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On paper, the GPU in the Xbox Series X is faster than a GeForce RTX 2080 Super

Microsoft is presumably referring to single-precision floating point (FP32) performance, as these metrics typically do. At 12 TFLOPs, the GPU inside the Xbox Series X is a tad faster than Nvidia's GeForce RTX 2080 Super, and just a bit behind a 2080 Ti, currently the best graphics card for gaming.

EasilyTheBest1946d ago

Well these are some amazing specs that we have heard so far. What a difference this time around compared to the original Xbox One reveal.
Microsoft seems to be doing everything right.
The next thing they need to get right are games, I can see them keeping all the game reveals for E3 & I'm sure they'll finally get this right aswell from all the studios they have bought.
The last thing will be the price, if they get this right aswell I can see things going extremely well for Microsoft.

anonymousfan1946d ago

Gosh I really wonder about that price :/ ?!

Lon3wolf1946d ago

I'm wondering that for both consoles, both are playing their cards close in regards to price.

ABizzel11946d ago

This is sounding like more than $600 console. Even if the 6700 / 6800 GPU launches at less than the 2080 Super, it's still going to be a $600 GPU for consumers, and on the CPU side even a year later a Ryzen 3700u would still be a $200 CPU.

Even at half the cost of consumer side (which is the range these consoles manufactures get their parts), the core APU for this system is easily $400 alone, before adding 16GB GDDR6 RAM, 1TB NVMe, motherboard, etc...

This is sounding like $699 minimum, which will make it a powerhouse of a console and easily the most powerful console of next gen, but at the price you only get the most hardcore Xbox fan which isn't increasing market share, as a $499 PS5 (9 TFLOPS) and $399 Xbox Scarlet (6 - 7 TFLOPS) will me more consumer friendly.

Then in 3 years a PS5 Pro can launch at a higher TF count and release at $499 again, and the Series X will not really be able to drop price down significantly below that, so they'll once again have to go higher in price with another more powerful console to compete or wait another year like XBO-X had to.

Super interested to see how this plays out. Regardless congrats on a powerhouse console MS, if you can hit $599 then well played.

crazyCoconuts1946d ago

I bet they're willing to sell at a loss. Look at those new x1x consoles they're selling for $300... That's gotta be at a loss

GamesAsAService1946d ago

You know that printers are sold at a loss?

They make their money on ink cartridges.

Do you want to know of another consumer product that is very often sold at a loss?

Take a guess, I will wait...

Yup. Game consoles. Games and accessories are where the money is made.

So here are a few things to remember. Microsoft is a 1.3 T USD company. Sony is a 90 B USD company. Who can can afford to take a loss to push console sales and market penetration of their product?

I think Microsoft is perfectly positioned for this to happen. It would seem that they have learned their lesson with regards to where their focus should be. There does not seem to be an emphasis on a useless peripheral (Kinect). They do seem to be focusing on performance. And they are consistently demonstrating consumer friendly business models and practices (value of gamepass, promoting crossplatform play, buy a game once and it will work across the entire xbox family of devices moving forward).

The games will come. These features however will be requested by gamers regardless of platform they play on.

seanpitt231946d ago

All of that power in a console you would expect near photorealistic graphics

Bruh1946d ago

@ABizzel1

OR they can just launch at 400-500, Microsoft has said a billion times already that they don't care about bottom dollar from console hardware, but rather from the services it sells for them. I can easily see them taking a loss on the hardware front to post customers to sell their services and make money on the backend

ABizzel11945d ago

@crazy

The XBO-X is more than likely selling at a loss, but only by around $50 per consent at most. Everything in the console is similar to the XBOs, besides the the 580 / 590 equivalent GPU which are below the $200 mark and hover around $150 at consumer prices. It still has the same COU, and better RAM, and cooling, but overall that's about another $100 - $150 difference from the base model, which is selling for $150 - $199, so $299 seems like a loss, but it cant be a huge one if there is.

This console on the other hand is looking like a $100 loss per console if not more day 1 of they aim for a $599 price. Regardless of what these other people are saying, no one wants to take a $100 loss on a product that especially isn't target towards the mainstream.

As amazing as the specs sound, this is not going to be the better selling of the two consoles, the majority of gamers aren't ready for $600 - $700 consoles, unless they offer and amazing installment / lease billing incentive.

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Agito19871946d ago

And launch worldwide simultaneously. I live in Holland and the xbox one launched 6 or 12 months later than the ps4. So there really wasn't a choice. Given the choice I would have gone for titanfall instead of killzone.

monkey6021946d ago

That's weird! The Xbox 1 launched before the PS4 everywhere else. Including most parts of Europe like Ireland, England, Spain, even with your neighbours Germany.

Agito19871946d ago

@monkey602
Germany I belive it launched in november yes. Quick google search, rest of europ november. Holland and belgium september next year.

monkey6021946d ago

That's mad! You would think we were long past those days. Even Japan didnt get the PS4 a year in advance to the rest of the world like they did in the old days

lazyboyblue1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

The high price, I feel is one of the reasons they keep barking about it being ok to stay on xb1 for a while. Don't wanna lose those customers (of which they'll be many) who balk at the series x price.
My personal hope is that my xb1x remains next gen relevant at 1080p for at least a transition year.

nirwanda1946d ago

I think they will price the same as the ps5, they won't want to lose ground early.
As for the 1x that will get grouped with the xbone like a 4k machines and as for the series x that will be kept almost separate probably grouped with a pc version of the game , pc requirements will go up and probably require an SSD etc.

itBourne1946d ago

The problem is, MS does this every single console cycle! Buy a bunch of studios/exclusives, do some other stuff right, then abandon game development all together and here ya go, Gears, Halo, and Forza for the rest of the gen and nothing else... oh yah we also ruined a few legendary studios we bought and canned too...

lazyboyblue1946d ago

Phil Spencer is no Don Mattrick. Everything Spencer has done has been for the consumer so far and there's no reason to believe his stance will suddenly change.

Larrysweet1945d ago

xbox shooting themselves in foot ps5 5 550 x 6 700 and ps5 still produce better looking games bahahahahah... just like pro vs x

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Axonometri1946d ago

Going to have to double that console savings plan

CaptainHenry9161946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

Sounds like a $599 console 🤔

Axonometri1946d ago

Want 2 of them now.. and then the upcoming Gpu's. probably a new wallet also

Spenok1946d ago

Pretty much at minimum.

Profchaos1946d ago

Even with ms selling at a loss to get there I think it could be possibly $650

MadLad1946d ago

Consoles tend to be fairly high end at launch. They also use extra optimization allowed as a crutch.
That said, by mid-gen, they tend to really start showing their age. At least come 3rd party titles, this this gen's refreshes. That also means, console gamers looking to stay up to date, are probably paying closer to $800 per system, per gen.

Just food for thought.

Kavorklestein1946d ago

Idk how I feel about showing age, cuz sometimes games come out that Amaze late in the Console cycle. Like TLOU, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, God of War, and Gears 5 etc.. etc..

MadLad1946d ago

That's the reason for pointing out 3rd party titles. As a, mainly, PC guy, it would be disengenuous to ignore the fact that console exclusives tend to look a step above most 3rd party games, most of the time. Giant funding, long dev cycles, and a concentrated effort to one piece of hardware will typically churn out stronger results by comparison to a 3rd party who is thinking about several pieces of hardware.

Let's put it this way. I built my first gaming PC around three years prior to the PS4/One releases.
It wasn't because the first party stuff didn't look good, but because many 3rd party games seemed to be running rougher, and looking more blurry/jaggy. Not that there aren't outliers, obviously.

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Segata1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

PS4 and Xbox One were mid-range at best when they launched. Tho 360 and PS3 were doing things like multiple cores at launch that PCs were not yet. PS2/GC/Xbox were all weaker than most PCs of the era. Dreamcast had a good CPU and GPU for 1998. DC's GPU overall was better than the Voodoo 2. So it really depends on the era.

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XBManiac1946d ago

Maybe the problem will be on developers side this time, with a longer period of games launched under lower, old gen, specs. Have in mind that all games will have to be compatible with 2013's Xbox One. So improvements will rely on Raytracing activated, higher resolution, better textures and higher frame rate, as well as loading times... not better physics, IA, mechanics, VR or world size. I hope this does not stop PC games development for more than two more years.

Lennoxb631946d ago

3rd parties will not be forced to support the Xbox One family of consoles. 1st parties will.

SyntheticForm1946d ago

I actually think things get better at mid-gen. The hardware is more fully understood by developers and thus better harnessed leading to some impressive results with software.

So, while the hardware is aging, developer mastery is increasing.

Nu1945d ago

I hate you Ted Cruz /s

MadLad1945d ago

Stop sounding like me looking myself in the mirror in the morning.

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GtPawnSacrifices1946d ago

Great to see a powerful console again. Been a long time since 2001.

MadLad1946d ago

I assume you're talking the original Xbox? It really was a powerhouse for the time.

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babadivad1946d ago

360 had the first unified shader GPU ever. This was then put into all ATI/AMD GPUs. Both the PS3 and 360 had cutting-edge tech in them.

Zeref1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

Yup consoles haven't been on par with high-end gaming PCs since OG Xbox.
Xbox One and PS4 generation were definitely underpowered. Barely on par with low-end PCs.
Xbox One X was a return to form for Consoles, it was on par with mid-end PCs.

Now Series X goes head to head with High-end PCs

ossyc1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

Yeah it’s amazing for the cost. However it will be only closer to the PC in terms of power for the first 12 months. Within 6 months of release Nvidia will drop a new card, so that’s a generation behind right there. After 6-8 years of its console lifespan it will be 8 generations behind a high end PC which are never static. That’s why people buy a Pro version after a few years. Like I said before, still amazing for the price

sizeofyou1946d ago

But ossyc - you don't know the price?? 🙃

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KaiPow1946d ago

The 360 had some good specs but the negatives (mainly lack of actual storage early on and wireless internet) felt like the PS3 was leading that one. Shame that the Cell processor was notoriously difficult to code for, leading to ports that underperformed compared to the 360.

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Sophisticated_Chap1946d ago

Hopefully Nvidia will deliver on the 50% improvement on performance rumor that is flying around, because you'd have to be completely out of your mind to purchase a 2080 Super or 2080TI right now, with the steep prices they are asking. The big Navi and Ampere announcements can't come soon enough, since I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do for my next PC build.

I'm worried about PC parts prices rising, not only due to the Covid19 virus, but also due to the fact that once console manufacturers start ramping up production, along with any new smart phones that might be launching later in the year, system memory, NAND flash memory, CPUs and GPUs might become scarce, and then we'll be looking at major price hikes.

These are the perfect conditions for a major storm in the PC parts market, and I'm not liking it too much. I might just bite the bullet, and go out and build a new system with an R7 2700X, a B40 Tomahawk MAX mobo, 32GB DDR4 Memory, a 2TB NVMe drive, and then wait on the new GPUs to launch later this year. It's a tough call.

NoLifeLoser1946d ago

Do yourself a favor, get a 3700X instead of 2700X.

Sophisticated_Chap1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

That would be a good way to go, but right now, the R7 2700X is going for $235.00 (CDN) vs $399.00 (CDN) for the R7 3700X, and with buying all new parts, I want to keep costs reasonable. I figure that the area where I will be willing to spend more, is with a new GPU. With the way I've got everything figured out so far, after taxes, I'm sitting just under $1,200.00, and that is without the GPU. I'm keeping my old case and PSU, which will keep costs down a bit too.

RazzerRedux1946d ago

Depends on what resolution he will be running. At 4K, games are going to be GPU bound, but at 1080 or 1440 the CPU will take a lot of the load.

DonkeyWalrus1946d ago

If you want to save some money go with 16gb ram instead. It will be more than enough. Use the savings for a better cpu and x570 board. 3600 is around the same price as the 2700x and offers better performance. Only advantage of the 2700x is 2 more cores, but they wont have much of an effect on gaming.

sprinterboy1946d ago

Haven't components been in short supply with mining rigs also, then add Covid19 to the mix.
PC prices will definatly go up, I remember the prices going up on hdd after the Japan tsunami.

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LordoftheCritics1946d ago (Edited 1946d ago )

The rumoured 3x series Ampere gpus to have 2x the power of the 2080ti is too damn exciting.

Waiting for GTC in march.

Don't build a pc till atleast these gpus are out.

FernDiggidy1946d ago

I bought 3 of them for my C4D Octane rendering. Oops lol

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