PlayStation 5 To Feature 11 TFLOPS GPU With 52 CUs, Clocked At 1743MHz - Rumor

A verified game developer recentrly posted a riddle on the NeoGAF forums regarding the PlayStation 5 specs, and some users think they have solved it

[Knushwood Butt]

I don't even know how many TFLOPS my current console has.

Just confirm the games and key system features.

[Muzikguy]

I'm ready to hear more whenever we do!

[darthv72]

So who do you think will be the bigger 'FLOP'... PS5 or XSX?

[TakashiKomuro]

11 TFLOPS means ~2.5x the Pro and ~5x the Base PS4

That's all.

Then you have:
-SSD for little to no loading times
-Custom 3D audio chip
-Patent for wireless controller charging
-Ryzen CPU for smarter AI, smoother gameplay(less stuttering), faster OS, etc.

[RpgSama]

@takashiKomuro

There's mucho More to the number than that, for both XsX and PS5, RDNA 2 tech performance is not the same to GCN (Jaguar), so it's not a straight comparison number to number, 12 TFLOPS of RDNA2 for the XsX is MUCH more than 2 times the 6 TFLOPS of the X1X.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

darth72 - I think we all know, even if they don't want to believe it - they know.

[TakashiKomuro]

RPGsama, true, RDNA would have additional improvements.

[Muzikguy]

@darth

I'd rather not say. It will be apparent soon enough. The games are what I care about

[kryteris]

-PSVR finally looking good and running proper.
-bio feedback on controller triggers, could be a big deal particularly with survival or horror games.
*I'd be fine with a 1 tf difference, no headache there unlike the xbone.

[TheKingKratos]

Darth

Who cares ?! Honest, as long as there is developers who push the system to it full power and do it right, that's all what matters

And Sony have those kind of developers who make our eyes melt like SSM,ND,Sucker punch,GG etc etc

[Tapani]

@TakashiKomuro

11 TFLOPS means roughly 6x the base PS4, and 2.6x the power of PS4 Pro. Your numbers were a bit off. But the bigger thing here is that we are comparing GCN to RDNA2.0, which would mean PS5 is around 8x-9x the base PS4 and 3.5x-4x the PS4 Pro power. Plus 4.0 gen SSD and new CPU. So it's going to be a real leap forward.

[Christopher]

n00b. Somebody needs to kick up their tech superiority game.

[slavish0]

U r lying 😂

[GTgamer]

That's not hard to believe tbh not one of my friends know how many TF's are in their console they just know it's stronger than the previous console before it 😂😂😂 hell I dare you to go play any online game and ask random gainers the TF's of their console and I can predict 95% won't know tbh.

[boing1]

You have no idea how many people doesn't care about this kind of information. It's all about brand and games for them.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Well my future one has 12.

[RazzerRedux]

^^Compensating^^

(sorry....had to)

[Minute Man 721]

@Knush

Base systems under 2TF
Pro 4.2 TF
X1X 6TF

[GTgamer]

Dear sony
Please announce the PS5 already you got fans out here trying to figure out riddles 😂😂😂
28514;

[MrSec84]

XB1 has 1.31TFlops, S has 1.4, PS4 has 1.84, PS4 Pro has 4.2 and XB1-X has 6TFlops.

You also have to bare in mind that the type of GPU architecture is a factor to understand as well.
The architecture in Pro and X is more efficient than what's in the other consoles this gen.

PS5 and Series X are both using RDNA 2.0 technology, with Ray Tracing hardware, which means they will be even more capable than the straight TFlops tell you compared PS4 Pro and X.

[ziggurcat]

And if it happens to be a difference of 0.4 - 0.5 between the two, then the XSX having more TFs argument is pretty much moot.

[FPS_D3TH]

@ziggurcat especially since it’ll come down to games at that point.

[chiefJohn117]

That was the difference between PS4 and the ogXO and ppl made a huge deal of it remember? So I doubt it'll be moot lol

[RazzerRedux]

@chiefJohn117

"That was the difference between PS4 and the ogXO and ppl made a huge deal of it remember? So I doubt it'll be moot lol"

There is a 38% difference in power between the og XO (1.31) and PS4 (1.81).

There is a 42% difference in power between the PS4 Pro (4.2) and XOX (6) .

There is only a 3.5% difference in power between 11.6 TF and 12 TF.

It is moot.

[CoinOrc]

@chiefjohn
What Razzer said. Not to mention people made a big deal about the power difference because the PS4 was more powerful AND cheaper than the Xbox one because MS was stupid enough to force a stupid camera that nobody cared about.

[Kumakai]

Xbox one: 1.36
Xbox one S: 1.42
Ps4: 1.82
Ps4 pro: 4.2
Xbox One X: 6
Xbox series X: 12

[neutralgamer1992]

Both ps5 and XOX will be similar in raw power and features. It will come down to games and how developers especially the first party developers choose to use that power

Price will be the key factor between the 2 and Sony wants to come to the market with a lower price point

[IRetrouk]

That was an entertaining read on gaf, dudes having fun with it, not so sure hes a legit insider but I'm also not so sure hes not🤷‍♂️🤣

[Christopher]

He's a legit developer, we just aren't sure which member of the studio he is. But, we know his online handle and we can determine credibility via that name.

[IRetrouk]

Im aware hes a dev, but hes also admitted to no first hand experience, his dev company dont have dev kits(according to odium himself). Should have worded myself better, he keeps claiming not to be an insider, all his info is coming from a second unnamed source, so not really sure about him that's all, I like how hes kept the wait for info on the ps5 entertaining though with his riddles and stuff.

[SierraGuy]

What's he basing his numbers off?

His months old Dev kit?

That's awesome.

[Christopher]

***Im aware hes a dev, but hes also admitted to no first hand experience, his dev company dont have dev kits(according to odium himself).***

He's still in the know due to his position, though like all rumors I would really treat this with a grain of salt. Named source who is confirmed a developer or not, nothing really matters until we see the official specifications from Sony. That's my personal opinion. Our guidelines on rumors is more tailored to the general desire of the users here, though. And, this being from a developer who is tied to an account we can identify, makes it more credible than most rumors we see on the site here.

[IRetrouk]

@Sierra, No, he doesnt have access to any ps5 dev kit, he says hes getting his numbers from a dev friend, says it can go between 11.60tf to 12. Odd depending on clocks and heat etc, while obviously we dont know if hes telling the truth or not, or even what version of the dev kit hes been told about, he seems to be a calm and rational person who's having a bit of fun with some info he might or might not know🤷‍♂️
I dont know if hes telling the truth, but his codes and riddles have been a fun distraction from the next gen wait, I look forward to seeing how close or off he is after the reveal.

@ chris, I wasnt complaining about the rumor or article or anything like that, I was just giving my opinion on his comments and how I felt towards him and just informing anyone that might not be up to speed on his rumor and where he got it from, I like the dude, been very entertained.

[Christopher]

***No, he doesnt have access to any ps5 dev kit***

But he has access to the information. That's what insiders have, access to information.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Christopher - That sounds like a Chinese whisper, they never end the way they started.

[Christopher]

***Christopher - That sounds like a Chinese whisper, they never end the way they started.***

I hope you apply this logic to all rumors because that's how they all work. Otherwise, it would be "official."

Personally, people here tend to flip-flop a ton on who they hold stock in as far as rumors go, and it's not just "one side." Personally, I'm just waiting for official information. I don't care what people say other than the product manufacturer.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

If True then Sony's not playin around. 11 TFlops is massive. At the end of the day I still wanna hear from Sony. But I hope this is true though. This sounds way more credible than 4 chans "leak". That's right 4chan tried pulling off something 3 or 4 days ago but only a few sites picked it up while the rest ignored them for very good reason.

[IRetrouk]

I'm not sure if his info is up to date or not, or if it's true or not but I have enjoyed his posts, hes seems reasonable to me and his info doesnt really sound so far fetched as the 9 or 13 rumors, but like all rumors I'm taking it with some salt, i dont tend to put much wait behind insiders, just enjoying the speculation to be honest, helping the wait atleast lol.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Speaking of 4chan just today they're starting up yet another "rumor" this time they're saying 15.1TF I kid you not. 4chan is self aware and know that they're clowns at this point its satire. Let me break this down. So according to 4chan PS5 TF is 1 T Flop more than the strongest rig that got announced about a week ago which will easily be over 1200$. Cerny and other PC enthusiast have stated you need at least 9 to 10TF to create next gen worlds. high frames res, worlds etc. 15, 13 is beyond over kill and it just makes no technical sense even 12 is slightly pushing it. 13 or 15 TF will easily put the PS5 600$ and above, 7 to maybe even 8. That's if Sony over clocks everything. The series X is already beat by the newest rig, its said to be 3x faster than series X. Yeah nobody will spend 600+ on consoles.

Anyway's 4chans bored and this nonsense needs to stop, Sony needs to speak up soon. 9 or 10 TF is literally enough but I just wanna see all this in action.

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't say 13 is overkill, but it is excessive, and expensive, for a console. If we were to wait a year, then the 13TF of next year would be more like the price of the 11-12 TF now. Not much gain in 1 extra TF, but a rather hefty price difference.

What 13TF would net the consoles is more lifespan against the PC. It would also help push PC minimum requirements for games higher....as that is often still based on multi-plat ports of major games, which leaves the minimum requirement low because people don't need to upgrade as often.

However, an interesting side effect of this is would AMD be willing to give the consoles a lower price on higher end GPU's to push PC GPU sales if they are hoping to get the minimum requirements up faster. There's quite a big difference between the min requirements for PC now, and the higher end GPU's available. There's a limit on how many high end GPU's can be sold on a PC. The crypto currency thing affecting GPU price was kind of a fad, although there are remnants of it. But, with new GPU architecture, the interest to push past GCN is going to be pretty high for the GPU makers, and the longer people stay on the old hardware, the slower the next couple of gens of GPU's are to get adopted.

[andy85]

People will spend 600 on consoles though. 14 years before the PS5 the 60GB PS3 was 599. That's close to 800 in today's money. People are out there buy $1000-1500 phones today. Back then that certainly didn't happen.

[TakashiKomuro]

Andy, only 10% of the population buys $1000 phones and the PS3 had a rough start.

Yeah, people will buy an $800 console, but not many. $499 seems like mainstream appeal.

[rainslacker]

He's verified by the Gaf mods as someone who works in the industry. They're known to be reputable to verify such people, and he's a direct source unlike many rumors.

This was an interesting riddle. Wish I had seen it before it popped up here, because I love brain teasers.

I'm curious if this is an acceptable way to get around NDA's.

A dev doesn't have to have a dev kit to be a licensed PS dev and have access to the info. Chances are he may also have other contacts that gave him the info. While it's not technically ethical to have that happen, it does happen in dev inner circles. He also wouldn't be bound by NDA's if he's not a licensed Sony dev, although it's not really ethical to release such info, or even tease at it, as it could get their actual source in trouble.

Wouldn't take this as gospel, but it's a bit of fun at least.

[Atom666]

He came out and said that he's relying on information from unnamed "friends" of his.

It's no different than a known journalist relying on his/her unnamed sources. This whole thing is laughable at this point.

Either allow rumors or don't.

[isarai]

Rumors, rumors, rumors. Show me the games brah! I WANNA SEE DEM GAMS DAWG!!!

[CoNn3rB]

Calm down friend, gams will come to those who wait.

[morganfell]

It is a rumor. I remember the PS4 rumor a great many people bought into - the PS4 would have 4GB of RAM. It doesn't do to pay attention to any rumor regarding specs. Even after confirmation it really comes down to the titles for that particular console. Power without application is meaningless.

[DarXyde]

morganfell! You're alive! :D

[morganfell]

Much to the chagrin of some I am sure :)

[babadivad]

It was going to have 4GB. Samsung finalized 1 GB chips at the last minute and they upgraded the 512 MB chips to 1 GB.

Not a huge thing to change.

[morganfell]

It wasn't exactly last minute: https://www.pushsquare.com/...

"Gilray added that he suspects only “a couple of really close first-parties" knew about the increase in memory prior to the system’s announcement..."

https://www.dualshockers.co...

This increase happened during the development of Knack. Not when it was almost done. That isn't last minute.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Godfall's gonna get shown off in the near future. Hopefully that looks good.

[sprinterboy]

Looks promising, destiny with a mix of souls

[mcstorm]

Tbh your right so far I'm not excited for the next gen. This one has been a let down and I'm expecting more from Microsoft and Sony this gen.

So far for me I've moved back to pc gaming and not been a pc gamer since the late 90s. I just don't see anything to get me excited yet. OK powerful Consoles but that's not what makes a console. I want to see more ips from both this new gen last gen both played to safe imo. 360 and ps3 gen was far more exciting.

[ziggurcat]

The only thing that I can't see is where they're getting 11TF and 1743MHz from.

[MasterCornholio]

I guess from the 52CUs. But from what I'm reading 52CUs can give you anywhere from 11TF to 12TF depending on the clock speed.

[Eonjay]

It's Tru. If you bump it up a mere 53 MHz you get 12 TF. So it is nearly the same as Xbox. Something tells me this was on purpose. They were always gonna be almost identical.

[Muzikguy]

The CU's and other things don't count?

[ziggurcat]

I get where they're getting the CU number from, but I don't know where they're getting the math for 11TF or 1743MHz, that's all. I like the prospect of the PS5 being at least 11TF, and I have a feeling it might be more.

[ziggurcat]

@shaggy

Yeah... that's one hell of a reach on the 1743 if that's what someone came up with to determine that number.

[Wasabi]

@Zigguracat

**"The only thing that I can't see is where they're getting 11TF and 1743MHz from"**

WCCFTECH have actually made an error in the math, it should actually be 11.6TF not 11.06 as mentioned in the article.

To work it out,

Multiply the number of compute units (52) by the number of Shader Cores per CU (128) x GPU Clock Speed (1743MHz)

= 11,601.... Which is 11.6TF's

Edit:

Just realised you are asking about how the information has been decoded from the message and not necessarily the calculations for the GPU, to that one I have absolutely zero clue other than the rhyme aspect of the original message as referenced in the article.

[RazzerRedux]

https://i.imgur.com/4KKD7uC...

So the address in the original post is 1600 Madison Ave. The dev later replied:

"The pigeon is merely flying at an altitude lower than he usually flies due to bad weather, and as such, will raise by at least a good 100-150 feet by the time everything clears up. Just so you know."

To which another poster replied:

"OK, 1600 + 150 = 1750 MHz.

There was 52 Coos there, so 1750 X 52 X 64 X 2 = 11.6 TFLOPPIES!!!

16-512 = 16 GB GDDR6 at 512 GB/s bandwidth!"

Yeah....who knows? \_(ʘ_ʘ)_/

[Wasabi]

@Razzer

**"16-512 = 16 GB GDDR6 at 512 GB/s bandwidth!"**

...Or 16 GB Mem with a 512 GB sized SSD.

[ziggurcat]

@Razzer

I figured the 1600 as well as the 16-512 were also references to specs, but I did not see any reply from that dev regarding the reference to flying lower due to bad weather. The 16 in the 16-512 automatically stuck out to mean 16GB of RAM to me. I think the common conclusion is that the 512 = 512GB/s bandwidth, but I can totally see it as 512GB HDD as Wasabi mentioned.

@Wasabi

How do they know there's 128 shader cores? Is that just based on known HW that's already out there or is there something in this riddle that points to 128?

Here's hoping Sony comes out with official numbers soon - if there's any truth to this, then it certainly debunks the previous 9.2TF rumours that were so adamantly perpetuated. I recall Sony posting some coy Tweet to the effect that you shouldn't believe what you read right around the time those rumours were circulating (I'll try to find that Tweet). And the lower specs championed by misterxmedia followers were completely laughable (as are the ones claiming 13+TF).

This, at least, seems actually plausible since it's coming from a dev, and not some guy saying he heard from some other guy who heard from a different guy, etc...

[Wasabi]

@Ziggurcat

**"How do they know there's 128 shader cores? Is that just based on known HW that's already out there"**

It's actually 64 x 2 on each of the traditional CU's. Yes, based on what is already known about the architecture.

**"I recall Sony posting some coy Tweet to the effect that you shouldn't believe what you read right around the time those rumours were circulating (I'll try to find that Tweet)"**

That Tweet was misconstrued. The one you are referring to was on the run up to Christmas where each day Sony would run a quote from a PlayStation game. On one of the days around the time of the Github leak Fragile was quoted from Death Stranding "Everything is true, except for the lies". People put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.

The quote was actually posted prior to the Github leak making the news.

**"This, at least, seems actually plausible since it's coming from a dev, and not some guy saying he heard from some other guy who heard from a different guy, etc..."**

Nah, it's pretty much the same thing buddy, he's got the info second hand.

Here's a quote from the man himself

"You know, a month or so ago I was just guessing, that’s true. But that’s when I started talking to friends who knew"

Link

https://www.neogaf.com/thre...

[DerfDerf]

9.2 TF. We will hear more soon. Will still be a great system. Just look what they accomplished with 1.8

[rainslacker]

It honestly sounds like those numbers conspiracy things I used to come up with in college during those quiet nights with one other person tripping on various mind altering substances.

Yeah, sure, we'd write it down, then when looked at the next day, we'd ask ourselves, "What the hell does this say?"

Given all the talk of pigeons, and coo'ing, are we sure this dev didn't just post this in some altered state?

Disclaimer: yes, this comment is tongue in cheek. I actually find this kind of interesting.:) And yes, those night sessions were a thing for me because math majors have obsessive need to make numbers mean something.

[MasterCornholio]

On Gaf with 52 CUs they have a range of 11-13.3 teraflops depending on the clock speed of the GPU. What some are saying is that it might be around 11.6 TF in the end since the clock speed seems logical for the CU count.

[MasterCornholio]

So basically 52>36.

Or 11-12.5 TFs > 7-8 TFs

That's alot better than what the GitHub rumor was saying.

Anyways I hope it's true especially with RDNA2.

[RazzerRedux]

Well, Jason Schreier said the power difference between PS5 and XSX would be negligible. This seems to back that assertion up.

[MasterCornholio]

It could be that this insider is just talking crap and is constructing his rumor based off what other people have said.

But we actually have his identity so I don't believe he would jeopardize his reputation that way. Always take this with a grain of salt because he claims it isn't 1st hand information.

[RazzerRedux]

"It could be that this insider is just talking crap and is constructing his rumor based off what other people have said."

Later he actually says his source are "friends who know".

"Don’t keep posting bullshit. I mean I’ve already said, multiple times, that I’m not breaking any NDAs or anything. You know, a month or so ago I was just guessing, that’s true. But that’s when I started talking to friends who knew. Funny how that shit works huh? Fatal Enigma Fatal Enigma keeps calling me out here and on twitter but still, here we are. The amazing thing is, he doesn’t realise I’m an Xbox fanboy as well, so he’s sort of shooting himself in the dick there.

But this is what I’m currently dealing with. A few threats, a death/sexual threat against my daughter, some twitter people who lack the ability to read, and some forum goers who don’t really want to accept that BOX A = BOX B."

https://www.neogaf.com/thre...

[rainslacker]

Some people really do seem to take any rumor that goes against their belief, or hope, to be worth getting worked up over. To me, they're all rumors. At best, they're good for discussing the implication, not to be used to condemn a company or person. Even at the start of this gen, when the rumors of MS doing an always online console were circulating, Sony fans were having a field day, and I was just sitting there saying, "MS couldn't be that stupid to try something like that". Adam Orth added fuel to that fire, but I just looked at it as two people having a philosophical discussion about the matter, which I assumed came about due to the rumors that were circulating.

I was wrong of course, but at least I wasn't wrong to try and think it through rationally about how stupid it would be for MS to do such a thing.

I take these rumors much the same way. There are so many of them, how can one possibly take one as gospel, and why would people set themselves up to more likely be wrong? I know what Sony has told devs to target, and I will still discuss these rumors as if I don't, because I like the philosophical discussion. But, at the same time, trying to have that discussion just devolves into a lot of attacks, and people not caring about any of the interesting info on it. They only care about what they can use for arguing over who has the best console.

[Thundercat77]

What's next? Fortune tellers?

[Kaedro]

Considering Sony's frustrating silence, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Christopher]

"Ah, you've drawn the Knight card upside down, that means you load times will not just be cut in half, but into even smaller amounts, though we cannot tell how much smaller it may be."

[Kaedro]

Careful, Gamingbolt might make an article about your prediction XD

[rainslacker]

Let me call my psychic and I'll get back to you.

[RaidenBlack]

Now with all this Teraflop Cold War that's being waging around, I am beginning to respect Nintendo for not focusing on raw computational power but on pure games and services ...

[averagejoe26]

Services? Like their terrible online infrastructure? lmao what "services"..?

[crazyCoconuts]

RMA service for joypad returns 😊

[crazyCoconuts]

They don't have real competition in the handheld market so they don't have to. Sony & MS are driving each other down this TFLOPS path in order to maintain/eliminate competitive advantage...

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Raiden - It's what's needed unfortunately, if not the tech would just stay stagnant. We need this little back and forth - as tiresome as it is.

[timotim]

I thought N4G doesn't post rumors that are unfounded?

Its sad Sony leaving its fanbase to speculate on rumors from others.

[RazzerRedux]

N4G doesn't allow rumors from anonymous sources.

"Its sad Sony leaving its fanbase to speculate on rumors from others."

How much is Xbox Series X? MS shouldn't leave us to speculate like they are. "Transparency"

[CBaoth]

so concerned about us, eh? Very white knight-ish of you. Thanks! Keep on keeping on!!

[MasterCornholio]

Apparently it's not from an anonymous source which is why it's allowed here.

[ziggurcat]

It's not an anonymous source.

[GTgamer]

Lmaoooo everyone speculates on rumors whether it's games or consoles at some point smh 🙄

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

For me as a Sony fan I don't mind, they've never let me downing Hardware or Software.

Even when having the weaker hardware they've still managed to deliver games their competitors could only dream of.

[rainslacker]

"Its sad Sony leaving its fanbase to speculate on rumors from others."

Can't this be said or every rumor that's ever existed that is a ways out from being announced? I mean, we've been hearing these rumors for over a year, and it's only been a couple weeks since MS made their announcement. No one was hounding them to release numbers, or saying how it was sad their fans had to figure it out on their own. It even seemed the xbox fan base was pretty content assuming it would be 12TF, and that Sony would be 9TF. So, if you were content with that a couple weeks ago, aren't you content that Sony's may be 9, or maybe 11+ TF like this rumor suggests?

We don't have to speculate on numbers. We choose to. When the time comes, like every company does, they'll report those numbers, and then we can move onto the real discussion about who is better than who based on facts that are only slightly less tenuous than the BS we base it off of now.

[CaptainHenry916]

If true this console will definitely be a little cheaper than the Xbox Series X

[MajorLazer]

MS won't make that same mistake again

[CaptainHenry916]

The Series X already sounds expensive

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

They already have - burst out of the gate and now nothing, no news, no game play, no screenshots.

Zilch, zip, nada.

Now their big event has been cancelled and they've been forced to do stream - hardly going to have the same impact is it.

[MasterCornholio]

Maybe but there could be other components that can increase the price. There's suspicions that Sonys SSD is very expensive.

[Eonjay]

Not really. They are identical. The have the same amount of CUs. There is a 53 MHz clock difference between them. That's not even worth mentioning. The PS4 is still the most expensive from what we know due to the new SSD.

[OpenGL]

If this is true and the Series X is 12TFLOPs the difference will largely be a wash in multiplatform games.

[DarkZane]

There won't be any difference. The difference between 12TF and 11TF is very negligible and multiplatform games won't see any difference.

Maybe if it was 2TF vs 1TF, you'd see a difference because one would be twice as powerful as the other, but a 1TF difference when both consoles are above 10TF is so little, it might as well be 0.

Also, from this rumor, it seems the PS5 has a little extra power they can tap to and increase it to 13TF if needed.

Also, even though he is a verified dev, it's just an indie dev, not a AAA one. Not credible enough since he probably only has access to an old dev kit and not the final unit.

[Spenok]

He doesn't even have access to a dev kit, via his own words.

[CrimsonWing69]

I’m getting tired of these rumors

[moriarty1889]

seriously??? so translating coos is the way to confirm specs now??? give me a break! reaching a bit arent we? When Sony officially comes out and confirms numbers then we will know. til then this cryptic wannabe crap doesnt mean shit.

[rainslacker]

I was doing some math to see if there was some binary rhytem to the C's and O's. I couldn't come up with any pattern that was intelligible. Some of the people that made guesses had some good ideas about what it was, but unless there is a clue to the solution within the "riddle", there isn't much to work off of.

[Father__Merrin]

Gong for a 9TF would be better imo. Price is king

[Chris12]

Utter bullshit. Do you want next gen or not?

[CaptainHenry916]

I want good exclusives

[Chris12]

Funny how 2 of N4G's biggest Sony fanboys now think 9tf is perfect. You can have power and exclusives, they are not mutually exclusive. Amazing how much defence has already started.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Father - These consoles have to last another 4 - 6 yrs, some people can't afford mid-gen upgrade - if we get one.

[Father__Merrin]

then they will have to release 2 tiers then or stick to one to last 5 or so years.

[sin7279]

Another rumor lol!

[hollabox]

Gawd the PS5 rumor mill is all over the place. I've heard 9,9.2,9.6,13,10.6,9.7, and now 11. 36 CUs at 2000 MHZ, 40 CUs at 2000 MHZ, and now 52 CUs at 1743 MHZ. With that said the only thing consistent I've heard has been the PS5 DEV kits were faster than XSX. I'm guessing at the CPU as I've seen from mulptple sources claiming the XSX CPU is only 1600 MHZ or 1.6 GHZ with the same performance as Ryzen 1600.

[hollabox]

With that said, I really do hope both consoles are decently close. I usually buy both and like every generation I stop buying games on my PC for a few years. To build a PC system that's better look to spend three to 4 times as much. $1200 2080 TI, $300 for AMD 3700X or save $130 and get the 2700 none x along with $160 1 TB samsung 970 EVO, Thermaltake 700 watt PSU Bronze for $70, $50 case, $100 Pioneer 4K drive,$100 for 16 GBs of DDR 3600 ram, and $150 for a decent X470 Asus motherboard. This build alone we're talking about $2000-2130 before tax. This build might have higher raw performance, but five years for now it will probably struggle playing XSX and PS5 optimize games at the same settings. I doubt the 7770 and 7850 can handle some of the recent XB1 and PS4 games at the same settings and resolutions.

[TheGamez100]

Hmm would prefer if it matched the XSX but oh well, 11 tf is great. Definitely better than the 9 tf rumor.

[ocelot07]

But not as good as the 12 or the 12.6 or the 13 tf rumours lol. All rumours for now.

[MrSec84]

The developer giving the riddles has also hinted that 11.6TFlops isn't final, that the actual GPU can clock fast enough to hit 15TFlops, but will likely end up somewhere around 100 to 150MHz faster than the current 1743MHz speed.

This means it's likely going to finish up at 12.6TFlops using RDNA 2.0.

[kingPoS]

My assumption, based on the ongoing rumors, is that the PS5 will operate on a variable clock rate. Sort of how pc users can overclock to a certain extent. It makes sense if you look at Sony's claims of the PS5 having BC and a robust cooling system.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[rainslacker]

I don't see much need to vary the clock frequency for PS4 BC. It would make sense for PS3 emulation, since the biggest issue there would be the high clock speed of the CELL. It could process individual units of data faster than the current, or next gen consoles could. Current and next gen can do more at one time, just not as fast when data is broken into it's individual parts. PS3 was highly depending on timing of data calls, so I think it would make emulated BC tricky, and the next gen processors can't clock as high as the PS3 was. Maybe there are ways around that though, and it's why I found the rumor about the clock speed being 3+GHZ interesting, because it was almost exactly the same as what PS3 was clocked at.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So now we are back to rumors are OK to post?

[RazzerRedux]

Rumors have always been ok to post as long as the source was not anonymous.

: Rumor Submissions
Looking to maintain a balance between allowing rumor news and to prevent the typical rampant spread of false rumors, N4G has the following rules regarding rumors:

a) rumors are not allowed from anonymous sources unless the rumor is based on a photo or image;

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c) video or image-based rumors that look easily faked are not allowed;

d) speculation is not a rumor and is not allowed, what someone 'thinks' is an opinion and not a statement that something will happen;
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[ziggurcat]

The was never a rule saying rumours are not okay. The rule was regarding the anonymity of the source of those rumours.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Sure thing but per this rumor the source of this rumor has already stated: 1) he is not an insider with 1st hand knowledge 2) he heard this info from an unnamed friend.

Anyway it doesn't really matter... the rumor is posted. We can all now agree PS5 is 11 Teraflops. Right?

[ziggurcat]

He's a confirmed dev with access to information of which an "insider" wouldn't be privy. I think that that's largely why this was allowed. It's not information coming from 4chan, reddit, or someone thinking their an industry insider on Twitter.

[ziggurcat]

*they're an industry insider...

[Muzikguy]

Much of what is posted is rumor. Especially now about next gen systems.

@Razzer

What someone thinks isn't allowed? I feel like I read submissions like that daily

[Good-Smurf]

Is this the rumor that broke the site?
I waited all day to see the error message disappear took like 10 hours.

[IRetrouk]

Sometimes clearing your cookies helps.

[fathertime4464]

Don't care. Just wanna see what these consoles can do

[Runechaz]

13.45 TFLOPS for my 2080Ti.....

[Redlife2g]

So is this the "pro" or "regular" ... Wish sony would just release the specs on their own at this point

[Gunstar75]

It wont be 52

[Computersaysno]

If true PS5 will not be significantly slower than Xbox Series X. It'll have slower GPU performance, but by less than 10 percent. The gap would not even be noticeable at such high resolutions as 4K.

Literally one or two minor settings would be knocked down, or a tiny amount of resolution could be sacrificed for the same results. You simply would not even notice playing the same games on a TV sat on your sofa.

[KillBill]

Until Sony says it... the rumors are simply... rumors. With not an inkling of believability to them.

[DerfDerf]

9.2

[waverider]

Rdna2 ps5

[DonDon3000]

I want to try to understand this better: what would be the PC equivalence of the PS5? Because no ther consoles are on the market yet that we can use as comparison, so it's hard to imagine until ps5 comes out. Which Ryzen cpu is most comparable? Which GPU? Will the SSD be the tiny NVME variants (which would keep the system small in size, doesn't overheat, and is faster than even standard SSDs)? Any mention of how the system will keep cool?

[Christopher]

We honestly won't know this until we see games on the system. Same with Series X.

It's really not just what the system has as far as specs but also how it is utilized.

And, these rumors, and even the facts we have from Microsoft to-date, aren't giving us enough info to even truly guess more than the possibility but not the actuality. Remember when Sony was saying 4k for PS4? Yeah, that's possible, if you run an 8-bit equivalent game on it it, but it wasn't the reality.

[DonDon3000]

Fair enough. Thanx.

[FanboySpotter]

Neogaf? 😂 like the rumor that ps5 uses rdna 3? (It's not something I made up. People actually believe it) they need to confirm things asap. Neogaf is going crazy right now.

[ziggurcat]

like the 7 or 8TF with no HW Ray Tracing... or "it's fake RDNA 2" that people actually believe?

[MasterCornholio]

Well even some people are saying that the PS5 uses Flute which would put it at 6.43 Teraflops with no hardware based Ray Tracing. That's the newest thing that Rogame dropped.

[Kumakai]

It was 10, then 12.5 and now 11. All of those were “credible sources” and those same sources also got the series x wrong too.

[MasterCornholio]

Some of those sources said the Xbox Series X would be in the 12TF range.

The newest rumor is that the PS5 uses Flute which is a 6.43 TF GPU with no hardware based raytracing.

[dragonopt1]

Kerny already confirmed hardware Ray Tracing

[MasterCornholio]

@Dragon

I know he did but that's the latest from Rogame.

[SLiSH83]

6.43 is a little over what the one x is at now. There’s no way the ps5 will be that weak.

I say 10 on the low side
12 to match the XSX
14 if they want to go for the power play

[MasterCornholio]

@Slish

If it's a 10TF+ system im definitely expecting around a 499$ price for it. I don't believe Sony would release a 6-7TF system at all. If it's less than 10TF im expecting a 399$ price for it.

[hiawa23]

I expect specs similar to Series X so no surprise.

[Realms]

All you fools that think it's 9.2TP are going to be disappointed. I have been saying this all along devs have hinted at the power difference being inconsequential. Not that will matter the minute games start being show case my money is on Sony coming out on top again on the strength of their very talented in house studios.

[FernDiggidy]

Gotta love that N4G hypocrisy.

[CertifiedGamer]

Whatever you say boomer... okay... boomer

[chiefJohn117]

So we guessing on riddles now? Lol Sony just give us info already

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Whether it's 11Tflops or 12Tflops, both systems will be full fledged 4K systems, especially with the efficiencies consoles bring. This however, wont stop some people from making constant comparisons...

[ArnoDorian]

Power... Schmower. showcase us those games.

[waverider]

Rdna2

[Acecalibur]

Lies

[DafunkyRebel]

Knack 3 will have even more pieces on screen. GOTY right there

[babadivad]

Thought TF didn't matter. . .

[SLiSH83]

Just give me a PS5 Socom game and were good Sony

[Mr_Luke]

"some user think they have solved it"... Ok.

[windblowsagain]

There are rumors all over the place. 13.1tf I Just got told. lol.

But i'm guessing.

3328 shaders @ 1800mhz x 2 = 11.98tf

But until we are told it's guess work.

[King7]

The Xbox series x will be slightly stronger than the ps5 and have slightly better looking third party games but the ps5 will probably have the better looking exclusive games because Sony have the better first party studios .

[WickedLester]

No, they wont be better looking on XSX. A .4 TF difference in RDNA 2 architecture will not yield any perceptible difference in multiplatform games whatsoever. All that difference does is give fanboys of one console something to bust the balls of fanboys of another console.

[GameStallion]

I would like it to have at least the same or better specs than Series X.

[TechnoGoat]

Here we go again.

[RangerWalk267]

If Sony said their build cost was around $450... It won't have that many flippy floppies. Hope so... But I doubt it

[cyclindk]

Get to the flopper!

[AK91]

I hope the previous 9TF one is the true one I don’t want the console to be too powerful.

[DCarnage]

Just a rumor? Cool, let me know when Sony confirms it. If that ever happens before release...

[S2Killinit]

Just want a PS5

[xPaYDaYx]

Can't wait to hack into NASA. I'm guessing that's what these numbers mean?

[anubusgold]

That clock speed needs to be better that should have at least hit 2100 man. Even the old 1000 series gpus will hit 2100 in its sleep and keep up with the 2070 super

[Max_Eckhardt]

My box has more flops than your box!

[Max_Eckhardt]

How many bits is that?

[DOOMZ]

So what your saying is that the PS5 wont be as powerful as the Xbox series X?

[WickedLester]

Dude, 11.6 TF vs 12 TF in RDNA 2 architecture is a complete wash. In absolutely no way will you see a .4TF difference on any multiplat game. They will all look and run identical on both consoles.

[Maisay]

I want to believe.