No Exclusives on Series X Until 2022. Genius or Folly?

Alex S. from Link-Cable writes: "As I sit here, writing these words we are roughly 11 months away from the launch of the next generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft. This means that, as we countdown to release day we can expect new bits of information to trickle out, painting the picture of what we will be asked to buy come November. And while hearing about new games and features is par for the course, sometimes something truly surprising is revealed that completely changes our perception of what is to come. And last week, during an interviews with MCVUK – Microsoft did just that."

[MrDead]

Digital Foundry Staff are already questioning this decision.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xb...

[Obscure_Observer]

"Matt Booty said that all Xbox Games Studios games released this year and possibly next year will be playable on Xbox One. It's very clearly not set in stone and will probably only affect a couple games that were probably already in development for Xbox One. Nothing to really get upset about."

This guy gets it. ;)

[Kingthrash360]

Xbox next generation wont truly start until 2022...all 1st party games will be held back until then......how is this genius? All people will buy at launch is a this gen refresh not a next gen console

[leejohnson222]

HahhahahHhH I can't catch my breath

[thatguyhayat]

You and him dont get it. It literally gives you no reason to even buy one at launch

[Obscure_Observer]

@Kingthrash360

"All people will buy at launch is a this gen refresh not a next gen console"

How many years takes a AAA game to be developed, again???

Are you saying that "true next gen" game developement for the PS5 started back at 2015-2016?

[sibyl1]

Obscure_Observer

"Are you saying that "true next gen" game developement for the PS5 started back at 2015-2016?"

There were rumors of PS5 dev kits way back in 2017. So yes, it's definitely possible that PS5 games have been in development for 3+ years.

And this choice isn't being made by Microsoft for developmental reasons it's because their priority isn't to sell consoles it's to sell gamepass subscriptions.

[CaptainHenry916]

And this is one of the reasons you don't need to buy a Series X at launch. If you have a Xbox one you'll be fine :)

[Zeref]

No game in the first 2 years has ever taken full advantage of the console lol.

Because it's Xbox this is somehow new to people and it's something to be "concerned" about.

They didn't do this for nothing, They know what they're doing. Look at Halo Infinite on Xbox One X and imagine what that's gonna look like on the Series X. Nuff said.

[GTgamer]

@Zeref
"No game in the first 2 years has ever taken full advantage of the console lol"

Name one game on ps3 and Xbox 360 that even comes to killzone shadow fall and Ryse 🙄 I swear some of you fanboy say the dumbest crap everrrrrrr. They may not get everything out of the hardware in the first two years but they definitely push it in the first two years.

[The Wood]

Man. . .this is sad but predictable. Do the shills ever take a day off?. I know neither zeref or obscure speak for the masses of xbox fans who have the ball's to question Microsofts actions and non actions so I will never hold it against them but mate. . . . .guys like you and a few others are part of the problem why ms are so far behind.

If this was Sony or Nintendo saying this I bet your reactions would differ. In the end, just like this gen, all the shilling, deflection and false lauding did nothing.

What changed Microsoft was the criticism and lack of units sold to the point nobody knows how many were sold and the severe #$$ kicking by its direct rival and another rival that started the gen years after. Now you champion this movement like you always asked for it and expect people to take you seriously. C'mon man, this isn't the end of the world or something that isn't fixable but sometimes you just need to lay off that gaara level defence

[babadivad]

3rd party games aren't beholden to this it seems so I don't really see an issue here honestly. Whatever.

[bouzebbal]

Title is misleading.. Xbox games are all and will all be on pc.. Never exclusive.

[MasterCornholio]

@sibyl1

Well thats definitely possible because the V shaped Developer kit has been in dev hands for a while plus there was a previous version that looked like a PC Tower.

https://i1.wp.com/metro.co....

Granted I'm not expecting any 3rd parties to have kits that early but I'm pretty sure some 1st party studios had them for a while.

But I will add this. Even though they had the developer kits for a while those kits are probably not representative of final hardware. So it's quite possible that some games at launch are not developed for the PS5s final specifications.

[Thundercat77]

Of course... Because history has teached us to trust Microsoft blindly just as you right?

[Bhuahahaha]

lol still gonna w8 for it again, like wait for e3 then wait for e3 again and again.....
this should be called the W8Box

[Army_of_Darkness]

What's the point in getting a next gen console if there are no next gen game offerings? Might as well wait a couple years till they do get some, plus it will be a lot cheaper!
The ps5 will sell a whole lot more at launch if it releases with at least one next gen console exclusive game.

[chiefJohn117]

@GTGamer There was nothing next gen about Ryse and Killzone besides the graphics which can be scaled by hardware like games on PC so you bringing those games up only prove the point it won't hold anything back. Ryse 2 for example could have those next gen graphics on series X while on Xbone it looks like Ryse 1! Everyone wins

[DJStotty]

@king

Please explain how games will be held back when they are made for the Series X, and then dialled down for the xbox one/X?

Just like today, how games are primarily created for the xbox one X, and then playable for the xbox one with downgrades?

By your logic a £20 graphics card is holding back PC games? Consoles are more or less similar to PC architecture, you can program a game for multiple setups, without compromising on quality.

[froy402]

Why even say anything than if it were only a couple of games.

Oh no it goes way beyond that, more like a couple of years of exclusive games. Halo infinite and maybe hellblade should have been the games to show off the series x true power.

Well at least I won't have to go out and buy a series x to play those games, I can just play them on my xbox one.

[Obscure_Observer]

@sybil1

"There were rumors of PS5 dev kits way back in 2017. So yes, it's definitely possible that PS5 games have been in development for 3+ years."

Well, if thats the case, I don´t want to hear any excuses or damage control on why Bluepoint/Japan Studio remake or Horizon 2 (or whatever game Guerrilla is developing since 2017) would not blow up Halo Infinite, Forza 8, Playground´s new RPG or whatever Xbox game out of water between 2020 and 2022.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

You guys make me cringe... fanboys will make a big deal about anything these days.

You want to know what my most played games were this past gen? MULTIPLATS!

APEX, PUBG, RDR2, GTAV, Far Cry, AC, The witcher, Battlefield, COD, Monster Hunter, Rocket League, ARK, Etc.

So the next iteration of these games that release, I will be buying the machine that runs them at the highest fidelity. I'm a simple man

[boneso82]

@GUTZnPAPERCUTZ

"I will be buying the machine that runs them at the highest fidelity."

So you are buying a PC?

[StormSailor]

They know this will be a disaster

[CaptainHenry916]

Actually this will save money for the the gamer's that's on a budget

[kneon]

This is not a bad plan, and it's something I suggested that Sony do as well. By releasing their games on all their platforms they will sell more copies, and games are where the money is.

This will allow people to upgrade on their own schedule. Yes it will mean lower initial hardware sales, but as I said, games are where the money is. And by doing this you keep your existing customer base. For Sony that is a big win since they will likely have sold around 110+ million PS4's by the time the ps5 launches.

[battlegrog]

How ? have you ever heard of a pc ? Thats been the same platform for years. People want all the games on every platform. When will people realize MS has a larger plan to make money than worrying about console numbers. But you wont get it until it happens.

[DJStotty]

@kneon

exactly!!! Hardware within the first couple of years provides 0 profit whatsoever. The money is made on the games/services

[DaDrunkenJester]

Remember some cross-gen games this gen had to completely remove features to support last gen? Mordor had to remove the Nemisis system for the 360/ps3 version. CoD got rid of their co-op mode.

There is nothing that is stopping MS from having an internal dev team assisting their dev studios in porting their games for them to support Xbox One. If that means they have to scale down or even remove features then they can do that while the main dev continues making the game they envisioned.

MS is definitely going to use Halo Infinite as a standout game for the Series X. Denser battlefields, more effects, ray tracing, fast loading, 4k textures, 4k/60fps, 1080p/60fps for splitscreen... they will be utilizing it.

While you'll likely get 720p/60fps on Xbox One, maybe not even get splitscreen and it will look like Halo 5 I'd guess.

[chiefJohn117]

Shhh you talking too much common sense for n4g lol

[generic-user-name]

Do you also remember how the cosmodrome in Destiny 1 had to be made 5-10 times smaller than planned thanks to the PS360 holding bungie back?

[DaDrunkenJester]

@generic

No I don't remember that. I remember then cutting features on old gen. I also remember them cutting out sections of that map to sell later and add into Destiny 2...

[darthv72]

I like that idea. I didnt buy into the 8th gen until roughly 3 years after it started and during that time I was able to still enjoy games like titanfall and forza horizon 2 on the 360 but I knew the better versions were on the xbo. So when I did get the xbo... yup I got those better versions (and for much less).

If their intent is to let the consumer decide when they are comfortable with upgrading, and not missing out on new games in the process... its a great idea. I had been toying with the idea of waiting at least a year or two (like I did previously) and I can still buy new games and play them on my existing system. Obviously there would be some liberties taken on my xbo but when I do buy into the SX then i will have games to take advantage of that system.

[AshleeEmerson]

That sounds awesome. How was it playing a lower quality version and then upgrading and playing a previous version?

I mean I'm most excited about VR and our Exclusives for next gen but I'm EAGERLY!!!!!!! awaiting to play Apex Legends on ps5...

[NXFather]

I agree. It is not genius but, it is smart. They know they won't win anyway. And if this site is to be believed they never will so they have nothing to lose. I do agree with their decision. They know that gaming won't advance enough to miss those extra sales. It will feel so good to be here talking about how next gen games are only a little better and not revolutionary like all the dreamers on this site are hoping for.

[bluefox755]

If even DF is questioning it...

[Obscure_Observer]

Linneman will be the one who´ll be making analysis and comparissons between SX and PS5 first party launch games.

I´m expecting him to eat his words. Time will tell.

[NXFather]

@observer
It's not like he will be honest or like he won't be sensational so you are expecting too much. Thank GOD no one can actually stop Microsoft with going with what is best for them but, can only complain about it. Since I have the X, I don't mind not spending 500+ out the gate. You know since I am a normal bill paying person.

[Unspoken]

Limmeman shills for Sony. Not surprised he is attempting to make this to be a bigger issue than it is. The difference between Xbox One and the X exhibited the same "dilemma". The PS4 ran into the same problem when porting over from the PS3, a cell processor rather than the Xbox One SoC configuration. Where's the fire?

[Muzikguy]

It's almost like they're going to be giving Sony a big head start even though they're releasing around the same time.

[crazyCoconuts]

I don't think this is as big a deal as it's being made it to be.

[NXFather]

@Crazy
It isn't. It is just the usual PS hype. Even if they have next gen games from day one on Playstation.

[DOMination-]

A couple million users will be early adopters. Even if we have a generous attach rate of 50%, you're looking at one million sales for a launch title. MS are maximising their opportunities with the XB1 to sell maybe 10x that.

Is it smart? Very much so from a business point of view. Is it better? We will find out in a few months

[IamTylerDurden1]

Killzone Shadowfall sold about 5 million copies. Breath of the Wild sold over 10 million on Switch alone. Launch exclusives can sell more than a million copies.

I'm purchasing a next gen system day one and it excites me knowing that some PS5 exclusives will take full advantage and be built around the system's unique and advanced features.

Supporting the old gen systems can limit game design when considering the SSD difference. These new SSDs have the potential to really innovate and next gen exclusives will certainly have the advantage of utilizing them for more than just faster loads. If devs build their games with this in mind, the potential is huge. Then, add in the advanced 3D chip, superior power that will allow for more advanced game design, and more potential features that we don't know yet and game design simply has more potential for next gen exclusives rather than cross gen games.

[Zeref]

I know who's gonna make more money on their new games 🤷🏾‍♂️

[AshleeEmerson]

Sony at first... Microsoft has a subscription based service so, it's making good money also.

Their plan isn't a sprint, and neither is Sony's. Their ideas are very much the same but Sony is creating buzz in the background while screaming exclusives... Microsoft is screaming Subscription while working on their first party games in the background.

Yes, I'm pro Sony but their presentations are different and that is the mistake that Microsoft is making. Perception... Their idea will come full circle though and we'll get to see the fruits of their labor.

[fr0sty]

This is as bad as announcing a $500 price point for weaker hardware last generation.

[Zeref]

You're not gonna buy it either way so why the concern?

[generic-user-name]

This is Microsoft's shooting-themselves-in-the-foo t moment of the next gen.

[RacerX]

All we did was "wait" on Xbox One. Wait for this game, or that game. One or two exclusives per year... Wait for the Cloud... Wait for this... Wait for that....
Xbox X seems like another continuation of X1...

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

As everyone is questioning sonys decision to not attend E3 again...in a console launch year...are you PS4 fans going to be forced to buy tlou2 and got on a new console?

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

As *no one*

[ilikestuff]

I’ve read a book where the dude has a sword named folly. Thats an awesome name for a sword. Awesome book too.

[DJStotty]

Do you have a current list of PS5 exclusives?

I would like to see it please. Or are they doing the same?

[1Victor]

So that’s why they’re calling for a forward compatible console. I knew there was something fishy about all the series X game been on XB1

[ReVibe]

I feel this could be subject to change, but tf do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[SolidGamerX]

Massive folly.

[nirwanda]

It's entirely dependent on how they do it, take Forza for instance, if they use the old engine for the Xbox one and build an entirely new one for pc and series x then it could work.
But if they build one engine to service all then it will back fire.

[jwillj2k4]

My god... Forza/Gears/Halo is not going to increase your (expletive) user base. Don't get me wrong, I dont like microsoft gaming AT ALL, but its such a blatant mistake that its pissing me off. They need to clean house, and no not just get rid of the guy at the top, but REALLY CLEAN HOUSE. This is crazy, why havent they learned from their past launches?!? I just dont get it. Putting them down at this point doesnt feel good anymore. I dont know if its arrogance, mismanagement, lack of understanding, not connecting with what it means to be a gamer or all of the above. But not only have the lost, they are just plain LOST.

[SolidGamerX]

So you'd need two separate teams working on the same game to hit two different targets in order to release the games at the same time which sounds like a waste of time, money and resources

[nirwanda]

@armyvetgamer I only own a PS4 and before that just a 360 and before that just about every console known to man including obscure stuff like a cd32.

[Obscure_Observer]

Genius. It´s a pro-consumer policy and should be praised for all Xbox owners since MS´s decision means value for our hard earned money. Don´t want to upgrade? You don´t have to. MS is not forcing you into buying a new console to play Xbox games. You can play future games on your OG Xbox One, One S, One X and PC. Simple awesome.

Besides, most developers NEVER take full advantage of a new hardware specs in its first two years or so anyway. I don´t believe this time will be different.

Imo, most of those so called next gen games will be enhanced current gen games wraped in a "fancy" package.

I doubt differences between PS5 and SX´s first party launch games will be night and day if there´s any difference at all.

February we will know what Sony has for the PS5 then in June we´ll know what MS has for the SX. I can´t wait!

[Chris12]

Totally agree, but some just want to give their cash away to a corporate just to play a couple of games that their shafted PS4 mates can't.

[Atticus_finch]

PS4 is receiving possibly the best games ever made, an entire year before ps5 releases. Yeah someone is getting shafted but they aren't PS owners.
Don't worry about PS, they're going to keep pushing technology forward with an endless supply of experiences as they always done.

[Chris12]

We're not talking about before PS5 though are we? And talk about hyperbole.....

[TheTony316]

Why should early adopters get a gimped experience? The PS4 has a huge backlog and most people who bought one recently won't upgrade for the next 3-4 years.

[kayoss]

Talk about being shafted. Xbox one X came out almost 8 years now and there yet to be any compelling exclusives released for it. But then again, Xbox fans are super experienced when it comes to be shafted by a corporation just to play 3rd party games.

[yomfweeee]

Games will be held back because of this. That isn't a feature for hardcore gamers who will buy the system on release.

[rainslacker]

People could even argue MS hasn't taken full advantage of their current mid gen hardware which is essentially the same paradigm when it comes to releases, so yeah, it would make sense that MS not worry too much about supporting even more hardware features.

If and when ms dev teams say they need to move on, MS will move on. In the mean time, what they're doing is fine if they dont care to really push the envelope of game advancement.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

Really. If mid gen hardware support is anything to go by, I can safely say Series X will be fine. Since MS gave us true 4K and 60fps for current gen Xbox One games, Xbox 360 and OG Xbox games.

PS4 Pro on the other hand... well... lets just say that you know how things turn out

[rainslacker]

Yeah. Except they didn't advance game design at all with it, and no publisher took full advantage of the hardware. The X1X is a well designed piece of kit that is capable of a lot more than what it ever produced. This forward compatibility that people are talking about is no different than the mid gen upgrade.

You and I apparently have very different definitions of advancement and innovation. Prettier graphics is a given, and prettier graphics are not innovation. Sometimes the things to get prettier graphics are innovative, but MS didn't demonstrate doing any of that by means of the X1X.

Truly, the most visible thing MS innovated on this gen was their cloud compute for use in CD3. Despite how lackluster the presentation ended up being, it was probably the most innovative thing that was done this gen.

As far as PS4, I don't feel that it did anything to advance or innovate game design either. I've said it wasn't really needed, and even though I brought one on impulse, I never felt I gained much by it. So, it still supports my other arguments that this theory of forward compatibility is not a boon to the advancement of game design.

In the end, MS isn't talking about mandating this, or doing it indefinitely. They're just saying that for a year or two, chances are, that they will be doing this with their own first party titles. If they want to do that, then I'm not going to criticize them for it. But I will argue against people who act like this idea is a good thing across the board as if it's somehow a mandate and going to go on forever....because even MS hasn't implied that they will require it, or keep it going indefinately.

[bluefox755]

Half the fun of a new gen is seeing what the new consoles can do, and the best looking, most advanced games at every console launch are first party exclusives, not cross gen titles. This is an idiotic move on MS's part. They should hire you for marketing though.

[Chris12]

You think initial games will push the hardware? History doesn't agree with you and the devs haven't had long enough with the dev kits to produce what you think you might get. Perhaps Sony should hire you or their marketing team eh?

[leejohnson222]

Who are you trying to convince? Pro consumer? They are a company trying to attach sales of a new product that has zero identity as all software is available without buying the new device they want to sell. This shows their direction towards the pc market where they can stop making xboxs and just provide services. If you think this is for the consumer you need professional help.
Could you bring up any more points to damage control this aweful news. Hey guys we have a new system but nothing on it can't be played else where so if you feel like spending money, do it, if not that's cool. FFS

[GTgamer]

So why even announce the series X now if the games your making can be played on current hardware 🙄why not announce series X in 2022 with even more better specs since that's when they wanna take full advantage of the console 😐 please continue to spin this.

[2pacalypsenow]

So holding back new games for older consoles is genius?

https://www.reddit.com/r/xb...

I guess MS has all of y'all drinking that kool aid.

[I_am_Batman]

I completely reject the notion that people are feeling forced to buy a new console, just because their current one won't be supported any longer. That would imply that customers expected current gen consoles to be supported indefinitely. This simply isn't the case, and it won't be the case here either. There will be a cut-off date eventually. What you call "forcing" is still happening in this scenario. It'll just happen at a later date.

All you're getting is a transition buffer of all first party games being cross-gen for a period of time. While this might be great for people that keep playing on current-gen, it also means that next-gen system adopters might merely get enhanced current-gen games, instead of games that were built for next-gen from the ground up. It's a trade-off, which is why I wouldn't call it intrinsically pro-consumer.

I'm excited about the new possibilities, developers will have in designing their games with the help of the next-gen systems. Going for a smooth transition just isn't as exciting because the variable that changes in this scenario is the ceiling, not the baseline. If PC gaming and mid-gen upgrades are any indication, the baseline is much more influential in determining what to expect from game-design.

[Chris12]

If you think you're getting much more than enhanced games on your PS5 at the beginning of the gen you are going to be disappointed.

[I_am_Batman]

@Chris12
Look at some of the early titles this gen:

-Killzone: Shadowfall
-Infamous: Second Son
-Driveclub
-The Order 1886
-Until Dawn

Would you call these enhanced PS3 titles? Now keep in mind that the PS5>PS4 will be a much bigger leap in almost every way, especially in the CPU and I/O department, which could have major effects on game design decisions. I think you're being way too pessimistic.

[Chris12]

None of those games couldn't be played on a PS3 with lower graphical settings. They are just better looking titles based on existing formulae. Other than graphics how did these titles push gaming forward?

[Dovergamer]

I am Batman:

"All you're getting is a transition buffer of all first party games being cross-gen for a period of time."

"Going for a smooth transition just isn't as exciting because the variable that changes in this scenario is the ceiling, not the baseline. If PC gaming and mid-gen upgrades are any indication, the baseline is much more influential in determining what to expect from game-design."

Ladies and Gentleman, this guy, this guy gets it.

He simply gets it. It is exactly what it is.

[Father__Merrin]

lol

[SolidGamerX]

Your first three sentences basically says there's no real reason to buy a series X. Its not about being forced its about being inspired and MS isn't inspiring anyone to buy a series X.

[NXFather]

How can you doubt it. They are all humans. Unless Microsoft is that sorry. And it is not genius but, it is smart.

[jwillj2k4]

Then tell me what defines this as a console launch if there is no identifying feature of said launch outside another machine??? It’s essentially just the next iteration of Xbox one x and doesn’t need a big announcement. They’re creating a bunch of steam machines and should be categorized as such.

[RedDevils]

Damn, some people are so stupid I feel sorry for them. LMAO

[FanboyPolice]

You have 82 downvotes. This shows that gaming consumers in generally are kids that don't know better. A company doing several pro-consumers moves in the past years and everyone is taking in bad. What a foolish!. I think Xbox is the place to bet now.

[Battlestar23]

Stupidity at it's finest.

[Stanjara]

No Senua for 2 years uofff!

[DaDrunkenJester]

That's not what this means. It means for all games launching for the next couple years, there will be an Xbox One version as well. Now, it could still mean Senua specifically is 2 years or so out, but there will still be games at launch and after lol

[Stanjara]

It means no...Senua...2...years.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Xbox hasn't had exclusives since most of this gen...

And people out here acting like cross-gen games are some new thing.

[Atticus_finch]

True, Xbox hasn't been known for pushing game development forward. It's better if they leave that to the Sony studios.

[r2oB]

I don’t think the issue is the Series X not having exclusives, per se. But rather the games will be made with the lowest common denominator in mind (Xbox One S). Due to the vast differences in the CPU and other aspects, they won’t be able to take advantage of the power the CPU provides.

I understand not wanting to alienate Xbox One owners and late adopters, but doing it at the expense of Series X early adopters isn’t fair either.

And people aren’t acting like cross-gen games are a new thing. Last gen Microsoft messed up by abandoning the Xbox 360 for the Xbox One by moving development of ALL the late gen games to the Xbox One mid development to make them launch titles. This time they are messing up by making ALL Series X launch titles comply with older hardware. Sony is taking a smarter approach, releasing games like TLoU 2 and Ghost of Tsushima for PS4 owners and late adopters, while also focusing on new console owners by releasing games built for PS5 and the inevitable cross-gen versions of late PS4 games. Best of both worlds, without sacrificing one.

[DaDrunkenJester]

So basically you're saying they are damned if they do and damned if they don't lol

[r2oB]

No, Im saying they should release games on the Xbox One that are designed for the Xbox One AND release games on the Series X designed for the Series X separately. Not release the same game on both platforms at the same time, where the integrity of both may be compromised (Xbox One owners will get a gimped version of the game or Series X owners will feel they are being held back). I though I made that pretty clear when I used Sony as an example, they are releasing games on the PS4 while also releasing games built to take advantage of PS5 separately.

[NXFather]

So what Sony games are you expecting at PS5 launch to revolutionize physics and AI or to set us even with PS3?

[r2oB]

@nxfather

How would anyone know what games will take advantage of the PS5 when they haven’t announced all the launch titles? What I am expecting is for Sony to utilize the strength of the PS5 for games specifically releasing on the PS5. What I am also expecting is launch Xbox Series X games to not live up to their full potential if developers are being tethered to the Xbox One S. If they can only fit 20 cars on screen simultaneously for the Xbox One S, you think they are going to put 40 on screen for the Series X even if it could handle it? You think they are going to make Halo maps double the size for the Series X, than the Xbox One S, with full destruction, even though they could? Those are arbitrary examples, but you get the point, hopefully.

[2pacalypsenow]

Dont we all already know that MS doesn't do exclusives anymore?

They said all their games are on Xbox an PC.

This makes it easier since I can use my Xbox One X and PC, and have no need to buy their new console.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

All your money is still filling their pockets weather its PC or console, doesn't make a difference to them.

[2pacalypsenow]

I have bought most of my Xbox games used, and the small amount of games I do play on Xbox were because they were only on Xbox One at the time.

This is no longer the case so there's no need to buy anything for Xbox moving forward.

PS5 and PC will be my main platforms and I dont buy from their Windows store, strictyl from GOG, Steam or Origin.

[sibyl1]

That's not how PC works unless someone is buying games directly from the Microsoft Store.

[NXFather]

Thank you. I did not expect a statement like this from you.

[ninja2ri]

Its stupid. Dont know why anyone is shock at Microsoft for making stupid decisions? Whats next? They gonna give these stores some machine to verify the main owner of a disc. Thus that person cant lend it to someone? Oh wait that almost happened.

[Chris12]

And you're happy that Sony has already started to shaft PS4 owners by making some games PS5 only? For the players eh?

[yomfweeee]

You have a lovely way to word things.

Yes, I'm happy that the PS5 will have games specifically designed and optimized for it and won't be held back by last gen.

[Chris12]

What if you can't afford a PS5? Still happy you're missing out?

[2pacalypsenow]

I'm happy Sony is putting all their effort into making new PS5 games the best they can be and not worrying about old consoles.

And if you cant afford a PS5, PS4 has tons of great games to play while you save up for a PS5.

[Atticus_finch]

The dif is that PS4 has provided amazing experiences up until the ps5 release. Tlou2 game of the gen is not even out yet.
And it would be very selfish for me to want ps5 games held back because I can't afford it.
Your argument is childish.

[sibyl1]

Yea, I'm still mad that they make games that don't work on my Atari 2600...

[TheTony316]

If you can't afford a PS5 stick with the PS4 until you safed up enough money. Sorry but that's how it works. Just because i can't afford a Ferrari doesn't mean that Ferrari should start gimping their cars. And it's not like the PS4 has nothing to play. PS4 owners have a huge backlog with great games to choose from.

[AspiringProGenji]

And when has that been a problem? By that logic we have been shafted every start of the generation because new consoles always have new games. People can always upgrade when they can. That doesn’t mean they are being shafted if they can’t afford to a new gen console

[RedDevils]

Missing out? Wtf are you trying to say. They're making a Ps5, so of course they are making games that specially available on PS5, if not what the point of releasing a next gen or iteration of their console. Might as well be like a Pc and upgrade the part and be done with it and scrap the whole console. I sound so stupid just for replying to people as numb as this.

[Majin-vegeta]

It's a double edged sword.On one hand it's good cuz no one gets left behind at beginning of gen on the other it's bad cuz there's no reason to upgrade to the newest console till those "only games on said console" start appearing.

[NXFather]

The sword will stay sheathed so long as they make the dollar value they want.

[BlackIceJoe]

This is a huge mistake on Microsoft's part. Because it means there is no reason to buy the new system until 2022 and it gives Sony a huge boost, because people will have bought the PS5 over the Xbox Series X in that amount of time.

[LordJamar]

Plenty reason to buy a series x day one for me

[Atticus_finch]

Xbox fans don't want new games they want old games for a monthly price.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Because it means there is no reason to buy the new system until 2022"

"Microsoft to announce that they are continuing to support the Xbox One until at least 2022"

They're supporting X1 until 2022. Generational exclusives only lasting a year. Lets get our facts straightened out.

[sibyl1]

We'll see, this is just my guess. But I guess that if the SX doesn't sell great they will continue to put gamepass ahead of selling consoles and continue to only have one generation.

[stuna1]

Bingo! There's always someone trying to sugar coat things! This is bad anyway you slice it. Take 3rd party for example, they will 1st and formemost cater to the bigger fanbases, meaning they'll only do as much as needed to offer close parity to what next gen will offer in actual gameplay and framerates. But thinking initially that a game like for instance COD, Battlefield or pretty much any major multiplayer game will have different framerates compared to this gen they're fooling themselves.

3rd party will always cater to the common denominator, and until that changes both PS5 and Xbox series will be held back. Where gamers will see the huge improvements in the quality of games will be in Sonys and Microsofts 1st party studio's, considering they have first hand knowledge of what their consoles are capable of to begin with.

Personally I think Sonys 1st party games will have an advantage out the gate, simply because of what they've done in past generations, expertise and also a large catalogue of their games are strictly singleplayer. Not to mention Sony has gone on record stating PS5 will launch with a nice assortment of launch titles.

Microsoft on the other hand has relied on mainly 3rd party offerings almost this entire generation, and even with a machine almost 2 teraflops more powerful the difference in proformance has been overly exaggerated. Microsoft prefers mainly multiplayer games over singleplayer due to the continuous play factor, but many of Microsofts 1st party multiplayer games suffer from series fatigue. Now with the acquisition of their new studio's anything that is potentially on the horizon probably will take at the very least 2 years to complete and more than likely will take even longer to avoid potential drawbacks associated with development.

[Futureshark]

Folly I'm afraid, no matter how fast the MS spin machine rotates, games sell consoles and why would anyone pay £400 after buying an Xbox One X to play the same game is nonsense.
Only the rich will upgrade until there's a killer app on the new system, and by then Sony will again have the market share of the new generation sales, 2 year's head start this time effectively!!
MS is still stuck in the corner it painted itself into with its whole bad planning for its games development plan and few decent exclusives for the Xbox One. The new studio acquisitions will take along time to gestate new games for the X Series, but instead are being made to produce games for the One instead.
The cart is now in front of the horse.

[2pacalypsenow]

I'm not rich and I'm buying a PS5 on launch.

$500~ is not that much money.

[Az1ner]

Great idea and pro consumer. I take it, means the games that are 2urs out? Everything else is being built for the series X and onward.

[galmi]

Its all PS fanboys screaming gloom and doom, we just wait and see what happens besides, how many 1st party games are released in the first year with outstanding quality?

[Xb1ps4]

is this question going to be asked every day in a different way until series x is released?

crazy how its no longer about games its about playing a game on only one device, I find that a little ridiculous from a "gamers" point of view.

[Atticus_finch]

It is about games, more importantly about pushing the medium forward. But it's fine I'll just safely invest in PS, as always.

[Xb1ps4]

Funny how u used the word forward..

I’m just going to leave it at that. It’s just pointless with a lot of you.

[2pacalypsenow]

It is about games.

Sony is invested in games and wants to push forward the games and technology and they want to focus on the PS5

Microsoft is invested in filling subscription numbers, even if that means games will be limited or held back by old hardware.

[AnotherGamer]

I get the strategy Microsoft is putting for this console, sounds good but in theory. Execution wise, it is a huge risk.

[Christopher]

I don't see the issue.

We can have PC games release for tons of cards/specs. But we can't have the same for Xbox One/Series X games?

I bought an Xbox One X a year ago. The fact that it will last longer is great for me. It works great for me as a multiconsole owner. I bought the PS4 (better tech, lower price, no forced kinect). Got X and now play games at highest resolutions. Get PS5 and still can play both worlds. Get Series X when it's on sale or when they release a new mid-gen model.

I think this is a great model for me.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

TF1 didn't hurt the X1, in fact it sold more than the 360 and PC thanks to the way MS marketed it. All this remains to be seen though, but this whole doom stuff of course is getting outta hand.

[drpepperdude]

People are acting like this is a PS2 to PS3 gen jump when it's not. But even then we had games come out for both with features missing in the PS2 releases. I don't see why they can't do the same now with the added benefit of not having to completely recode the games between them since Series X and One X are x86 hardware.

[Software_Lover]

Much ado about nothing. Will it hurt early sales, yes. Will it hold gaming and developers back, no.

Next water cooler topic to get bent out of shape over.

[ApexWolf22]

Okay so I’ll wait too, I’m not upgrading just to see enhanced foliage and extra stitches in the clothing....I already did that with the 1X....

[drpepperdude]

If your expecting the jump between current gen to next to be something more than that your going to be disappointed in a majority of the games on next gen. More physics and higher framerates is the only thing I expect different to Xbox One X and PS5.

[gold_drake]

2 full years? geez what was the point of going on a dev shopping spree then lol

[Mister_Wolf]

You realise they got the Devs only last year? It takes time to actually make games.

[leejohnson222]

You can't spin this as a positive for fans especially after all the acquisitions

[bluefox755]

Why would they willingly make themselves less competitive? Unless they're planning to back out of the console market? I really don't get it.

[poppatron]

I think it says much about both the architecture of The next gen Xbox and the way they currently run their business.

All first party games tent to come out on pc day one currently, the technology is scalable and the Xbox games tend to look significantly better on pc.

The new Xbox is going to be the console equivalent of those souped up pc versions, it’s probably no problem for them to move forwards like this.

And the chances are there won’t be huge generation defining true next gen features arriving in games for the ps5 before 2022 anyway, it’s only 13 months after release of the console after all.

[XxExacutionerxX]

So we are mad because Microsoft doesn't want to screw gamers over who just bought a Xbox One. Oh wait, it's just the PS Fanboys normal BS.
At least Phil isn't telling everyone that bought a Xbox One X to hurry up and buy a Series X when it launches.

[galmi]

its what they tried to do with gamepass that devs werent making money lol

[StormSailor]

The most lost decision possible to make at the beginning of a generation.

The idea that the consumer will have in the first 2 years is that the new console is just an Xbox One X Pro and not a real generation leap.

We all know the obvious right? The old generation will keep the games to their limitation.

[drpepperdude]

We didn't see anything this gen that wasn't possible on last gen besides higher resolution and textures. I expect the same with next gen.

[StormSailor]

So untrue it makes me laugh.

It's the "I don't remember what the last generation games were like" syndrome.

Try to imagine a complex open world game with the massive horde of Days Gone running on PS3 Or even games like The Last Guardian and FFXV that were once PS3 projects but could not be developed with the hardware limitation and found light in the next generation.

[THC CELL]

Ps5 Pro will be out when there gen starts officially

[Germaximus]

LOL Welp, no longer need to even consider a day one purchase.

[galmi]

good for you

[Deathdeliverer]

Sad but true.

[RedDevils]

By that time, the pro version will be out lol

[XxExacutionerxX]

Lol, no company/ developer will ever put millions of dollars into a quote "next gen game" when there aren't going to be alot of systems sold compared to last gen. They will lose money.
We didn't see quote true Xbox One/PS4 games until about the second to third year in that consoles life cycle.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Jak and Daxter, and Devil May Cry came out while there were 100 million PS1 consoles out there. Please stop.

[XxExacutionerxX]

All of those PS2 games aren't launch titles, please stop, lol
Also, I like how you picked the PS1/PS2 days of gaming to make a point.
Did you forget about how the original release of God of War 2 released on PS2 and not the next gen PS3. I wonder why.....

[Chocoburger]

With that kind of mentality, we'd never have seen Super Mario 64 at launch. Or Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, or NFL2K at launch. Instead, we'd have gotten slightly enhanced SNES games on N64 launch, and slightly enhanced Saturn games for Dreamcast launch.

AWESOME!
Except its not awesome.

If Microsoft (one of the richest companies in the world -- as their biggest fans always love to remind us) can't be arsed to pour millions of dollars into their games, then I can't be arsed to purchase their console.

To this day, Xbox One is the only mainstream console that I've never purchased. Here I am looking to buy an AV Famicom off ebay, and have absolutely zero desire for an Xbox One, and now, Xbox Series X. Pathetic.

[_LarZen_]

Good for large crowd of casuals. Not so much for the day one enthusiasts.

[Adisoftcafe]

Wait until... we know, we know!

[--bienio--]

What’s the point in this situation to buy new console?

[Tross]

We still can. It’s just recommended you go with a PS5 if you want a proper next-gen experience.

[--bienio--]

I will stick to my Pc.

[CrimsonWing69]

It's just weird. Here's the thing, if there's third party games that are next-gen exclusive then these uninformed late adopters of an Xbone are still going to miss out.

It's not like most who are informed didn't know a new system was coming out in 2020. You will always have late adopters. At some point you cut them off and usher in next-gen. Now, if this is only first party exclusives it makes no sense since to make them cross-gen so people won't feel left out. Third party isn't going to do cross-gen for a year. So, your audience misses out regardless... I mean how many first part games are they going to release in 2 years?

If I'm in the market for next-gen I want games that are next-gen. It's just always been part of the fun of jumping over to next-gen and yes, cross-gen has existed for a long time, but there has always been some kind of first-party next-gen exclusives released on a new console.

On one hand, yes it's pro-consumer in the sense that if you really only play first-party Microsoft exclusives you can wait and buy them on your current-gen console, but you're still going to miss out on the the third-party next-gen games, sooooo... it's hard to see that as a positive.

On the other hand you have a competitor that offers last-ten compatibility, which makes Microsoft's move seem odd (since you can't play Xsex games on the Xbone, but you can play Xbone games on an Xsex), will give exclusive next-gen games at launch, and plays all the third party next-gen games that Xsex will.

If I were Microsoft I wouldn't focus mainly on late adopters, but rather people who are looking to buy a next-gen console and has to pick between theirs or Sony's. Because as a consumer with decision to make, I'd buy a PS5.

[Atticus_finch]

So series X owners will be buying an inferior version of new games just so MS makes a bigger profit. Wow, much pro consumer...

[galmi]

How did you reach that conclusion?

[RedDevils]

Can't you read between the line?

[FanboySpotter]

Weird headline. Fix to: "Cross gen Xbox Game Studios games* no ones knows about 3rd party exclusives"

[galmi]

this has nothing to do with 3rd party at all

[Tross]

MS really likes being a joke, don’t they? It’s like they can’t possibly refrain from screwing up a console reveal. This news doesn’t make me mad in the same way that the DRM fiasco did, but it does have the same effect of me feeling sorry for the diehard Xbox fans as I pre-order the latest PlayStation.

Actually, I’m not thrilled that third party titles may also be subject to MS’s cross-gen rule (I guess it depends on their policy), but hopefully that will translate into more and more third party devs opting to develop games exclusively for the PS5, or maybe just PS5/PC.

[andydalum]

I love seeing things like this because as usual it's xbox so lets bash it in the comments.

PC has done this before for many years successfully, nobody said that they will have the same framerate or graphics output for the new xbox and the xbox one. Even third part games like Ark survival evolved for example is wayyyy better on the xbox one X than it is on a Original xbox one.

Other people saying the only reason to buy a new console is for new games that you can only play on that console also confuse me. I have always upgraded the more powerful system I owned a xbox one, xbox one S and then a xbox one X because I like my games to run smoother and so far they have. We have no idea how long this would last and we also have no idea how it will work with third party studies but let's assume the worst as always since xbox is in the name.

[S2Killinit]

Whats the point of the series x if its games are playable on PC as well as existing xbox consoles.

[franwex]

For people that like console gaming and enjoy the Xbox eco system?

[galmi]

could wait for ps games to come to pc too and play em right?

[THC CELL]

Some games are pc supported on ps now exclusive ones

[Knightofelemia]

When ever you release you want those exclusives to build up hype for the consumer to buy your product. With out any exclusives for two years I might just skip the Series X on launch and just go for the PS5 at launch and just continue to play my XB1.

[galmi]

its technically 1 year, 2020-2021 plus no one releases anything mind boggling in the first year of release

[Realms]

It's all about games that take advantage of the more powerful hardware, if true this is a dumb AF decision but it is MS so we shall see.

[Nebaku]

I think it's hilariously ironic that the one developer of the Big 3 who doesn't have a big enough backlog of great games to coast off a system designed around backward compatibility, is doing it.

[Father__Merrin]

ps5 will have ps5 exclusive games as its a new generation, this was the trend ps1 to ps2 to ps3 to ps4, as was xboxog to 360 to xbox one (for a while) so if xbox one xs wont have any exclusives then thats even more reason to pass up what are they thinking. xbox under matrick was miles better

[franwex]

So if they release ghost of Tsushima for ps5 but was playable also on ps4, you would then decide not to buy a ps5?
I call bs.

[Father__Merrin]

its obvious theres going to be a few cross gen games there always is but the way microsoft is speaking is there wont be any xbox SX exclusives

[Wontime1]

To me, this is being overblown.
Games will take advantage of the latest console, and will be adjusted accordingly on the other consoles.
They're going to develop games with the best hardware in mind.
It's not like they're going to base the games on the hardware from the Xbox one launch console version

[galmi]

its always overblown if its MS, unfortunately not just by fanboys but by journalist also

[OC_MurphysLaw]

will be interesting to see what the library looks like for Series X at launch compared to PS5. Arguably the biggest game coming to Sony this year including their PS5 launch window are Last of Us 2 and Ghosts of Tsushima... both will have PS4 versions and likely cross generational. Is this going to be another Killzone Shadow Fall situation where we have a game that is arbitrarily exclusive to the platform because Shadow Fall truly didn't do anything ground breaking outside of using the dualshock 4 controller features.

[hiawa23]

I am fine with the games also appearing on previous gens Xbox consoles. I assume like the PC games they will be built to take advantage of each hardware much like the Xbox1X version, so they are exclusive as long as they don't appear on a Sony or Nintendo console. PC has always been a big portion of MS's business, so I have no issues with Xbox games also available for Win 10 or PC.

[franwex]

I really don’t see the issue. Every gen we have games that are for both initially. It’s just that you buy 1 game instead of 2. For example last gen if you bought Titanfall for the 360, you couldn’t play it on the xbone. You would have to re-buy it again. This pretty much eliminates that.
Oh but then what’s the point of buying a series X?
Well, pretty much at first just better graphics and slower load times. Like every gen there really isn’t much that pushes the new hardware at first.

[hiawa23]

Agree 100%

[galmi]

dont try to make sense on this site pls, its not accepted here

[rob-GP]

Genius? Sure, it's a good move for all the casuals on the platform who maybe buy one or two games a year, or who only play the GamePass games (which I imagine is the majority of the [redacted] of people who play on Xbox), but it's not a great look for Xbox as a company.

This means that the next-gen is nothing more than a stepping stone, a non-essential upgrade like the X which offers nothing but a more stable framerate and maybe a few more pixels for the few 'hard-core' gamers who want to have the best Xbox out there. This means they either don't have faith in their existing consumer base wanting to move over to a new system or they just don't care about the hardware anymore.

What's going to happen when xCloud officially launches later this year? Will they also allow you to play SX quality games via streaming them to your old original Xbox One? If they do, that's another 'reason' to upgrade your unit out of the window - why do you think PS removed PSNow off the PS3 just before they added PS4 games?

As I said though, for the consumer, it looks like a good move, but from a business perspective, fewer unit sales means less investment from shareholders, less money spent on a product which isn't bringing in the sales to justify its existence, and eventually we have another SEGA - they may give up on consoles altogether and turn into a third party publisher. PS needs competition but MS is literally lay on the floor waving the white flag before the next generation even begins.

[Silly gameAr]

For anyone else, it would be a folly.

[PS4Gamer1984]

Call me crazy but I'm just not hyped for next gen. I think it's only going to be a marginal improvement at best

[galmi]

yup, on both sides

[micdagoat19]

people still buy consoles at launch even after these generations debacles?

[Apex13]

Why would I need to buy it then? I may as well get an xbox x or S. why would they do this? MS cant be so stupid.

[ElementX]

Well, what if those games ran 4k on Series X and were reduced to 1080p on current gen to save processing for other things? Many people consider better graphics worth the price alone, that's why they spend so much on 4k TVs and video cards for PCs. Why did people argue about 900p vs 1080p between One and PS4?

[Kakashi Hatake]

Resolution alone isn't a next gen upgrade. We must have really low expectations for these new machines. The CPU and GPU difference is huge. Games being built around last gen is a huge disservice. Don't know why Xbox fans can't see that.

[ElementX]

It is unfortunate, however final specs may not even be out to devs so they're not going to be taking full advantage anyway until after at least a couple years

[Apex13]

I wouldn’t care. If I can get the same game cheaper on the other system I would. It was like the X why release it with no exclusives? What a waste.

[drunkenspy007]

...this feels like folly. Are we sure they're going down this route?

[Elda]

If this is true this would be another reason for me not to buy an XB console. It seems MS is not getting the concept of what gamers want. Again if this is true then they should release their new console in 2022.

[thornh]

No exclusives at launch = low sales. But, to be fair, we haven't heard what Sony's intentions are either. They may follow the same strategy where some of the bigger games they're releasing this year are available for both PS4 and PS5 but "enhanced" on PS5. Honestly, I don't think they are that stupid and will have, at least, 1-3 true AAA exclusives at launch. Unfortunately I don't expect to see games like God of War until 2021 or 2022. If this is true about Series X exclusives Sony can really get a huge headstart if they can have some killer exclusives at launch.

[Saranya]

The best experience will be on Series X.

nuff said.

[i3eyond the Circle]

And that’s what’s got em sick and losing their IQ

[xX1NORM1Xx]

I don’t think they mean that as a hard rule it’s just the studios they brought in the last year aren’t sitting around doing nothing they are making games and those games being tied to the next gen despite being developed for Xbox one wouldn’t be a very good move because not only are you missing out on sales, you are screwing over your fans that can’t afford a day one purchase of the new console. It was developed on current gen hardware why cut those Xbox one players out?

We had the reverse of this when an article popped up claiming Sony should save ghost of Tsushima for ps5, why would they?? It’s was made to work on current hardware, why would they screw their fans over by suddenly making it next gen exclusive?

Breath of the wild is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time... it was also released on Wii U it’s about respecting your players, anyone arguing for arbitrarily locked next gen games is anti consumer. If you are only buying a next gen console for games impossible on the last gen console you will be waiting 2-3 years anyway because 3rd parties release cross gen games and remakes until the install base is big enough to justify missing out on the old gen sales.

[Artemidorus]

A very dumb move, one of the reasons Xbox became stale.

[i3eyond the Circle]

There’s going to be NO game pushing boundaries of the next gen consoles at launch. There will be no night and day difference between any launch exclusives On either system... you’ll be playing a game your PS4 mates could’ve enjoyed with you while you sit down thinking a system a few teraflops over the One X couldn’t scale back to the PS4 during launch.

You guys are just Sodium enhanced heathens who absolutely need to push this pointless argument because A. You’re system is weaker. B. The majority of 3rd parties will play better on XSX. C. You have no real talking points anymore besides twisting things into your agenda.

Ryse, Second Son, The Order are impressive but do they really overshadow Uncharted 3, Gears of War 3, GTA 5 (last gen) nah...

You guys REEEEALllyyyy think you’ll have a launch ps5 exclusive that can’t run on previous gen and that’s sad lol.

I’m getting the console where the majority of things I will play will be the best.... so at launch let’s compare 4K/60fps games that have co op and multiplayer and a single player one. Sad thing is you probably won’t even have anything to compare for half of that equation.

[Kakashi Hatake]

There's a world of difference from The Order 1886, Infamous SS, and Killzone SF from late PS3 titles.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Because the PS3 was a developers nightmare.

GTA5 (last gen game) ported over to this gen looks better than Imfamous SS an exclusive made for this gen..
Stoooop the foolishness guys.. it’ll be ok.

[Lennoxb63]

They are treating the Xbox consoles like PCs. Right now the One X is it's high end version. The original is it's low end and when the SX realeases it will be the new high end version while the One X will be it's mid end version.

[lazyboyblue]

I notice most PlayStation owners think this is a bad thing, while Xbox fans are delighted.
Nothing to see here.

[Ashunderfire86]

Damage control here! No No just no, Xbox Series X version of those game will have all the advance features and graphics. Xbox One Series X is not going to be held back by Xbox One. There are different teams in charge of working on the many different versions of a game like Halo Infinite for example.

This was a thing when Splinter Cell Double Agent came out, which was a cross generation game! Remember when it came out for the original Xbox and 360? The 360 version had the parachute scene for you to control, but you can't even do that on the original Xbox. Check this out here:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Key differences:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

This game back then was made by separate teams from the same company. It will be the same thing for Xbox Series X and Xbox One.

[Ninjamonkey82]

Mistake tbh, games will run better thats a given. But, Exclusives are the fondation a new system is build upon. I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay and have to wait two years to see if my investment was worth it.

[Npugz7]

Well that sealed the deal for me! I’ll be getting a PS5 this year I was leaning towards the series X but not now. I have a One X that will do the job until 2022 or 2023 if I decide to get one.

[ElementX]

It's disappointing, but another year for previous gen owners isn't so bad. If they develop for Series X and scale back, then fine. I doubt launch window titles will take full advantage of advanced AI, physics, and other stuff anyway. Graphics can be scaled and have been for ages

[Anomander]

Seems pretty straight forward...

"Booty said it's still important that Halo will be "there at the launch of the console, taking advantage of all the features". So even if you play through Halo Infinite on Xbox One first, you'll still have something to look forward to if you play it on an Xbox Series X later."

That doesn't sound like at all they scaling back on the series X one bit.

[Harryvok]

I guess i'll just get a PS5 on launch then. May as well keep using my Xbox One X for a year or so after Series X launches. If they want me to get a Series X on launch, it needs exclusives, not a bit of a graphics improvement.

[jjb1981]

You could tell from the terrible optimization that some ps4 games were just ports at the beginning of that generation. The games didn't really start to look next-gen until a year later. Same went for xbox. Either way it will sell millions over time.

[DonDon3000]

Microsoft needs to fire it's entire Xbox management staff, including Spencer. He talks a lot but his actions are too pittle too late. For 2 generations they were lax on exclusives and now they're gonna start a 3rd like this? This is ridiculous. Playstation's job just keeps getting easier. Guess it's just PC, PS5 and whatever Nintendo has brewing for me next gen. Think i'll skip Xbox for this time around.

[Dovergamer]

Microsoft may be bluffing. We hope they do because no investors and developers will launch their games on the XBOX series X. While Microsoft is interested in gamepass subscriptions Sony PS5 will have four to five exclusive title at launch plus multi platform games. They where working in these since 2017. These exclusive titles will have already 4+ years of development already.

Microsoft is handing out a FREE PASS to Sony PS5. I wonder if the PS5 will sell more than the PS2. Everybody who wants to get fresh great games will go towards the PS5 without the slightest hesitation about this news. I don't know what Microsoft is doing but looks like they are NOT interested in selling consoles whatsoever.

[Donnie81]

It’s called catering to all their customers. Two years of support is kinda mediocre if you ask me. People are just trying to take a very pro consumer move and make it into something bad. Moves like this is all Sony fans got because they know who’s taking over. I promise you halo infinite will melt anything on the ps5. To big of a power difference

[TheTony316]

Wait for E3 2022.

[Kaedro]

Folly.

[Pacifico]

Im an xbox fan breathing a sigh of relief...i can still halo it up and catch up on my ps4 library til im ready to choose what to get. I dont think the graphics will be that much different to ok $500 just yet.

[Parasyte]

Already made the decision to hang onto my One X for another year or two and buy a PS5 at launch. That way I can enjoy both platforms.

[MWH]

look at all the fanboy mess.. when I and my friends get our new consoles of choice we'll have fun playing games together and our families while fools waste time fighting for absolutely nothing.

this hobby is supposed to bring us together, so stop this nonsense and have fun.

think about it.

[Absonite]

Speaking for me personally, this is great news as all I play when I have the time nowadays is Rocket League.

[contra157]

Who cares about the system

[Thundercat77]

Totally folly!

One thing is supporting your previous console with content ( Sony has always supported their consoles to the very end proving how pro consumer they have been since the PS2 days)...

And another thing is the lack of exclusive next gen first party games for your new console which kills the purpose for buying a new console and makes the console feel more like a refresh and all this is being called "pro consumer" by a certain group 😂.

Spin it all you want... You can only fool yourselves.

[JokerDem]

Only on N4G will you see fans stupid enough to hate a Pro consumer choice simply because its Microsoft doing it.

[Redlife2g]

I normally buy both consoles so this will definitely help the wallet this year. Looks like I won't be picking this up until 2022. Thanks Microsoft lol

[RosweeSon]

FullY agree with king thrash360. What’s worse is With no exclusives until 2022 when they do start arriving Microsoft will release another console they’ve already stated as much so this new Xbox is pointless

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

Name 1 ps5 exclusive. And we know that got, and lou2 will be cross gen. So you guys think there will be loads of ps5 exclusive games in the 1st 2 years? Given the launch window lineup of PS4? Ppl were actually saying resogun was a reason to buy the ps4 system because it was so dry at launch ffs.

[battlegrog]

Welcome to the pc world model !

[ironmonkey]

ouch, hold onto your money till 2022

[TommyVercetti88]

For me the most important thing is what platform will support GTA VI the best (graphics,VR). If the Xbox Se X version of GTA VI doesn't support VR i buy the PS5 at launch.

[feenix-5]

Incredible folly

[SierraGuy]

RIP Series-X.

They always screw something up every launch 😁.

[joeynox]

Do you actually think Sony is gonna stop supporting the PS4 in yr 1 ? It makes no sense not to release your games on both gens. It's not like on day 1 the entire install base is gonna upgrade to the next box.

[DafunkyRebel]

I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they had no choice but to keep with it since they started making their 180 super late. I’ll wait till E3 to see what they have. Their 2022 exclusives might actually be pretty dope, but then again

[InUrFoxHole]

N4G now...
Games on both last and next gen will only hold back the next gen! Stupid decision.

N4G then...
OMG! Battlefield 4 looks amazing on next gen consoles.

[P_Bomb]

Takes time to make them. They bought the workforce, now you have to let them work. It’s a transition.

[Miacosa]

Folly for hardware sales but Microsoft is moving to a service based model so as long as you have Game Pass they don't care.

[chiefJohn117]

Well, let's look back and see, What exclusive launched on XO and PS4 for the first 2 years? Did those games set them selves apart? Had they been on last gen would they have been held back?

Ryse had great graphics but gameplay wasn't anything next gen. A graphic downgrade and ya I think he could've released on 360.

Knack?.....

Look I'm not gonna dig any deeper lol. First two years of next gen never release blow us away compared to mid and late gen. I respect the decision that they're not abandoning 1X buyer so early like many tried to argue when it first released. And ppl that complain about MS so called lack of support at the end of gens shouldn't you be happy?

Rather or not it'll hold something back we'll have to wait and see. ( I doubt it will based off PC and history)

[the worst]

Definitely no reason to buy a xbox

[formanbradley]

Folly

[chiefJohn117]

Obviously Genius, this is nothing new and has been done before already. Im one of the few here that not new to gaming and remember cross gen PS2/PS3 games and the cross gen games this gen.

[slavish0]

Like ... breath of the wild? What's the confusion, most gen starts like this. Microsoft = xbox = console& pc. Family of devices. This has been communicated for years now.

[leemo19]

Good luck if its going to take that long. Majority of people buy a console due to the exclusives that come with it. If MS is going to make sure there's equal parity between XSX and XBO in exclusives games, than why bother with a XSX. You pretty much holding back your new console hardware in favor of old hardware. I'm fine with keeping XBO around fazing it out overtime, but do that with multi-platform games not exclusives.

[Good-Smurf]

Are try to pull this just to do a 180 like back in 2013?
Good luck with that because if they do it again they will completely lose their consumer trust,forget consumer friendly they came out swinging confusion just to fizzle out months before their console release which may or may not mattered anymore.
People kept saying it's nothing new no games take advantage of the new hardware early have to realize there are games like Crash Bandicoot,Tekken,Ridge Racer,Ridge Racer V,Gran Turismo 3,Uncharted Drake's Fortune,Resistance Fall of Man,Assassin's Creed,Knack,KZ Shadow Fall infamous second son all came within first year of each Playstation.

[gerbintosh]

I bought the PS3 at launch for Resistance fall of man and the other PS3 only games. Hypothetically, if Sony gimped the PS3 games so they could work on the PS2 then I wouldn't have bought the PS3 at launch. Console exclusive games sell launch consoles, period.

[DaveZero]

Because you know what's going to happen again with this gens consoles on PlayStation or xbox, they will be 2 years if remastered that's why I'm holding out this time on both consoles.

Last gen for a solid 2 years seen nothing but remastered for both xbox and PlayStation, it was a very boring and trying time to be honest and I can't see next gen being any different.

These games consoles developer are not stupid you know, they throw us upgraded new updated versions of old remakes and for a while fans are happy. They monitor these sites to see when the uproar starts through the community and then decide to release when most have had enough of having old crap remastered, then they bring in the New stuff. Its all smart really because it all saves them some years time getting everything ready.

I for one am not happy buying a machine for top coin only to be served with a better looking version of what I've already played, I will wait for a couple of years and keep my old consoles to game off.

[KillBill]

I like how people are now calling it "not Xbox Series X exclusive" as if it really is an issue that we will be able to play them on other Microsoft platforms. lol

[Pyrofire95]

Microsoft might not, but I could see devs making something that requires the power of the next gen.

[BenRC01]

I'd rather have stadia.

[Plagasx]

Ahhhh, PS5 it is then. Thanks for making it an easy early decision for me.

Right now, there's basically no reason to own an Xbox One over a PS4. History will repeat itself it seems..

[CoNn3rB]

Seeing as the biggest criticism of the Xbox One was that it was massively lacking in exclusives, this is by far the dumbest move that Xbox could do

[LEVONZZZ]

Hahahaha what a plan. I still dont understand people like xbox more than Playstation, they are basically the same, PS just has better and a lot more of exclusives. Xbox has gears, halo and forza. Juhu for that 😂

[mark_parch]

The way I see it all Microsoft games will have to be scaled down for low end PC's so they might as well release them on xbox one. Games like Halo and Forza would also benefit from a larger audience.

[quenomamen]

Where are the “Sony needs to learn from MS” articles again ?

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Then there is literally no point in getting one then, especially those that have a One X, and even more so if they game on PC.

[ps3rider]

This would be the most stupid move Microsoft do in years. "If I am buying a next-gen, would be because of the exclusive titles to that gen".

Now also without the first-party exclusive at launch make me and others not interested in the next-gen.

[DJStotty]

Title is misleading.

Matt Booty did not mention "no exclusives until 2022" he merely stated that over the next few years, they are continuing support for the family of consoles. Quote in full

“As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains. “We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we’re committed to them with content.”

[MWH]

This. And yet, look at the insane number of mislead commenters.

[william_cade]

I knew it. At least they are being honest about it.

[jakmeup123]

No reason to buy Xbox if you have a pc.All the exclusives released on pc. I really wanted to buy one but i don't give a shit about halo anyways that Shits boring as hell.

[FanboyPolice]

I love the fact that they are doing this and with that, Game Pass, Play Anywhere and the bringing exclusives to PC like the Master Chief collection (as well having it available on Steam), makes me think of Xbox as a much more consumer friendly that its counterpart. Don't get me wrong. PlayStation usually have the games, but the friendly and pro-consumer approach of Xbox is really growing on me. All my life I have owned a PlayStation, whatever main Nintendo console is out (except for Wii and Wii U), and my PC. This is the first time I'm actually sure I will be getting an Xbox. The fat that they were behind in games they also made some bad decisions taking away Halo from PC players and Kinect.. and always online. But those times seems to be over. I'm looking forward to own this console and looking forward for other things. I'm betting my money on it.

[fever]

It just means first-party games will have a lower resolution game available for people who don't want to make the jump yet.

The only time I can remember when this happened before is destiny 1 not dropping last-gen consoles and I was about to say it was a negative thing. Thinking back at Destiny 1 compared to Destiny 2 I don't feel like there was much of a leap regarding gameplay, extra enemies on screen or bigger environments.

Yes, there are going to be drawbacks but I feel like forcing their developers to squeeze extra performance out of the last generation will only help the next generation.

[darkside4125]

Theres only 1 exclusive per year now so who will notice

[Jon61586]

You know that's why I have a job so that I can buy the things that I want. Say for instance both a Ps5 and XSX so that i can have the best of both worlds....

[iplay1up2]

Why is everyone up in arms? The games will looked fantastic on Series X. Xbox One will have games locked at 30 fps no ray tracing and much lower resolution. Series X will be 60 fps or better in 4k with ray tracing, better draw distance and other graphical upgrades.

Look at GTA 5 on 360 after playing it on an Xbox One or PS4 drastically better looking on current gen. Your eyes may bleed!

[BlaqMagiq1]

Not surprised. Not like they would've stacked up to Sony's amazing exclusives anyway.

[3-4-5]

* Want gaming to leap forward, not be held back.

[xXMessiah23Xx]

Microsoft is preparing for the all digital future. Where the games you buy will play under any device capable that is running the Microsoft Ecosystem or XBox Live. Smart idea you even See Sony copying Detroit, Hard Rain Beyon Two Souls all were released on Computer last year. Companies would be stupid not to try to sell mroe copies of their games to the Computer Platform.

[lawgone]

The comments to this misleadingly titled article are so predictable. I will tell you what Sony is good at and that is propaganda. And they don’t even have to pay for it! Their user base does it for them!

[FernDiggidy]

Looks like I'll be buying the PS5 at launch and the Series X in the year 2022 :)

[Emme]

What is the selling argument then for the next Xbox ? Third parties will support current gen at least for 2 more years, I think first parties need to take immediate advantage of the new hardware, otherwise it will be like Xbox One X: nice upgrade with 4K patches and stuff, but who actually bought one compared to PS (pro) ?

[bestofthebest]

Ps5 it is

[Smokehouse]

Neither, it’s just a different approach. It’s a solid plan and it could turn out in unexpected ways. Like the popularity of gamepass actually selling more games. That surprised me.

[FyBy]

MS is only afraid of loosing customers. So they say "keep your xboxes, it doesnt matter anyway". Really great!