Activision wants revenge on those who leaked the brand new Call of Duty: Modern Warfare battle mode. The company issued a subpoena against Reddit to expose the culprit.
How is it their fault the game glitches and lets you in? Blame yourself Activision.
Was gonna say the same, leaks should not be a lawsuit type of offense. The company screwed up so get it taken care of on your end, any gamer is gonna take early access if they can.
It's only a lawsuit if the leak was leaked by someone with an NDA. Accidental discovery, and then reporting, is not a litigious offense. If they streamed some of that stuff, then they can be slapped with a DMCA claim, but that can't go straight to litigation or resolution without it first being hit with a DMCA claim, and giving the offender a chance to take it down. Digging into code that is made available to you isn't illegal, although reverse engineering can be if it is used for more than this. A person using an exploit, or the software or released product, or some company released info doing more than it was intended, is not the fault of the person who relays it to others. Think this is more posturing on Activisions part. An exploit is something done with provided code, and it's not illegal for the user to use such exploits to get to parts of software that are not meant to be exposed. If they wanted to keep it secret, maybe they shouldn't have released that code in the first place. The best Activision has here is a copyright infringement suit, and posting a single picture, with information about that picture, is most certainly under fair use. I'm surprised the court ever issued this subpoena, and I hope that reddit fights it on principal.
I don’t like call of duty anymore.
It's just them flexing their corporate muscle trying to intimidate and discourage future leakers. Whether it holds up is irrelevant, people will remember them trying. Hopefully reddit can tell them to legally go do one, I can't imagine it's binding.
cuz you agree to the terms when you play the companies software. those agreements no one reads
“cuz you agree to the terms when you play the companies software. those agreements no one reads” If a game has a glitch that lets people play an unannounced game mode then that’s on them. I don’t care what “those agreements” say.
While true, in this case, the code provided the user allowed them to get to the information. It may not have been the intent of the developers to allow that to happen, but that doesn't make the user culpable for potential illegal activity just because they signed a license agreement. The license agreement also doesn't cover what you can report about when you find something in said provided code. There is some precedent when it comes to using, or reporting exploits publicly, but that is really only held up when it comes to data security breaches involving a 3rd party using the exploit to harm another 3rd party, or in rare cases, the 1st party. Nothing done here seems like it's worthy of a lawsuit. At most, a DMCA claim, which would be the proper step to take for copyright infringement, but even then, the information reported falls under fair use in the way it was reported.
That load of crap you agree on have no legal standing in almost all countries in the world. Its mainly for US. Also they cant sue anyone with the EULA, its main purpose is so THEY dont get sued by the user.
Yeah f#ck you Activision piece of sh#t.
They are not going after the glitch ones. Its the one that leaked the actual warzone image
On the Reddit page he commented that he got the image from an inside person which is probably why Activision is going after him to find out who that inside person is.
It was. Meeeeeee
No it was I! I AM SPARTACUS!
I broke the dam
I feel like they heavily teased a BR mode would arrive back before launch, what's the big deal? Would be cool if they went Apex style and released it standalone as a F2P though.
Nah. Keep it in the base game so the audience can reel them in a bit on the MTs they're already dreaming up.
The fbi can’t even get into terrorist phones because apple tells them to pound sand. If Reddit gives that information it’s because they want to, not because they have to.
I'd hope reddit administrators....or whoever is responsible for reddit, does fight this. It seems like it would be easy enough to get thrown out, because there are plenty of cases of exploits getting information like this, and it is in now way a civil offense. Precedent has been set in numerous cases on the subject. About the best they can do is prevent people from playing or accessing the content, either by fixing the exploit, or removing the code. I'm not a big fan of reddit in general, but this seems like a core of how they get information, so it'd make more sense if they stand up for their users on this. If they fight it, and lose, then at least they tried. If they just rolled over, I think it would shake a lot of faith in them, although I doubt it would stop these kinds of things from happening.
Way more to gain in sticking up for your users than kneeling to a company like activision for absolutely no reason. I’d wipe my ass with that subpoena. That’s a slam dunk PR dream and they would be foolish not to use it, I doubt they comply. Who knows if reddit is run by rational people though.. probably some lefty loon police statist who thinks it’s a swell idea lol.
Reddit admins our snitches
Wouldn't be the site admins who would get served, or be required to follow the subpoena. That would be on the people who own the site. Like if it were N4G, Christopher wouldn't get served and be required to comply. Law enforcement can't even compel him to comply unless he was given that authority. The owners of the site would be served, and be required to give the information, unless they fight it.
This can't be real.
joke of a company
This will probably get dropped
How about instead of punishing someone due to a leak on YOUR end, work better to make sure that doesn't happen again. Don't want something to leak, then do your damn job and make sure it is not discoverable by users in the first place. Bunch of morons.
Vince McMahon: ITS ME Activision. It was me all along Activision.
Who cares, it's not like we didn't all know that it was coming anyway...
All leaks should be done on torrent sites. Or better yet newsgroups. Let see them try to subpoena any of that LMAO.
The same mode that everyone has known about for months, and accidentally lets players into by no means of their own? Yup, subpoena sounds like the right move to make.
What's that shit ? It's free advertising. And Reddit is a particular audience, not the majority at all. Eat your subpoena.
Oh no, some nobody leaked details of a mode inside a video game that hardly anyone saw, call the legal team! Pathetic.
Ohh, look at all of these lawers. Literally everyone in this thread thinks they know the law - honestly, if you're not already employed as lawyers, you should certainly apply to be one... Or... maybe you don't actually understand the law and what Activision can and can't do. Sure, it may not be 'right' them doing this but it doesn't mean they aren't covered by the terms people agreed to upon buying/installing a game.
The article left out some information. Based on the information provided, I haven't seen anyone actually say anything wrong. At least not anyone trying to seem knowledgeable about the subject. The subpoena apparently isn't about trying to take civil action against the user who posted it, but to ascertain the source of a leak within their company. That is a very different thing than what's being reported here. The article makes it out as if the identity of the person they've subpoena'd is facing legal action, when in fact it's the person who leaked the one image that they are trying to figure out. The website only posits this as a possible reason, instead of the actual reason, which may have been figured out if the website bothered to check the actual filing on the case and what it was about, which my wife, who is a lawyer, was able to do for me since all necessary info about the case was actually posted within the article. It took two minutes of a public record search, which is available for the low cost of a few bucks per record to the public, and any lawyer is going to have a service which provides unlimited access for a yearly subscription price. The person they're trying to find the identity of from reddit doesn't have anything to worry about in terms of recourse, unless Activision decides to pursue a DMCA copyright claim, as he apparently was in possession of stolen property....but I doubt it will come to that unless he refuses to cite his source. Reddit doesn't take users personal info, so the most they can provide is an IP address the post was made from. I'm unsure if they keep records of such things, and since they deleted the post, they aren't required to keep that record anymore, so if they didn't, it can't go anywhere else. If they don't have the IP address of the post in question, it becomes coincidental that he may have ten thousand other posts under the same IP, and reddit shouldn't be compelled to provide the info because subpeona's are much like search warrants in this instance, where they will ask for specific information, and anything else is not admissible to the case.
Haha and now there's 60 people and counting claiming to have been the leaker on the r/GamingLeaksAndRumors subreddit, where I'm pretty sure this all originated
This is some petty bs considering you only need to choose a map and go into codcast mode to see the entire BR map. What exactly does Activision have to gain here but bad PR?
F off Activision ya corporate scum.
I wonder who it could be. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Lol good luck
Holy sh*t! If this goes through it will change the landscape of what is leaked on Reddit.
everyone is a lawyer today. can i get business cards so i can contact some of you for legal advise.
Like you need to go to Harvard to understand that Activision has no right to Reddit user data lol. For whatever reason. Sure they can sue after Reddit rejects hunting down the evil cod picture leaker. And they can lose like these cases always do.
If someone used this glitch to search the area for nice little hiding spots ready for launch then these people should be banned for exploitation to gain unfair advantage so if this is their case I'm all for the ban hammer
Lol who cares game sucks anyway
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