let alone the Series X in the near future. Even today... PC gamers can't afford a comparable PC system at the cost of an XB1X let alone even having a fair number of gamers even owning an expensive system that matches up to said systems.

Face fact... most PC gamers just don't have and won't have systems comparable to next generation systems. The few that will are likely the ones that consistently throw money at their systems and then claim they aren't.

[Software_Lover]

Unless playing side by side, you would not be able to tell the difference. I can barely tell the difference between low-high settings on PC (In many of my games).

[fatbastard11]

Seek a medical professional immediately if that’s the case. I hope you don’t drive

[Software_Lover]

Nah, Im good. Everything else being equal, unless someone tells you what setting you are playing on, you would not be able to discern with 100% certainty if you are on low, medium, or high.

[JeffGUNZ]

@Software

Really? I can see not really noticing Ultra to very high but from something high to low is pretty apparent.

[Software_Lover]

Not unless someone tells you what setting you are on (for most games).

[windblowsagain]

Barely anything in it comparing X to pro.

Higher rez is only difference which is expected.

As for Pro. It was butterfly effect using the same gpu twice with a slight uptick in mhz.

X was a completely new build.

As for PS5/SERIES X.

PS5'S 36cu's at 2.23ghz is the way.

check out vega56vs64 to learn more.

at same clocks no difference in fps regardless of more cu's.

All games should be 60fps 4k. There won't be 8k for quality titles, 8k is a long way off for public use tbh.
just movies or some shit upscaled game.

Doom external is a good looking game. But although good in some area's is rough in others.

Nextgen games will look much better.

[Bluemaster77]

You're flat out lying about there being no difference in performance because of faster clocks. Clock speed increases dont have a linear relationship with performance meanwhile CUs do!

[Chris12]

Don't destroy his hopes, he has to cling to something!

[windblowsagain]

actually cu's don't scale well at all.

Mhz affects the whole system which is better.

Vega 56 vs 64.

56 has 8 less cu's and less mhz, but in games there 5fps difference.

You'll learn soon enough.

[ajax17]

It looks great on one x, but i have been running into a fair amount of framerate dips. Hopefully they'll patch it soon

[timotim]

Microsoft's platforms comes out on top as usual. Windows 10 and Xbox is the combo I'm going with heading into next generation for its compatibility and synergy.

[Ricegum]

Yet multiplatform games still sell so much better on Sony products. Strange isn't it Timotim. It's almost as if people look for other things in consoles other than Teraflops.

[timotim]

Why do you seem to get so triggered, so often when someone says anything positive about Xbox/Microsoft???

I said nothing about sales or TFs...nor would sales help any of these platforms in this comparison win in terms of fidelity and performance. Sales does NOT make a game more performant...sorry to tell you that. As a gamer, I PLAY the games...how they perform and look is everything...not how much a game sells...my games don't magically look and perform better with every copy sold.

Lastly, I said "heading into next generation"...Sony hasn't sold a single PS5 thus far...there sales is exactly what SX sales are as of right now...ZERO!

[Kiwi66]

So your response to any positive xbox comment is to talk about how well a game will sell on ps even if no one mentioned it

[rainslacker]

@Kiwi

Anyone that uses the term synergy to promote a console brand, or Windows, deserves whatever bitter response they get.:)

[KillBill]

That would be simply because of the user base.

And yes... many people tend to simply buy with little regards to which is better and instead on what is trending at the time in marketing.

[Computersaysno]

Why on earth would you buy a PC and an Xbox? Pointless. They play the same Microsoft games, but PC gets all the PC only games too as well as more performance with a good machine.

PC + Playstation is the smart combo everyone should have. The best of all multis on PC, and all Sony's games

[timotim]

Not pointless though. The PC I already have. However, it can't match what the SX will do in terms of performance and visual fidelity. The SX will also only cost around $500 which beats out buying a newer PC just to play these next gen titles on, which would cost me 1000s. The PC is in the studio, the SX will be in the living room...the fact that they play the same games is a plus...that means I have multiple places in the house to play my library of games. My daughter's room has the 1S, the basement has the 1X😉

EDIT: I see evidence of PS games coming to PC, then theirs the already established PS Now that currently runs on PC that I believe Sony will put a lot of focus on going forward. Xbox is where I play most of my games due to the controller and ecosystem. If the PS5 is weaker than SX, then its pointless to me to invest in that console just for a few games a year when I can get an SX and have better performance plus the ecosystem I prefer with the added benefit of Sony's games on PC through PS Now and native play.

[ElementX]

I'm getting both consoles and I have a PC. If a game comes to Epic store on PC, I'll buy it for whichever console it performs better on. I don't want to spread out my games and achievements across more than 3 platforms. If a friend who has Xbox comes over they can log in with my console and I can play on my PC, we can play together in the same room instead of across the city. Some games may be better optimized for console features.

[Computersaysno]

If you buy an Xbox and a PC without a Playstation, you're essentially buying the same thing twice and missing out on Sony's exclusive titles. Absolutely pointless. Especially when it's simple to rig up a system to connect a PC to a TV these days, and even control it from another room.

If you invest the money properly in a good gaming PC, you'll only be playing games on a weaker Xbox console anyway. They won't match a good PC.

Which makes the reason for buying an Xbox to play the same games on a slower system incredibly weird and weak, while missing out on Sony games entirely since unlike Microsoft there is no guarantee whatsoever they will all make it to PC.

PC + Playstation is the very best and most sensible combination of games systems, just as it has been all this generation too. It's the best of everything possible.

Xbox is dead for smart PC gamers. It plays and does nothing as good as a quality PC can do.

[timotim]

"If you buy an Xbox and a PC without a Playstation, you're essentially buying the same thing twice and missing out on Sony's exclusive titles."

I addressed this already. For starters, If I went PC and Xbox only, I would be heavily taking advantage of Play Anywhere where you buy it once and play the game on both PC and Xbox. Now if I bought a PC and PS5, I would need to buy two copies of every game...one for PC and one for console. Again, Microsoft's ecosystem is just better if you game on both. Same progression, Achievements, etc. shared on both.

"Especially when it's simple to rig up a system to connect a PC to a TV these days, and even control it from another room. "

Again, my PC is in the studio while my SX will be in the living room. I know you don't know this...but a bit of background. My PC is a Surface Studio 2...its an all-in-one technically. I bought it due to its high quality screen and touch and pen inputs. Now it def games with 32GBs of ram, an SSD, a GTX1070, and 28" almost 5k screen...but hooking that up to a TV would look kinda silly given the context. It is my PC...its what im typing on right now...its what I do my production work on...I have it in the room I want it in already. Its not a HTPC.
https://www.microsoft.com/e...

"If you invest the money properly in a good gaming PC, you'll only be playing games on a weaker Xbox console anyway. They won't match a good PC."

But I LOVE my PC and am not looking to replace it anytime soon. Again, its pretty capable...Im playing games like MCC on it at the native resolution of 4500x3000/60FPS with no performance issue. However, the SX will be a mere $500...wouldn't you say its much better to replace my $500 1X, than to attempt to replace my $4000+ PC if the SX is going to be very capable???

"while missing out on Sony games entirely since unlike Microsoft there is no guarantee whatsoever they will all make it to PC."

Godfall, Death Stranding, HZD, now rumors of God of War...SF5 in the past...NiOh...the list goes on. How many "exclusives" will Sony have that wont make it to PC in either native or PS Now??? God of War already did through PS Now. We know that Sony will be experimenting with more games on PC in the future like they did with HZD...I can live with the chance of missing a title here and there or waiting a few months.

"PC + Playstation is the very best and most sensible combination of games systems..."

Thats your opinion...I have mine as well. SX is where I will do most of my gaming for the controller and ecosystem...my PC will be where I play as a secondary within that same ecosystem. xCloud for when im out of the house (same ecosystem) and Play Anywhere ensures that I buy it ONCE but can play it everywhere I go.

Hopefully this gives you a little more insight.

[KillBill]

Point being that many people already have a PC. And the idea that Xbox plays across all systems with a focus on not having to purchase games separately for each that entices them. That and the sharing of save files from each to the other allows you to continue your play same save from one system to other without issue. It is called compatibility.

@Computersaysno - you are missing the point that the Series X is better than the vast amount of PC gaming systems available at a fraction the cost. Only a very small handful of people own a PC capable of matching the specs of a Series X. The idea of building a great gaming PC and then buying a console system for just exclusives is past days now. People more so are looking now at buying a console system for gaming power and exclusives and keeping their PC for other things as well some exclusive PC titles that haven't came to console yet. (note: even the PS5 sits above the amount of gaming PC systems too... just doesn't sit as high)

[TheKingKratos]

"Godfall, Death Stranding, HZD, now rumors of God of War...SF5 in the past...NiOh...the list goes on."

There is no list to go on
Death Stranding was coming to pc since the reveal and it's not made by 1st party same as Godfall and Nioh was never exclusive and also not made by 1st party and Sony exclusives will not come to pc like Horizon that was a one time thing confirmed by Sony (which is trnd to trust more than xbox fanboys)...God of war rumor was BS and even the site that began that rumor admit they were wrong
You are reaching alot to justfy why Xbox is not a complete worthless when there is a much better combo with Pc+Ps5

Keep on waiting though

[outsider1624]

I'm going with the ps5 ofcourse. The problem for me anyway is i dont see the point in buying an X for. I mean yeah it's powerful and all but i dont really care about that.
Only games i like on the box is Ori and Halo(for its lore).

[RazzerRedux]

@KillBill

"you are missing the point that the Series X is better than the vast amount of PC gaming systems available at a fraction the cost."

lol....nonsense. The majority of PC gaming systems can be upgraded to match XSX for around $600....about the price you are going to probably pay for XSX. But you are not alone in this console mentality that you have to buy or build an entirely new PC along with a new console gen. lol. And as timotim pointed out, your PC has uses way beyond gaming. So if you are going to talk about cost then you should add in the benefits as well.

"The idea of building a great gaming PC and then buying a console system for just exclusives is past days now. "

Not really and I don't know who you are speaking for. I fully expect to buy a PS5 to play the Sony exclusives I can't get on PC. One day I hope to be able to play all games on PC, from both Sony and Microsoft and everyone else. That is something you will never be able to say with just a single console.

" People more so are looking now at buying a console system for gaming power and exclusives and keeping their PC for other things as well some exclusive PC titles that haven't came to console yet."

lol...."people". PC is a larger business segment of gaming than consoles. Stop pretending you know what "people" are looking to buy consoles and PCs for. You are making this shit up as you go.

[timotim]

@
Kratos

But DS is published by and the IP is owned by Sony...even on PC correct? HZD is the same right? Its not just about first party though...its that games that might be PS exclusive in terms of consoles will more than likely make it to PC too where my Surface Studio will be able to play them at a level much better than a PS4 Pro would. Again, I'm not just talking about native play, but also PS Now as well. I'm expecting PS Now to get MUCH better once next gen hits. I have no problems paying for PS Now the few times a year that Sony makes a game I'm interested in playing to me thats better than buying a console for $400-500 that will only be used for exclusives sporadically throughout the year. And you're lying...HZD was NOT confirmed to be a one time thing...in fact Sony said they will have a lot of "experimentation."

"“I think it’s important that we stay open to new ideas of how to introduce more people to PlayStation, and show people maybe what they’ve been missing out on,” Hulst said in the interview. “In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance.”

[TheKingKratos]

@Timo

I will repeat the same fucking thing Death Stranding was announced coming to both pc and ps4 and it's not made by first party

In fact i can't think of any 1st party Sony game on pc other than Horizon and no you are the one lying ..Sony said that won't happen to the rest ...saying they are looking for ways to bring more people to playstation is not the them saying that they will release everything on pc... i mean they even state that but what do i expect from you... here it is again from Sony:

""And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn’t necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC. In my mind, Horizon Zero Dawn was just a great fit in this particular instance. We don’t have plans for day and date [PC releases], and we remain 100% committed to dedicated hardware.""

You are free to spin it as much as you like to sleep better
and try your best to make Xbox not look like a complete worthless system.... keep on waiting though

[Edgelordsupreme]

The Sony obsessed are certainly weird, but I'm beginning to think you might be even weirder. Do you fanboys get medals? Parades in your honour? I cant for the life of me understand what broke in your brains that you're this willing to go to bat for a company, it's so unbelievably sad that I'm just beginning to pity you people.

What did you even add to the conversation? How is any of this pertinent? I dont care what you're planning on buying and neither does anyone else. Get a new hobby, this one clearly isn't working out for you.

[timotim]

I mean...I didn't put up this comparitive article...N4G did. Clearly they feel this is worth talking about since they've allowed it. We all come here to talk tech and videogames...when I go outside that border - by all means - call me on it...but don't get upset at me that I stick to a topic. Saying what platforms ill be investing into next gen was inspired by this very comparison.

[rainslacker]

People can buy what they want, but realistically, if one wants to drop $500 on a console(assumed price), then spending that on a GPU for a PC they apparently already have would actually make more sense. Almost all multiplat games will be on PC. All MS games will be on PC. Even some Sony games may be on PC. Realistically, you can get all the same services on PC, although Game Pass isn't completely equal between the two platforms. Plus, online is free. You'll get cross play with Xbox, maybe even some PS games. Performance of a $500 GPU on a system that isn't too old will be about even with Xbox, or wait a bit, and get an even better GPU.

No honor. No promotion of Sony here. Just rational thinking, and I don't see what's so wrong with pointing that out. I agree going overboard saying one should buy the PS if they have a PC is maybe callous, but the basic point still stands.

I brought an OGX1 a few months before Quantum Break. I spent $350 on it. That $350 could have been spent on a GPU for my 11 year old computer, which has some dated hardware with the bus and memory, but the $350 GPU would have been close to what the X1X offers. It's logical to look at it like that, but when I brought my X1, I didn't know MS was going to start releasing all their games on PC, and that was really the only reason I brought the console to begin with.

[timotim]

@Rain

First off, nice sublim.

Secondly, lots of people game on their laptops and all in ones where simply upgrading the GPU is not as easy. I can't at all for my Surface Studio as an example, Id have to replace the whole PC. Your logic also leaves out the fact the GPU is the only deficiency of ones PC vs next gen consoles...the SX also has better sound, better CPU and faster SSD. I mean...just to get a 12TF GPU that can compete with next gen consoles, you'll have to spend about $800+ on the GPU alone. Your "rational thinking" is an option...but it is in no way the only option.

[rainslacker]

@tim

If a person plays on laptop, then they arent the kinds of pc users I'm talking about. I'm talking about people that have a desktop, with some sort of I series processor. My computer is pretty old, anout 12 years now, but I did upgrade the memory and hard drives over the years, and its sufficient for gaming if I upgrade the gpu.

@echo

A 12tf gpu costs more now, but as far as I know, the XSX isnt out now either. As these systems go into production, and pc demand increases, so will the number of cards made, which will drive the price down barring another resurgence in something like cryptocurrency. I'd imagine by the end of next year, 12tf will be on the upper spectrum of the mid range cards.

It's a matter of degrees, and how long the power advantage is relevant to consoles at launch, but I think there are plenty of reasons why sticking with a pc you already may have is a logical choice.

If one doesnt have a pc now, it may not be as practical, as all those parts will cost more.

As far as the CPU itself, for the most part, you dont need a current gen cpu for games. A launch i5 is sufficient if its clock speed is there. Maybe not some mobile versions of the i3 but it should be fine. Bottlenecks will exist, but these games are still designed on what can run on consoles, which have weak CPUs, and next gen isnt going to change that in comparison to i5's.

[timotim]

@Rain

"f a person plays on laptop, then they arent the kinds of pc users I'm talking about. I'm talking about people that have a desktop, with some sort of I series processor."

But thats just it...your logic only speaks to a subset of all that game on PC while what I'm talking about speaks to PC gaming in general. MILLIONS of people game on laptops...Laptops outnumber desktops by a HUGE margin...it would be cheaper for these people to simply pay $500 to upgrade to an SX to get vastly superior performance and visuals. Not everyone can simply upgrade a GPU. And again, it would cost $800+ just to get a GPU that is 12TFs like the one found in the SX. Again, your "rational thinking" only works for the minority that already has a somewhat capable PC, not for the majority who's PC comes no where near next gen consoles.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

We get it, you buy everything Microsoft, thanks for the reminder/s.

[timotim]

It is what it is. I like there products. They treat me good. We all have out own preferences. My brother buys all Sony products...TV, headphones, PS, phone...all Sony. Others out there buy all Apple products...I never get upset at what others spend there own money on.

My post wasn't a reminder btw, but I did have to explain my logic and give insight so that people would understand.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Nobody Is excusing you of having a problem with what others buy, but your constant virtue signaling of being Microsofts good little boy is a bit obnoxious and blatant stealth trolling. And that goes for fanboys of bothsides.

[timotim]

I mean...Im not a robot...im a real person. I can only give my experience when I discuss these things, but I fully understand that everyone also has there own experience. How many people on this site openly talk about having a PS4? Does it bother me, not in the slightest. How many people talk about Sony AAA exclusives...does it bother me...not at all. Its there experience. I don't accuse them of being Sony's good little boy however. Again, if I go outside the boundaries of tech and videogames, then come at me...but to me it just sounds like you're upset that my experience isn't what yours is...

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"How many people on this site openly talk about having a PS4? " So is your constant advertising of MS products just a response to that? Doesnt sound very genuine to me. I found the shilling annoying on all fronts but their is a few that just go above and beyond like yourself. You can do what you want but constantly advertising MS products just comes off as insecure nonsense.

[PS4Gamer1984]

Xbox one X clear winner, no surprise here. Can't wait for the Series X

[XxINFERNUSxX]

PC > Everything else, always will be :D (Given if you have the hardware)
60fps @ 1080p is just not good at all. I have FPS from 170s to all the way up until 235fps on my 240hz gsync panel.
I can't play any shooter with dips below 100fps and that's with everything maxed.

[Harryvok]

Exactly why i own a OneX and PS4 Pro now and why i'll own a PS5 and Series X.

I get my multiplatform single player games on my OneX as they look and run better than on my PS4 Pro. But I still prefer my PS4 pro overall as their exclusives blow Xbox exclusives out of the water in my opinion. And their exclusives seem to take advantage of the hardware exceptionally well (such as Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War).

I'm excited to get both new consoles (assuming i have income then....)

[Adirzzz]

Game looks amazing! I’m a big fan of Quake as well and I wish we’ll get new Quake game with same graphics!

[talocaca]

For people who say "this is why the Series X will dominate the PS5".....is the One X selling more than the Pro? Or the vanilla PS4 (and even the Switch?).

Most people can't even tell the difference in graphics 🤭

[chiefJohn117]

It's selling more than the pro yes. And you can tell the difference

[Dragonscale]

With no sales figures thats fud and you know it.

[RazzerRedux]

"It's selling more than the pro yes."

Oh really? Then why does GameStop offer more money for trade-in of PS4 Pro:

https://www.gamestop.com/tr...

Than Xbox One X:

https://www.gamestop.com/tr...

This has been the case for quite some time. The item in higher demand gets more money in trade. FYI

[AmUnRa]

Yeah keep believing that.....in reality it is just the oposite😉

[chiefJohn117]

https://www.express.co.uk/e...

Now where's y'all s? Actual reports (although old) vs nothing from you

@Razzer idk maybe cause it on sale cheaper than PS4 pro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Atomicjuicer]

What about how it runs from one x and pro on a 1080p screen? Does it do supersampling? Higher IQ?

[toddybad]

I mean xb probably is the best technically but tbh I can't really tell the difference.