At just 15cm tall and 8cm wide, this small gaming PC build might not have the might of an RTX-powered machine, but it's damn capable for its size and price.
Yeah OK.... Nice sarcasm there... The OK means 360$ for a tiny gaming pc.... Which still cant outrun...no.. No.. Cant even imagine to run games like gow, lou2, uncharted 4,horizon zero dawn like the Base ps4 model at... 290$ even after all these years... Thats why we say gaming Consoles and no gaming pc. And what gaming pc...they lost all the AAA exclusives with the Best graphics engines from the Master Race era.... Half life, doom, far cry, crysis, quake, unreal tournament... So OK
You know, there are more games to play than "exclusives" for different platforms. Not everyone needs to play AAA title games to enjoy games. Also, "they lost all the AAA exclusives with the Best graphics engines from the Master Race era", clearly, you have no idea what we have to scale back to get games looking great but still keep the game running at 60fps. PCs handle intense graphics no problem, even if it has $290 worth of components.
I get where you are coming from, but 100% disagree. You would specifically buy memory, CPU, MB, and GPU based on its ability to support and run game engines and technologies that you wouldn't for other uses of the PC. "Build a PC for gaming" is the same as "build a gaming PC". By your logic, people "build a car for racing" and not "build a race car".
I am using the '$', what currency do you think I'm talking about?
And the One S is normally below $250 for a while now, so why would it be a 'deal' to get it for that price?
And I got the same deal everyone else did on the Google Store (which comes up every two or so months there) as well as what people got for half of December last year. The console, like the One S, has reached its "lowest point" that it seems MIcrosoft wants to get to for sale prices. One S is $199, one X is $250.
If we are being generous that can be called a entry level gaming PC. However is a build more oriented for a HTPC to be honest. It would work eSports games. But for anything more graphically intensive it wouldn't be a very good experience unless you are looking for 720p/30fps on low.
At this point I think you are better off getting either the PS4 or XOne basic models. They will cost you less and will play games better. Or for more or less the same value you can get a Xbox One X that will blow this small PC out of the water.
This is why you have to have an asterisk when one boasts about a gaming PC being more capable than a console. This thing the author built is extremely limited on games it can play. It is beneath a potato.
The author isn't suggesting this PC is more capable than a console. Only that it costs "about" the same.
Common sense says not all PCs are more powerful at gaming than all consoles. No asterisks needed. It just isn't true. Same applies when some fans brag that the "best version" of a game is on the most powerful console: Xbox One X. Not necessarily true.
I never said the author suggested so. Also common sense isn't so common. About the Xbox One X - it usually has the best version of a game among consoles. The PC is a variable - from unplayable to maximum settings. The current gen consoles don't have an 'unplayable state' with games. The asterisks would mean terms and conditions apply
Then there is no "this is why" as far as the article is concerned at all. No PC gamer would brag about this PC as far as gaming.
"About the Xbox One X - it usually has the best version of a game among consoles. "
"Among consoles" is a condition that has to be included that isn't always. Thus, the need for asterisks, as you say. But those who boast about the power of One X don't always think that through and are often reminded.
"The current gen consoles don't have an 'unplayable state' with games. "
Sure....as long as you include that "current gen" condition. Without it, that statement is completely false. There seems to be this need to keep the discussion on consoles as tight and parameterized as possible while being all-inclusive when it comes to PC: "from unplayable to maximum settings". But with consoles we can only include "current gen"? lol....ok
"The asterisks would mean terms and conditions apply"
lol those who brag about ONE X are obviously bragging in comparison to direct competing hardware of which the variable PC isn't included. Obviously the PC can be pushed further ££££ - the locked hardware can't. Obviously when the PC card is played it's because there's no counter-argument when the consolers are arguing between themselves.
The console is treated as generations. The PC as a whole isn't. The vast majority of the console audience migrate to the latest gen this is why one must include the condition 'current gen' lol. The author's £300 'gaming PC' is heavily compromised. Obviously, for the same price the ONE X can be found cheaper running rings around the author's 'gaming pc'. Place the asterisks wherever you deem fit.
"lol those who brag about ONE X are obviously bragging in comparison to direct competing hardware of which the variable PC isn't included. "
lol...oh, so you insist PC gamers need "asterisks" when they "brag", but when console gamers brag about having the "best version" then PC gamers must silently abide these unspoken "terms and conditions"?
No, you don't get it both ways. And it isn't up to you, regardless. PC gamers are free to speak when they please despite your insistence that they "not be included". Oh.....unless it is the PC in the article. Yes, that piece of crap non-gaming PC you want to include. LOL
" Obviously when the PC card is played it's because there's no counter-argument when the consolers are arguing between themselves."
Xbox One X is clearly more powerful than PS4 Pro. There is no counter-argument to that either so you are not making a valid point here at all.
"The console is treated as generations. The PC as a whole isn't. The vast majority of the console audience migrate to the latest gen this is why one must include the condition 'current gen' lol.
The vast majority of the PC gaming audience do not have "heavily compromised" non-gaming PCs such as the one in the article. The vast majority of PC gamers have PCs that are more powerful than the vast majority of console gamers which consist of base PS4 and base Xbox One owners. Fact. Steam hardware surveys prove it.
"Obviously, for the same price the ONE X can be found cheaper running rings around the author's 'gaming pc'."
Hell, Xbox One can be found cheaper running rings around this PC. That's the point. It isn't a gaming PC at all.
" PC gamers are free to speak when they please" awwwhh I hope they are. Although I never spoke about PC gamers. I spoke about the gaming PC not being direct competitors with consoles especially in 'console war' debates.
Keep standing up for the PC gamer since they're the minority in 'console war' debates at least on this site.. Someone has to do it. It doesn't make a great deal of sense to me why the PC is included in 'console war' debates if not because there isn't a counter-argument when talking power lol.
The PC is conveniently introduced in console war debates. This author's potatoe PC reminded me of that. I have nothing against PC gamers. I never knew the PC was a part of 'console wars'. I've only seen it introduced as a matter of convenience.
"Keep standing up for the PC gamer since they're the minority in 'console war' debates at least on this site.. Someone has to do it. It doesn't make a great deal of sense to me why the PC is included in 'console war' debates if not because there isn't a counter-argument when talking power lol."
Someone should have told you that this isn't a "console war" debate site. It is a gaming site. PC gaming is included. Are you going to chide Xbox One gamers of their "minority" status on n4g? Someone has to do it, right.
And as I said, there is no counter-argument to Xbox One X as far as consoles are concerned so.....what's your point again?
Either way, you brought the console war debate to this PC gaming discussion. That's entirely on you.
"The PC is conveniently introduced in console war debates. This author's potatoe PC reminded me of that. I have nothing against PC gamers. I never knew the PC was a part of 'console wars'. I've only seen it introduced as a matter of convenience."
And conveniently you jumped on this "potatoe" because you saw it as an easy "PC gaming" target. PC is part of the gaming "power" wars as you have clearly shown here in this discussion.
If you don't want to talk about PC gaming.....don't talk about PC gaming. It is that simple.
" And as I said, there is no counter-argument to Xbox One X as far as consoles are concerned so.....what's your point again?"
Exactly. Which is why the PC is conveniently introduced in a console debate lol.
" And conveniently you jumped on this "potatoe" because you saw it as an easy "PC gaming" target"
"jumped on" Whoa - lol if that's how you see it. Feel free to defend as you're already doing.
" Someone should have told you that this isn't a "console war" debate site."
It might not be but that is predominantly what happens here on a daily basis. What do the comments in the hottest articles consist of? The PC is hardly spoken about and is usually only introduced as a matter of convenience in console debates. That is all.
" Either way, you brought the console war debate to this PC gaming discussion. That's entirely on you."
There hasn't been a console war debate brought here. There's been a point made about the occasional relevance of PC in console debates. You were the first to mention a specific console. "Xbox One X".
" PC is part of the gaming "power" wars as you have clearly shown here in this discussion."
How could the dynamic, ever so modular PC be a part of "power" war? lol! I've only shown why the PC should not be included in console war debates.
"Exactly. Which is why the PC is conveniently introduced in a console debate lol."
lol....you mean inconvieniently introduced as a counter to console's superior gaming capability that many Xbox One X owners choose to believe.
"Whoa - lol if that's how you see it. Feel free to defend as you're already doing."
Defend what? This PC you've clinged to? lol....where did you get the silly idea I was defending that thing? Are you even reading?
"It might not be but that is predominantly what happens here on a daily basis. What do the comments in the hottest articles consist of? The PC is hardly spoken about and is usually only introduced as a matter of convenience in console debates. That is all."
Oh....and so you are here yapping about PC gaming....why? "Hardly spoken about" "matter of convienience".
Yeah....hottest articles. That's your argument now? So you are going with n4g popularity as an argument? Seriously? I guess you need to be a PS4 fanboy to join the majority, don't you? You don't see me bitching and whining like Xbox fanboys about this site, do you? "why isn't this site more fair to PC gamers?" lol..whining nonsense.
"There hasn't been a console war debate brought here. There's been a point made about the occasional relevance of PC in console debates. You were the first to mention a specific console. "Xbox One X". "
Yes, I brought up the most powerful console on the market: Xbox One X, because we were talking about gaming power, obviously.
As far as console war, again, that is entirely on you. Your words:
"I spoke about the gaming PC not being direct competitors with consoles especially in 'console war' debates." "since they're the minority in 'console war' debates at least on this site.."
In fact, you were the first to say "console war" despite your "occasional reference" bullshit. Facts suck.
"How could the dynamic, ever so modular PC be a part of "power" war? lol! I've only shown why the PC should not be included in console war debates."
Because you made the lowliest of PCs part of that power war. YOU.
"This is why you have to have an asterisk when one boasts about a gaming PC being more capable than a console. This thing the author built is extremely limited on games it can play. It is beneath a potato."
'Oh....and so you are here yapping about PC gaming....why? "Hardly spoken about" "matter of convienience".'
It takes two to tango.
first you brought up a specific console, then you rose up like a knight in shining armor to stand up for PC gamers. That came out of no where: " PC gamers are free to speak when they please" considering I didn't even talk about PC gamers lol.
" As far as console war, again, that is entirely on you. Your words:"
again, it takes two to tango. If there had not been a mention of the Xbox One X. We would not have arrived at the mention of 'console war'. Facts don't have to suck. They're just that, facts.
" Your words speak for themselves."
They do but it is still difficult for some to grasp or comprehend, and to make it clear again - The asterisks must be included since the PC is a variable hardware ranging from unplayable to max settings. Probably best not to include it in debates with locked hardware(consoles).
"They do but it is still difficult for some to grasp or comprehend, and to make it clear again - The asterisks must be included since the PC is a variable hardware ranging from unplayable to max settings. Probably best not to include it in debates with locked hardware(consoles)."
Yes, it does seem you are having a hard time comprehending the fact that consoles are variable as well. Xbox One, PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X all vary in power levels. It is already a BS "debate", as I said, because you already know who the winner is. Including PC makes it harder to crown your king and you simply don't like that.
Yeah which is why it's pointless including a non-console in a console debate. 'but.. but my PC*' - We know what " Xbox One, PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X" are but we don't know what your PC* is. It could be a potatoe like the author's or a leviathan. That is all.
Plus he did that to keep the costs down to "roughly" the same as a console.
What the "journalist" failed to grasp is that I could buy a Xbox One X for less than the retail price on Ebay as well, which makes this article pointless.
"At around $300, this seem like a really good PC for mid to lower tier gaming."
It is a good PC for achieving a small form factor, but it isn't a gaming PC and cannot have the option to become a gaming PC as there is no way to add a GPU.
"By the way, based on the comments, why does it seem like the usual suspects have so many problems with this article?"
lol....right. So everyone would jump on board if I wrote an article about how Ouya is a "really good" console? Just stop.
You know Noctis has to make at least 1 pro Ninty, 1 white knight Xbox, and 1 anti-PS fan comment a day right? Don't worry - he's just doing his dailies!
“ You know Noctis has to make at least 1 pro Ninty, 1 white knight Xbox, and 1 anti-PS fan comment a day right? Don't worry - he's just doing his dailies“
But this is a PC article. So what do Sony, Nintendo, or Xbox have anything to do with my comment? And Anti-sony fan? Have you seen some of their comments on this articles or any other articles that aren’t related to Sony?
“It is a good PC for achieving a small form factor, but it isn't a gaming PC and cannot have the option to become a gaming PC as there is no way to add a GPU.”
It is not a gaming PC. But it can play mid to lower tier games as I had said, and at that price, it is indeed really good. Obviously gaming PC costs more than that, and we all know that.
“ lol....right. So everyone would jump on board if I wrote an article about how Ouya is a "really good" console? Just stop”
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Are you telling me these usual people have no agenda whatsoever on articles like this?
We agree on that. I wouldn't call it "really good" at anything except being a base PC with a small form factor, but for low level, 720p gaming....yeah, it is what it is. I would probably agree that it is "good" if had the ability to be upgraded with a beefier GPU, but it just doesn't. As it is, it has an extremely short lifespan in gaming unless you just want to play the same older games over and over. To me, that's not "really good" at all.
"Are you telling me these usual people have no agenda whatsoever on articles like this?"
Yeah they do. They are mocking this so-called "gaming PC" that the author "built" (most of it was pre-built) and wants to brag about for some reason.
So what other agenda is there that has gotten you all twitchy, eh?
"If they can come up with a better build than the author had at the same price point, then I’d love to see that (and would agree with their mocking). Until then, I don’t think they have any rights to mock the author for this article and their experiment with building a cheap-ish PC that can run some modern games."
Ok....but that is not an "agenda". You just think we are wrong for mocking this build. That is fine, but next time just say that and cut out the "agenda" bullshit. And as someone else pointed out, the price point is crap as they are buying shady Windows keys on ebay. This isn't even accurate. Add another $99 to the price.
“ Yeah they do. They are mocking this so-called "gaming PC" that the author "built" (most of it was pre-built) and wants to brag about for some reason.“
If they can come up with a better build than the author had at the same price point, then I’d love to see that (and would agree with their mocking). Until then, I don’t think they have any rights (nor reason for that matter) to mock the author for this article and their experiment with building a cheap-ish PC that can even run some modern games at an acceptable framerate.
This is such a weak article. No pictures of the actual build/building proces, No performance metrics, and barely a discussion on the difference between this desktop and a console device.
Where is keyboard and mouse? When you buy a console you get s controller. Where is Blu-ray drive? Both PS4 and xbox have optical drive Where is hdmi cable and headset?
If you want a gaming PC that can outperform a base PS4 or Xbox One. Then buying a second hand Dell optiplex system with a 4th gen i5 and throw in a 5500 xt inside it or a second hand gtx 1060.
Or if you want all modern tech. Something like this: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com... better than PS4 and PS4 Pro and Xbox One and Xbox One X at 1080p for £402. Plus it's all upgradable so if you want to buy in a better CPU inside and a better GPU or add more RAM you can to compete with a XB SX or a PS5.
@iammason I don't see Half Life Alyx coming to PS4 🧐'' Isn't that a VR game? ''Enjoy paying to play online 😊'' but then people like you beg for PS exclusives to be on pc lmao
Ya I got the Ps pro or 200$$ last year.(craigslist angry girlfriend) and an xbone x for 205 thanks to kohls weird black Friday deals,so 400$ and some change, and both destroy my alienware alpha r2 (unless I spring for the external gpu dock and a gpu go put in the dock
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"I Built a Tiny PC"
Fixed. That is NOT a gaming PC. It is just a tiny PC. This isn't even gaming related at all.
$250 Xbox One X (common price for the console) performs way better than that.
If we are being generous that can be called a entry level gaming PC. However is a build more oriented for a HTPC to be honest. It would work eSports games. But for anything more graphically intensive it wouldn't be a very good experience unless you are looking for 720p/30fps on low.
At this point I think you are better off getting either the PS4 or XOne basic models. They will cost you less and will play games better. Or for more or less the same value you can get a Xbox One X that will blow this small PC out of the water.