Sony recognizes the presence of a market "beyond console software sales," says the analyst.
“Yes, I think Microsoft’s positioning prompted Sony to follow suit.” I'd say Microsoft's 100% commitment to PC day one gave Sony some freedom to straddle the fence a bit, sure. Just like Sony's dominant position in first party studios "prompted" MS to make some moves and increase their output which paled in comparison. It is what competing companies do.
Competition driving positive moves. It's great for all fans.The twitter meltdown though is something to behold
It’s Twitter. It always melts down. Why ANYONE caters to the twitter mob is beyond me.
Ah twitter has to have its petulant meltdowns every now and again. When I saw the news, I quickly rushed over to Jason Schreier's twitter. lol......I'm not sure I would have been so nice. https://twitter.com/jasonsc... But yes, the competition is extremely healthy for the industry even if twitter angst is not. lol
Sony fans should be thanking Microsoft for Smart Delivery and the ability to play games on multiple platforms. It will only encourage Sony to add more value to the PS5.
I am still of the mindset that prefers consoles. So while people can proclaim they dont need an xbox to play because their games are on PC... good for them. I still will buy an xbox. And if more games from PS come to PC then that's fine too because (again) I will still buy a playstation. The end result here is more people will be able to play these games. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm surprised the N4G mob hasn't had a full on melt down. Thankfully their have been others here who have predicted this will happen even when the Sony nay-sayers were in full force calling for Microsoft's doom when they went to PC. Now they are no where to be seen. Maybe there is hope here after all.
Good God. Just look at this nonsense: https://twitter.com/s3rious... So this guy tears up his own room, trashes his PS4, and then starts videoing it all while sniffling and crying like an spoiled child. lol.....either this whole thing was staged or this guy has mental issues.
Apparently, it's not great for ALL fans, rofl. Twitter (all social media really) has become narcissism personified, which is exactly why people cater to the idiotic twitter mob.
It's glorious isn't??
Lol that video of the kid smashing his room up because of the announcement is shocking 😂
@ razzer, found out today that the dude behind that account has been trolling everyone, at one point it was two people running the accounts, he posted messages earlier on twitter confirming that it's all a wind up.
They're releasing old games on PC. Horizon zero Dawn came out 3 years ago. But Death Stranding will be 6 months. I still don't see them releasing their first party exclusives on PC or playstation now on launch day. That would be cool though
@ taco it's not that per-say. it has always been known that pc is a platform that is free to develop games on. with that in mind developers can collect residuals a lot easier. that is just one of the many factors that keeps pc gaming solidified.
"I still don't see them releasing their first party exclusives on PC or playstation now on launch day" never say never as anything is possible
If Sony did release games day one on PC and PSNow... what would it matter? Like i said above, i prefer consoles so I will still buy my games on console regardless if they are also on PC or a rental service. Hell, I've got the CE of Ori coming in the mail AND I have it set to download on gamepass. one i can play while the other i can keep sealed and then open and play once it leaves GP. There is nothing wrong with having options.
Old good games better than 99% of the current games.
Yeah, Death Stranding releasing so soon looks odd but Kojima (way back in late 2015/early 2016) had already said it was important to him to see his next game on PC before Sony even stepped in to help fund/get console exclusivity with DS. I'm guessing releasing on PC 6 months after will be the exception (imo, it'll be 1 year minimum but probably more like 2-3) rather than the rule and I think you're right about simultaneous launches.
I think investors see MS making money off PC, and then wonder if Sony can do the same thing. On top of that, the idea of expanding ecosystems in a service based world is kind of big in technology right now. I dont know if Sony will go all in with this for the long run, but it seems that they are testing the waters.
I agree. If HZD takes off on PC, I find it hard to believe Sony won't expand their presence in that space. Just good business. Folks need to remember. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are beholden to one group of people: stockholders. They are not fanboys.
I Agree, just like how MS is testing the water on Switch, if the money's there and it doesn't affect the core business then there's no reason why it should stop :) In the end, the real winner is always the customer :)
Everquest already proves Sony can make money on PC platform. I don’t think there was ever doubt about being able to sell games there. They simply saw it as diluting their market for PS console games if they also release on PC, which a disincentive for customers to invest in their hardware platform. Older games are a different story and it’s a chance to market a previously exclusive title to a new market segment and re-energize cash flow on them for a relatively low investment cost. I personally think this is not so much driven by Microsoft strategies than it is by development times and costs going up and they’re just exploring ways to keep their library of games making money for longer. I think Pachter, as usual, pretends to know more than he does. At least half of what he says is either completely wrong or is so completely obvious that you’d swear he literally is Captain Obvious. I don’t know why anyone listens to him at all, let alone pay him for his consultation.
"I personally think this is not so much driven by Microsoft strategies than it is by development times and costs going up" I might agree with this except for the fact that Sony has had quite a few notable AAA productions this gen, which were made on budgets that are barely considered AAA. Horizon for instance was made for $40 million dollars, and that's with the production of a new game engine, and it was made in a relatively short time compared to other games in the same class. I believe GOW was said to be around $50 million. Spider-Man was $40 million for production, but I believe there was probably licensing costs from Disney for the rights. Sony somehow broke the mold of high development costs, and still managed to make games that were in the same class as other games which cost twice as much to make. Their marketing strategy for those games also seems like it wouldn't cost as much as what we've seen in the past, so that also lowers the costs. In any case, the excuse of rising development costs was just one used by publishers to try and validate their monetization schemes. Trying to make it seem it was necessary. It really wasn't, because those games that cost more, tend to sell more, and software sales were rising to a point where you get the quantities of scale effect that kept the retail price down. If Sony is doing this, it's for money, and maybe even their stated purpose of testing the waters to see how it affects their company and their brand.
I honestly don't know about this one. Maybe the suits who aren't in tune with things are just looking for profit everywhere. But I think if they look at the software sales and hardware dominance combined, I'm not sure "diversifying" options because of the losing competitor is doing it fo having a smaller market reach is the best solution. To be fair, we just don't understand the overall purpose. Are they planning to do same-day or near same-day release in the long run or do they want to just do only certain games they think people on PC will be interested in after a year or more of being exclusive? But, I can't believe that the decision was based solely on Microsoft doing it because Microsoft wasn't selling 10m copies of their exclusives.
@Christopher Yeah, I think MS is being given a bit too much credit for this move. As I said above, I think MS putting all their games on PC freed Sony up a bit to make some moves in that direction, but their ecosystem is firmly on PlayStation hardware and that isn't going to change for quite some time, if ever. Remember, MS had to resort to Steam because their own store failed miserably to yield results. Regardless, not sure how this scenario forced Sony to do likewise. I don't see it. So while I do expect to see more games coming to PC from the PS library, after what I expect will be a huge boost in sales for HZD on Steam, I think day one releases is a pipe-dream. Even stockholders and "the suits" understand the importance of maintaining the PlayStation ecosystem.
If you look at it over the longer term, Sony started trying to bring PlayStation to more platforms with them launching PSNow. It's really not any different in terms of diversifying. It's just on PSNow, they have more direct control over the licensing of those games, hence, make money in that way. It's possible that Sony saw that they weren't going to win against PC....if that was their goal in the first place....and decided to just test how much more they could make by starting to release games on PC. Horizon is a good test bed IMO, because it's something new for the PC crowd that doesn't own PS, and it will be a good game to showcase Sony games. It's a fun game, and it'll be a good game to showcase for power players.
What happens if Microsoft ever allows access to Steam on Xbox? Then you can play Sony exclusives on Xbox. Sony better be careful going forward.
Sony would just say "No" and their games wouldn't appear on Xbox. That would happen in large scale as most publishers wouldn't allow it, which means that isn't a likely scenario at all.
They knew that Microsoft were gonna get millions of eyes on PC that's why Sony is releasing their games on PC. Smart move by Sony, but now they have lost what makes them unique. They are still steps behind as Microsoft is doing things like smart delivery and cross saves between platforms.
Playstation has had crossbuy/cross save since the vita released bro
Cross-buy and Cross play with vita is one of the most irrelevant things out there. If it was the PS3 to PS4 then yes but it wasn't. I can't take my save from the Witcher 3 on PS4 to PC/XBOX....so no Sony doesn't do cross-save and they won't allow it. This is the type of cross-save people are after not Vita to ps3/Ps4
Um... It is ps3-ps4... Literally half the games i played the first few months on PS4 were games i bought on PS3. At least google it before you make a statement like that bruh
Nobody bought a Vita
They haven’t lost anything when it’s released 3 years after, they already sold their copies for PlayStation it’s in the PlayStation hits range ie bargains, if it goes to PC now 3 years later 🤷🏻♂️ Already got a platinum it doesn’t effect me or my enjoyment of the game one iota being as that happened 3 years ago. PC can have the sloppy seconds 3 years later it’s fine. Does that effect Sony having their exclusives going to another platform 3 years!! Down the line hardly, but it gives PC players a chance to see what incredible games are only available on PS4/5 if you want them day1 get the console if you wanna wait 2-3 years have fun. It’s a bit different if they all going to Pc day1 or even year 1 but they not. I have no interest in PC and even if they start launching PS4/5 and PC Same day I’ll still be console versions any day of the week I’m a console gamer not high end frames per second counter. I’m not for top resolutions just fantastic games. I’ll take timeless classics from 25/30 years ago over yearly churned 4K rubbish. Graphics are way down the list of a great game.
Sure thing console pleb, sure thing.
Can we please stop calling it Smart Delivery? The term is so stupid sounding. It's just cross-buy. A term everyone was already familiar with and comfortable using. Why MS felt the need to invent a far dumber sounding term that has the exact same meaning is beyond me.
I think Sony knows Horizon Zero Dawn is a fantastic game, and could sell PS5 consoles. I am new to Playstation and now am torn between the Series X and PS5. It all depends on launch window games. I definitely want both!
It's a case of wait and see what's out.last gen I was more interested in the ps4 due to DriveClub but when it was held back I got the xbox one and Forza 5.that said for me this gen has felt half assed by everyone and I ended up going down the pc side sold my xbox X and switch and built a gaming pc and so far I've not looked back. Seeing news likes this also makes me like pc even more. Interesting times for pc gamers
Sony didn’t do anything half arsed this gen. they literally done the complete opposite. Got it wrong with ps3 and corrected all the wrongs and made a games console that had games at the forefront from the start not as an after thought after all the subscriptions and services that’s literally what turned me off Xbox day1 no mention of games just charges subscriptions and services half of which were USA only American football and tv etc can’t watch that here but thanks anyway what about the games. 7 years later they’ve barely released 7 games that will be worth talking about in 7 years from now let alone 25/30 like some timeless classics.
@RosweeSon. "Got it wrong with ps3 and corrected all the wrongs" Im very curious to see if you are as forgiving of Microsoft as you are with Sony seeing how the XBSX is shaping up to be a games focused console.
What I mean by half assed is nothing really new this gen and alot of the games were underwhelming to. How many new IPs did sony and Microsoft give us and how many were a wow game? Sony have given us very little in FPS and Racing this gen to. Microsoft have again been pants at new IPs and not much to shout about. It's not just 1st party's but 3rd party's to. Again how many new ips have we seen and how many YOY games do we get to. For me this gen has been stale and one of the lest exciting ones from all 3 but I feel Nintendo have given me more this gen with the wiiu & switch, than Sony and Microsoft. Each to their own though for me I'm happy with pc at the moment nothing I feel I am missing out on and it's the best platform for racers to.
Get a ps5 and settle for a current gen Xbox for now all their Not next generation games will work on any Xbox released this current gen why spend double the money for few extra frames per second when for half the price you can still access all their games and if you enjoy them and they actually start releasing more next gen (I’m yet to see this happening yet) then upgrade your console and you’ve got a load of games you can take with you. Not worth rushing out for new Xbox day1 unless your a big fan of what they’ve done this gen 😑🤔🥴 29335;🏻♂️😂 8540; or you just want the most technically advanced console (allegedly) but look what all that extra power of the X did for them, nothing other than some extra frames per seconds and few extra sparks. 1-2 years after launch when games start arriving they gonna have another new Xbox console out already at which point you can get thier next gen launch model cheaper or get the best version of it when it actually warrants it, the games have turned up. That’s just me ps5 is an easy day1 if I feel I’ve cleared enough of this gen up so many great games came out bought my PS4 day1 and still rammed with games. Sold my Xbox S after 4 months of smashing the exclusives.
and all this time everyone just loved to pile on to ms when, along with other things, were looking at tomorrow...
No because Ps exclusives aren't and won't be available day one on PC. Let's not overreact when Sony PlayStation boss said it's been 3 years since launch of horizon People have been begging for bloodborne and I think if Spiderman was available on PC it would sell easily 5+ million As a long time ps fan I am happy there games might come to pc because it means more money for Sony and possibly give their developers more resources This is Sony testing the water to see and I for one am excited because these exclusives are amazing and more gamers deserves to play them
Dawn No it's not as of yet right. Not until it's released. It's been given free and as cheap as 10 bucks for awhile so for the series to come to pc and possibly gain more fans there is nothing wrong with that As a ps fan this means Sony generates more money which in return could mean even more games. The main difference is ps exclusives might come to pc in 2-3 years while Xbox games are available same day
It wouldn’t sell 5 million i mean it could but rockstars stance shows why don’t aren’t interested in PC release their games and see them bootlegged no end or release them through consoles where the piracy is much less freely available. Rockstar don’t release their games on pc until years after if at all and why would they or Sony spend money porting and making PC versions and then the majority just download it for free.
Bottom line is that shareholders decide the path a company takes. The company's direction has to factor in their fiduciary duty to their share holders. "How are we going to bring value to those invested in the company". If there is a path to increased profits (selling games on pc) and a company gives in to whining fanboys who don't like to share their favourite toys, the executives of that company are not doing their appointed job and are then subject to career change. I know not a lot of people like to hear this but this is a trend we will be seeing more and more. All publishers in this space will eventually offer their games to all platforms. It is the IP that matters and building the fan base for those Ip's will be the key to the future. The box you choose to play games on will not be something that matters in the future.
The only thing PC ports do is allow more people to play great games. It has no notable impact on console sales or software sales. The only people complaining are those who love their pathetic list wars, and use PC ports as a reason to discredit a competitor's game. If a PS game is not on XBox, or vice versa, then it will have the same impact as it always has. Most console gamers do not bother with PC due to convenience or price, so all this does is expand the audience. Especially in this case, as most Sony or MS games have front loaded sales until they hit bargain bin prices. If a game releases on PC a year or two later, those that would have bought it already would have for the most part. There seems to be a lot of people out there bent out of shape about this news, but it is their fault for caring more about fake console wars and list battles than just playing games. Anyway I am glad more people are getting to play Horizon, it is a wonderful game that I have the plat for myself. Enjoy!
Ryan is changing things big time at Sony. No wonder Shawn left so abruptly. Either way it makes Sony more money at the expense of their games being multiplat now just like Xbox games. More will be available once they see how much money they start making by doing this. Its just business at the end of the day for Sony and MS.
actually shawn layden confirmed this way b4 he left that they were planning on bringing "select" games to PC and never all first party games.. so technically he got the ball rolling, jim just followed it through.
Its a bold move. If it gathers more fans on its PC release people will be tempted to buy a ps5 for the next game
As a PS gamer I see nothing wrong with old first party PS exclusives going to PC,especially knowing those old SP titles were basically bought & played already by PS console owners. Hopefully that's more money for Sony to put in the PS ecosystem to develop more amazing PS exclusives. It's not like PS exclusives are going to Nintendo & XB consoles,something that's not going to happen.
I’m not sure why you’re getting disagrees for this. I think it’s great that more people will be able to play Horizon: Zero Dawn now.
Disagrees either from fanboys of the competition or PS fanboys that feel entitled or all the above.
It would be cool if KZ2 and KZ3 was ported to PC. I own the original on PS3. It would be awesome to play KZ at 60fps and possibly mods
People are constantly saying that exclusives are what sells consoles but the bulk of the money to be made in this industry by console holders comes from software sales and services. This will only benefit Sony.
Because there is a correlation. As a hardware company, the goal is to get the console into as many hands as possible... to then get the software/services revenue. To get the console into as many hands as possible to need to offer unique things. Exclusive games is one of those big unique things.
There is a correlation and still, they're releasing games on PC because it will give more people access to their software. They don't do this out of the kindness of their heart, they do it because software makes them far more money than selling hardware ever will. Hell Sony will sell their console at a loss because all they care about is maximazing the number of people that will have access to their software/services and PC is just another way to guarantee that. Like I said, this will only benefit them.
Horizon Zero Dawn is the 1st first party game this generation. The game has already been out for 3 years. It isn't going to impact console sales. Exclusives are the most important thing to selling consoles. Sony is not going to be release their first party games on PC. That would harm their console sales. It is much more important to them to sell consoles than it is to sell some games on PC. This isn't hard to understand.
3 years? What about Death Stranding, a Sony owned IP? Media Molecule has also been hinting at a PC Dreams version and the game was released recently. Also don't forget PS now being available for PC. Sony is slowly but surely starting to support the PC platform and it will only benefit them. "It is much more important to them to sell consoles than it is to sell some games on PC." What's important to them is maximizing their profits and if allowing their games to be on PC does that then that's what they'll do. People around here like to shit on MS because the Xbox doesn't have exclusives and like to say that the X1 is a failure due to its sales BUT their gaming division broke revenue records last year despite the X1 selling half the units the 360 did. That kinda says it all doesn't it?
Death Stranding is not first party even if they own the IP. Clearly a deal was made with Kojima for this to be on PC as well. Simple question... Do you think a million sales of Horizon Zero Dawn on PS4 is the same as a million sales on PC?
Well if it ends up like MS where everything is also on PC day 1 ill just invest in upgrading my PC instead and just get both of their 1st party offerings. But if it's like this where they release for PS4/5 1st and foremost with a PC release after it's gotten all its sales on console ill still grab their console cause im not gonna wait 3 years to play the games. Based on their response their current plans just seem like the second scenario, but if it turns out to be super successful i cant see them ignoring that. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
well it is 3 years old,..still don't like this
I paided 10 dollars for God of War on ps4 and would pay 40 dollars for the same game on pc.
Yeah, selling a measly 100 million consoles isn't good enough. They need to follow MS's suit because they killed it this gen. Good guess Pachter.
Or because Sony see how successful MS is with the PC market and so they want a piece of that pie as well? Not everything need to be about that “consol sael”. Sony isn’t a fanboy like most people here are. They are in it for the money, and there is nothing wrong with that.