What Does 12 TFLOPs GPU Mean For Xbox Series X?

Examining the potential of Xbox Series X’s 12 TFLOPs GPU.

[Destiny1080]

RTX 2080 Super, is 11.1 Teraflops

Xbox Series X 12 Teraflops and also comes with a Console Attached to it

Impressive Stuff, They may even add windows at some stage

[CaptainHenry916]

And it also means it will be expensive. Definitely over $500

[DJStotty]

Not necessarily,

Depends on how much of a loss the manufacturers are willing to take to get the install base up. My guess with Microsoft is they will be willing to take a larger hit than Sony, as Sony will sell on name alone.

I predict the Xbox Series X may be the cheaper of the 2, whether that will translate into higher sales, that is another story.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Who cares. I’m buying day one. If you want the best then you have to pay. I’m willing to pay for top notch specs. If you can’t afford next gen consoles then stay at current gen or do what Sony said and get a second job 😉

[waverider]

And with Huge loss. A high end gpu that isnt the market.. . That arent discounts that can make it, beside everything else.

[ThinkThink]

I can see MS taking a 20-30 dollar hit on the series x, but not over $100. I'm expecting $599.99 at launch. Keep in mind, MS doesn't need you to upgrade now, so as long as you have an xbox one, you're set for the next year post series x launch. The moment pre orders open, i'm getting both. Getting a 4k TV this year and cannot wait to hook these monsters up.

[zackeroniii]

also no exclusives means this means absolutely nothing

[343_Guilty_Spark]

They rather lose on hardware and have you subscribe to GamePass.

[3-4-5]

$550 or $600

[DJStotty]

Its a day one buy for me as well for the series X, just like i did with the xbox one X.

[Max_Eckhardt]

Get a job, ya bum!

[DJStotty]

@Max_Eckhardt

How do you know gaming is not my job?

[Powerhug]

Yes, you're right, an entire console will cost less than a 2080 Super but it will outperform it...

[Unspoken]

12 TFlops computing what exactly? TF from nVidia =/= AMD TF so the measurements can't be compared directly.

[specialguest]

Unspoken is right. You can't compare AMD architecture to Nvidia. 12 TF on AMD doesn't mean it beats Nvidia 11.1 TF, because there's 0.8 more TF. There's been many examples in the past where more TF was beaten by less TF gpu when it came to AMD vs Nvidia in real world gaming comparisons. If it was AMD vs AMD, yes it would make a difference.

I don't expect console gamers to know any of this since gpu/cpu/and other PC components comparison isn't important to them. You get what you get in consoles. Where as in PC we're always reading about the latest and greatest PC tech and components keeping up date with what's best power wise, budget wise, and power to dollar value wise. It's cute when console only gamers try to talk hardware power when they know little

[Melankolis]

@Unspoken, @specialguest
Judging the upvotes Powehug has gotten, i see many people do not know the truth and believe what they want to believe. TFlops in AMD & NVidia can't be compared directly, period.

It used to be "bit", "GHz", MB/GB, Core, and now they use "Teraflops" for marketing gimmick. Not entirely wrong, but not entirely right either.

[Powerhug]

Where the fuck do you see me compare AMD to Nvidia? The only thing I would compare is the power of the 2080 Super to its price and then to the price a full system, i.e. a console, which includes many other parts besides a gpu.

[CaptainHenry916]

Unspoken is actually right

[Fluttershy77]

It's a lot, it would have a great performance, so for the right price it could sell well...

I deal with Windows 10 on a daily basis at my job and I hate it, I don't want it anywhere close my gaming devices.

[RazzerRedux]

You can’t compare teraflops between architectures. Vega 64 is 12 teraflops and performs worse than the 9 TF 5700 XT in games.

[nismo370]

Exactly.

[nirwanda]

Very true but the new Xbox will use the latest rdna2 with hardware ray tracing so right off the bat it (in theory)should be faster than any amd card currently available so it should be fairly close to what Nvidia is currently offering.

[NonPartisanGamer]

Agreed, the 2080 super is a $700 card but nvidea owns that market. Manufacturing cost is likely a fraction of that.

[lelo2play]

Well, the Xbox Series X’s 12 TFLOPs GPU means that it's less then 13 TFLOPs and more then 11 TFLOPs.

BTW, there's going to be a Xbox Series Y’s with a 15 TFLOPs GPU and a Xbox Series Z’s with a 20 TFLOPs GPU.

[Segata]

You are comparing AMD flops to Nvidia. You can't do that. Nvidia is more efficient with them than AMD. Besides using flops as the end-all measurement is stupid. That's what fanboys do without context.

[Profchaos]

Putting windows on opens up to much risk for things like piracy much like the original PS3 and it's inclusion of Linux it became a target for homebrew exploits and piracy ultimately.

[tontontam0]

"Who cares. I’m buying day one. If you want the best then you have to pay. I’m willing to pay for top notch specs. If you can’t afford next gen consoles then stay at current gen or do what Sony said and get a second job 😉"

Lol hypocrite console fanboy. but you refuse to pay top dollars on pc?

[jjb1981]

12 Teraflops!? Combine that with dA pOwA Uv Da KlOwDz and you get yourself more confused. Until release it will be all about the Teraflop-talk just like with the X. I bought the X on release and am glad I did. So many games looked great but still many were locked to 30fps and were missing several lighting effects that you only see on PC. It all sounds good now and the fanboys will be at each other's throats but don't forget that MS won't have much to offer at release. With my PC specs being much better and having Game Pass for PC, I can't see myself buying this on release. I hope it comes out as a beast of a machine for console-only gamers but I also hope that Microsoft lets third-party devs utilize the full potential of the machine so they can better optimize their games better. (I'm looking at you PUBG)

[CaptainHenry916]

"were missing several lighting effects that you only see on PC"

Facts

[jjb1981]

Exactly.
I know Fanboys get offended when I mention dA pOwA Uv Da KlOwDz but I mean when will it mean something? 4K @60fps, ultra-res textures but effects are set on low. Unless the game is cartoony-ish, lighting provides much more realism.

[jjb1981]

@Shaggy2303

Both. The console can't handle it. Same goes for PS4. You console fanboys are a funny bunch.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

You may have a beast of a PC that can our perform the Series X but ALOT of people don’t. And just how much did you pay for this PC of yours? This is a point that most PC gamers with high end PC’s don’t wanna talk about. I could easily afford a 3-4K PC but I don’t want one. The Series X will rival high end PC’s and will be much cheaper.

[MarkyMark89]

I built my PC last year, but I was a fresh start. So desk, mouse and keyboard, 3 monitors couple of monitor arms along with the PC, and it cost me roughly $2,300. I will already outperform the next set of consoles and I haven't upgraded a thing, imagine when I slap a 30 series GPU in it if they drop this year.. But back to your point about cost, PS4= $400 a launch, 6 years PSN= $200 (Lets be nice and say you got some year's at a discounted price) 10 Games= $600 unless you waited months for discounts like you always have to on console.... Now lets not include the terrible controllers that constantly break if you play anything that is somewhat competitive. So all in all your spending roughly the same amount, just different time frames.

That is the difference between console a PC, the initial cost is so much more, but you spend pennies after that. I literally got 6 games for free the day I built my PC due to AMD and Nvidia handing out every current AAA title when I bought my parts. My current Steam libary has 40+ games, another 200+ titles for $5 with Xbox PC Game Pass, another 4 games on Ubi launcher, COD on Battlenet, EFT.. The list goes on, I have only paid roughly $150-$200 (mainly MW for $40 and $45 for EFT, Im sorry but you could never do that on a console, and that's the reason I sold my PS4 after 3 months of being on PC.

Sony and MS don't make their money off the console, its software sales and peripherals post launch, no need to spread misinformation just state you have no interest in PC. Lol gotta love the fanboys.. Less then 1% of the 1% spends 3-4 on a PC, I could build you a PC that will shit all over next get consoles right now for roughly $1200

[RazzerRedux]

"And just how much did you pay for this PC of yours? This is a point that most PC gamers with high end PC’s don’t wanna talk about."

lol....and console buyers don't want to talk about how much they spend to be online or the fact that if they want to stay at the top of console performance then they have to buy a new console every three years. If you bought Xbox One and then Xbox One X then you paid $1000 and then another $350 to $400 in online fees. I can build a pretty damn good PC for $1400. This idea that console gaming is so much cheaper is no longer the case now that they have adopted PC tech and have mid-gen upgrades.

"The Series X will rival high end PC’s and will be much cheaper."

lol....we won't know that until we see benchmarks, but I seriously doubt it. I think you are putting way too much faith into marketing.

[jjb1981]

At the end of 2015 I paid about $1600 for a build that uses an i7-6700k OC'd to 4.4 GHz that I still use today. I bought the higher end
AC+ SC+ Custom backplate EVGA 980TI
16GB of DDR4 RAM,
LGA1151 ASUS Z170-AR Mobo
450GB SSD
2 TB SSHD.
That 980Ti ran games at 4K better than the One X did in 2017. At my preference, I upgraded my GPU to a 2080Ti and an ultra wide 1440p monitor. I run everything at 120fps with G-sync. There is no comparison. The amount of money I have spent on PC games is much less than console games. PC games don't require a monthly fee to play multiplayer. My PC has a million other uses. I'm a gamer and I love to have consoles too. I bought the Xbox One Day One edition, Xbox One X Scorpio edition and have always had Gold. Let's just say that it cost me $1280 spread over the seven year period. The discrepancy is made up by the sheer performance of my PC over Xbox. The cost of the software has been way much more than anything I've purchased on PC over that time. There are so many ways to buy games for PC at a huge discount. Anything that you think looks as good on the Series X as it does on PC is because it was ported to PC. Just wait until Cyberpunk comes out and you'll see how much better it looks on PC. Actually, you won't. Based on your comment you're basically saying that a shiny new Corolla would beat a Ferrari. I'm not a PC elitist or anything like that. I'm just stating the obvious and you have a raging hard-on for Microsoft.

[DJStotty]

@MarkyMark89

So what would you do if your power supply failed or malfunctioned and fried your GPU?, what if your 3 monitors went bust.

You can not compare what one console owner would spend against a PC player, as the variables will differentiate with each case.

I for one have not replaced a controller since the xbox one, i just use the same one for the xbox one X, and then use the same one for the series X. If it breaks, i will use the one i got with the xbox one X to play, when that fails, i will use the one i get with the Series X.

[DJStotty]

@jjb1981

So after 3/4 years you shelled out over £600, just on a graphics card alone. That will not even be the price of the Series X.

[chiefJohn117]

Forza and halo 5 says wassup

[snoopgg]

Yeah, Forza and Halo have been saying that for along time. We need something new.

[GamerRN]

Your PC specs are nice better huh? So what do you have in your PC?

[chiefJohn117]

Spoiler he doesn't have one. PC Fanboys kill me lol. Look at him and Razzer try to justify they highly price super PCs. I paid less than $1000 for the console, games and online service combined this gen meanwhile dude paid $2300 on hardware alone lol. You tell me who won?

[RazzerRedux]

@chiefJohn117

"dude paid $2300 on hardware alone lol. You tell me who won?"

lol...I did. I didn't pay $2300 (WTF with that amount?). And what if I did? If I bought a more expensive rig than you does it make it less fast or not better than yours? If I have the money....why the hell do you care? You didn't win with the games. That is for damn sure. Stop pretending you did.

Xbox fans like you want it both ways. They want to talk about how much power they have and they don't care if they had to spend more to get it.....until a PC gamer comes along. And THEN.....they want to talk finances. GTFO with your nonsense.

[jjb1981]

@chiefJohn117
Obviously you won with that 4K locked @30fps on low settings. So you spent $1000 and you will spend another $500 on the Series X and continue to pay for Gold. You probably play Fartnite so I guess you don't need Gold after all.

[DJStotty]

@jjb1981

What Teraflop is the PS5 GPU?

[Donnie81]

hopefully it means it will be a great place to game. That’s the goal or should be of every system.

[solideagle]

12 TFLOPS means "Da Powah" just like "Da Powah" of cloud /s

[Donnie81]

I like powah

[i3eyond the Circle]

12 teraflops of RDNA 2. It’s only a 15% difference but in theory it’s 13.8 in comparison to the mid range Navi of the Ps5. A subject we can’t speak on yet but will be the talk of the town come info release.

[ThinkThink]

I believe it's closer to 50% difference, not 15%:
http://www.redgamingtech.co...

[MarkyMark89]

Yall must not know AMD's track record in the GPU department... sadly in the coming months and years, you will be highly disappointed.

[rainslacker]

AMD's biggest issue is they arwnt very power efficient, and their chip design struggles to achieve its potential due to bottlenecks that exist within their bus architecture. Some of that is mitigated on consoles due to more integrated design, and customizations that can be made that arent suitable, or required on PC.

Drivers are a big problem for AMD chips, but that's not something the consoles have to worry about either.

[sprinterboy]

Ps5 has
13.3TF
RDNA 2.0
3.4ghz, working twds final 3.7ghz
16gb GDDR6 4gb DDR4 ram

You'll find out tomorrow march 3rd ps5 spec announcement.

[i3eyond the Circle]

I’d like to believe that. But the whole waiting for Xbox to reveal their price thing wouldn’t make sense.. and the board members wouldn’t be fighting over to make a profit or loss... because a profit on something of that magnitude would be a death sentence.

So nay sir

[KillBill]

Let me guess... "and still priced at a reasonable $399" lol

[DJStotty]

good luck with that

[Profchaos]

Source?
I've seen three sets of leaked specs and multiple rumours indicating two models to be released base and pro esqe starting to feel like everyone and their mum has a mole in Sony's rand d team

[IRetrouk]

As much as I want a reveal today, that 3rd of March rumor, is just that, and so far every other similar rumor with a date has been wrong, I'm not getting my Hope's up again lol, insiders have also been no real help, I've seen numbers from 8 tfs to 13.3 tfs, rdna1, rdna2, a mix of both, best to just wait and see rather than use rumors as facts, if it does get announced today then colour me surprised.

[DJStotty]

Still awaiting the March 3rd PS5 spec reveal?

What time were you informed it was happening?

[Spenok]

What makes you think they'll announce this today?

Send me a PM or something so I can get a notification of your answer. Thanks!

[DJStotty]

now 15:15pm and still no sign of an announcement

[Animal Mutha 76]

??? #fakenews #not13TF

[BigBosss]

It means nothing because they dont have a lot of games 🤔😆

[EasilyTheBest]

Change the record, don't you think there's a good chance they will have a lot of games after buying 15 studios. You may not of heard of them yet but any sensible company would announce them at the time that'll have the biggest impact, E3 perhaps or something in September closer to release..

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

And clearly you don’t have a lot of original jokes 🤔😆. And what exactly has Sony announced? Oh that’s right a logo...

[ThinkThink]

It's a damn fine logo though.

[RedDevils]

Unless you're new to gaming, you should know it by now that Sony always has more games and better than M$ will ever will. What make you think it would any different with the PS5, even with their 15 average new studio they bought lol

[jambola]

doesn't need to be original
still can be good and true

[ThinkThink]

BigBosss,

Let's wait until the next gen consoles launch before saying they don't have a lot of games.

[SuperWeeb]

Absolutely nothing, teraflop hasn't been a reliable measurement for years now and performance is highly influenced by a wide variety of other factors such as architecture and system bottlenecks.

There are tons of examples of lower teraflop graphics cards beating out those of higher ones, significantly at that. Instead of listening to marketing speak and acting like you know anything, you should wait for real world benchmarks.

[SuperWeeb]

A good example, AMD 9.75TF Navi RX57XT is 14% more capable than the 13.7TF RXVega64.

Don't blindly listen to marketing speak.

[nismo370]

Exactly

[MarkyMark89]

SirJoJo AMD is terrible at anything GPU related so good luck, LOL at this point anything coming from their graphics department brings huge skepticism before it hits the real world. Not sure why all these uninformed console plebs are running around N4G hyping up anything AMD, they have been a joke in that department for over a decade, you guys need to be more hyped about the CPU upgrade, what held back the consoles last gen.

[RazzerRedux]

@SirJoJo

"act blind to the fact that the Vega 64 is GCN architecture and RX57xt is RDNA 1. "

That is exactly the point. A Teraflop means nothing outside of its own architecture. What does that mean for RDNA 2? We don't know. If you go by teraflops then Vega 64 should perform better than 5700 XT. It doesn't.

"this is AMDs next generation graphics architecture that isn't even available for PC today"

Announcement coming March 5. You wanna bet it will be on consoles before PC? (you don't want to take that bet, btw)

"The 12 TF RDNA 2 GPU in the Xbox series x means performance on par or most likely better than a 2080 super as devs will be coding to the metal."

lol.....are you serious? So you have a problem comparing AMD to AMD teraflops when they are in different architectures but you have no problem comparing AMD teraflops to Nvidia teraflops? Wow. Just go with whatever logic works at the time, huh? Doesn't matter if it total nonsense, I guess?

[RazzerRedux]

“ I was implying that the tech will be new and at the same level as PC on release, unlike this generation. “

That isn’t what you said and you don’t know that to be true at all. You are making assumptions

“ Not sure what planet your living on that you can't research all the benchmarks out there that show the rx75xt performs on par with an Rtx2070 Super on almost all modern games. ”

Actually the 2070 super is about 10% faster, so check your facts. You said nothing about benchmarks. You said:

“ The 12 TF RDNA 2 GPU in the Xbox series x means performance on par or most likely better than a 2080 super as devs will be coding to the metal.”

Yes, actual benchmarks are what we need but you were drawing conclusions with teraflops alone. If you are trying to correct your previous post then great. Don’t pretend you didn’t equate the tech based on teraflops.

“ I wonder what an RDNA 2 card will do at 12TF”

Keep wondering until we see benchmarks then. We don’t know anything yet. And you are still buying into the TF difference as if it is valid. It isn’t

[RazzerRedux]

"I did not say... woohoo 12 TF > 11.1TF it's all about those flops!
but for some reason you took it that way."

lol....bullshit. You said 12 TF RDNA 2 => Geforce 2080 Super. Only metric you gave between the two was teraflops. So unless you were just making up an entirely bullshit comparison based on absolutely nothing then yeah....it was "all about those flops".

"Yes, assumptions based on benchmarks and information readily available today from reputable sources:"

Sure....sources that acknowledge they using theoretical numbers to derive speculative results at best. But fine....you acknowledge you are making assumptions. That's progress.

"I guess ignorance is bliss with you then. Based on the TECH that has been built in along with the 12 TF of compute power utilising at release the latest AMD graphics architecture, couple that with the latest CPU architecture and all avenues point towards the Xbox series X being a true power house gaming machine."

lol....I'm the one saying wait for actual benchmark data, not yapping about TF over and over again so if you are looking for ignorance then find a mirror. I never said SX wouldn't be a powerful console. I'm just calling bullshit on you trying to saying SX will be more powerful than 2080 Super when you complained so vehemently about the comparison to Vega 64. How the hell is one ok and the other isn't? You know what. I don't care anymore. Keep yapping about teraflops if it makes you feel good.

[RazzerRedux]

“ all avenues point towards the Xbox series X being a true power house gaming machine.”

Yeah, Einstein, that is fanboy talk. You have no facts at all and you know it. You were done before you started.

[CaptainCook]

"Absolutely nothing, teraflop hasn't been a reliable measurement for years now and performance is highly influenced by a wide variety of other factors such as architecture and system bottlenecks."

Did you not see the architecture? The shock news was the Xbox Series X was using next gen RDNA 2, not RDNA 1.5.

[jukins]

Well in console world,which this referring to, teraflops are generally a good idea of performance.

[mrmikew2018]

You’re preaching to the choir bro, there’s testing on these TFs that people can see for themselves on YT.

But the reality of it, is that the Xbox fanboys do not care.

The higher the TF number, the better it will than Sony’s platform.

[_LarZen_]

It means Xbox will continue to be the place to play most games.

[russo121]

Unfortunately only in specs, no exclusives to demonstrate the full power of the machine. Before I forget, don't tell us to be in wait mode eternally like current generation.

[_LarZen_]

That’s weird...I’ve played several MS exclusives that have. And by the look of things that’s going to improve by a lot in the time ahead.

But exclusives is such a small percentage of games played. And that’s why it’s looking like Xbox will continue to be the best place to play most games.

Except PC that is.

[snoopgg]

Not with the ps5 pro coming out at launch.

[RedDevils]

Feel sorry for you, that you only stuck with an Xbox. Because you can play 99% on xbox on a PC and PS

[_LarZen_]

Why do you assume I'm "only stuck with an Xbox"?

I own a aging PC. A Switch,PlayStation4Pro and a XboxOneX. And since my PC is getting ready for retirement I of course play most games on the console that gives me the best experience. And that's been the XboxOneX since it came out.

And if things ends up like it looks like then the Series X will be the best place to play most consoles games. Should Sony surprise us then that might be the place I'll play most console games on. Being a fanboy is not just childish and stupid. But it also keeps you away from games and better gaming experiences. And I'm not that guy.

[TheColbertinator]

It means that we will get more AAA games with great characters and better stories.

[TheHateTheyGive]

Wishful thinking.

[jambola]

No
it doesn't mean that at all

[chiefJohn117]

The console spec rumor was spot on for Xbox. Probably will for PS5 too with the 9tflops

[Spenok]

But there have been rumors from 9tf's to 13.3tfs...

Why have you chosen ONLY the 9tf rumor as fact and not the other(s)?

[chiefJohn117]

I did see that 13tflops rumor however that rumor is practically confirmed false cause it didn't have Xbox at 12tflop. So I'm gonna believe the original rumor which a reliable source I get info from backed and currently proved spot on with Xbox over something recent, that wasn't Backed and already 50% false

[Spenok]

So you have an independent source?

[SinisterKieran]

i wonder if microsoft will be taking a loss on the ocnsole? because the teraflops sound impressive. i have a RTX 2080ti and i feel cheated :D either microsoft will take a loss or nvidia are greedy A holes...i wonder which is more likely.

[jukins]

Seems both. Nvidia is basically charging what it wants because no one is doing ray tracing and dlss on the same consumer scale not to mention they're cards are just that much better in performance for the most part.

Maybe it's me but I kinda feel like were being mislead, 12tf more than a 2080ti which goes for over $1300 not to mention the ryzen cpu gddr6 memory ssd and everything else. I'm wondering how much either company is willing to lose cant see either one being $400 and $500 still seems like massive losses. But it is a long game. We'll see

[MarkyMark89]

Lol wait until AMD release's it into the real world, how many years and how many different architecture designs have failed. 2 years ago they claimed they had the 2080 killer (Radeon 7) it has taken literally that entire time, to get proper drivers on the card. On top of the fact, only a handful of games running on AMD specific engines beat out the 2080 , so what does that really say. Because anything built with Nvidia in mind still trumps it. So people saved roughly $100 buying the R7 over the 2080, to never get what was promised. Then along comes Navi. Everybody raves that its comparable to a 2060-2070 but your saving between $40-$100 then losing countless Nvidia exclusive features while you wait for pipeline dreams from AMD. Nvidia does overcharge a little I will admit that, but when you want a specific product to deliver what was promoted you go Nvidia. Atleast on the GPU side, the price to performance is not that bad. Esepcially when you compare price to performance on AMD/Intel processors.

[Segata]

MS has always taken losses on their consoles the first couple of years.

[Father__Merrin]

they will only sell at substantial loss if they feel it will be recouped in sales. if it doesnt take off they cant bump price by £200 overnight so its a tough gamble. either way the next consoles will be beating out pc easily

[Bladesfist]

What did PC do to you?

[Dragonscale]

Without any games created specifically for it for at least 2 years, not much really.

[jahcure]

is this the part where Milo comes out of the screen and takes the paper you drew up in real life and he goes back to his chair and improves on it? Could it be? Nah...that's so xbox 360...

[TheHateTheyGive]

while sony gives us great exclusives for ps4 like dreams, ff7 remake, niho 2, xbox is relegated to talking about specs. Same articles talking about the same thing all week.

[unjust75]

Exactly what 6teraflops meant for xbox one x Nothing!! If developers don’t utilize it and im betting they won’t at least for most titles.

[chiefJohn117]

They have utilized it tho. You must've missed out on soupgate

[william_cade]

This means they won't be able to develop new IP's for another 10 years.

[Kalabhiti]

Depends on " in relation to". If we are looking for it to combat the destruction that occured this "season" in consoles, I think it will take more than that.

[jznrpg]

Not all Flops are equal. Maybe ram is faster in one system or whatever combo with SSD COU etc . One GPU could be 9tflops and one 12Tflops but perform identically or even lesser flops has actual better performance depending on what the other parts do . Either way the Xbox will be powerful but in the end it will be the games that decide its fate not the Flops .

[pinkcrocodile75]

Christ it'll have been 20 years for Xbox next year. Hard to believe, and shows that time really does fly.

[hiawa23]

Thank You, Phil, and Xbox team. Making sure they don't make the same mistakes as this gen. I have no probs paying for better specs, so $599 or less is what I am looking to pay for the Series X day one. People keep talking about price but I am almost sure the PS5 will not be $399.

[AK91]

Without compelling software not much.

[WheatBread]

Having more teraflops doesn't mean it will perform better.

[WiiU-Dude]

Here comes the PS salty boys. No exclusives at launch etc. Yes, but the 3rd parties are going to be looking amazing. EA seems to think this next gen will be incredible. But I'll own both. I want Xbox's POWER!!! For all 1st and 3rd party games. I want PS5 to play PS 1-4 on my PS5 plus the awesome Sony exclusives. Win, win baby! There's no way the Xbox will come out at $599. They know what killed the Xbox One. It hurt big time to be $100 more than the PS4. It will be $499. Period.

[unjust75]

Dude! The xbox one x was 499 at launch and in some places still is. So they’ll undercut their already overpriced console?So what are you talking about?

[jambola]

why would the be salty?
really? ea says? hardly seems like a good company to use as an example here

[XxINFERNUSxX]

How about Nvidia Ampere that will be coming soon: https://www.pcgamesn.com/nv...
33 tflops would be nice but I highly doubt it will be that high.

[Prince-Ali]

It means it's the greatest piece of hardware we've ever seen in the console business!!!!

[Father__Merrin]

simple question pc fans point out. anytime theres an excellent console game thats 30fps thbey look down on it saying it hurts thier eyes etc. on next gen consoles its got the power to run games at smooth frame rates also in 4k so what will be the next "looking down" i wonder?

[RazzerRedux]

lol......hilarious that console fans like you somehow believe PC gaming advances are just going to come to a halt when the new consoles arrive. Next few weeks you will have Nvidia and AMD revealing their next lineup of GPUs. You'll be stuck with first gen ray tracing and machine learning for years while PC gaming continues to make improvements.

https://www.techradar.com/s...

I really don't understand why console fans continually want to have this fight. It is like some little brother mentality. I never bring up performance in order to "look down" on consoles myself, but I'm not going to shy away from it when console fans start talking nonsense about things they no so little about.

[Father__Merrin]

but if every game will be 4k 60fps im wondering what the next argument will be like its as if once a console reaches a pc point of view the goal post changes, i personally cant wait to see the performance on consoles

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Interesting people buy $600+ phones but call it expensive if it's a console.